1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[Cabana]

Could I reserve New Guinea and create a Chinese Dynasty that fled there when the Golden Horde took over China? Or would that be implausible?

Why would they flee to Guinea instead of somewhere closer with Chinese speakers like Borneo?

[Oscalantine]

Israel is open

I'm pretty sure Israel is reserved for Christen/Roman ambitions. It can't be claimed by new nations.

False. Any Jewish nation can have claim there. I didnt say you cannot invade it, but you cannot have it unless you are of jewish belief... due to guidance ^^

[Zionatra]

I'm pretty sure Israel is reserved for Christen/Roman ambitions. It can't be claimed by new nations.

False. Any Jewish nation can have claim there. I didnt say you cannot invade it, but you cannot have it unless you are of jewish belief... due to guidance ^^

Hooray! Then I submit my new app!

Full Nation Name : United Kingdom of Israel and Judah
Majority/Official Culture : Jewish
Territorial Core : Israel, Jordan, Nefoud desert region of arabia
Territorial Claim : [[OPTIONAL]] Syria, Sinai, Arabia
Capital City : Jerusalem
Population : 8 million

Government Type : Constitutional Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Militant, Defensive
Government Focus : A large focus of Israel has been and always will be military defense of its homeland. However it must also focus on its culture and heritage so to better uphold the basis of society.
Head of State : King David IV
Head of Government : Senate Speaker Malakhai Kagan
Government Description : Kings act more like hereditary presidents as a profound checks an balances system called the Zepheniah system is in place. The King runs the executive, the senate is the legislative, the judges council is the judicial. It is like the US system but the King can declare war.

Majority/State Religion : Judaism
Religious Description : as you would think

Economic Ideologies : Mercantilism
Major Production : Daimonds, salt, spices, livestock
Economic Description : extremely reliant on being an inter median between east and west

Army Strength : Highly trained extreme loyalty
Army Weakness :small numbers
Naval Strength :great tactics and firepower
Naval Weakness : weak armor and small number
Further Military Description : Every able bodied man must serve two years in the military.

National Goals :
National Issues : It needs to better embrace the future and begin better trading and political cooperation
National Figures of Interest : moses, david, abraham, the kings ( said to be descended from ancient blood of david himself)
National Ambition/Aspirations : To settle differences with muslim nations or failing that push muslims and Zoroastrians away from north arabia, Syria and Mesopotamia, and northern Sinai failing this convert nearby muslims and Zoroastrians to Judaism

History : Starting around the removal of the roman empire the tribes of Israel came together to decide on the path of their people. They chose a king from the number, a man they claimed to be appointed by god as the true successor to David.

The man named Asaph was appointed king of all the tribes of Israel. He and his descendants worked hard at solidifying the country. Sadly try as they might their efforts actually increased the power of clans in Israel. So much so that by the 1800's names are spoken with the tribe first then the given and finally surnames.

Throughout the middle ages a wave swept the middle east. Islam threatened the very foundations of both christianity and judaism and for a time it was not unusual for christians and jews to fight against muslims together, just a it was not unusual for jews to fight christians.

With the end of the medieval period and beginning of the european Renaissance Israel went through a brief cultural shift. Having worked closer and closer with christian nations the King of Israel at the time, Jakob VII proclaimed the three temple rule. All three chosen temples of the Abrahamic peoples were to be allowed in Israel. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, worshipped together for a time but as all things do the relatively peaceful era ended under the rule of King Ephren.

Banning islam he launched a small scale crusade into nearby muslim lands. Out from Ammon, Moab, and Edom he struck. Capturing several large tracts of land including the whole of Nefoud and Jordania. However to fund his wars he overtaxed and starved his people and only four years into his rule he was overthrown and his cousin David II was made King.

Much of the Sinai and southern Nefoud were lost under David II, however his armies clung to the remaining conquests as they repaired the damage done by Ephren.

In the late 1600's King Ezekial III lifted the ban on non jewish and christian religions. However by this time the majority of the population had either converted or emigrated to muslim dominant lands.

Since the rule of Ephren several conflicts had broken out with muslim nations surrounding Israel, and by the turn of the 1700's Sinai had been lost.

For the last 150 years progressivism has begun to affect Israel heavily, governmental changes due to public pressure caused the creation of a checks and balances system. Recently, in 1801 to be exact, a constitution was drawn up and King Zepharia peacefully relinquished portions of his control.

In 1827 King David IV was crowned and proclaimed his ambition to keep Israel strong and powerful, as well as a wish to bring peace to the neighboring nations.


Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 4
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

[Baja California y Sonora]

Could I reserve New Guinea and create a Chinese Dynasty that fled there when the Golden Horde took over China? Or would that be implausible?

Why would they flee to Guinea instead of somewhere closer with Chinese speakers like Borneo?

Because New Guinea on the map did not have any claims unlike Borneo. But it doesn't really matter anymore, since I won't be able to do it.

[Gurland empire]

Why would they flee to Guinea instead of somewhere closer with Chinese speakers like Borneo?

Because New Guinea on the map did not have any claims unlike Borneo. But it doesn't really matter anymore, since I won't be able to do it.

You should be Persia or mybe a Indonesian country or a united Middle East (so like Saudia Arabia and Iran and Iraq or something like that or a big twist on them to like their Christian country)

[Gurland empire]

Or even SA Yemen Oman country really any Middle East countries you want to unify

[Eurasian Hegemony]

Or even SA Yemen Oman country really any Middle East countries you want to unify

Yemen and Oman are npc pirate nations but he could be saudi arabia or persia, the rest is taken.

[Baja California y Sonora]

Because New Guinea on the map did not have any claims unlike Borneo. But it doesn't really matter anymore, since I won't be able to do it.

You should be Persia or mybe a Indonesian country or a united Middle East (so like Saudia Arabia and Iran and Iraq or something like that or a big twist on them to like their Christian country)

Nah, they don't really interest me that much, thanks tho. I think'll I'll pass on this. GL y'all.

[Elerian]

I don't have very much time to post, but I'm still around. I should be good to go by Thursday or Friday.

[Tracian Empire]

Or even SA Yemen Oman country really any Middle East countries you want to unify

Yemen and Oman are npc pirate nations but he could be saudi arabia or persia, the rest is taken.

Christendom. Crusade against the Jewish nation?

[Eurasian Hegemony]

Yemen and Oman are npc pirate nations but he could be saudi arabia or persia, the rest is taken.

Christendom. Crusade against the Jewish nation?

No I've already said christendom catholics mostly see judaism as its parent religion, also I see any help I give you will only further your ambitions against me. I would sooner aide Israel. Actually I would sooner aide Al-Andalus, as neither of these nations have as anti Christen policies as Rome.

My King is young but he is no fool and is beloved by his people. If you press against Israel, I will ask if they want support as the majority of Christendom will see any expansion of yours into Israel as a Barbaric invasion of a culture rather highly regarded by Christens.

[Tracian Empire]

Christendom. Crusade against the Jewish nation?

No I've already said christendom catholics mostly see judaism as its parent religion, also I see any help I give you will only further your ambitions against me. I would sooner aide Israel. Actually I would sooner aide Al-Andalus, as neither of these nations have as anti Christen policies as Rome.

My King is young but he is no fool and is beloved by his people. If you press against Israel, I will ask if they want support as the majority of Christendom will see any expansion of yours into Israel as a Barbaric invasion of a culture rather highly regarded by Christens.

Eh. Too bad an attack from Christendom won't affect me that much. You've got to defeat my navy first. Besides, I will invade Jerusalem in order to make it a free, independent city, so that all religions will have an equal access to it.

[Of the Quendi]

The Catholic nations in Europe at least.

Well apparently almost all the nations in Europe are friends and NATO AEGIS partners. It makes for terribly exciting RP'ing.

[Tracian Empire]

The Catholic nations in Europe at least.

Well apparently almost all the nations in Europe are friends and NATO AEGIS partners. It makes for terribly exciting RP'ing.

Exactly. We will have an era of peace, with no wars in Europe. I can feel the fun.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

No I've already said christendom catholics mostly see judaism as its parent religion, also I see any help I give you will only further your ambitions against me. I would sooner aide Israel. Actually I would sooner aide Al-Andalus, as neither of these nations have as anti Christen policies as Rome.

My King is young but he is no fool and is beloved by his people. If you press against Israel, I will ask if they want support as the majority of Christendom will see any expansion of yours into Israel as a Barbaric invasion of a culture rather highly regarded by Christens.

Eh. Too bad an attack from Christendom won't affect me that much. You've got to defeat my navy first. Besides, I will invade Jerusalem in order to make it a free, independent city, so that all religions will have an equal access to it.

Well. I'd help them, they'd have a 30+ ship fleet to reinforce their already existing fleet. Hasta La Vista!

[Tracian Empire]

Eh. Too bad an attack from Christendom won't affect me that much. You've got to defeat my navy first. Besides, I will invade Jerusalem in order to make it a free, independent city, so that all religions will have an equal access to it.

Well. I'd help them, they'd have a 30+ ship fleet to reinforce their already existing fleet. Hasta La Vista!

I have 90 ships, the advantage of my home waters, and the Roman fire, not only in its traditional form, but also as incendiary cannonballs.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Well. I'd help them, they'd have a 30+ ship fleet to reinforce their already existing fleet. Hasta La Vista!

I have 90 ships, the advantage of my home waters, and the Roman fire, not only in its traditional form, but also as incendiary cannonballs.

Greek Fire? That's a bit overpowered. Do you have ironclads?

[Tracian Empire]

I have 90 ships, the advantage of my home waters, and the Roman fire, not only in its traditional form, but also as incendiary cannonballs.

Greek Fire? That's a bit overpowered. Do you have ironclads?

No. And the Greek fire is dangerous to use, but not overpowered. It was a very important weapon for the Byzantines, so I see no reason for why my Roman Empire won't have it.

[Cymrea]

The Catholic nations in Europe at least.

Well apparently almost all the nations in Europe are friends and NATO AEGIS partners. It makes for terribly exciting RP'ing.

It's been my experience that alliances like that usually make for more stable RPing, instead of the more common invasions and wars for little to no reason; those tend to burn bright and burn out quickly.

[Tracian Empire]

Well apparently almost all the nations in Europe are friends and NATO AEGIS partners. It makes for terribly exciting RP'ing.

It's been my experience that alliances like that usually make for more stable RPing, instead of the more common invasions and wars for little to no reason; those tend to burn bright and burn out quickly.

This alliance is just like a block in the middle of Europe, that will stop all wars in the area.

[Cymrea]

It's been my experience that alliances like that usually make for more stable RPing, instead of the more common invasions and wars for little to no reason; those tend to burn bright and burn out quickly.

This alliance is just like a block in the middle of Europe, that will stop all wars in the area.

A similar bloc in a Brazilian-led South America would be very useful...*hint* *nudge* *wink*

[Old Tyrannia]

It's been my experience that alliances like that usually make for more stable RPing, instead of the more common invasions and wars for little to no reason; those tend to burn bright and burn out quickly.

This alliance is just like a block in the middle of Europe, that will stop all wars in the area.

Not just in the area. With European countries all helping to defend one another's colonies as well, it renders them pretty much untouchable.

[Tracian Empire]

This alliance is just like a block in the middle of Europe, that will stop all wars in the area.

Not just in the area. With European countries all helping to defend one another's colonies as well, it renders them pretty much untouchable.

Besides from the fact that an alliance like that in the 1850's would be completely unrealistic, it pretty much stops us from doing anything. As an example, I intended to attack Jerusalem, but it seems like Christendom, probably followed by AEGIS, wants to stop me. I can't win a war against three quarters of Europe.

[Old Tyrannia]

Not just in the area. With European countries all helping to defend one another's colonies as well, it renders them pretty much untouchable.

Besides from the fact that an alliance like that in the 1850's would be completely unrealistic, it pretty much stops us from doing anything. As an example, I intended to attack Jerusalem, but it seems like Christendom, probably followed by AEGIS, wants to stop me. I can't win a war against three quarters of Europe.

Likewise, the obvious next move for Japan would be to go after Brittany's colonies in the far east, especially Taiwan which is of huge strategic importance to Japan. But Brittany is not only a member of AEGIS but allied to the Golden Khanate, so that's not a war I could ever realistically win.

[Cymrea]

Besides from the fact that an alliance like that in the 1850's would be completely unrealistic, it pretty much stops us from doing anything. As an example, I intended to attack Jerusalem, but it seems like Christendom, probably followed by AEGIS, wants to stop me. I can't win a war against three quarters of Europe.

Likewise, the obvious next move for Japan would be to go after Brittany's colonies in the far east, especially Taiwan which is of huge strategic importance to Japan. But Brittany is not only a member of AEGIS but allied to the Golden Khanate, so that's not a war I could ever realistically win.

Which compels us to be more creative in our diplomacies and foreign affairs. Not a bad thing in my book. I'm certain we are all of us capable of that high quality RPing.