1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[Eurasian Hegemony]

You know he could become great but he hasn't tried to expand eastward like anyone has said. He has gone as far north and west as he can but still refuses to expand into persia,

I will, as soon as we catch that Pirate Captain, and I get rid of the traitors.

By traitors do you mean the western nations? because that is ridiculous and you are in effect shooting yourself in the foot.

[Tracian Empire]

I will, as soon as we catch that Pirate Captain, and I get rid of the traitors.

By traitors do you mean the western nations? because that is ridiculous and you are in effect shooting yourself in the foot.

No. In the event, apparently there are people inside my armed forces and probably the military administration, that are working for the pirates. I'm hesitanting to start an attack over such a big desertic piece of land with a thorn in my side.

[Eurasian Hegemony]

By traitors do you mean the western nations? because that is ridiculous and you are in effect shooting yourself in the foot.

No. In the event, apparently there are people inside my armed forces and probably the military administration, that are working for the pirates. I'm hesitanting to start an attack over such a big desertic piece of land with a thorn in my side.

Now I understand and that is a good plan, sorry for the confusion

[Tracian Empire]

No. In the event, apparently there are people inside my armed forces and probably the military administration, that are working for the pirates. I'm hesitanting to start an attack over such a big desertic piece of land with a thorn in my side.

Now I understand and that is a good plan, sorry for the confusion

Don't worry.

Also, sorry, I promise I will post tomorrow so that we can end the conference and start some pirate hunting.

[Eurasian Hegemony]

Now I understand and that is a good plan, sorry for the confusion

Don't worry.

Also, sorry, I promise I will post tomorrow so that we can end the conference and start some pirate hunting.

great i also need to work on a post about my fighting the red sea scum and the sicily situation but i need oscal to tell me what the prisoners would say after I raided their mountain camp for a clue to find the saint.

[Novacom]

If Rome were so great it wouldn't matter, instead you alternate between grandstanding and moaning when you could be doing something to strengthen yourself or weaken your enemies, the True Rome boasted little about it's glory it didn't need to, it simply was, it also used more than brute force to achieve it's ends, oh how Octavian would weep...

I think that you are making a big confusion between the jokes I make on the OOC and the IC situation. The Imperium is strengthening its forces. I got a part of Egypt and a part of Libya. After the pirates will burn, I will take Syria and Mesopotamia. I'm actively working to expand my influence. Don't underestimate the Roman Empire, young Aztec.

It's more the OOC jokes are no longer funny, you can only eat faeces and owl pellets before it ceases becoming funny and you acquire a taste for them...

[Tracian Empire]

I think that you are making a big confusion between the jokes I make on the OOC and the IC situation. The Imperium is strengthening its forces. I got a part of Egypt and a part of Libya. After the pirates will burn, I will take Syria and Mesopotamia. I'm actively working to expand my influence. Don't underestimate the Roman Empire, young Aztec.

It's more the OOC jokes are no longer funny, you can only eat faeces and owl pellets before it ceases becoming funny and you acquire a taste for them...

Do you really have something against everyone around here? If you don't like them, don't read them. This isn't your thread.

[Novacom]

It's more the OOC jokes are no longer funny, you can only eat faeces and owl pellets before it ceases becoming funny and you acquire a taste for them...

Do you really have something against everyone around here? If you don't like them, don't read them. This isn't your thread.

I don't have something against anybody here, but I'm not the only one who has said the OOC bluster is wearing thin.

[Eurasian Hegemony]

can someone remind oscal about my guidance?

[Second Helghan Empire]

Guidance Name : The Rise of Orthodoxy
Guidance Description :

Everything begun in 917. With the Roman victories in the Battle of Achelous and the Battle of Katasyrtai, the Bulgarian Archbishop was raised to the rank of Patriarch, but the Bulgarian Orthodox Church remained an autonomous church under the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.

The strengthened Roman influence in the Balkans led to the fact that the Serbian Archbishop was also raised to the rank of Patriarch in 1219, but the Serbian Orthodox Church remained an autonomous church under the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.

As Constantinople never fell, with the rise of Russia, the Archbishop of Moscow was raised to the rank of Patriarch, but remained under the influence of Constantinople.

Feeling threatened by the pagans in the Northern and Central Europe, and by the Catholic actions the Roman Emperor and the Patriarch of Constantinople called for the 8th Ecumenical Council in Niceea, in 1453. The Ecumenical Council led to:


-The strengthening of the power and influence of the Ecumenical Patriarch in the Orthodox Church. The Ecumenical Patriarch became the leader of the Orthodox Church as "primus inter pares" among all Patriarchs.
-The reorganization of the Orthodox Church in more Patriarchates, all autonomous under the rule of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, as it will be seen below.
- The strengthening of the Orthodox influence in the world, and the expansion of the religion. Orthodox minorities exist all around the world.

Name:The Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople
Leader: His Most Divine All-Holiness the Archbishop of Constantinople, New Rome and Ecumenical Patriarch of the Orthodox Church
Area: the territories of the Roman Empire, Southern Italy and Sicily

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Name:The Patriarchate of Antioch
Leader: His Holiness, Patriarch of Antioch and all the East
Area: Syria, Mesopotamia, Persia

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Name:The Patriarchate of Jerusalem
Leader: His Holiness, Patriarch of the Holy City of Jerusalem and all Israel, beyond the Jordan River, Cana of Galilee, Arabia and Holy Zion
Area:Israel, the Arabian Peninsula

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Name:The Patriarchate of Alexandria and all Africa
Leader:His Divine Beatitude the Pope and Patriarch of the Great City of Alexandria, Libya, Pentapolis, Ethiopia, All Egypt and All Africa, Father of Fathers, Pastor of Pastors, Prelate of Prelates, the Thirteenth of the Apostles and Judge of the Ecumene.
Area:Africa

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Name: The Patriarchate of the Southern Slavs
Leader: His Holiness, the Archbishop of Sofia and Belgrade, Patriarch of all the Southern Slavs
Area: Slavic areas in the Balkans, Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia

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Name: The Patriarchate of the Romanians
Leader: His Holiness, the Archbishop of Wallachia, Moldova and Transylvania, and Patriarch of all the Romanians
Area: Modern day Romania and the Russian Duchy of Moldova

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Name: The Patriarchate of Taurica
Leader: His Holiness, the Archbishop of Cherson, Patriarch of Taurica and the Taurican Egypt
Area: Crimea and the Taurican Egypt

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Name:The Patriarchate of Russia and all the Eastern Slavs
Leader:His Holiness, Archbishop of Moscow, Patriarch of Russia and all the Eastern Slavs
Area:Russia, Ukraine,the Baltic States

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Name:The Patriarchate of all the Western Slavs
Leader:His Holiness, Archbishop of Warsaw, Prague and Bratislava, Patriarch of all the Western Slavs
Area:Poland, Bohemia, Moravia

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Name:The Patriarchate of Austrasia and Hungary
Leader:His Holiness, Archbishop of Vienna and Budapest, Patriarch of Austrasia and Hungary
Area:Austrasia, Hungary

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Name:The Patriarchate of all Germans
Leader:His Holiness, Archbishop of Berlin and Hamburg, Patriarch of all Germans
Area:Hansa

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Name:The Patriarchate of France
Leader:His Holiness, Archbishop of Paris and Patriarch of France
Area:France

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Name:The Patriarchate of Italy
Leader:His Holiness, Archbishop of Ravenna and Patriarch of all Italians and Swiss People.
Area:Italy and Switzerland

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Name:The Patriarchate of Iberia
Leader:His Holiness, Archbishop of Madrid, Barcelona and Lisbon, Patriarch of Iberia
Area:the Iberian Peninsula

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Name:The Patriarchate of the Americas
Leader:His Holiness, Archbishop of New York, Patriarch of the Americas
Area:the Americas

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Affected Area : Global, except for the isolationist Aztecs.

Guidance Name : The Friendship of the Abrahamic Religions
Guidance Description : The First crusade never went further than helping the romans defend against the Turks. As they didn't expand to the holy land and establish states the middle east never experienced as terrible of war as the IRL crusades. The Second Crusade was actually just supporting the Jewish state if Israel when it was attacked by Muslim forces. The Knights templar was created and more brutal crusades did occur. However they were launched north instead of south and brought christianization to most of the German and nordic peoples rather quickly. Not until the ninth crusade did the Catholic nations return to the East. In fact this time it wasn't even against Muslims but against the orthodox church in Romanum in an attempt by the Pope to unify the church. The tenth and eleventh crusades were used to atttempt to bring the protestants back into the catholic church.
At the end of the medieval era trade and communication with the Islamic nations in the middle east led to a, while somewhat strained, a good relationship. The Spanish Reconquest never occurred due to the Pope certain that the Franks could stop the Muslim advance in the Pyrenees which turned out to be correct.
The lack of butchering either religion's people for the sake of religion never occurred and and so Islam, Christianity, and Judaism have become rather more focused on the peaceful elements of scripture rather than the warlike parts.
Affected Area : Europe, Africa, MIddle East, Central Asia

I think these are it so I will inform oscalantine of the two I can remember, any I missed?

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Familia Romana:
Papa Rome
Brother Italia
Sister France
Brittany(me!)(apparently a girl)
Cousin Visgoths(like a blend of Roman and whatever that other things called)
Brother Cambria
Cousin Belgium
Cousin Austrasia
Little Brother Taurica(traitor)
(Adopted) Brother Israel(cause they already existed)

[Arenumberg]

I'm so insulted right now.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Familia Romana:
Papa Rome
Brother Italia
Sister France
Brittany(me!)(apparently a girl)
Cousin Visgoths(like a blend of Roman and whatever that other things called)
Brother Cambria
Cousin Belgium
Cousin Austrasia
Little Brother Taurica(traitor)
(Adopted) Brother Israel(cause they already existed)

HAHA that is great

[Tracian Empire]

Familia Romana:
Papa Rome
Brother Italia
Sister France
Brittany(me!)(apparently a girl)
Cousin Visgoths(like a blend of Roman and whatever that other things called)
Brother Cambria
Cousin Belgium
Cousin Austrasia
Little Brother Taurica(traitor)
(Adopted) Brother Israel(cause they already existed)

HAHA that is great

You also have to add Arenumberg's Roman colony. The guy who ran away from home.

[Sicilia-Italia]

Hope I'm not too late for this!

Full Nation Name : Kingdom of Spain
Majority/Official Culture : Iberian/Aragoneese/Catalan [[What your people identify themselves with… French, Chinese, Iroquois, Touareg, etc.]]
Territorial Core : Iberia except parts claimed by Brittany [[place where you have absolute control over]]
Territorial Claim : Morocco [[OPTIONAL]] [[region NOT your core where your nation’s ambition lies]]
Capital City : Madrid [[Its IRL location and name]]
Population : 7.5 Million

Government Type : Constitutional Monarchy [[Monarchy, Republic, etc.]]
Government Ideology/Policies : Imperialist, militant [[OPTIONAL]] [[Militant, Imperialist, Expansionist, etc.]]
Government Focus : After a bloody unification war, holding legitimacy in areas far from Madrid such as Barcelona and Granada is an immediate part of the governments focus. Growing a backward Spanish economy is also important in order to compete with the rest of Europe. [[Tell me a little bit about what is your government’s focus… be it military, economy, culture, legitimacy, etc.]]
Head of State : King Alfonso I [[highest-ranking individual in the nation according to rule of law]]
Head of Government : Xavier Bosque [[highest-ranking defacto ruler]]
Government Description : A right-leaning government elected by universal suffrage but nor recognised in Catalunya by Nationalists. Committed to expanding Spain's prestige in the world through colonisation.

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholicism [[OPTIONAL]] [[It does not have to be IRL religion]]
Religious Description : As dictated by the Pope in Rome [[OPTIONAL]]

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism [[Capitalism, Mercantilism, Socialism, Communism, etc.]]
Major Production : Rebuilding in major cities such as Barcelona and Madrid. New world class ports in Barcelona and Lisbon.
Economic Description : Poorer than most of Europe due to a late unification although technology is known to the Spanish.

Army Strength : open battles
Army Weakness : Attacks in compact cities
Naval Strength : trade, convoying troops
Naval Weakness : naval battles
Further Military Description : limited strength due to a protracted civil war [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals : A strong, powerful state for the Spanish people (similar to Garibaldi's Italy)
National Issues : Situation of Galicia and Morocco, economic and military developments. [[what needs to be fixed in order for your nation to achieve its true potential]]
National Figures of Interest : King Alfonso, Xavier Basque [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : A Spanish colonial superpower similar to Britian/France etc [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]]

History : Prehistory to C.200 - stone-to-bronze-Iron Age tribes and eventually small city states.

200-400 - introduction of Christianity, increase in wars between city states, dynasty's begin to form

400-1000 - Muslim conquerors invade from North Africa and gradually establish control over Iberian Peninsula.

1000-1100 - in a crusades-style war led by the papacy, Spain and Portugal is captured by Christian forces

1100-1300 - France establishes hegemony over the peninsula and a dynasty offshoot takes office in Madrid.

1300-1400 - gradual revolts against French rule ends in the Capitulation of Catalunya, all of Spain independent in six states (Portugal, Galicia, Basque Country, Aragon, Andalucia, Catalunya).

1400-1750 - each of these states comes under the influence of a European power and proxy wars are common, ends with Galicia becoming part of Brittany.

1750-1850 - a unification war led from a succession of Aragonesse Kings in Madrid eventually under the leadership of Xavier Basque the entirety of Spain except Galicia comes under spainish control for the first ever time. [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]

Comparison Points – Political : 2 [[How much national focus is gone into administrating the government, i.e. espionage, royal marriages, counter-intelligence, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 0 [[How much national focus is gone into religious and or cultural aspects, i.e. asking for excommunication, call for crusade, soviet revolution in other nations, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Economy : 5 [[How much national focus is gone into economic matters, i.e. embargo/blockade efficiency, lasting through war of attrition, simply feeding your people better, etc.]]
Comparison Points – Military : 3 [[How much national focus is gone into military, i.e. discipline, morale, better tacticians/generals, etc.]]
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : /10

[Eurasian Hegemony]

Familia Romana:
Papa Rome
Brother Italia
Sister France
Brittany(me!)(apparently a girl)
Cousin Visgoths(like a blend of Roman and whatever that other things called)
Brother Cambria
Cousin Belgium
Cousin Austrasia
Little Brother Taurica(traitor)
(Adopted) Brother Israel(cause they already existed)

Is okay Brittany is girl because Brittany = Brittney...I know six Brittneys spelling variation of course. So You are My little sister All the countries excluding a minor few live with me and france in the old house that Papa rome used to before he left because he was an abusive drunk.

So the main houses are

West side of the road: Italia and France taking care of Brittany who is an entrepreneur with businesses all over town. ie colonies. Cambria is also there the second oldest brother, really the only one in the west house that attempts to stay in touch with pops.

Our cousin Austrasia also lives here.

In the neighboring house our uncle Visigoth lives sadly all alone, though he seems to be visited by Brittany and France often.

In the East houses Papa Rome lives with little Taurica who was born after Rome moved out, so we don't know him very well. Also over there is the adopted son Russia.

The only person with their own house in the east is Uncle Israel who pretty much ignores everyone and minds his own business.




Hmmm hetalia much?

[Tracian Empire]

Familia Romana:
Papa Rome
Brother Italia
Sister France
Brittany(me!)(apparently a girl)
Cousin Visgoths(like a blend of Roman and whatever that other things called)
Brother Cambria
Cousin Belgium
Cousin Austrasia
Little Brother Taurica(traitor)
(Adopted) Brother Israel(cause they already existed)

Is okay Brittany is girl because Brittany = Brittney...I know six Brittneys spelling variation of course. So You are My little sister All the countries excluding a minor few live with me and france in the old house that Papa rome used to before he left because he was an abusive drunk.

So the main houses are

West side of the road: Italia and France taking care of Brittany who is an entrepreneur with businesses all over town. ie colonies. Cambria is also there the second oldest brother, really the only one in the west house that attempts to stay in touch with pops.

Our cousin Austrasia also lives here.

In the neighboring house our uncle Visigoth lives sadly all alone, though he seems to be visited by Brittany and France often.

In the East houses Papa Rome lives with little Taurica who was born after Rome moved out, so we don't know him very well. Also over there is the adopted son Russia.

The only person with their own house in the east is Uncle Israel who pretty much ignores everyone and minds his own business.




Hmmm hetalia much?

Hetalia! Rome still looks like the Ancient Rome from Hetalia, albeit a little older right now.

Rome started to have fights with the barbarians, and because he started to lose, he entered a depression. He started to drink, and to hang out with some of the barbarians, including Germania.

One day, Rome left his home drunk, mumbling his usual Roma Invicta, together with Uncle Germania. The barbarians attacked again, and Germania helped them. Papa Rome was beaten and ran in the East.

[Kosovo12345]

Adopted son russia? what is going on here?

[Tracian Empire]

Adopted son russia? what is going on here?

Wait until we get there. We're only at the fall of the WRE.

[Tracian Empire]

After being kicked out of his house by barbarians, Papa Rome crashed in the house of Lady Greece. This is how Taurica eventually appeared.
Despite being weakened, he tried to help his children. He helped Italia to gain independence, but when he was fighting the Arabs in the East, Italia went through a rebellious phase and became Christendom, stabbing his father in the back.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Familia Romana:
Papa Rome
Brother Italia
Sister France
Brittany(me!)(apparently a girl)
Cousin Visgoths(like a blend of Roman and whatever that other things called)
Brother Cambria
Cousin Belgium
Cousin Austrasia
Little Brother Taurica(traitor)
(Adopted) Brother Israel(cause they already existed)

Is okay Brittany is girl because Brittany = Brittney...I know six Brittneys spelling variation of course. So You are My little sister All the countries excluding a minor few live with me and france in the old house that Papa rome used to before he left because he was an abusive drunk.

So the main houses are

West side of the road: Italia and France taking care of Brittany who is an entrepreneur with businesses all over town. ie colonies. Cambria is also there the second oldest brother, really the only one in the west house that attempts to stay in touch with pops.

Our cousin Austrasia also lives here.

In the neighboring house our uncle Visigoth lives sadly all alone, though he seems to be visited by Brittany and France often.

In the East houses Papa Rome lives with little Taurica who was born after Rome moved out, so we don't know him very well. Also over there is the adopted son Russia.

The only person with their own house in the east is Uncle Israel who pretty much ignores everyone and minds his own business.




Hmmm hetalia much?

Someone needs to make a RP with all the countries from this RP as people. Hetalia 1850 AD(Alternate Divergences)

[Neo Philippine Empire]

Full Nation Name : The Greater Spanish Empire
Majority/Official Culture : Spanish
Territorial Core : Spain and Portugal
Territorial Claim : Morocco and All Non-Occupied parts of South America and Western America
Capital City :Madrid
Population : 10 to 20 Million?

Government Type : Absolute Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies :Carlist
Government Focus : Conquest
Head of State : Carlos V
Head of Government : Carlos V
Government Description : Absolute monarchy or absolutism is a monarchical form of government in which the monarch has absolute power among his or her people. An absolute monarch wields unrestricted political power over the sovereign state and its people.

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholic
Religious Description : You know it

Economic Ideologies : State Capitalism
Major Production : Gold
Economic Description : State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, where the means of production are organized and managed as business enterprises, including the processes of capital accumulation, wage labor, and centralized management.

Army Strength : Relatively Good Army
Army Weakness : Not as Technologically advanced as the French and British army
Naval Strength : The Cream of the Crop of the Empire
Naval Weakness : It is when Airplanes will be make full use of
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals : God, Gold and Glory
National Issues : Increase Literacy
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]]

WIP
History : I am currently making one but it how we became from Lib'ral Spain to Carlist can be explained here
Just the 1st page though
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/dios-patria-rey-a-carlist-spain-aar.493390/

Comparison Points – Political :2
[b]Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 4
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

[Fridur]

Can I get a map?

[Wasp Town]

Familia Romana:
Papa Rome
Brother Italia
Sister France
Brittany(me!)(apparently a girl)
Cousin Visgoths(like a blend of Roman and whatever that other things called)
Brother Cambria
Cousin Belgium
Cousin Austrasia
Little Brother Taurica(traitor)
(Adopted) Brother Israel(cause they already existed)

Is okay Brittany is girl because Brittany = Brittney...I know six Brittneys spelling variation of course. So You are My little sister All the countries excluding a minor few live with me and france in the old house that Papa rome used to before he left because he was an abusive drunk.

So the main houses are

West side of the road: Italia and France taking care of Brittany who is an entrepreneur with businesses all over town. ie colonies. Cambria is also there the second oldest brother, really the only one in the west house that attempts to stay in touch with pops.

Our cousin Austrasia also lives here.

In the neighboring house our uncle Visigoth lives sadly all alone, though he seems to be visited by Brittany and France often.

In the East houses Papa Rome lives with little Taurica who was born after Rome moved out, so we don't know him very well. Also over there is the adopted son Russia.

The only person with their own house in the east is Uncle Israel who pretty much ignores everyone and minds his own business.




Hmmm hetalia much?

Poor old Visigoths. So alone.
Inheriting the warlike nature of his mother Gothica and the greed of Papa Rome hasn't made him very likeable, and being born due to Papa Rome getting drunk and knocking up the bipolar Gothica has done little for his self esteem.
Now he lives in a decrepit old house that is falling apart around him, and though he gets visits from Brittany and France the fact that they are taking all of the furniture in some of his rooms ain't so cool.
Secretly he dreams of killing everyone else and taking their houses, cos' he inherited the mental issues from Mama Gothica.

[Wasp Town]

Full Nation Name : The Greater Spanish Empire
Majority/Official Culture : Spanish
Territorial Core : Spain and Portugal
Territorial Claim : Morocco and All Non-Occupied parts of South America and Western America
Capital City :Madrid
Population : 10 to 20 Million?

Government Type : Absolute Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies :Carlist
Government Focus : Conquest
Head of State : Carlos V
Head of Government : Carlos V
Government Description : Absolute monarchy or absolutism is a monarchical form of government in which the monarch has absolute power among his or her people. An absolute monarch wields unrestricted political power over the sovereign state and its people.

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholic
Religious Description : You know it

Economic Ideologies : State Capitalism
Major Production : Gold
Economic Description : State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, where the means of production are organized and managed as business enterprises, including the processes of capital accumulation, wage labor, and centralized management.

Army Strength : Relatively Good Army
Army Weakness : Not as Technologically advanced as the French and British army
Naval Strength : The Cream of the Crop of the Empire
Naval Weakness : It is when Airplanes will be make full use of
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals : God, Gold and Glory
National Issues : Increase Literacy
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]]

WIP
History : I am currently making one but it how we became from Lib'ral Spain to Carlist can be explained here
Just the 1st page though
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/dios-patria-rey-a-carlist-spain-aar.493390/

Comparison Points – Political :2
[b]Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 4
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

Sorry, but me, France and Brittany already own all of your claimed land other than your american colonies.