1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[Soviet Chernarus]

You know? Here's OP's attention. What exactly are you planning with that lands? I mean... I have to draw the line somewhere, and this RP is very full. What will you do with the territories?

Create the Alaska Republic, then try to secure lands further south through diplomacy and war I also want to secure all of modern day Canada

Who would have colonized you? Russia doesn't own Siberia in this ATL

[New Rnclave]

Create the Alaska Republic, then try to secure lands further south through diplomacy and war I also want to secure all of modern day Canada

Who would have colonized you? Russia doesn't own Siberia in this ATL

Russia still could have, boats and shit

[Epraria]

So would anyone be ok with an Egypto-Arabian caliphate thingy? If it's to much just tell me and i'll decrease the territories.

Dude, we could definitely use some Arabic nations.

However... everyone seems to be shotgunning for Egypt, which makes me think that giving that land to you would upset a lot of folks. minus Egypt, and you have yourself a case. It is in good time, too, since we DEFINITELY need more Islam now that Ottoman is not here in our AH XDDD

But Egypt centered Caliphate
But if that's what you want ok.

[Oscalantine]

You know? Here's OP's attention. What exactly are you planning with that lands? I mean... I have to draw the line somewhere, and this RP is very full. What will you do with the territories?

Create the Alaska Republic, then try to secure lands further south through diplomacy and war I also want to secure all of modern day Canada

... not convincing enough yet. Can you tell me a bit about what the history will be? Point of divergence, etc?

The main problem is that I have been in a fair bit of AHs, but I have yet to see a alaskan federation in 1850-ish timeset. And... to be frank, too many already-accepted people are gunning for this claim that I am hesitant to give to anyone.

[Oscalantine]

Dude, we could definitely use some Arabic nations.

However... everyone seems to be shotgunning for Egypt, which makes me think that giving that land to you would upset a lot of folks. minus Egypt, and you have yourself a case. It is in good time, too, since we DEFINITELY need more Islam now that Ottoman is not here in our AH XDDD

But Egypt centered Caliphate
But if that's what you want ok.

Sorry ^^;;; I really think that if I started giving that territory, but Rome would be at my case. And... if I have learned my history lesson, it would be to dont fuck with the romans XDDD

[New Rnclave]

Create the Alaska Republic, then try to secure lands further south through diplomacy and war I also want to secure all of modern day Canada

... not convincing enough yet. Can you tell me a bit about what the history will be? Point of divergence, etc?

The main problem is that I have been in a fair bit of AHs, but I have yet to see a alaskan federation in 1850-ish timeset. And... to be frank, too many already-accepted people are gunning for this claim that I am hesitant to give to anyone.

Basically, Russia, or whoever we have colonize that region, puts greater interest in it's colony, due to the successful North American colonies, putting a greater focus on immigration there, as well as building up trading posts and towns.

[Soviet Chernarus]

... not convincing enough yet. Can you tell me a bit about what the history will be? Point of divergence, etc?

The main problem is that I have been in a fair bit of AHs, but I have yet to see a alaskan federation in 1850-ish timeset. And... to be frank, too many already-accepted people are gunning for this claim that I am hesitant to give to anyone.

Basically, Russia, or whoever we have colonize that region, puts greater interest in it's colony, due to the successful North American colonies, putting a greater focus on immigration there, as well as building up trading posts and towns.

East Asia is on par with the Europeans in this alternate history, so you would probably be colonized by Koreans/Golden Khanate (basically covering China)/Japan

[Epraria]

But Egypt centered Caliphate
But if that's what you want ok.

Sorry ^^;;; I really think that if I started giving that territory, but Rome would be at my case. And... if I have learned my history lesson, it would be to dont fuck with the romans XDDD

I think he said he would be ok with me controlling Egypt.

[New Rnclave]

Basically, Russia, or whoever we have colonize that region, puts greater interest in it's colony, due to the successful North American colonies, putting a greater focus on immigration there, as well as building up trading posts and towns.

East Asia is on par with the Europeans in this alternate history, so you would probably be colonized by Koreans/Golden Khanate (basically covering China)/Japan

Hmm, maybe

[Soviet Chernarus]

East Asia is on par with the Europeans in this alternate history, so you would probably be colonized by Koreans/Golden Khanate (basically covering China)/Japan

Hmm, maybe

Except it probably wouldn't be called Alaska.

[Oscalantine]

Sorry ^^;;; I really think that if I started giving that territory, but Rome would be at my case. And... if I have learned my history lesson, it would be to dont fuck with the romans XDDD

I think he said he would be ok with me controlling Egypt.

Really, the Catholic League, which asked for Egypt which I said "NO~!!" to... and Roman Empire, who essentially is waiting for the RP to start so he can colonize Egypt, its considered priority region? Seriously? Both of them? I need written proof that this was the case.

Oh and just in case you were... Israel is still Jewish territory in our AH due to Guidance system. In our AH, Jerusalem isn't Islam holy city, because the Temple of Jerusalem never fell, and Dome of Rock subsequently was never placed on the temple ruins. Thought you may also want to know that.

[Oscalantine]

East Asia is on par with the Europeans in this alternate history, so you would probably be colonized by Koreans/Golden Khanate (basically covering China)/Japan

Hmm, maybe

Hmmm.... maybe indeed.

I know that Korea is colonizing to the Spice Islands, so he had no business with North America. Maybe Japan? But why would Japanese give up Alaskan territory when it would be their only colony?

The historical background... seems... to be super weak. ... ... ...
I guess you could be the native population pushing back the advancing Europeans, allying with the right people, and trying to secure your ancestral homeland against aggression. I dunno if there was enough natives for that, but it is a thought.

[Epraria]

I think he said he would be ok with me controlling Egypt.

Really, the Catholic League, which asked for Egypt which I said "NO~!!" to... and Roman Empire, who essentially is waiting for the RP to start so he can colonize Egypt, its considered priority region? Seriously? Both of them? I need written proof that this was the case.

Oh and just in case you were... Israel is still Jewish territory in our AH due to Guidance system. In our AH, Jerusalem isn't Islam holy city, because the Temple of Jerusalem never fell, and Dome of Rock subsequently was never placed on the temple ruins. Thought you may also want to know that.

Just because the temple of Jerusalem fell doesn't mean Islam would not consider it a holy city. Islam is still an Abrahamic religion and Jerusalem has a lot of religious things in it. as for Roman colonization of Egypt can i just say that it would not be as simple as the European colonization of Africa. Egypt in 1850 alone had some 7-8 million-ish people and they would not enjoy Rome coming in and colonizing stuff. I mean even when Britain controlled Egypt it was at the height of British power as a world power and dominance at the sea and Egypt still had a lot of Autonomy.

[Soviet Chernarus]

Hmm, maybe

Hmmm.... maybe indeed.

I know that Korea is colonizing to the Spice Islands, so he had no business with North America. Maybe Japan? But why would Japanese give up Alaskan territory when it would be their only colony?

The historical background... seems... to be super weak. ... ... ...
I guess you could be the native population pushing back the advancing Europeans, allying with the right people, and trying to secure your ancestral homeland against aggression. I dunno if there was enough natives for that, but it is a thought.

Japan wouldn't give up Alaska. There would be a revolution or rebellion forcing Japan to give it up

[Tracian Empire]

Really, the Catholic League, which asked for Egypt which I said "NO~!!" to... and Roman Empire, who essentially is waiting for the RP to start so he can colonize Egypt, its considered priority region? Seriously? Both of them? I need written proof that this was the case.

Oh and just in case you were... Israel is still Jewish territory in our AH due to Guidance system. In our AH, Jerusalem isn't Islam holy city, because the Temple of Jerusalem never fell, and Dome of Rock subsequently was never placed on the temple ruins. Thought you may also want to know that.

Just because the temple of Jerusalem fell doesn't mean Islam would not consider it a holy city. Islam is still an Abrahamic religion and Jerusalem has a lot of religious things in it. as for Roman colonization of Egypt can i just say that it would not be as simple as the European colonization of Africa. Egypt in 1850 alone had some 7-8 million-ish people and they would not enjoy Rome coming in and colonizing stuff. I mean even when Britain controlled Egypt it was at the height of British power as a world power and dominance at the sea and Egypt still had a lot of Autonomy.

Well, at least according to what we made, I think Egypt was supposedly a Roman vassal state for a while. As I said, I would love to have a chance to try to colonize Egypt, even if I would probably end up giving them a lot of autonomy. Of course, if you want to have it, I'm not going to be the annoying guy that destroys your possible nation. You can have it.

[In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam]

Seems alright, I guess.

Yo Russia, have you thought about my offer yet?

1) side with the Mongols who will probably contest your Siberian claim and have yourself one heck of angsty Korean on your eastern coast.

2) side with the Koreans who will help you in a pincer attack should Mongols contest your Siberian claim, plus you have an eastern ally with powerful navy that can help you with inevitable conflict with the Japanese?

Option 1 or 2?

Or my deal
Full military alliance. You get all of siberia, and half of the Shai. I'll help you out in any european wars. And working with me, the japanese won't eve think about attacking.
Cause i really don't care about Siberia.
All i want is SE Asia, and Central Asia... and india....

[Atramentar]

I received this TG from New Byzantine II: "Feel free to take Japan because I'm very inactive in that RP due to school. Japan is now yours, my love."

If I may... could you explain a bit more about Ninko Restoration. It seems REALLY unique event that I want to learn more about it ^^

It's basically the Meiji Restoration but thirty years sooner.

[Oscalantine]

Really, the Catholic League, which asked for Egypt which I said "NO~!!" to... and Roman Empire, who essentially is waiting for the RP to start so he can colonize Egypt, its considered priority region? Seriously? Both of them? I need written proof that this was the case.

Oh and just in case you were... Israel is still Jewish territory in our AH due to Guidance system. In our AH, Jerusalem isn't Islam holy city, because the Temple of Jerusalem never fell, and Dome of Rock subsequently was never placed on the temple ruins. Thought you may also want to know that.

Just because the temple of Jerusalem fell doesn't mean Islam would not consider it a holy city. Islam is still an Abrahamic religion and Jerusalem has a lot of religious things in it. as for Roman colonization of Egypt can i just say that it would not be as simple as the European colonization of Africa. Egypt in 1850 alone had some 7-8 million-ish people and they would not enjoy Rome coming in and colonizing stuff. I mean even when Britain controlled Egypt it was at the height of British power as a world power and dominance at the sea and Egypt still had a lot of Autonomy.

I am reading up on Islamic significance for Jerusalem, and I now realize that the city's association with the prophets alone would make it a holy cite.

However, do keep in mind that Prophet Muhammad probably ascended somewhere else... or rather, the Dome of the Rock would not be in Jerusalem since the Temple of God would not have been destroyed, and thus no temple cite for this religious beacon. Furthermore, with Jews still in control of entire Israel (kingdom of Israel still lives by some miraculous chance... you can conquer it if you so wish in IC, but not start off as a claim) and they will not permit any heretical religion access... which makes me wonder if Christians can go to Jerusalem, since Judaism does not recognize Jesus as the messiah.

Regardless, I do understand this. However... and again... it isn't as much historical claim as much as it is heatedly contested area, and I cannot give to any one person due to fairness. It really is something that I am treading carefully... similar to that Canada land up north (for whatever reason), Egypt is just too much of everyone's ambitions for me to give out lightly ^^;;; sorry 'bout that.

[Oscalantine]

Yo Russia, have you thought about my offer yet?

1) side with the Mongols who will probably contest your Siberian claim and have yourself one heck of angsty Korean on your eastern coast.

2) side with the Koreans who will help you in a pincer attack should Mongols contest your Siberian claim, plus you have an eastern ally with powerful navy that can help you with inevitable conflict with the Japanese?

Option 1 or 2?

Or my deal
Full military alliance. You get all of siberia, and half of the Shai. I'll help you out in any european wars. And working with me, the japanese won't eve think about attacking.
Cause i really don't care about Siberia.
All i want is SE Asia, and Central Asia... and india....

The ambitions has been revealed! Quick, France! I needz you!!! (/joke... half joke)

[Atramentar]

Yo Russia, have you thought about my offer yet?

1) side with the Mongols who will probably contest your Siberian claim and have yourself one heck of angsty Korean on your eastern coast.

2) side with the Koreans who will help you in a pincer attack should Mongols contest your Siberian claim, plus you have an eastern ally with powerful navy that can help you with inevitable conflict with the Japanese?

Option 1 or 2?

Or my deal
Full military alliance. You get all of siberia, and half of the Shai. I'll help you out in any european wars. And working with me, the japanese won't eve think about attacking.
Cause i really don't care about Siberia.
All i want is SE Asia, and Central Asia... and india....

The Japanese are interested in allying with the Khanate and Siberia, and whomever is controlling Malaysia. Mutual defense and outward expansion.

[Oscalantine]

I received this TG from New Byzantine II: "Feel free to take Japan because I'm very inactive in that RP due to school. Japan is now yours, my love."

If I may... could you explain a bit more about Ninko Restoration. It seems REALLY unique event that I want to learn more about it ^^

It's basically the Meiji Restoration but thirty years sooner.

Really? I mean... we are technically westernized. I would have liked something more than "Imperial Japan starts sooner!" stuff.

Since I already accepted, I am still holding true to that... but disappointed that it isn't anything more interesting. What is exactly different about your Japan and IRL Japan besides it got imperial faster?

[Oscalantine]

Or my deal
Full military alliance. You get all of siberia, and half of the Shai. I'll help you out in any european wars. And working with me, the japanese won't eve think about attacking.
Cause i really don't care about Siberia.
All i want is SE Asia, and Central Asia... and india....

The Japanese are interested in allying with the Khanate and Siberia, and whomever is controlling Malaysia. Mutual defense and outward expansion.

That would be Korea... which is me atm.

All the more reason why I thought I would see a stronger japan. I mean... I vamped East Asia SO much with my Guidance that I would have liked to see Japan coming in with guns blazing, but instead I saw barely ready imperial power.

But I digress. I am always willing to find allies to check the Mongols. I need them off my back so that I can keep my colonial ambition alive.

[Tracian Empire]

If I would be allowed to try to colonize Egypt, I would try to take the coast first, and then slowly advance. Everyone that will pledge their loyalty to the Emperor will become a Roman citizen, with full rights, like any other citizen. The Muslims will have the right to practice their own religion, even if I would try to convert them to Orthodoxy.

[In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam]

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that would be the deal, Russia.
I actually don't really care about Vietnam. France can have it.

[Oscalantine]

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Just because the temple of Jerusalem fell doesn't mean Islam would not consider it a holy city. Islam is still an Abrahamic religion and Jerusalem has a lot of religious things in it. as for Roman colonization of Egypt can i just say that it would not be as simple as the European colonization of Africa. Egypt in 1850 alone had some 7-8 million-ish people and they would not enjoy Rome coming in and colonizing stuff. I mean even when Britain controlled Egypt it was at the height of British power as a world power and dominance at the sea and Egypt still had a lot of Autonomy.

Well, at least according to what we made, I think Egypt was supposedly a Roman vassal state for a while. As I said, I would love to have a chance to try to colonize Egypt, even if I would probably end up giving them a lot of autonomy. Of course, if you want to have it, I'm not going to be the annoying guy that destroys your possible nation. You can have it.

I am not giving Egypt to anyone at the gate. It would make SUCH an interesting IC event that just giving them to anyone ruins the fun of it. XDDD

No... seriously. You have been singing at me about it, Italy almost convinced me. Now with the Islamic sultanate, the set is complete. I want this to be part of an event, dammit!!!