1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[Second Helghan Empire]

But consider I'm majorly different then RL would be inaccurate for some countries

No, you aren't, in terms of population. The plague occurred 500 years ago, and thus not being hit by it would not affect your population.

Exactly i agree populstat should be used for populations, any thing other than recent reasons for a population to not decrease would have no effect therefore, unless fpr say a plague in the 1800's the lack of major wars or something to this affect the population should be within 300,000 on populstat.

[Suekiva]

No, you aren't, in terms of population. The plague occurred 500 years ago, and thus not being hit by it would not affect your population.

Exactly i agree populstat should be used for populations, any thing other than recent reasons for a population to not decrease would have no effect therefore, unless fpr say a plague in the 1800's the lack of major wars or something to this affect the population should be within 300,000 on populstat.

A percentage rather than a flat number would be more realistic, 300,000 would be a lot for a small nation but completely insignificant for a large one.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Exactly i agree populstat should be used for populations, any thing other than recent reasons for a population to not decrease would have no effect therefore, unless fpr say a plague in the 1800's the lack of major wars or something to this affect the population should be within 300,000 on populstat.

A percentage rather than a flat number would be more realistic, 300,000 would be a lot for a small nation but completely insignificant for a large one.

You're right say 5% then

[Suekiva]

A percentage rather than a flat number would be more realistic, 300,000 would be a lot for a small nation but completely insignificant for a large one.

You're right say 5% then

Yeah, I agree that my 125% figure was a bit high. That could work.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Gurland, you applied for AEGIS Membership. You can't join another alliance.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Gurland, you applied for AEGIS Membership. You can't join another alliance.

Actually i'd say he can but come a war between both alliances he would have to pick or be invaded by both.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Gurland, you applied for AEGIS Membership. You can't join another alliance.

Actually i'd say he can but come a war between both alliances he would have to pick or be invaded by both.

I basically handed him a colony. He shouldn't betray friend so easily.

[Lenyo]

Actually i'd say he can but come a war between both alliances he would have to pick or be invaded by both.

I basically handed him a colony. He shouldn't betray friend so easily.

With all the loyalty of a double agent, I'm surprised either alliance wants Gurland's membership.

[Second Helghan Empire]

I basically handed him a colony. He shouldn't betray friend so easily.

With all the loyalty of a double agent, I'm surprised either alliance wants Gurland's membership.

Right im still uncertain as to how i feel about them, but it would be relatively positive since they helped with iceland. Wouldn't take much to say they were villians and get the people to believe it.

[Gurland empire]

I basically handed him a colony. He shouldn't betray friend so easily.

With all the loyalty of a double agent, I'm surprised either alliance wants Gurland's membership.

Harsh and bull I'm loyal but as of right now nothing to be loyal to

And I still want an alliance with Brittany but aegis won't except me not helping christingdom and to say I would would be a lie and I'm not Gona do that I will definitely be in an ally with you and have trade and would also want to do so with hansa but I will by no means help christingdom in a war and since aegis won't allow that I will join a different alliance but would like to be ally as I have no bad feeling for you or hansa

[Kosovo12345]

Before i post in IC, this is the major information u need to know about the new Russia:
Full Nation Name : Russian Empire
Majority/Official Culture : Russian [[What your people identify themselves with… French, Chinese, Iroquois, Touareg, etc.]]
Territorial Core : already on map [[place where you have absolute control over]]
Territorial Claim : Finland, Baltic States, Central Asia. [[OPTIONAL]] [[region NOT your core where your nation’s ambition lies]]
Capital City : Moscow [[Its IRL location and name]]
Population : 65 million

Government Type : Monarchy [[Monarchy, Republic, etc.]]
Government Ideology/Policies : Miliant, Expansionist [[OPTIONAL]] [[Militant, Imperialist, Expansionist, etc.]]
Government Focus : Military, economy, and to make Russia on better terms with Europern armies [[Tell me a little bit about what is your government’s focus… be it military, economy, culture, legitimacy, etc.]]
Head of State : Tsar Alexander the II [[highest-ranking individual in the nation according to rule of law]]
Head of Government : Same [[highest-ranking defacto ruler]]

Majority/State Religion : Orthodox [[OPTIONAL]] [[It does not have to be IRL religion]]
Religious Description : Well...Orthodox as it is in real life [[OPTIONAL]]

Economic Ideologies : Socialism [[Capitalism, Mercantilism, Socialism, Communism, etc.]]


National Goals : To Expand and counter Sino influence in Siberia
National Issues : Technology, Navy, and improve wealth. [[what needs to be fixed in order for your nation to achieve its true potential]]
National Figures of Interest : Tsar Alexander the II is also the leader of the Russian Orthdox Church and is known for putting taxes on all non orthodox and closing the small gap between church and state. [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : Taking over the world [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]]

History: (1300-1400) Mongol rulers continue to maintain their rule over Russia and over the Russian princes and city states, with the Mongol's infulence over Russia declining, several princes challenge the rule.
(1380) The battle of Kulikovo is a failure, although it causes an outrage across the Russian population, protesting against the Mongol overlords.
(1400-1450) A "divide and conquer" tactic is implemented, although the Mongols loose power in the process, a wedge is nudged across Russia, creating different sub-ethnicities regions to divide Russia and make it easier to rule over. The plan is a huge success after the assassination of several Russian rulers and princes.
(1450) Ivan III launches several programs against the now divided Russia against the Mongols, and inflicting heavy losses against the Mongols.
(1460) Moscow continues to rise and gains more autonomy as local princes obtain more power.
(1463) After the fall of several Mongol-controlled lands, Moscow is sacked and is confiscated. Ivan the III flees in exile to Constantinople.
(1480) The divide and conquer tactic continues with great success in areas far north and far south of Moscow, yet the local princes begin to experience tariffs after Mongol rulers receive a shortage of their wealth. Religious policies are also implemented, this makes Orthodox decay in power.
(1486) Ivan the III returns and defeats the Mongols at Dubna, this backfires however as local princes of the local regions hold on to their wealth.
(1500) The majority of Mongol rulers withdraw, yet Russia's princes refuse to co-operate with Moscow and form their own city states, becoming massive trade city states in Eastern Europe.
(1520) Sub-ethnic lines are fully implemented as many Russian royal families take place, the rise of Moscow leaves for many struggles over the throne as Moscow becomes the dominant power over the city states.
(1530) A Muscovite invasion occurs across the Russian frontier, forming the "Kingdom of Muscovy", however after confiscating Mongol lands left over, a civil war occurs, fracturing and collapsing the new nation. This further divides Russia, and allows for a gateway for Mongols to re-take power for 2 years before being overthrown.
(1540) Heavy tensions emerged between local Russian royal families, the 'Dyansty' (just call it that for now) Tula achieves most power over the Russian city states.
(1560) Russia continues to fracture as Muscovite armies enter into Novgorod, integrating the kingdom and annexing several city states. This leads once again to a stronger Moscow.
(1570) Muscovy shrinks after several wars with local city states and ethnic tensions.
(1570-1610) During this time however, Russia manages to modernize in system, adopting new forms of warfare and economics, aswell as new technologies. This leads to a golden age.
(1610-1650) Under the Muscovite monarch Alexander, the grand conquest across Russia begins to tear down sub-ethnic lines, and remaining Mongol authority is dissolved as Orthodox becomes the state religion.
(1660) Russia is eventually confederated, yet the new governmental system collapses after 5 months. The Russian Tsar is adopted.
(1663-1670) Internal conflicts occur for disputes over the throne, the "War of the Birds", eventually results the monarchs of Moscow to be in power.
(1675) The war between the Mongols begin.
(1680) Russia finally begins to exist as a single entity as it expands into Siberia, and defeats the Mongols in battle, this greatly rises Russian prestige and identity. Local princes are officially disbanded and abdicated. This marks the beginning of a unified Russia.
(1685) Russia begins to expand east, with wars against the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, the eastern expansion of Russia begins.
(1690) Mass reformations in the Russian economy allow for easier workforce after a Russian merchant introduces animal labor to the large scale.
(1700-1721) The Russian military had little mass conflict aside from the wars with the Mongols, after failing to capture Finland and defeated by Swedish armies, yet still proving success against the Polish forces.
(1721) Russia accepts defeat, which negitvealy impacts Russian prestige and causes heavy unrest among civilians.
*Old Russian History from former APP stops here; my alt history comes*
After being defeated by Swedish armies and failing to capture Finland, the Russian Tsar faces revolts against his "weak" rule. As a result, he orders for the military to crush all revolts and recuits local Cossacks to be his personal bodyguards whenever he travels, knowing their long held loyalty to the Crown. Soon, his rule in Poland is also weaken by revolts by pro polish rebels. Not wanting another case of where he has to send in the military, the Tsar gives the Poles freedom to be their own nation as long as they remained Russian vassels. Not long after this, the Tsar was killed by Ukranian Tatar nationalists. His son, Ivan, took this as a reason to crack down on all non orthodoxs in the empire. This policy would be carried on by all future Tsars, including the present day one and has worked in the idea of converting all non christans to the true form of Christanity, Orthodox. Ivan also set in motion the idea that all other nations are inferior to Russia. This in fact hurt Russia in many ways, such as one example when an russian tsar, taught his whole life that russia was superior, invaded Finland believeing victory would be his, even though he was outnumbered and supply lines were poorly put together. Russia today focuses on closing the gap in technology and and expanding.

[Oscalantine]

Errr.... Kosovo, history?

Oh and there has been an outcry against those "wip" or "reserve" posts. It apparently makes everyone hard... and for me personally... I had to backtrack and see edit dates to settle disputes precisely because of this "wip" stuff.

Unless you are Benuty and loves to write lengthy paragraph... please don't in the future ^^;;;

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Oh and folks~ sorry! T^T I had course registration for my sister and for my juniors (I apparently have the twitchiest mouse speed in all of university, and peeps keep asking me about this) and I wasn't able to be active. I will be starting tmw, so if you have ANY map changes, please let me know.

In other news... I have noted that Andalusia (Spain dude), Belgium... and since Kosovo moved... Texas and Mexico... are now vacant. I'll make necessary changes and reboot the OOC sometime tmw. After that, I am officially kickstarting the event... so... if you had or have ANY questions, please let me know!! (probably via TG... it is easiest way to reach me without OOC bumps swamping the thread XDDD)

[New Rnclave]

Errr.... Kosovo, history?

Oh and there has been an outcry against those "wip" or "reserve" posts. It apparently makes everyone hard... and for me personally... I had to backtrack and see edit dates to settle disputes precisely because of this "wip" stuff.

Unless you are Benuty and loves to write lengthy paragraph... please don't in the future ^^;;;

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Oh and folks~ sorry! T^T I had course registration for my sister and for my juniors (I apparently have the twitchiest mouse speed in all of university, and peeps keep asking me about this) and I wasn't able to be active. I will be starting tmw, so if you have ANY map changes, please let me know.

In other news... I have noted that Andalusia (Spain dude), Belgium... and since Kosovo moved... Texas and Mexico... are now vacant. I'll make necessary changes and reboot the OOC sometime tmw. After that, I am officially kickstarting the event... so... if you had or have ANY questions, please let me know!! (probably via TG... it is easiest way to reach me without OOC bumps swamping the thread XDDD)

Reserve me Mexico and Texas

[Kosovo12345]

Errr.... Kosovo, history?

Oh and there has been an outcry against those "wip" or "reserve" posts. It apparently makes everyone hard... and for me personally... I had to backtrack and see edit dates to settle disputes precisely because of this "wip" stuff.

Unless you are Benuty and loves to write lengthy paragraph... please don't in the future ^^;;;

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Oh and folks~ sorry! T^T I had course registration for my sister and for my juniors (I apparently have the twitchiest mouse speed in all of university, and peeps keep asking me about this) and I wasn't able to be active. I will be starting tmw, so if you have ANY map changes, please let me know.

In other news... I have noted that Andalusia (Spain dude), Belgium... and since Kosovo moved... Texas and Mexico... are now vacant. I'll make necessary changes and reboot the OOC sometime tmw. After that, I am officially kickstarting the event... so... if you had or have ANY questions, please let me know!! (probably via TG... it is easiest way to reach me without OOC bumps swamping the thread XDDD)

Reserve me Mexico and Texas

Kk, and look at my former app for the history and ecpand if u want

[Soviet Chernarus]

Errr.... Kosovo, history?

Oh and there has been an outcry against those "wip" or "reserve" posts. It apparently makes everyone hard... and for me personally... I had to backtrack and see edit dates to settle disputes precisely because of this "wip" stuff.

Unless you are Benuty and loves to write lengthy paragraph... please don't in the future ^^;;;

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Oh and folks~ sorry! T^T I had course registration for my sister and for my juniors (I apparently have the twitchiest mouse speed in all of university, and peeps keep asking me about this) and I wasn't able to be active. I will be starting tmw, so if you have ANY map changes, please let me know.

In other news... I have noted that Andalusia (Spain dude), Belgium... and since Kosovo moved... Texas and Mexico... are now vacant. I'll make necessary changes and reboot the OOC sometime tmw. After that, I am officially kickstarting the event... so... if you had or have ANY questions, please let me know!! (probably via TG... it is easiest way to reach me without OOC bumps swamping the thread XDDD)

Reserve me Mexico and Texas

I think this is my first time seeing Rnclave reserve or take something other then the US...

[Gurland empire]

Pax did you see the Russian Finland land trade and my colony

[Kosovo12345]

Reserve me Mexico and Texas

I think this is my first time seeing Rnclave reserve or take something other then the US...

I was thinking that! But mexico owns texas here so close enough

[Kosovo12345]

Pax did you see the Russian Finland land trade and my colony

The trade isnt offical yet, need to include history in app for russia

[Soviet Chernarus]

I think this is my first time seeing Rnclave reserve or take something other then the US...

I was thinking that! But mexico owns texas here so close enough

It's americle...get it? A miracle? America?

[New Rnclave]

I think this is my first time seeing Rnclave reserve or take something other then the US...

I was thinking that! But mexico owns texas here so close enough

Mexico would technically be one of the major powers on the continent, they had a population of 5 million in 1810, so I'd say 15-20 million in 1850

[Suekiva]

I was thinking that! But mexico owns texas here so close enough

Mexico would technically be one of the major powers on the continent, they had a population of 5 million in 1810, so I'd say 15-20 million in 1850

It was 7 million in 1850 according to Populstat.

[New Rnclave]

Mexico would technically be one of the major powers on the continent, they had a population of 5 million in 1810, so I'd say 15-20 million in 1850

It was 7 million in 1850 according to Populstat.

No way

[Soviet Chernarus]

I was thinking that! But mexico owns texas here so close enough

Mexico would technically be one of the major powers on the continent, they had a population of 5 million in 1810, so I'd say 15-20 million in 1850

Non-aggression pact? Louisiane only has 2 million people

[New Rnclave]

Mexico would technically be one of the major powers on the continent, they had a population of 5 million in 1810, so I'd say 15-20 million in 1850

Non-aggression pact? Louisiane only has 2 million people

I'd say Mexico has a population of 11 million if they kept Texas, and kept hold of all their territories

[Gurland empire]

Pax did you see the Russian Finland land trade and my colony

The trade isnt offical yet, need to include history in app for russia

Ok then wait on that but I do have a colony now