1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[Benuty]

Quedi... dude, back off. I love your points, but you are getting into beefs with others almost every day. I need you to be a bit more considerate of others... please ^^;;;

Oh and folks, officially back after 2 days of madness. ANYTHING happened to the map, remind me again and Ill make a triple note of it and put it on the map.


In addition, Spain, Texas, Mexico, Belgium and all her colonies, and China and Mongolia is now open territory. I am making that official on this update.

When did Andalusia resign?

Also 100 pages!

[Lenyo]

New Granadeseret (Andalusia) has been inactive for 11 days, which is a damn shame. His/her posts were superb. Oh well, sunrise, sunset.

[Oscalantine]

Yeee... Unlike others, I TGed him several times. Sadly, he didn't respond to any.

So I am removing him, unfortunately T^T hopefully we will get awesome person in the Iberian region.

Anyhow... posting DRAFT right now. Let me know if I missed any... which I probably did XDDD

[Imperialisium]

Having a bit of writers block right now. So I take it Russia has a new player or NPC?

[Soviet Chernarus]

Having a bit of writers block right now. So I take it Russia has a new player or NPC?

New player, Kosovo12345 is playing it now.

[Oscalantine]

[Map v. 2.6_DRAFT]

Guys, I am going to do something a bit different.

I will post draft here. Look at it, let me know if there are ANYTHING I missed. Afterwards, TG me or OOC me (probably TG for better results XDDD) and I'll make the map official at 12 am my time... hopefully (that's 12 noon in your time).

[Oscalantine]

Having a bit of writers block right now. So I take it Russia has a new player or NPC?

Right... forgot about that... your claim is LEGIT. i'll give you your provinces at the upcoming version... don't remind me, I just changed that in the new version of the map that is not reflected in the draft.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Our RP may have a variant of the Vienna system of international relations. We haven't had a continental war since 1815, just like in RL. Relative international peace has been maintained by the diplomacy of Europe's great powers: UK, France, Germany, Austria, Russia, and the area that will become Italy. In the 19th century Iberia and the Ottomans were excluded from the Concert of Europe, just like in our RP. (Andalusia and Byzantium)

The Vienna system was greatly weakened by the 1848 Revolutionary Wave, the Crimean War (1853–56), and nationalism in the 1860's and 1870's. Looking at all OOC posts, only the French and Taurican apps even mention the 1848 Revolutions. Presumably in our alternative history, 1848 didn't matter nearly as much. So that crisis didn't destabilize Europe. We haven't experienced a Crimean War (yet), and the recent Balkan Crisis didn't fundamentally shift the balance of power in our RP. And of course the 1860's and 1870's haven't happened yet.

Our RP may take place in a timeline when diplomacy was less tense, at least during the 1850's. Our system of diplomacy could completely collapse in the near future, but in the meantime, this RP's Vienna system of international relations is proving very successful.

Oh yes, so I am practically isolated diplomatically from most of Europe. Another reason to create an opposing alliance.

Tracian I want you to know I am the one that got the ball rolling on a trans european alliance. I had originally planned on extending the offer to both you and christendom. However at the last moment I refrained from including you in my idea as you seem too aggressive toward Christendom and I knew this would tear Aegis apart.

Almost immediately as the RP began I was proven right as you have repeatedly stated a desire to invade and conquer rome so I did not nor do I want you to be a member because of this. I fond it curious however as to why you feel so threatened by a defensive and trade pact.

[Eurasian Hegemony]

[Map v. 2.6_DRAFT]

Guys, I am going to do something a bit different.

I will post draft here. Look at it, let me know if there are ANYTHING I missed. Afterwards, TG me or OOC me (probably TG for better results XDDD) and I'll make the map official at 12 am my time... hopefully (that's 12 noon in your time).

That white bit in sudan should be mine good sir.

[Oscalantine]

[Map v. 2.6_DRAFT]

Guys, I am going to do something a bit different.

I will post draft here. Look at it, let me know if there are ANYTHING I missed. Afterwards, TG me or OOC me (probably TG for better results XDDD) and I'll make the map official at 12 am my time... hopefully (that's 12 noon in your time).

That white bit in sudan should be mine good sir.

Right. I'll add that in.

I'll try to post today ^^... but dutch dude, most likely you will not get what you are looking for. Korea has a lucrative deal with pirates, and giving their VIP is NOT within their capabilities XDDD

So... yeah, don't expect any letters back ^^

[Gurland empire]

Brittany I would like to have a colony there but where is it

[Elerian]

[Map v. 2.6_DRAFT]

Guys, I am going to do something a bit different.

I will post draft here. Look at it, let me know if there are ANYTHING I missed. Afterwards, TG me or OOC me (probably TG for better results XDDD) and I'll make the map official at 12 am my time... hopefully (that's 12 noon in your time).

Where'd the Mongolian blob go?

[Oscalantine]

[Map v. 2.6_DRAFT]

Guys, I am going to do something a bit different.

I will post draft here. Look at it, let me know if there are ANYTHING I missed. Afterwards, TG me or OOC me (probably TG for better results XDDD) and I'll make the map official at 12 am my time... hopefully (that's 12 noon in your time).

Where'd the Mongolian blob go?

Sci decided to chicken out XDDD

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Brittany I would like to have a colony there but where is it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser-Wilhelmsland
The area marked as German on the first map is mine, the territory to the south that is labeled as British is where your colony would be. Get ready for a fight though, the island is basically all pirates except for my colony, so we need to clear out the pirates first. Shouldn't be that hard, they are in a perpetual state of civil war, so.

[Gurland empire]

Brittany I would like to have a colony there but where is it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser-Wilhelmsland
The area marked as German on the first map is mine, the territory to the south that is labeled as British is where your colony would be. Get ready for a fight though, the island is basically all pirates except for my colony, so we need to clear out the pirates first. Shouldn't be that hard, they are in a perpetual state of civil war, so.

Sounds good Ima make a small colony on Madagascar as a mid way point so that the trip is more successful and I'm sure we could trick the Pirates even

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser-Wilhelmsland
The area marked as German on the first map is mine, the territory to the south that is labeled as British is where your colony would be. Get ready for a fight though, the island is basically all pirates except for my colony, so we need to clear out the pirates first. Shouldn't be that hard, they are in a perpetual state of civil war, so.

Sounds good Ima make a small colony on Madagascar as a mid way point so that the trip is more successful and I'm sure we could trick the Pirates even

Pirates like money, right? Maybe we can pay some to get out, and if they ask for too much money, we "beat the crap out of ever single one of em!" -said by The Soldier.

[Oscalantine]

Sounds good Ima make a small colony on Madagascar as a mid way point so that the trip is more successful and I'm sure we could trick the Pirates even

Pirates like money, right? Maybe we can pay some to get out, and if they ask for too much money, we "beat the crap out of ever single one of em!" -said by The Soldier.

Always a swell strategy to think about things that way XDDD. Probably the most effective way would be to buy off one pirate, feed him until he can basically boss around everyone else. Regardless, I am really looking forward to this event! ^^

[Gurland empire]

Sounds good Ima make a small colony on Madagascar as a mid way point so that the trip is more successful and I'm sure we could trick the Pirates even

Pirates like money, right? Maybe we can pay some to get out, and if they ask for too much money, we "beat the crap out of ever single one of em!" -said by The Soldier.

Or we could use my Greenland strategy

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Pirates like money, right? Maybe we can pay some to get out, and if they ask for too much money, we "beat the crap out of ever single one of em!" -said by The Soldier.

Or we could use my Greenland strategy

But I'm already attacking pirates in Hispaniola. I'm now Anti-Pirate. How about this, you use your friendly pirate strategy to secure the south of Papua Territory, and I'll launch a full scale invasion of the north of it.

[Gurland empire]

Or we could use my Greenland strategy

But I'm already attacking pirates in Hispaniola. I'm now Anti-Pirate. How about this, you use your friendly pirate strategy to secure the south of Papua Territory, and I'll launch a full scale invasion of the north of it.

Sounds good I'll unite the southern groups and then we'll attack northward and meet in the middle

[Second Helghan Empire]

Since the belgian player is no longer here I will be making a post after a while where i will land colonists around angola/congo area.

Also if all goes well in this pirate event I will end up with some territory in persia and possibly a snippet anywhere in the pacific I can.

I will most likely be stretched very thin so for quite a while after I either bring them (the pirates) to heel or kill them off Hansa presence will be extremely light. Like a collection of small forts. That would be the activity in Persia and the Pacific anyway.

As for Africa I will be working at developing the areas I colonize in effort to prepare for expansion into the central part of the continent

[Zionatra]

False. Any Jewish nation can have claim there. I didnt say you cannot invade it, but you cannot have it unless you are of jewish belief... due to guidance ^^

Hooray! Then I submit my new app!

Full Nation Name : United Kingdom of Israel and Judah
Majority/Official Culture : Jewish
Territorial Core : Israel, Jordan, Nefoud desert region of arabia
Territorial Claim : [[OPTIONAL]] Syria, Sinai, Arabia
Capital City : Jerusalem
Population : 8 million

Government Type : Constitutional Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Militant, Defensive
Government Focus : A large focus of Israel has been and always will be military defense of its homeland. However it must also focus on its culture and heritage so to better uphold the basis of society.
Head of State : King David IV
Head of Government : Senate Speaker Malakhai Kagan
Government Description : Kings act more like hereditary presidents as a profound checks an balances system called the Zepheniah system is in place. The King runs the executive, the senate is the legislative, the judges council is the judicial. It is like the US system but the King can declare war.

Majority/State Religion : Judaism
Religious Description : as you would think

Economic Ideologies : Mercantilism
Major Production : Daimonds, salt, spices, livestock
Economic Description : extremely reliant on being an inter median between east and west

Army Strength : Highly trained extreme loyalty
Army Weakness :small numbers
Naval Strength :great tactics and firepower
Naval Weakness : weak armor and small number
Further Military Description : Every able bodied man must serve two years in the military.

National Goals :
National Issues : It needs to better embrace the future and begin better trading and political cooperation
National Figures of Interest : moses, david, abraham, the kings ( said to be descended from ancient blood of david himself)
National Ambition/Aspirations : To settle differences with muslim nations or failing that push muslims and Zoroastrians away from north arabia, Syria and Mesopotamia, and northern Sinai failing this convert nearby muslims and Zoroastrians to Judaism

History : Starting around the removal of the roman empire the tribes of Israel came together to decide on the path of their people. They chose a king from the number, a man they claimed to be appointed by god as the true successor to David.

The man named Asaph was appointed king of all the tribes of Israel. He and his descendants worked hard at solidifying the country. Sadly try as they might their efforts actually increased the power of clans in Israel. So much so that by the 1800's names are spoken with the tribe first then the given and finally surnames.

Throughout the middle ages a wave swept the middle east. Islam threatened the very foundations of both christianity and judaism and for a time it was not unusual for christians and jews to fight against muslims together, just a it was not unusual for jews to fight christians.

With the end of the medieval period and beginning of the european Renaissance Israel went through a brief cultural shift. Having worked closer and closer with christian nations the King of Israel at the time, Jakob VII proclaimed the three temple rule. All three chosen temples of the Abrahamic peoples were to be allowed in Israel. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, worshipped together for a time but as all things do the relatively peaceful era ended under the rule of King Ephren.

Banning islam he launched a small scale crusade into nearby muslim lands. Out from Ammon, Moab, and Edom he struck. Capturing several large tracts of land including the whole of Nefoud and Jordania. However to fund his wars he overtaxed and starved his people and only four years into his rule he was overthrown and his cousin David II was made King.

Much of the Sinai and southern Nefoud were lost under David II, however his armies clung to the remaining conquests as they repaired the damage done by Ephren.

In the late 1600's King Ezekial III lifted the ban on non jewish and christian religions. However by this time the majority of the population had either converted or emigrated to muslim dominant lands.

Since the rule of Ephren several conflicts had broken out with muslim nations surrounding Israel, and by the turn of the 1700's Sinai had been lost.

For the last 150 years progressivism has begun to affect Israel heavily, governmental changes due to public pressure caused the creation of a checks and balances system. Recently, in 1801 to be exact, a constitution was drawn up and King Zepharia peacefully relinquished portions of his control.

In 1827 King David IV was crowned and proclaimed his ambition to keep Israel strong and powerful, as well as a wish to bring peace to the neighboring nations.


Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 4
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

Wasn't sure if I got accepted so here is my app again

[Oscalantine]

Or we could use my Greenland strategy

But I'm already attacking pirates in Hispaniola. I'm now Anti-Pirate. How about this, you use your friendly pirate strategy to secure the south of Papua Territory, and I'll launch a full scale invasion of the north of it.

Errr... event hasn't started yet?

Regardless, I guess I have to respond to it, huh... meh. I suppose conflict would rise one of these days.

[Oscalantine]

Wasn't sure if I got accepted so here is my app again

Absolutely. I didn't take a look at that before.

National Goal, believe it or not, is very important. I would like for you to think of that. The most obvious choice for you would be to survive the onslaught of Roman and Christendom rulers, or maybe it could coincide with ambition, spreading and perhaps reforming heretical religions of Christianity.

I would like for both naval and army strength to be a bit more descriptive. Number disadvantage is obvious bad, but I would like some more resulting obvious points for strengths. I would assume that training and loyalty would make for higher morale, but I cannot tell unless you make that out. Tactics and firepower is a vague one. I would like for you to specify what makes great firepower, and what makes good tactics. Does your admirals come from merchant class, and thus knowing more lay of the sea than others? Does your ships use superior cannon design... or perhaps your mathematicians board the ship as well to allow for better accuracy? I need to know! XDDD

National Figures of Interest... I can tell why, but could you distinguish whether they are currently alive or symbolic leaders of bygone kingdoms? It would be nice to have a bit of description on them.

In the history, there is a bit of guidance issue, so I need to ask you to add a few things:

1) In the history, Roman Empire technically had hold on you. This was either very weak political hold by a governor who delegated power to the locals, OR it was vassal-overlord relationship. I need you to clarify which and state how friendly/hostile you were with the Romans.

2) Technically, Roman Empire still exists in our AH, and naturally, I would like a bit more points on how Israel manage to free themselves from Romans. The guidance states a coalition of kingdoms rose in the region and Rome never had a strong power there... but I would like for you to be more descriptive.


... ... ... wow, that's a tall order. But I got your application and I will be reserving your territories. Thanks and hope you will join us soon!!!

[Tracian Empire]

[Map v. 2.6_DRAFT]

Guys, I am going to do something a bit different.

I will post draft here. Look at it, let me know if there are ANYTHING I missed. Afterwards, TG me or OOC me (probably TG for better results XDDD) and I'll make the map official at 12 am my time... hopefully (that's 12 noon in your time).

-Well, it's probably my fault, but that northern part of Serbia that was blank at the beginning should belong to Austria. I never sent any troops there in order not to provoke a new war.

That would be it. I will post today. Also, I would like to ask something. From what I know, these are the territories I have under my control in Egypt, even if it will take a while for them to be completely accepted. Are they okay? I left the two disputed territories in white since I can't do anything with the AEGIS helping Christendom.

http://imgur.com/k8IIVKP