1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[Tracian Empire]

You might think your "opinion" is more valid than his, but you're both still talking about another player's nation, so you're both equally out of line as far as I'm concerned. Those in glass houses and all that.

Technically, it's pyhsically impossible to be talking out of our rear ends since our rear ends don't have tongues or the neccesary muscles for speech. But I understand your point. I was just confused as to how Greeks could disappear. I dropped the issue about making Greece a country quite some time ago, and instead I'm no focused on how exactly Greeks dissappeared from the face of the Earth, according to Tracian.

Assimilation, Romanization, Latinization. For 1200 years. It wouldn't be so hard, considering that the Greeks called themselves Romans in real life until the 1400's.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Technically, it's pyhsically impossible to be talking out of our rear ends since our rear ends don't have tongues or the neccesary muscles for speech. But I understand your point. I was just confused as to how Greeks could disappear. I dropped the issue about making Greece a country quite some time ago, and instead I'm no focused on how exactly Greeks dissappeared from the face of the Earth, according to Tracian.

Assimilation, Romanization, Latinization. For 1200 years. It wouldn't be so hard, considering that the Greeks called themselves Romans in real life until the 1400's.

Uh huh. Alright then.

[Old Tyrannia]

You might think your "opinion" is more valid than his, but you're both still talking about another player's nation, so you're both equally out of line as far as I'm concerned. Those in glass houses and all that.

Technically, it's pyhsically impossible to be talking out of our rear ends since our rear ends don't have tongues or the neccesary muscles for speech. But I understand your point. I was just confused as to how Greeks could disappear. I dropped the issue about making Greece a country quite some time ago, and instead I'm no focused on how exactly Greeks dissappeared from the face of the Earth, according to Tracian.

It's not all that far fetched. Most inhabitants of the Byzantine Empire did indeed view themselves as Roman rather than Greek, even whilst speaking Greek as their principal language. They referred to their country as the Roman Empire (Basileia tōn Rhōmaiōn) or Romania (Rhōmania). It's highly unlikely that a dominant ethnic group of the empire would seek independence from it, unless you ended up with a situation like that in the late Ottoman Empire when the elite came to speak a different language than ordinary Turks and saw themselves as Ottomans whilst the common people saw themselves principally as Turkish- which Tracian has stated is not the case in his Roman Empire. As to how the Greek language disappeared, that is somewhat less realistic. It's much easier to adopt the day-to-day language of a state as its official language than it is to make an official language that is largely used only by the elite and for ceremonial purposes the de facto national tongue. It's not totally beyond the realms of possibility, however- see the spread of Arabic, for example. The idea of "Hellas" could simply have become associated with the idea of "Romania" to the point that there is simply no longer any realistic distinction between the two.

You keep trying to make out that there's somehow some great difference between you saying how Italians would respond to a Roman invasion and GDR saying how Greeks would respond to a Breton attempt to establish an independent Greek state. The fact is that there is no difference whatsoever. You should both just keep your thoughts about how others run their nations to themselves.

Or what? Will you come and throw me in the prison? I have not once had any thoughts about how others run their nation, and I don't see what connection that has with what they are speaking about. Considering that I might attack Christendom sometime in the future, I had a completely normal discussion with other players about that. I'm near Christendom, so a Roman occupation of Italy or a Christen occupation of a part of my territory isn't that impossible.

Then, GDR came and said that he, Brittany, a very far away nation with no kind of connection to the Greeks, would recreate a culture that disappeared centuries ago in the center of my Empire. In order to make a statement like that, I should have presented my intention of recreating the Etruscan civilization in Christendom, the Galic one in France, and the Ancient Egyptian in Egypt.

So you talking about what might happen if you conquered the heart of Christendom is somehow a normal conversation and so fine, but GDR talking about what might happen if he defeated the Roman Empire in a war is somehow different and unacceptable? Just admit your double standard and let the matter rest.

[Of the Quendi]

Wait, has the meeting in petropolis happened yet?

Its ongoing but since only Argentine responded its more like a bilateral meeting then a conference.

But if people start showing up I will definitely do the conference.

1. The nineteenth century was all about the balance of power in Europe. If one power wants to gobble up another European country, other great powers will prevent that. If you're too ambitious, a coalition will immediately form to oppose you.

To be fair the balance of power has been abolished by the establishment of the AEGIS aberration. The international system of Europe now seems to be more similar to the post-Cold War era then the post-Vienna Congress era.

I would even say that Russia would be more Orthodox then in real life, since the Roman Empire/Byzantium's equivalent was much more powerful at the time the christianization of Russia happened.

That directly contrast the application of the previous Russian player who declared Orthodoxy was weak in Russia. Whether Kosovo wants to go with that or not is of course up to him but that certainly hasn't been the case so far.

Besides how would it even be possible for Russia to be more Orthodox then it was in RL 1850?

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Technically, it's pyhsically impossible to be talking out of our rear ends since our rear ends don't have tongues or the neccesary muscles for speech. But I understand your point. I was just confused as to how Greeks could disappear. I dropped the issue about making Greece a country quite some time ago, and instead I'm no focused on how exactly Greeks dissappeared from the face of the Earth, according to Tracian.

It's not all that far fetched. Most inhabitants of the Byzantine Empire did indeed view themselves as Roman rather than Greek, even whilst speaking Greek as their principal language. They referred to their country as the Roman Empire (Basileia tōn Rhōmaiōn) or Romania (Rhōmania). It's highly unlikely that a dominant ethnic group of the empire would seek independence from it, unless you ended up with a situation like that in the late Ottoman Empire when the elite came to speak a different language than ordinary Turks and saw themselves as Ottomans whilst the common people saw themselves principally as Turkish- which Tracian has stated is not the case in his Roman Empire. As to how the Greek language disappeared, that is somewhat less realistic. It's much easier to adopt the day-to-day language of a state as its official language than it is to make an official language that is largely used only by the elite and for ceremonial purposes the de facto national tongue. It's not totally beyond the realms of possibility, however- see the spread of Arabic, for example. The idea of "Hellas" could simply have become associated with the idea of "Romania" to the point that there is simply no longer any realistic distinction between the two.

Or what? Will you come and throw me in the prison? I have not once had any thoughts about how others run their nation, and I don't see what connection that has with what they are speaking about. Considering that I might attack Christendom sometime in the future, I had a completely normal discussion with other players about that. I'm near Christendom, so a Roman occupation of Italy or a Christen occupation of a part of my territory isn't that impossible.

Then, GDR came and said that he, Brittany, a very far away nation with no kind of connection to the Greeks, would recreate a culture that disappeared centuries ago in the center of my Empire. In order to make a statement like that, I should have presented my intention of recreating the Etruscan civilization in Christendom, the Galic one in France, and the Ancient Egyptian in Egypt.

So you talking about what might happen if you conquered the heart of Christendom is somehow a normal conversation and so fine, but GDR talking about what might happen if he defeated the Roman Empire in a war is somehow different and unacceptable? Just admit your double standard and let the matter rest.

I already surrendered my point. Chill, man.

[Kosovo12345]

So let me get this, the greek culture jsut disppeared? All of those thousands of years of culture gone down the drain?

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

So let me get this, the greek culture jsut disppeared? All of those thousands of years of culture gone down the drain?

Apparently yes. I don't get it either, but I'm not arguing anymore, so whatever.

[Tracian Empire]

Technically, it's pyhsically impossible to be talking out of our rear ends since our rear ends don't have tongues or the neccesary muscles for speech. But I understand your point. I was just confused as to how Greeks could disappear. I dropped the issue about making Greece a country quite some time ago, and instead I'm no focused on how exactly Greeks dissappeared from the face of the Earth, according to Tracian.

It's not all that far fetched. Most inhabitants of the Byzantine Empire did indeed view themselves as Roman rather than Greek, even whilst speaking Greek as their principal language. They referred to their country as the Roman Empire (Basileia tōn Rhōmaiōn) or Romania (Rhōmania). It's highly unlikely that a dominant ethnic group of the empire would seek independence from it, unless you ended up with a situation like that in the late Ottoman Empire when the elite came to speak a different language than ordinary Turks and saw themselves as Ottomans whilst the common people saw themselves principally as Turkish- which Tracian has stated is not the case in his Roman Empire. As to how the Greek language disappeared, that is somewhat less realistic. It's much easier to adopt the day-to-day language of a state as its official language than it is to make an official language that is largely used only by the elite and for ceremonial purposes the de facto national tongue. It's not totally beyond the realms of possibility, however- see the spread of Arabic, for example. The idea of "Hellas" could simply have become associated with the idea of "Romania" to the point that there is simply no longer any realistic distinction between the two.

Or what? Will you come and throw me in the prison? I have not once had any thoughts about how others run their nation, and I don't see what connection that has with what they are speaking about. Considering that I might attack Christendom sometime in the future, I had a completely normal discussion with other players about that. I'm near Christendom, so a Roman occupation of Italy or a Christen occupation of a part of my territory isn't that impossible.

Then, GDR came and said that he, Brittany, a very far away nation with no kind of connection to the Greeks, would recreate a culture that disappeared centuries ago in the center of my Empire. In order to make a statement like that, I should have presented my intention of recreating the Etruscan civilization in Christendom, the Galic one in France, and the Ancient Egyptian in Egypt.

So you talking about what might happen if you conquered the heart of Christendom is somehow a normal conversation and so fine, but GDR talking about what might happen if he defeated the Roman Empire in a war is somehow different and unacceptable? Just admit your double standard and let the matter rest.

He was speaking about creating a state of an almost if not totally extinct civilization. As I said, what Is should have stated in order to be on the same level would be intention of creating an Etruscan state into Christendom.

[Tracian Empire]

So let me get this, the greek culture jsut disppeared? All of those thousands of years of culture gone down the drain?

No, it was assimilated into the Roman culture as I said before.

[Vissiland]

Hmm... if Kosovo approved, I don't see why not. But Why that one-province minor state? I mean... Russia, Belgium... and possibly Spain (I forget if he replied... or if I sent one at all...) opening up. I don't think that would be the only choice ^^;;;

I want the rest of the space in South Africa, effectively.

[Tracian Empire]

Wait, has the meeting in petropolis happened yet?

Its ongoing but since only Argentine responded its more like a bilateral meeting then a conference.

But if people start showing up I will definitely do the conference.

1. The nineteenth century was all about the balance of power in Europe. If one power wants to gobble up another European country, other great powers will prevent that. If you're too ambitious, a coalition will immediately form to oppose you.

To be fair the balance of power has been abolished by the establishment of the AEGIS aberration. The international system of Europe now seems to be more similar to the post-Cold War era then the post-Vienna Congress era.

I would even say that Russia would be more Orthodox then in real life, since the Roman Empire/Byzantium's equivalent was much more powerful at the time the christianization of Russia happened.

That directly contrast the application of the previous Russian player who declared Orthodoxy was weak in Russia. Whether Kosovo wants to go with that or not is of course up to him but that certainly hasn't been the case so far.

Besides how would it even be possible for Russia to be more Orthodox then it was in RL 1850?

I don't know, as I haven't carefully read the previous Russian app. Considering the fact that the Roman/Byzantine equivalent Empire here continuing to be a strong state, wouldn't their attempts to convert and religiously keep under the control the Slavic populations in the North be stronger?

[Kosovo12345]

So let me get this, the greek culture jsut disppeared? All of those thousands of years of culture gone down the drain?

No, it was assimilated into the Roman culture as I said before.

so the Greeks willing lost their culture to Roman culture? So all of Greece is now Roman? No more Greeks? I cant believe greeks would accept that, even if most did. I would believe this would cause some anger and for maybe Greek islands to try to save their culture. And if not, i think it requires a long post in IC to jusfity it

[Old Tyrannia]

I already surrendered my point. Chill, man.

Why are you being so defensive? I was just trying to help explain how Greek identity could have disappeared, since you seemed to want to know. I'm only trying to be helpful. If I'm being hostile to anyone it's to Tracian, and that's because of his adamant to refusal to admit his fault.

So let me get this, the greek culture jsut disppeared? All of those thousands of years of culture gone down the drain?

See my post on the matter. It's not really so far fetched; in fact, it almost happened historically.

Wait, has the meeting in petropolis happened yet?

Its ongoing but since only Argentine responded its more like a bilateral meeting then a conference.

But if people start showing up I will definitely do the conference.

1. The nineteenth century was all about the balance of power in Europe. If one power wants to gobble up another European country, other great powers will prevent that. If you're too ambitious, a coalition will immediately form to oppose you.

To be fair the balance of power has been abolished by the establishment of the AEGIS aberration. The international system of Europe now seems to be more similar to the post-Cold War era then the post-Vienna Congress era.

I would even say that Russia would be more Orthodox then in real life, since the Roman Empire/Byzantium's equivalent was much more powerful at the time the christianization of Russia happened.

That directly contrast the application of the previous Russian player who declared Orthodoxy was weak in Russia. Whether Kosovo wants to go with that or not is of course up to him but that certainly hasn't been the case so far.

Besides how would it even be possible for Russia to be more Orthodox then it was in RL 1850?

Quendi, did you see the letter to Brazil in my last IC post? I just want to make sure you didn't miss it.

[Of the Quendi]

So let me get this, the greek culture jsut disppeared? All of those thousands of years of culture gone down the drain?

Improbable but not at all impossible. Plenty of ancient and illustrious cultures has died out. The Romans to take the most obvious and to this discussion relevant example.

I don't know, as I haven't carefully read the previous Russian app. Considering the fact that the Roman/Byzantine equivalent Empire here continuing to be a strong state, wouldn't their attempts to convert and religiously keep under the control the Slavic populations in the North be stronger?

Or the exact reverse might have happened. Claiming succession to the Orthodox Eastern Empire and fighting the infidel Ottomans may have spurred on religiosity in Russia in a way peaceful relations with a stable Orthodox Empire might not. Ultimately its up to the player who RP Russia to define how the religion of his/hers country would be effected.

[Tracian Empire]

No, it was assimilated into the Roman culture as I said before.

so the Greeks willing lost their culture to Roman culture? So all of Greece is now Roman? No more Greeks? I cant believe greeks would accept that, even if most did. I would believe this would cause some anger and for maybe Greek islands to try to save their culture. And if not, i think it requires a long post in IC to jusfity it

First, it was the base of my alternate history. I don't need any IC post to explain it.


Then, even some people would have resisted to this assimilation that practically created a Roman-Greek culture in that area, they would have long been gone after 1200 years.

[Of the Quendi]

Quendi, did you see the letter to Brazil in my last IC post? I just want to make sure you didn't miss it.

Yes of course. I am working on a long post responding to the letter from you, the visit of the Dutch ambassador and negotiations with the Argentinian president. Hopefully I will finish it all tonight, if not I will post what I have, which would include my already ready reply to the Kampaku's letter.

[Kosovo12345]

so the Greeks willing lost their culture to Roman culture? So all of Greece is now Roman? No more Greeks? I cant believe greeks would accept that, even if most did. I would believe this would cause some anger and for maybe Greek islands to try to save their culture. And if not, i think it requires a long post in IC to jusfity it

First, it was the base of my alternate history. I don't need any IC post to explain it.


Then, even some people would have resisted to this assimilation that practically created a Roman-Greek culture in that area, they would have long been gone after 1200 years.

since im not rome or greece myself, i honestly dont know why i still care about this, so kk

[Old Tyrannia]

I don't know, as I haven't carefully read the previous Russian app. Considering the fact that the Roman/Byzantine equivalent Empire here continuing to be a strong state, wouldn't their attempts to convert and religiously keep under the control the Slavic populations in the North be stronger?

Or the exact reverse might have happened. Claiming succession to the Orthodox Eastern Empire and fighting the infidel Ottomans may have spurred on religiosity in Russia in a way peaceful relations with a stable Orthodox Empire might not. Ultimately its up to the player who RP Russia to define how the religion of his/hers country would be effected.

You know what would be cool? If Vladimir the Great of Kiev had chosen Judaism rather than Orthodox Christianity as the religion of his people in 987, leading to a principally Jewish Russian Empire in the modern day. It happened in Khazaria, so I don't see how Russia couldn't have gone down the same path.

Quendi, did you see the letter to Brazil in my last IC post? I just want to make sure you didn't miss it.

Yes of course. I am working on a long post responding to the letter from you, the visit of the Dutch ambassador and negotiations with the Argentinian president. Hopefully I will finish it all tonight, if not I will post what I have, which would include my already ready reply to the Kampaku's letter.

Great, don't feel the need to rush. I just wanted to make sure you didn't miss it.

[Gurland empire]

Ima just be a bistander here but I will speak my thoughts based on the points that stated in the rp rules all things can be possible in your guidence if explained Romen empire did this and therefore according to the rules it is 100% possible and did happen therefore there are no Greeks or rather people that call them selves Greeks in Romeit's like people in the U.S. Calling th selves Americans not Germans or Italians there American first German second same in Rome their roman first Greek second.

And at this point no one has attacked anyone so all of the what if this happens in the war is irrelevant because there is no war right now you wanna know what happens start a war then you'll find out instead of a pissing contest between countries.

And maybe a Greek state could be created but the point is it doesn't matter because he doesn't own Greece so why is there an argument but on the DL I have liked how active it is now XD

[In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam]

so much new posts...

[Tracian Empire]

Or the exact reverse might have happened. Claiming succession to the Orthodox Eastern Empire and fighting the infidel Ottomans may have spurred on religiosity in Russia in a way peaceful relations with a stable Orthodox Empire might not. Ultimately its up to the player who RP Russia to define how the religion of his/hers country would be effected.

You know what would be cool? If Vladimir the Great of Kiev had chosen Judaism rather than Orthodox Christianity as the religion of his people in 987, leading to a principally Jewish Russian Empire in the modern day. It happened in Khazaria, so I don't see how Russia couldn't have gone down the same path.

Yes of course. I am working on a long post responding to the letter from you, the visit of the Dutch ambassador and negotiations with the Argentinian president. Hopefully I will finish it all tonight, if not I will post what I have, which would include my already ready reply to the Kampaku's letter.

Great, don't feel the need to rush. I just wanted to make sure you didn't miss it.

Of course, that would provoke many changes for Russia, including no use of the Cyrillic alphabet.

[Old Tyrannia]

You know what would be cool? If Vladimir the Great of Kiev had chosen Judaism rather than Orthodox Christianity as the religion of his people in 987, leading to a principally Jewish Russian Empire in the modern day. It happened in Khazaria, so I don't see how Russia couldn't have gone down the same path.

Great, don't feel the need to rush. I just wanted to make sure you didn't miss it.

Of course, that would provoke many changes for Russia, including no use of the Cyrillic alphabet.

Russia could still have adopted Cyrillic in order to facilitate easier communications with their Christian neighbours. Or they could use Hebrew script, I suppose.

[Second Helghan Empire]

I get it that you want the city for political legitimacy. That's fine. My point is that Catholics won't flock to your banner. For the sake of argument, let's say that Byzantium has flawless victory in its war, and you annex Italy. Catholics will resist to maintain their religious traditions. Expect commoners to stubbornly maintain their cultural practices. The only people who will recognize the new 'pope' are sycophants. And plenty of governments will support religious and nationalist guerrillas in Italy. Best case scenario for Byzantium: your war resembles Bush's 2003 invasion of Iraq - months of conventional war followed by YEARS of hopeless, unwinnable, sectarian guerrilla wars. And you can bet Constantinople that Catholic governments would bankroll and support the resistance.


Why would other countries oppose Byzantine expansion? Lots of reasons

1. The nineteenth century was all about the balance of power in Europe. If one power wants to gobble up another European country, other great powers will prevent that. If you're too ambitious, a coalition will immediately form to oppose you.
2. You're not the only jingoistic country in Europe. We all have ambitious generals, sleazy arms manufacturers, and profit-hungry bankers who want a big war. And then there's the coalition of religious conservatives and left-wing republicans who would jump at the opportunity to defeat an Orthodox monarchy.
3. We all have our religious populations. Catholic governments will gain legitimacy from defending Italy from heretics. Even secular France wants religious legitimacy. The #1 opponent of the Second French Republic is the Roman Catholic Church. If France saves the RCC, then domestic politics stabilizes considerably. France will have placated the monarchists, and it will only have to worry about Blanquists.
4. Simple rivalry. Byzantium controls an important part of Europe. By cutting Byzantium down to size, France can give provinces to countries it has good relations with.
5. The French Army wants practice. It's been years since France engaged in a major war in Europe.

That's true. but that's not how foreign jingoistic newspapers will portray the conflict. French press will say that it's civilized Catholics versus Orthodox barbarians. And I bet we won't be your only opponents.

First of all, I would like not to be called Byzantium, as I am not the Byzantine Empire, I am the Roman Empire, with the capital in Constantinople, also called the New Rome.


Then.

1. Considering the alternative history, the Italians are practically also Romans, or at least very similar, as many of the barbarian invasions in real life never happened. I don't think that they would be so opposed to the Romans, which are practically their eastern brothers, especially because of the freedom and democracy of the Roman Empire. It's not like I will attack a completely foreign people.
2. Right now, there is no Italy. There is only the Kingdom of Chistendom, which means that Italian, nonreligious nationalists might exist. I could use that in my favor.
3. Once they will become Roman citizens, they will be able to continue their religious, and cultural traditions. As long as you are a citizen of the Empire, and you don't openly oppose the Emperor, you are the more free then in many nations around the globe.
4. Considering that with what I said above, I will eliminate most of the reasons for rebellion,I don't think that I will have many problems with taking control over Italy. Many people would probably like more to live, wither in the Roman province of Italia, where they would be able to elect their own Governor and Provincial Senate, or in the Roman vassal state of Regnum Italica, with the same advantages, then in the religious fanatic and authoritarian Kingdom of Christendom.
5. In a war only between me, and you,after a hypothetical fall of Christendom, you won't have a guaranteed victory. You are basing all your arguments on the support of the other Catholic nations. The only other Catholic nations in Europe are Brittany and Belgium, who are kinda far from Italy, don't you think?


The best thing for me to do is to align myself with the enemies of France and Christendom. Maybe France's little Muslim neighbor?

Sir you jump to conclusions rather hastily, I have reread Christendom's app, and there are major flaws to your logic.

A. He says that the Kingdom of Christendom was originally Italy. Therefore his culture would remain as Italian. As foryour belief that the people of Italy see your men as their eastern brethren, that is foolish, they haven't identified with a roman empire for over 4 centuries.

B. Other nations are required by their alliance agreements to defend Christendom from your military assault. These Include,
France, Cambria, Belgium, Brittany, Hansa, and Austroasia. Should you attack one nation the rest of this coalition would crush you even if you had Russia and Andalus as Allies.

C.I highly doubt you could take Christendom 1v1 in the first place. He has a larger more advanced military, and a stronger economy if that guidance is accepted by Oscal.

D. Seriously face it when it comes to war you should avoid one with christendom.

E. If Russia becomes a Jewish nation, then Russia would most likely support Christendom's defense of Jerusalem against your planned attack, you would be surrounded and crushed.

[Tracian Empire]

First of all, I would like not to be called Byzantium, as I am not the Byzantine Empire, I am the Roman Empire, with the capital in Constantinople, also called the New Rome.


Then.

1. Considering the alternative history, the Italians are practically also Romans, or at least very similar, as many of the barbarian invasions in real life never happened. I don't think that they would be so opposed to the Romans, which are practically their eastern brothers, especially because of the freedom and democracy of the Roman Empire. It's not like I will attack a completely foreign people.
2. Right now, there is no Italy. There is only the Kingdom of Chistendom, which means that Italian, nonreligious nationalists might exist. I could use that in my favor.
3. Once they will become Roman citizens, they will be able to continue their religious, and cultural traditions. As long as you are a citizen of the Empire, and you don't openly oppose the Emperor, you are the more free then in many nations around the globe.
4. Considering that with what I said above, I will eliminate most of the reasons for rebellion,I don't think that I will have many problems with taking control over Italy. Many people would probably like more to live, wither in the Roman province of Italia, where they would be able to elect their own Governor and Provincial Senate, or in the Roman vassal state of Regnum Italica, with the same advantages, then in the religious fanatic and authoritarian Kingdom of Christendom.
5. In a war only between me, and you,after a hypothetical fall of Christendom, you won't have a guaranteed victory. You are basing all your arguments on the support of the other Catholic nations. The only other Catholic nations in Europe are Brittany and Belgium, who are kinda far from Italy, don't you think?


The best thing for me to do is to align myself with the enemies of France and Christendom. Maybe France's little Muslim neighbor?

Sir you jump to conclusions rather hastily, I have reread Christendom's app, and there are major flaws to your logic.

A. He says that the Kingdom of Christendom was originally Italy. Therefore his culture would remain as Italian. As foryour belief that the people of Italy see your men as their eastern brethren, that is foolish, they haven't identified with a roman empire for over 4 centuries.

B. Other nations are required by their alliance agreements to defend Christendom from your military assault. These Include,
France, Cambria, Belgium, Brittany, Hansa, and Austroasia. Should you attack one nation the rest of this coalition would crush you even if you had Russia and Andalus as Allies.

C.I highly doubt you could take Christendom 1v1 in the first place. He has a larger more advanced military, and a stronger economy if that guidance is accepted by Oscal.

D. Seriously face it when it comes to war you should avoid one with christendom.

E. If Russia becomes a Jewish nation, then Russia would most likely support Christendom's defense of Jerusalem against your planned attack, you would be surrounded and crushed.

It seems that some people really can't let it go.

From his history:496 C.E. Last Roman Emperor is overthrown by Odaecer. He attempts to rule Rome but fails. Rome and Most of Italy is thrown into Chaos and it seems western civilization may be forgotten for a time, The only stable locations are four areas in southern Italy that conatin decent sized East Roman military forces, under orders to eventually pave the way for the Eastern empire to take Rome.
498 C.E. Remaining Western Roman forces culminate into the Last Legion of Rome (Only West Rome of course) and seek East Rome's aide to keep Italy from falling fully to the Barbarians East rome participates in promise that italy will become a vassal
504 C.E. Roman soldiers have been fighting almost continuously for six years but unite Southern and Central Italy and lay siege to the now Ostrogoth controlled Rome.
505 C.E. Rome falls to Roman troops. They Begin work to rebuild atleast some of the city.
507 C.E. Roman Commander Marcus Sabinus renames the Nation Italy stating that the Roman Empire carried too much corruption and bad blood with it. He forges a close friendship with the Papacy for refusing to allow the collapse of Rome. He makes an official promise that once unified the Kingdom of Italy will become a Vassal of Constantinople

Italy was created when the Western Roman remains changed their name. So, they won't be equal to the real life Italians.

If the Italians are considering the Romans as their brethren is ultimately that player's choice. However, the Romans are considering the Italians their Western brethren.

Then, about the coalition. Everything I said was purposely ignoring the coalition, because in my personal opinion, that coalition is not only just impossible to be created at this time of the history, but it's also highly unjust, as it blocks any possible wars in Europe.

I wouldn't necessarily say that he has a stronger economy. I am a trade gate between Europe and Asia. Byzantium was the wealthiest state in Europe for a long time because of a good reason.

Then, population. My population was a vague approximation, since no one helped me. I strongly believe that more people should live in the Empire, but that's the OP's choice.

And then, hasn't the OP said that not the numbers, but the RP quality are important?

[Kosovo12345]

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