1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[Gurland empire]

The key is to provoke an attack by them Rome if Christendom attacked you for going after the city non of aegis is required to help him they might but they don't have to

[Tracian Empire]

Likewise, the obvious next move for Japan would be to go after Brittany's colonies in the far east, especially Taiwan which is of huge strategic importance to Japan. But Brittany is not only a member of AEGIS but allied to the Golden Khanate, so that's not a war I could ever realistically win.

Which compels us to be more creative in our diplomacies and foreign affairs. Not a bad thing in my book. I'm certain we are all of us capable of that high quality RPing.

Which blocks me from doing anything. AEGIS is just to big, and it doesn't have any other alliance to oppose it.

[Kosovo12345]

There are only a few nations left without a strong alliance group. and Russia is one of them...RIP: me

[Cymrea]

There are only a few nations left without a strong alliance group. and Russia is one of them...RIP: me

Russia would make a great opponent. Particularly if Russia aligns with east Asia.

[Old Tyrannia]

Likewise, the obvious next move for Japan would be to go after Brittany's colonies in the far east, especially Taiwan which is of huge strategic importance to Japan. But Brittany is not only a member of AEGIS but allied to the Golden Khanate, so that's not a war I could ever realistically win.

Which compels us to be more creative in our diplomacies and foreign affairs. Not a bad thing in my book. I'm certain we are all of us capable of that high quality RPing.

That's easy for you to say. The AEGIS system works in your interest.

There are only a few nations left without a strong alliance group. and Russia is one of them...RIP: me

Japan is another. Add to that the Roman Empire. I don't know what you're complaining about; you have the whole of Siberia to expand into.

[Cymrea]

That's easy for you to say. The AEGIS system works in your interest.

It appears to be a detriment to our own ambitions, so not a divine institution by any means. Plus two members have almost diametrically opposed ambitions. I imagine AEGIS is probably not as solid as it appears and stands a fair chance of crumbling from the inside.

EDIT: Whoops. I was under the impression the Imperium was in AEGIS.

[Tracian Empire]

I am officially announcing my intention to create an alliance that will oppose AEGIS. Everyone is welcome, and suggestions for the name are also welcome.

[Cymrea]

I am officially announcing my intention to create an alliance that will oppose AEGIS. Everyone is welcome, and suggestions for the name are also welcome.

Alliance Extraordinary of Nations (AEoN)
The December Alliance (we're on page 6 = December, 1850)

[Gurland empire]

Alliance of Core Nations AoCN

Alliance for the Greater Interests AGI

[Second Helghan Empire]

No I've already said christendom catholics mostly see judaism as its parent religion, also I see any help I give you will only further your ambitions against me. I would sooner aide Israel. Actually I would sooner aide Al-Andalus, as neither of these nations have as anti Christen policies as Rome.

My King is young but he is no fool and is beloved by his people. If you press against Israel, I will ask if they want support as the majority of Christendom will see any expansion of yours into Israel as a Barbaric invasion of a culture rather highly regarded by Christens.

Eh. Too bad an attack from Christendom won't affect me that much. You've got to defeat my navy first. Besides, I will invade Jerusalem in order to make it a free, independent city, so that all religions will have an equal access to it.

did you read the israel kids app. He enforces religious equality by law. You have no justifiable reason to invade Israel, except greed, sir i say this in kindest way possible, but you are beginning to feel like a rogue state.

[Kosovo12345]

are the nordic states in any alliances?

[Tracian Empire]

Eh. Too bad an attack from Christendom won't affect me that much. You've got to defeat my navy first. Besides, I will invade Jerusalem in order to make it a free, independent city, so that all religions will have an equal access to it.

did you read the israel kids app. He enforces religious equality by law. You have no justifiable reason to invade Israel, except greed, sir i say this in kindest way possible, but you are beginning to feel like a rogue state.

What? Trying to recover the territory I have lost in the past is greed? Trying to enforce my domination in the Eastern Mediterranean is greed? If this is greed, then what about the colonial empires of the Western nations?

[Kosovo12345]

Did anoyne accept israel app? and if not, what page is it on so i could look at it?

[Old Tyrannia]

did you read the israel kids app. He enforces religious equality by law. You have no justifiable reason to invade Israel, except greed, sir i say this in kindest way possible, but you are beginning to feel like a rogue state.

What? Trying to recover the territory I have lost in the past is greed? Trying to enforce my domination in the Eastern Mediterranean is greed? If this is greed, then what about the colonial empires of the Western nations?

This is the 19th century, old chum. Taking land from the darkies doesn't "count."

[Second Helghan Empire]

Finally perhaps the bitter sentiments can stop, i don't understand why you didn't create a coalition ages ago.

Gurland in honesty I don't see why you are not willing to aide christendom. But in all honesty I don't want you in the alliance if you won't fully recognize the five points which apply to all members.

However nations I think should accept the entirety of the five points plan and join would be you, Brazil, Lousiane, Any of the Big three east asian countries, and also hopefully Saxahvall.

did you read the israel kids app. He enforces religious equality by law. You have no justifiable reason to invade Israel, except greed, sir i say this in kindest way possible, but you are beginning to feel like a rogue state.

What? Trying to recover the territory I have lost in the past is greed? Trying to enforce my domination in the Eastern Mediterranean is greed? If this is greed, then what about the colonial empires of the Western nations?

It is greed as in your absence a strong and stable nation has formed there. Nowhere in our colonies is their such a thing, as we couldn't supported a colonization of a civilized militant area.

[Tracian Empire]

What? Trying to recover the territory I have lost in the past is greed? Trying to enforce my domination in the Eastern Mediterranean is greed? If this is greed, then what about the colonial empires of the Western nations?

This is the 19th century, old chum. Taking land from the darkies doesn't "count."

Compared to the colonial greed of the Europeans, I am a prefect normal nation. Then, I don't see how doing that would earn me the classification "rogue nation". I have multiple reasons, political, strategical, economical and religious, to take over that area.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Did anoyne accept israel app? and if not, what page is it on so i could look at it?

Like 93 or 94

[Tracian Empire]

Finally perhaps the bitter sentiments can stop, i don't understand why you didn't create a coalition ages ago.

Gurland in honesty I don't see why you are not willing to aide christendom. But in all honesty I don't want you in the alliance if you won't fully recognize the five points which apply to all members.

However nations I think should accept the entirety of the five points plan and join would be you, Brazil, Lousiane, Any of the Big three east asian countries, and also hopefully Saxahvall.

What? Trying to recover the territory I have lost in the past is greed? Trying to enforce my domination in the Eastern Mediterranean is greed? If this is greed, then what about the colonial empires of the Western nations?

It is greed as in your absence a strong and stable nation has formed there. Nowhere in our colonies is their such a thing, as we couldn't supported a colonization of a civilized militant area.

I personally fail to realize why is Hansa interested into the affairs of the Roman Empire. Then compared to other nations, both real and in this very world, I did nothing. If I am a rogue nation, look at the rest of the nations in the world.

[Second Helghan Empire]

False. Any Jewish nation can have claim there. I didnt say you cannot invade it, but you cannot have it unless you are of jewish belief... due to guidance ^^

Hooray! Then I submit my new app!

Full Nation Name : United Kingdom of Israel and Judah
Majority/Official Culture : Jewish
Territorial Core : Israel, Jordan, Nefoud desert region of arabia
Territorial Claim : [[OPTIONAL]] Syria, Sinai, Arabia
Capital City : Jerusalem
Population : 8 million

Government Type : Constitutional Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Militant, Defensive
Government Focus : A large focus of Israel has been and always will be military defense of its homeland. However it must also focus on its culture and heritage so to better uphold the basis of society.
Head of State : King David IV
Head of Government : Senate Speaker Malakhai Kagan
Government Description : Kings act more like hereditary presidents as a profound checks an balances system called the Zepheniah system is in place. The King runs the executive, the senate is the legislative, the judges council is the judicial. It is like the US system but the King can declare war.

Majority/State Religion : Judaism
Religious Description : as you would think

Economic Ideologies : Mercantilism
Major Production : Daimonds, salt, spices, livestock
Economic Description : extremely reliant on being an inter median between east and west

Army Strength : Highly trained extreme loyalty
Army Weakness :small numbers
Naval Strength :great tactics and firepower
Naval Weakness : weak armor and small number
Further Military Description : Every able bodied man must serve two years in the military.

National Goals :
National Issues : It needs to better embrace the future and begin better trading and political cooperation
National Figures of Interest : moses, david, abraham, the kings ( said to be descended from ancient blood of david himself)
National Ambition/Aspirations : To settle differences with muslim nations or failing that push muslims and Zoroastrians away from north arabia, Syria and Mesopotamia, and northern Sinai failing this convert nearby muslims and Zoroastrians to Judaism

History : Starting around the removal of the roman empire the tribes of Israel came together to decide on the path of their people. They chose a king from the number, a man they claimed to be appointed by god as the true successor to David.

The man named Asaph was appointed king of all the tribes of Israel. He and his descendants worked hard at solidifying the country. Sadly try as they might their efforts actually increased the power of clans in Israel. So much so that by the 1800's names are spoken with the tribe first then the given and finally surnames.

Throughout the middle ages a wave swept the middle east. Islam threatened the very foundations of both christianity and judaism and for a time it was not unusual for christians and jews to fight against muslims together, just a it was not unusual for jews to fight christians.

With the end of the medieval period and beginning of the european Renaissance Israel went through a brief cultural shift. Having worked closer and closer with christian nations the King of Israel at the time, Jakob VII proclaimed the three temple rule. All three chosen temples of the Abrahamic peoples were to be allowed in Israel. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, worshipped together for a time but as all things do the relatively peaceful era ended under the rule of King Ephren.

Banning islam he launched a small scale crusade into nearby muslim lands. Out from Ammon, Moab, and Edom he struck. Capturing several large tracts of land including the whole of Nefoud and Jordania. However to fund his wars he overtaxed and starved his people and only four years into his rule he was overthrown and his cousin David II was made King.

Much of the Sinai and southern Nefoud were lost under David II, however his armies clung to the remaining conquests as they repaired the damage done by Ephren.

In the late 1600's King Ezekial III lifted the ban on non jewish and christian religions. However by this time the majority of the population had either converted or emigrated to muslim dominant lands.

Since the rule of Ephren several conflicts had broken out with muslim nations surrounding Israel, and by the turn of the 1700's Sinai had been lost.

For the last 150 years progressivism has begun to affect Israel heavily, governmental changes due to public pressure caused the creation of a checks and balances system. Recently, in 1801 to be exact, a constitution was drawn up and King Zepharia peacefully relinquished portions of his control.

In 1827 King David IV was crowned and proclaimed his ambition to keep Israel strong and powerful, as well as a wish to bring peace to the neighboring nations.


Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 4
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

Found it ^^^^

[Tracian Empire]

If Israel has 8 million, I must request a change of my population. It's just impossible for me to have such a small number. Any ideas about how much could there be are welcome, I'm a disaster at things like this.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Finally perhaps the bitter sentiments can stop, i don't understand why you didn't create a coalition ages ago.

Gurland in honesty I don't see why you are not willing to aide christendom. But in all honesty I don't want you in the alliance if you won't fully recognize the five points which apply to all members.

However nations I think should accept the entirety of the five points plan and join would be you, Brazil, Lousiane, Any of the Big three east asian countries, and also hopefully Saxahvall.

It is greed as in your absence a strong and stable nation has formed there. Nowhere in our colonies is their such a thing, as we couldn't supported a colonization of a civilized militant area.

I personally fail to realize why is Hansa interested into the affairs of the Roman Empire. Then compared to other nations, both real and in this very world, I did nothing. If I am a rogue nation, look at the rest of the nations in the world.

Hansa is concerned with the stability of the region and the defense of it's ally but as none of this is IC I am concerned as a player as to your focus on war rather than diplomacy or trade.

[Tracian Empire]

I personally fail to realize why is Hansa interested into the affairs of the Roman Empire. Then compared to other nations, both real and in this very world, I did nothing. If I am a rogue nation, look at the rest of the nations in the world.

Hansa is concerned with the stability of the region and the defense of it's ally but as none of this is IC I am concerned as a player as to your focus on war rather than diplomacy or trade.

Considering that the Roman Empire mostly remained in his current borders for a large part of its history, expanding is a normal thing. Every last territory I will try to annex is part of my claim.

[Second Helghan Empire]

If Israel has 8 million, I must request a change of my population. It's just impossible for me to have such a small number. Any ideas about how much could there be are welcome, I'm a disaster at things like this.

You aren't gunna like this but populstat is giving you areas excluding egypt a population of around 9.5 million.

I recommend you stay at 13 also I think he need to drop 7 million.

[Tracian Empire]

If Israel has 8 million, I must request a change of my population. It's just impossible for me to have such a small number. Any ideas about how much could there be are welcome, I'm a disaster at things like this.

You aren't gunna like this but populstat is giving you areas excluding egypt a population of around 9.5 million.

I recommend you stay at 13 also I think he need to drop 7 million.

You must however consider the massive decline in population the areas of the Byzantine Empire have experienced in real life. With that never happening..

Also, Christendom has 36 million, and he went through a similar process, avoiding many real life invasions.

[Second Helghan Empire]

You aren't gunna like this but populstat is giving you areas excluding egypt a population of around 9.5 million.

I recommend you stay at 13 also I think he need to drop 7 million.

You must however consider the massive decline in population the areas of the Byzantine Empire have experienced in real life. With that never happening..

Also, Christendom has 36 million, and he went through a similar process, avoiding many real life invasions.

Exactly thats why I recommended you retain 13 million than dropping to 9.5 actually perhaps you should up to 15 million, then I believe Israel could remain at 8 million.