1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[The Commonwealth of the South Pacific]

If I made an app could I join?

[Oscalantine]

[Map v. 2.6_DRAFT]

Guys, I am going to do something a bit different.

I will post draft here. Look at it, let me know if there are ANYTHING I missed. Afterwards, TG me or OOC me (probably TG for better results XDDD) and I'll make the map official at 12 am my time... hopefully (that's 12 noon in your time).

-Well, it's probably my fault, but that northern part of Serbia that was blank at the beginning should belong to Austria. I never sent any troops there in order not to provoke a new war.

That would be it. I will post today. Also, I would like to ask something. From what I know, these are the territories I have under my control in Egypt, even if it will take a while for them to be completely accepted. Are they okay? I left the two disputed territories in white since I can't do anything with the AEGIS helping Christendom.

http://imgur.com/k8IIVKP

Sure. Just post one colonizing post a day and I'll keep on updating the map. Remember: you have to make a claim post once per day ^^

[Tracian Empire]

-Well, it's probably my fault, but that northern part of Serbia that was blank at the beginning should belong to Austria. I never sent any troops there in order not to provoke a new war.

That would be it. I will post today. Also, I would like to ask something. From what I know, these are the territories I have under my control in Egypt, even if it will take a while for them to be completely accepted. Are they okay? I left the two disputed territories in white since I can't do anything with the AEGIS helping Christendom.

http://imgur.com/k8IIVKP

Sure. Just post one colonizing post a day and I'll keep on updating the map. Remember: you have to make a claim post once per day ^^

Alright, thanks! Also, I have a small question. Looking at the map, it seems that a part of the Neo-Akkadian Empire is black. So if I will attack it, will I fight pirates? Both on sea and land?

[The Commonwealth of the South Pacific]

Would a Livonian/ Teutonic Order nation be ok?

[Of the Quendi]

[Map v. 2.6_DRAFT]

Guys, I am going to do something a bit different.

I will post draft here. Look at it, let me know if there are ANYTHING I missed. Afterwards, TG me or OOC me (probably TG for better results XDDD) and I'll make the map official at 12 am my time... hopefully (that's 12 noon in your time).

I colonized Halmahera just before the pirate update but the island is painted as pirate territory. Also I have colonized São Tomé and Príncipe.

Also why did you move French Guiana from RL Guyana? Is the French player okay with that? I would like to know since I have some designs on the region.

[Oscalantine]

[Map v. 2.6_DRAFT]

Guys, I am going to do something a bit different.

I will post draft here. Look at it, let me know if there are ANYTHING I missed. Afterwards, TG me or OOC me (probably TG for better results XDDD) and I'll make the map official at 12 am my time... hopefully (that's 12 noon in your time).

I colonized Halmahera just before the pirate update but the island is painted as pirate territory. Also I have colonized São Tomé and Príncipe.

Also why did you move French Guiana from RL Guyana? Is the French player okay with that? I would like to know since I have some designs on the region.

Crap. I gave you the wrong island. they looked the same for some reason XDD. I'll edit that out and put back in Halmahera straight away.

São Tomé and Príncipe. Got it. I'll edit that in.

Lenyo requested it. I am guessing that I botched it up, and Lenyo only now thought to expand there only to find his territory wrongly placed. I guess that's what happens with an empire that is stretched to every corner XDDD.

[Cabana]

So what would an Islamic Cuba look like?

Given the Andalusian's settled it I would hope there would be a name oriented toward Andalusian language, and culture. Saying this because of the fact certain interest are preparing to subjugate the free peoples of a certain island.

Name would be Kuba (كوبا)

[Oscalantine]

Would a Livonian/ Teutonic Order nation be ok?

Hmmm... could you TG Kosovo12345 ? Technically he doesn't have that land anymore, since he isn't Kenny.

I would say that it is fine, but I wanted to make sure. Technically previous Russia (now gone and new Russia came in) had it as a vassal. However, Kosovo's reserve doesn't leave Russian proper, making you eligible for that land. Just be sure and let me know how it ends up ^^

[Oscalantine]

So what would an Islamic Cuba look like?

Given the Andalusian's settled it I would hope there would be a name oriented toward Andalusian language, and culture. Saying this because of the fact certain interest are preparing to subjugate the free peoples of a certain island.

Name would be Kuba (كوبا)

Technically, Andalusia left, so it would be IRL history... making it still Spanish colonial region that is now very autonomous.

[Oscalantine]

Sure. Just post one colonizing post a day and I'll keep on updating the map. Remember: you have to make a claim post once per day ^^

Alright, thanks! Also, I have a small question. Looking at the map, it seems that a part of the Neo-Akkadian Empire is black. So if I will attack it, will I fight pirates? Both on sea and land?

Yes. And pirates will actively attack your southern borders as well if you don't do anything about it. It is both a good thing and a bad thing, since event-invasion would mean that you can expand faster, but you can also be stretched thin and end up losing lands due to troop exhaustion. You may need to prepare beforehand and let me know how the fortification level goes in the border regions ^^

[Cabana]

Name would be Kuba (كوبا)

Technically, Andalusia left, so it would be IRL history... making it still Spanish colonial region that is now very autonomous.

oh

[Tracian Empire]

Alright, thanks! Also, I have a small question. Looking at the map, it seems that a part of the Neo-Akkadian Empire is black. So if I will attack it, will I fight pirates? Both on sea and land?

Yes. And pirates will actively attack your southern borders as well if you don't do anything about it. It is both a good thing and a bad thing, since event-invasion would mean that you can expand faster, but you can also be stretched thin and end up losing lands due to troop exhaustion. You may need to prepare beforehand and let me know how the fortification level goes in the border regions ^^

Considering that I have been at war constantly with the Neo-Akkadian Empire for the past centuries, and none of us managed to gain the advantage, I would say that at least my border is heavily fortified. And of course, if I will manage to force the pirates into one big fight, I will probably win.

[Of the Quendi]

Crap. I gave you the wrong island. they looked the same for some reason XDD. I'll edit that out and put back in Halmahera straight away.

São Tomé and Príncipe. Got it. I'll edit that in.

Lenyo requested it. I am guessing that I botched it up, and Lenyo only now thought to expand there only to find his territory wrongly placed. I guess that's what happens with an empire that is stretched to every corner XDDD.

You have given me an island?

Well I am much more happy with France having French Guiana then Guyana so thats nice to hear.

Technically, Andalusia left, so it would be IRL history... making it still Spanish colonial region that is now very autonomous.

Oh right. So I guess now there exist an NPC Portuguese Empire that rules all those small colonies I am trying to gobble up and can dispute my claim to be the successor to Portugal. Damn.

Well at least now people can't sweep in and take the colonies I want without hashing it out with Portugal I guess.

[Oscalantine]

Yes. And pirates will actively attack your southern borders as well if you don't do anything about it. It is both a good thing and a bad thing, since event-invasion would mean that you can expand faster, but you can also be stretched thin and end up losing lands due to troop exhaustion. You may need to prepare beforehand and let me know how the fortification level goes in the border regions ^^

Considering that I have been at war constantly with the Neo-Akkadian Empire for the past centuries, and none of us managed to gain the advantage, I would say that at least my border is heavily fortified. And of course, if I will manage to force the pirates into one big fight, I will probably win.

The only problem that I can forsee is that you will be very much stretched thin between your own borders, Egypt, and naval battles. I understand that Battle of Pyramids essentially ended your war with Mamulks, but I am sure that your soldiers and subjugators still need supplies to keep expanding. Rampant and violent piracy in the sea will make that expansion difficult, preventing further expansion at times until pirate problem is solved. In addition, you will also have your own border skirmish and full-on conquest of the region.

You, Brazil, and myself is probably going to be the worst and the best players in this event. We all have to juggle billion different things, but we have a lot to gain. But we also have a lot to lose at the end of the day.

You specifically would need to fight off the new Pirate "king" in the region... although that will not end the rampancy. At least with the strongest pirate out of the way, you will have better time colonizing Egypt. His location will most likely change often, so always keep posted on the exact locations.

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Since I DID say Brazil... Brazil has a lot to lose and a lot to gain as well. This isn't necessarily as much as a problem with event as much as your close proximity of your lands to the event region. Caribbean and Spice Islands both have similar situation of thousands of pirates all claiming the throne, so it is quite an uphill battle to fight both regions. Most likely the best scenario will be to focus on grabbing a lot of land in one region while allying to prevent pirate invasion in another, but I don't think you need me to understand what's at stake here and how to get away with landgrabs ^^

Korea... let me just put it out there that Dutch is making my life miserable with wanting the Pirate Queen hanged or sentenced. That will put hamper in the plans... luckily, Dutch doesn't seem to be willing to side with the pirates but attack the pirates instead, so it will at least be a good playing field. I need to focus a lot and post a lot to compete for the Spice Islands, which I hope I will end up coming out on top ^^

... apart from the three that I mentioned... I suppose American Commonwealth and Louisiana also have big stakes at the prize. It is the fudging Caribbean, after all, and controlling that area that has been locked for so long has GOT to be tempting.

I also think that France has same problem as Brazil, but France doesn't have to worry nearly as much due to remoteness. There really isn't a need for France to actively defend territories unless they want a piece of the lands in the event region.

... that's all I can come up with. Others, like STTR and Dutch... are also a powerful contender for the landgrab. I am really looking forward to the event staring up!!

[Tracian Empire]

Considering that I have been at war constantly with the Neo-Akkadian Empire for the past centuries, and none of us managed to gain the advantage, I would say that at least my border is heavily fortified. And of course, if I will manage to force the pirates into one big fight, I will probably win.

The only problem that I can forsee is that you will be very much stretched thin between your own borders, Egypt, and naval battles. I understand that Battle of Pyramids essentially ended your war with Mamulks, but I am sure that your soldiers and subjugators still need supplies to keep expanding. Rampant and violent piracy in the sea will make that expansion difficult, preventing further expansion at times until pirate problem is solved. In addition, you will also have your own border skirmish and full-on conquest of the region.

You, Brazil, and myself is probably going to be the worst and the best players in this event. We all have to juggle billion different things, but we have a lot to gain. But we also have a lot to lose at the end of the day.

You specifically would need to fight off the new Pirate "king" in the region... although that will not end the rampancy. At least with the strongest pirate out of the way, you will have better time colonizing Egypt. His location will most likely change often, so always keep posted on the exact locations.

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Since I DID say Brazil... Brazil has a lot to lose and a lot to gain as well. This isn't necessarily as much as a problem with event as much as your close proximity of your lands to the event region. Caribbean and Spice Islands both have similar situation of thousands of pirates all claiming the throne, so it is quite an uphill battle to fight both regions. Most likely the best scenario will be to focus on grabbing a lot of land in one region while allying to prevent pirate invasion in another, but I don't think you need me to understand what's at stake here and how to get away with landgrabs ^^

Korea... let me just put it out there that Dutch is making my life miserable with wanting the Pirate Queen hanged or sentenced. That will put hamper in the plans... luckily, Dutch doesn't seem to be willing to side with the pirates but attack the pirates instead, so it will at least be a good playing field. I need to focus a lot and post a lot to compete for the Spice Islands, which I hope I will end up coming out on top ^^

... apart from the three that I mentioned... I suppose American Commonwealth and Louisiana also have big stakes at the prize. It is the fudging Caribbean, after all, and controlling that area that has been locked for so long has GOT to be tempting.

I also think that France has same problem as Brazil, but France doesn't have to worry nearly as much due to remoteness. There really isn't a need for France to actively defend territories unless they want a piece of the lands in the event region.

... that's all I can come up with. Others, like STTR and Dutch... are also a powerful contender for the landgrab. I am really looking forward to the event staring up!!

Well, then, destroying the pirates will become a priority. In order to do that, I will probably have to move forces from my Black Sea fleet, and accelerate the production of more Roman Fire. I will probably attack on land only after successfully securing Egypt.

[Of the Quendi]

Since I DID say Brazil... Brazil has a lot to lose and a lot to gain as well. This isn't necessarily as much as a problem with event as much as your close proximity of your lands to the event region. Caribbean and Spice Islands both have similar situation of thousands of pirates all claiming the throne, so it is quite an uphill battle to fight both regions. Most likely the best scenario will be to focus on grabbing a lot of land in one region while allying to prevent pirate invasion in another, but I don't think you need me to understand what's at stake here and how to get away with landgrabs ^^

Korea... let me just put it out there that Dutch is making my life miserable with wanting the Pirate Queen hanged or sentenced. That will put hamper in the plans... luckily, Dutch doesn't seem to be willing to side with the pirates but attack the pirates instead, so it will at least be a good playing field. I need to focus a lot and post a lot to compete for the Spice Islands, which I hope I will end up coming out on top ^^

Brazil has nothing at stake in the Caribbean and its only interest in the region is to make sure that the countries of it isn't colonized by Europeans. If Brazil wouldn't hang on the spot any pirate it comes across the pirates of the Caribbean might have very well allied with Brazil since they presumably want the countries they live in to stay independent.

In the Spice Islands Brazil may have competing claims with the Dutch but it will fully support the Dutch call for the Korean pirate queen to be hung.

[Oscalantine]

Well, then, destroying the pirates will become a priority. In order to do that, I will probably have to move forces from my Black Sea fleet, and accelerate the production of more Roman Fire. I will probably attack on land only after successfully securing Egypt.

For intents and purposes... mechanical-wise Mamulks cannot attack you. However, Pirates would be able to actively attack and control your territories. So... it may actually be to your benefit to take care of pirates first. What I am afraid of is that your supply lines in the colonies may be shut down, forcing you to lose your coastal Egypt area and need to re-invade the region. I probably won't be THAT much of a jerk... but heck, I think it would be fun nonetheless ^^

Speaking of... I may need more co-OPs for event. Are anyone not interested in the event as a whole that would like to moderate the posts and make an invasion post by pirates, etc?

[Old Tyrannia]

[Map v. 2.6_DRAFT]

Guys, I am going to do something a bit different.

I will post draft here. Look at it, let me know if there are ANYTHING I missed. Afterwards, TG me or OOC me (probably TG for better results XDDD) and I'll make the map official at 12 am my time... hopefully (that's 12 noon in your time).

You still have Mecca and Medina under pirate rule.

[Oscalantine]

Since I DID say Brazil... Brazil has a lot to lose and a lot to gain as well. This isn't necessarily as much as a problem with event as much as your close proximity of your lands to the event region. Caribbean and Spice Islands both have similar situation of thousands of pirates all claiming the throne, so it is quite an uphill battle to fight both regions. Most likely the best scenario will be to focus on grabbing a lot of land in one region while allying to prevent pirate invasion in another, but I don't think you need me to understand what's at stake here and how to get away with landgrabs ^^

Korea... let me just put it out there that Dutch is making my life miserable with wanting the Pirate Queen hanged or sentenced. That will put hamper in the plans... luckily, Dutch doesn't seem to be willing to side with the pirates but attack the pirates instead, so it will at least be a good playing field. I need to focus a lot and post a lot to compete for the Spice Islands, which I hope I will end up coming out on top ^^

Brazil has nothing at stake in the Caribbean and its only interest in the region is to make sure that the countries of it isn't colonized by Europeans. If Brazil wouldn't hang on the spot any pirate it comes across the pirates of the Caribbean might have very well allied with Brazil since they presumably want the countries they live in to stay independent.

In the Spice Islands Brazil may have competing claims with the Dutch but it will fully support the Dutch call for the Korean pirate queen to be hung.

Really? You are wiling to give up Caribbean just to support Dutch claim for pirate queen? That's quite something. I that you would support your own privateer or try to make a deal by being the mediator to claim more territories, not fight a war that has no benefit for you.

Gotta wonder what is your stake in all this. Suppose Korea do have quite a massive territory in the Spice Islands, but you have so many other regions to mess with that I cannot help but wonder why does Brazil have such a beef against Koreans XDDD

[Tracian Empire]

Well, then, destroying the pirates will become a priority. In order to do that, I will probably have to move forces from my Black Sea fleet, and accelerate the production of more Roman Fire. I will probably attack on land only after successfully securing Egypt.

For intents and purposes... mechanical-wise Mamulks cannot attack you. However, Pirates would be able to actively attack and control your territories. So... it may actually be to your benefit to take care of pirates first. What I am afraid of is that your supply lines in the colonies may be shut down, forcing you to lose your coastal Egypt area and need to re-invade the region. I probably won't be THAT much of a jerk... but heck, I think it would be fun nonetheless ^^

Speaking of... I may need more co-OPs for event. Are anyone not interested in the event as a whole that would like to moderate the posts and make an invasion post by pirates, etc?

If they will really force me, I may use the Roman Fire even if I would burn a part of my own fleet. It's better then losing control over the coastal Egypt and abandoning my troops there. That was what caused Napoleon's defeat there.

[Oscalantine]

[Map v. 2.6_DRAFT]

Guys, I am going to do something a bit different.

I will post draft here. Look at it, let me know if there are ANYTHING I missed. Afterwards, TG me or OOC me (probably TG for better results XDDD) and I'll make the map official at 12 am my time... hopefully (that's 12 noon in your time).

You still have Mecca and Medina under pirate rule.

I redrew the borders and put small regions where I thought Medina and Mecca would be. If I was wrong with the territory, then I will have to redraw that ^^;;;

Thought it was a good time to do so. I mean... all other holy regions have their own territory... or at least a small territory which can be easily definable. However, Mecca especially seemed to be out in the middle of nowhere and territory doesn't seem to reflect its importance. Thought it was a good time to try to draw the thing in instead of opening entire lands white.

[Oscalantine]

For intents and purposes... mechanical-wise Mamulks cannot attack you. However, Pirates would be able to actively attack and control your territories. So... it may actually be to your benefit to take care of pirates first. What I am afraid of is that your supply lines in the colonies may be shut down, forcing you to lose your coastal Egypt area and need to re-invade the region. I probably won't be THAT much of a jerk... but heck, I think it would be fun nonetheless ^^

Speaking of... I may need more co-OPs for event. Are anyone not interested in the event as a whole that would like to moderate the posts and make an invasion post by pirates, etc?

If they will really force me, I may use the Roman Fire even if I would burn a part of my own fleet. It's better then losing control over the coastal Egypt and abandoning my troops there. That was what caused Napoleon's defeat there.

Greek Fire actually sounds amazing in this event. So much that I hope that you didn't convert every flamethrower you had into bombs. Since marauding pirates would be trying to board ships, they will be close enough for Greek Fire to be quite effective. I fear for the lives of thousands that I will kill by the end of this event XDDD

[Old Tyrannia]

You still have Mecca and Medina under pirate rule.

I redrew the borders and put small regions where I thought Medina and Mecca would be. If I was wrong with the territory, then I will have to redraw that ^^;;;

Thought it was a good time to do so. I mean... all other holy regions have their own territory... or at least a small territory which can be easily definable. However, Mecca especially seemed to be out in the middle of nowhere and territory doesn't seem to reflect its importance. Thought it was a good time to try to draw the thing in instead of opening entire lands white.

Oh, well, I suppose that's one solution.

Question: does the Golden Khanate still exist as an NPC? Because it has already played an important role in events, so erasing it would be problematic for our continuity...

[Oscalantine]

I redrew the borders and put small regions where I thought Medina and Mecca would be. If I was wrong with the territory, then I will have to redraw that ^^;;;

Thought it was a good time to do so. I mean... all other holy regions have their own territory... or at least a small territory which can be easily definable. However, Mecca especially seemed to be out in the middle of nowhere and territory doesn't seem to reflect its importance. Thought it was a good time to try to draw the thing in instead of opening entire lands white.

Oh, well, I suppose that's one solution.

Question: does the Golden Khanate still exist as an NPC? Because it has already played an important role in events, so erasing it would be problematic for our continuity...

I would say that collapse and warring states area until someone wants the app. It seems to be the best idea for the two of us, and it is also the most likely should a powerful Chinese nation like Golden Khanate collapsed.

Btw, dude. Have you sent the envoy or TG to Korea yet? I was waiting for your post, but I couldn't find them ^^;;;

[Tracian Empire]

If they will really force me, I may use the Roman Fire even if I would burn a part of my own fleet. It's better then losing control over the coastal Egypt and abandoning my troops there. That was what caused Napoleon's defeat there.

Greek Fire actually sounds amazing in this event. So much that I hope that you didn't convert every flamethrower you had into bombs. Since marauding pirates would be trying to board ships, they will be close enough for Greek Fire to be quite effective. I fear for the lives of thousands that I will kill by the end of this event XDDD

I never planned to completely use it only as bombs. Even if I am unsure how to name then, in Greek at least they were siphōn, the Greek Fire projectors are mounted on almost every ship, something like this, even if the picture is from a video game.