1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[Old Tyrannia]

Russia_Is_Not_Jewish
We are orthodox

So what is going to be the main difference between your Russia and RL Russia, then?

[Tracian Empire]

Russia_Is_Not_Jewish
We are orthodox

Then why u hating good Orthodox Rome?

[Kosovo12345]

Russia_Is_Not_Jewish
We are orthodox

Then why u hating good Orthodox Rome?

Because i want Russia to be the biggest Orthodox power

[Tracian Empire]

Then why u hating good Orthodox Rome?

Because i want Russia to be the biggest Orthodox power

Good luck with that. While the Catholics are all friends, the Orthodox nations are fighting. Cruel world.

[Kosovo12345]

Russia_Is_Not_Jewish
We are orthodox

So what is going to be the main difference between your Russia and RL Russia, then?

Expansion, my military wont be weak, and the way i counter other europern colonies in Africa by having my own

[Kosovo12345]

Because i want Russia to be the biggest Orthodox power

Good luck with that. While the Catholics are all friends, the Orthodox nations are fighting. Cruel world.

i wont fight unless u want to, i just want the orthodox power base to shift to me

[Tracian Empire]

Good luck with that. While the Catholics are all friends, the Orthodox nations are fighting. Cruel world.

i wont fight unless u want to, i just want the orthodox power base to shift to me

Unless I am erased from the face of Earth, that will never happen. Still, that's what I get for the democracy of the Orthodox Church.

[Old Tyrannia]

So what is going to be the main difference between your Russia and RL Russia, then?

Expansion, my military wont be weak, and the way i counter other europern colonies in Africa by having my own

The Russian Empire was many things, but it was not militarily weak. Technologically behind the rest of Europe, yes, but not weak. It was also most certainly expansionist. And- how exactly do you plan to colonise Africa?

Because i want Russia to be the biggest Orthodox power

Good luck with that. While the Catholics are all friends, the Orthodox nations are fighting. Cruel world.

Try being surrounded by hostile powers that are almost all allied against you and having virtually no overseas colonies nor a large contiguous land empire.

[Tracian Empire]

Expansion, my military wont be weak, and the way i counter other europern colonies in Africa by having my own

The Russian Empire was many things, but it was not militarily weak. Technologically behind the rest of Europe, yes, but not weak. It was also most certainly expansionist. And- how exactly do you plan to colonise Africa?

Good luck with that. While the Catholics are all friends, the Orthodox nations are fighting. Cruel world.

Try being surrounded by hostile powers that are almost all allied against you and having virtually no overseas colonies nor a large contiguous land empire.

Well, that's bad. But I personally seem to have made Europe coalize against me even before I did anything in the IC.

[Kosovo12345]

Expansion, my military wont be weak, and the way i counter other europern colonies in Africa by having my own

The Russian Empire was many things, but it was not militarily weak. Technologically behind the rest of Europe, yes, but not weak. It was also most certainly expansionist. And- how exactly do you plan to colonise Africa?

Good luck with that. While the Catholics are all friends, the Orthodox nations are fighting. Cruel world.

Try being surrounded by hostile powers that are almost all allied against you and having virtually no overseas colonies nor a large contiguous land empire.

i will make it technologically leveled with Europe or even go pass Europe. And how to make African colonies? as long as rome lets go pass the straits though New Rome, i canr each Africa after a while

[Kosovo12345]

Im am going to take over Finland, Baltic States, and make Poland less of a vassel, more of a state in Russia with rights

[Tracian Empire]

The Russian Empire was many things, but it was not militarily weak. Technologically behind the rest of Europe, yes, but not weak. It was also most certainly expansionist. And- how exactly do you plan to colonise Africa?

Try being surrounded by hostile powers that are almost all allied against you and having virtually no overseas colonies nor a large contiguous land empire.

i will make it technologically leveled with Europe or even go pass Europe. And how to make African colonies? as long as rome lets go pass the straits though New Rome, i canr each Africa after a while

Another reason Russia would want friendly relations with Rome.

[Second Helghan Empire]

The Russian Empire was many things, but it was not militarily weak. Technologically behind the rest of Europe, yes, but not weak. It was also most certainly expansionist. And- how exactly do you plan to colonise Africa?

Try being surrounded by hostile powers that are almost all allied against you and having virtually no overseas colonies nor a large contiguous land empire.

i will make it technologically leveled with Europe or even go pass Europe. And how to make African colonies? as long as rome lets go pass the straits though New Rome, i canr each Africa after a while

The guidance says that by this point you cannot make it technologically equivalent nor exceeding European nations, that doesn't mean it can't be modernized. But there is no way for Russia to be as advanced as cambria, or france, and especially not Hansa.

Russia_Is_Not_Jewish
We are orthodox

I apologize I saw only a few posts ago someone talking about it becoming jewish.

Sir you jump to conclusions rather hastily, I have reread Christendom's app, and there are major flaws to your logic.

A. He says that the Kingdom of Christendom was originally Italy. Therefore his culture would remain as Italian. As foryour belief that the people of Italy see your men as their eastern brethren, that is foolish, they haven't identified with a roman empire for over 4 centuries.

B. Other nations are required by their alliance agreements to defend Christendom from your military assault. These Include,
France, Cambria, Belgium, Brittany, Hansa, and Austroasia. Should you attack one nation the rest of this coalition would crush you even if you had Russia and Andalus as Allies.

C.I highly doubt you could take Christendom 1v1 in the first place. He has a larger more advanced military, and a stronger economy if that guidance is accepted by Oscal.

D. Seriously face it when it comes to war you should avoid one with christendom.

E. If Russia becomes a Jewish nation, then Russia would most likely support Christendom's defense of Jerusalem against your planned attack, you would be surrounded and crushed.

It seems that some people really can't let it go.

From his history:496 C.E. Last Roman Emperor is overthrown by Odaecer. He attempts to rule Rome but fails. Rome and Most of Italy is thrown into Chaos and it seems western civilization may be forgotten for a time, The only stable locations are four areas in southern Italy that conatin decent sized East Roman military forces, under orders to eventually pave the way for the Eastern empire to take Rome.
498 C.E. Remaining Western Roman forces culminate into the Last Legion of Rome (Only West Rome of course) and seek East Rome's aide to keep Italy from falling fully to the Barbarians East rome participates in promise that italy will become a vassal
504 C.E. Roman soldiers have been fighting almost continuously for six years but unite Southern and Central Italy and lay siege to the now Ostrogoth controlled Rome.
505 C.E. Rome falls to Roman troops. They Begin work to rebuild atleast some of the city.
507 C.E. Roman Commander Marcus Sabinus renames the Nation Italy stating that the Roman Empire carried too much corruption and bad blood with it. He forges a close friendship with the Papacy for refusing to allow the collapse of Rome. He makes an official promise that once unified the Kingdom of Italy will become a Vassal of Constantinople

Italy was created when the Western Roman remains changed their name. So, they won't be equal to the real life Italians.

If the Italians are considering the Romans as their brethren is ultimately that player's choice. However, the Romans are considering the Italians their Western brethren.

Then, about the coalition. Everything I said was purposely ignoring the coalition, because in my personal opinion, that coalition is not only just impossible to be created at this time of the history, but it's also highly unjust, as it blocks any possible wars in Europe.

I wouldn't necessarily say that he has a stronger economy. I am a trade gate between Europe and Asia. Byzantium was the wealthiest state in Europe for a long time because of a good reason.

Then, population. My population was a vague approximation, since no one helped me. I strongly believe that more people should live in the Empire, but that's the OP's choice.

And then, hasn't the OP said that not the numbers, but the RP quality are important?

You're right as for the player deciding but from what I've gleaned I doubt he will consider it a good idea.

As for the economy, sailing would have long replaced the relevance of Constantinople by 1850, while I don't doubt your economy is very strong, if Oscal allows his guidance his economy would become possibly the strongest in the world. I was just mentioning what would happen if his guidance was accepted.

Lastly the existence was designed to minimize war in europe, and I feel could only be construed as unfair if on the outside of it. You are welcome to your opinion however.

[Gurland empire]

Im am going to take over Finland, Baltic States, and make Poland less of a vassel, more of a state in Russia with rights

When my country is in flames maybe you will but you will not take Finland

[Kosovo12345]

Im am going to take over Finland, Baltic States, and make Poland less of a vassel, more of a state in Russia with rights

When my country is in flames maybe you will but you will not take Finland

Fine, i will take lower Finland. I just need that part to make sure my future trade thought Saint Petersburg is safe

[Old Tyrannia]

Russia_Is_Not_Jewish
We are orthodox

I apologize I saw only a few posts ago someone talking about it becoming jewish.

Sorry, that was my fault. I was just saying it would be an interesting- and somewhat plausible- alternate history. Kosovo never mentioned playing a Jewish Russia.

[Gurland empire]

When my country is in flames maybe you will but you will not take Finland

Fine, i will take lower Finland. I just need that part to make sure my future trade thought Saint Petersburg is safe

Finland is part of my claim and all of it you can have the Lithuania area but not Finland

[Kosovo12345]

Fine, i will take lower Finland. I just need that part to make sure my future trade thought Saint Petersburg is safe

Finland is part of my claim and all of it you can have the Lithuania area but not Finland

kk
Question: why is the area of Saint Petersburg white? are we gonna ignore that one the biggest russian cities isnt russian?

[Tracian Empire]

As Christendom is practically a peninsula, before anything, in a war between us, the naval battles will play an important role. And I just happen to have a small thing that might grant me an advantage if used correctly.

Besides, even if my army isn't as advanced as the Western armies, I have discipline, experience, and flamethrowers.

[Old Tyrannia]

Finland is part of my claim and all of it you can have the Lithuania area but not Finland

kk
Question: why is the area of Saint Petersburg white? are we gonna ignore that one the biggest russian cities isnt russian?

It wasn't in the previous Russian player's claim, I presume. Therefore it's not Russian. That region only became Russian in the 18th century anyway, and only became important because Peter the Great decided at random to build his new capital there. St Petersburg might well not even exist in this timeline.

[Kosovo12345]

gonna make my own Guidance. ^^
a Russian Guidance

[Kosovo12345]

kk
Question: why is the area of Saint Petersburg white? are we gonna ignore that one the biggest russian cities isnt russian?

It wasn't in the previous Russian player's claim, I presume. Therefore it's not Russian. That region only became Russian in the 18th century anyway, and only became important because Peter the Great decided at random to build his new capital there. St Petersburg might well not even exist in this timeline.

butbutbut....i need Saint Petersburg....What the hell last russia player, Saint petersburg is your best city besides Moscow and maybe Kiev

[Old Tyrannia]

It wasn't in the previous Russian player's claim, I presume. Therefore it's not Russian. That region only became Russian in the 18th century anyway, and only became important because Peter the Great decided at random to build his new capital there. St Petersburg might well not even exist in this timeline.

butbutbut....i need Saint Petersburg....What the hell last russia player, Saint petersburg is your best city besides Moscow and maybe Kiev

Believe me, you are far from the only one here who wants to know what their country's previous player was thinking. I mean, Atramentar could at least have claimed Hawaii and some of the East Indies for Japan...

[Of the Quendi]

You know what would be cool? If Vladimir the Great of Kiev had chosen Judaism rather than Orthodox Christianity as the religion of his people in 987, leading to a principally Jewish Russian Empire in the modern day. It happened in Khazaria, so I don't see how Russia couldn't have gone down the same path.

An interesting idea to be sure. Vladimir apparently discarded Judaism as he took the Jewish loos of Jerusalem as a sign that God wasn't with them. Plus the Orthodox Christians had a politically savvy Basil the Bulgar-Slayer in their ring corner eager to lock down the Kievan Rus' for Orthodoxy. But having the Russians go Jewish, Muslim or Catholic would certainly be interesting.

Good luck with that. While the Catholics are all friends, the Orthodox nations are fighting. Cruel world.

The Catholic nations aren't all friends. Mine has no warm feelings towards the Christendom kingdom and is competing with Belgium and Brittany.

butbutbut....i need Saint Petersburg....What the hell last russia player, Saint petersburg is your best city besides Moscow and maybe Kiev

Then claim it in your app. The reason the last Russian player didn't have it was because the Nordic player at the time had made a guidance saying that the Swedish empire was never defeated by Russia or something.

[Tracian Empire]

You know what would be cool? If Vladimir the Great of Kiev had chosen Judaism rather than Orthodox Christianity as the religion of his people in 987, leading to a principally Jewish Russian Empire in the modern day. It happened in Khazaria, so I don't see how Russia couldn't have gone down the same path.

An interesting idea to be sure. Vladimir apparently discarded Judaism as he took the Jewish loos of Jerusalem as a sign that God wasn't with them. Plus the Orthodox Christians had a politically savvy Basil the Bulgar-Slayer in their ring corner eager to lock down the Kievan Rus' for Orthodoxy. But having the Russians go Jewish, Muslim or Catholic would certainly be interesting.

Good luck with that. While the Catholics are all friends, the Orthodox nations are fighting. Cruel world.

The Catholic nations aren't all friends. Mine has no warm feelings towards the Christendom kingdom and is competing with Belgium and Brittany.

butbutbut....i need Saint Petersburg....What the hell last russia player, Saint petersburg is your best city besides Moscow and maybe Kiev

Then claim it in your app. The reason the last Russian player didn't have it was because the Nordic player at the time had made a guidance saying that the Swedish empire was never defeated by Russia or something.

The Catholic nations in Europe at least.