Guns, Drums and Steel [OOC|Open]

[Caltarania]

Just for reference you'd be Austria on our map, as that's the lands we've previously accepted Austria with. The claims are similar but not entirely so. You will also want to look over the last Austrian app we accepted as things like population and military I doubt will change.

For further reference, you lost the First War of Italian Indepdence to me and France following successful revolutions in 1848 in the Habsburg states everywhere but Venice. I own all of Lombardy and a nice chunk of Venetia. The war ended at some point in 1851 with the Treaty of Whocares which gave me Lombardy and the part of Venetia I grabbed and also allowed the rebelling central Italian states to join up with Sardinia. Since we had France we beat you pretty nicely, so that should be taken into consideration.

Also ICly the Russians invited you to join the League of Emperors with the Prussians, so you'll likely be interested to know that.

Would it be OK, if because of the loss of Lombardy if I started to liberalise Austria. More like Germany of 1914 with separate states and an elected parliament?

No. We've been through this before ;_;

Ensue liberal reforms through the course of the RP if you must, but off the bat no more than limited local administration by natives.

[Elepis]

Would it be OK, if because of the loss of Lombardy if I started to liberalise Austria. More like Germany of 1914 with separate states and an elected parliament?

No. We've been through this before ;_;

Ensue liberal reforms through the course of the RP if you must, but off the bat no more than limited local administration by natives.

Okay

[Reatra]

I tried to start an IC post but ended up on ifunny for two hours and now it's 2:08


Damnit.

[Elepis]

Generic Info
Nation Name: The Empire of Austria | Austriae Imperio | Kaiserreich Österreich
Symbols: Flag | Crest |
Population: 35,787,000
Location/Claims: This.
Capital City: Vienna

Government Info
Government Type: Absolute Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: The Emperor and his Reichstag have absolute jurisdiction over the Empire. Besides that, the local Crownlands have some legislative independence through the Landstände (estates) assemblies of local landowners.
Ideology: Monarchism, "Austrianism" (Essentially an Austrian version of Ottomanism), Imperialism, Traditional Conservatism, Old Order.
Leader/s: Head of State: Emperor Karl-Joseph von Habsburg
Head of Government:Minister-President Prince Felix of Schwarzenberg

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: A conglomeration of Austrian Germans, Hungarians, Slavs, Romanians, and Italians .
Religion: Officially, the Empire is Catholic, but the government tends to not care who you worship as long as you are loyal and pay taxes.
Ethnicity: Austrian Germans, Slavs, Romanians, Hungarians and Italians
Main Culture: Austrian German
Accepted Cultures: Hungarian
Other Cultures: Slavic cultures, Italian, Romanian

Military Info
Army: 350,870

• Austrian Imperial Army (West):
• 196,829 Men
• 57,860 Horses
• 1,000 Artillery pieces

• Austrian Imperial Army (East):
• 161,041 Men
• 48,312 Horses
• 1,000 Artillery pieces

Navy:

• Austrian Imperial Navy:
• 4 Steam Frigates
• 5 paddle gunboats
• 6 sail Corvettes
• 5 sail Brigs

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Industrial in the main cities, agricultural everywhere else.
Goals: Preserve Empire, Industrialize fully, expand prestige.
History: Pretty much the same except that the Romanian principalities were incorporated during the Austrian-Ottoman wars and the Empire was trounced in a war against the Sardinians and French, and forced to relinquish Lombardia. This war coincided with a general rising of the non-german populations of the Empire, and a civil war between the nationalist Slavic Front and the loyalists. The Austrian Civil War ended shortly after the loss of Lombardia, when the troops from the Italian Fraont swept into the rebellious areas, crushing the militias of the Slavic Front. The troops went further, however, and invaded and annexed the centers of South Slavic nationalism - Bosnia and Serbia. There sates were official incorporated into the Empire as the Crown-land of Serbia in 1852.

After the Civil War, the Emperor and the Reichstag (namely Prince Felix) convened on a way to avoid another civil war. The conference lasted for days, but the decision was reached that the Magyars - who had made up the bulk of the Loyalist forces in the East, would be elevated to the level of Austrian Germans within the empire, and allow Magyar delegates into the Reichstag. The conference also agreed to meet every year to adapt the Empire to whatever conditions that had emerged from within, or threats from without.
RP Sample: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=347669&sid=673a2ca04807fbf224dc9bd4e858cc1b
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

[Caltarania]

Generic Info
Nation Name: The Empire of Austria | Austriae Imperio | Kaiserreich Österreich
Symbols: Flag | Crest |
Population: 35,787,000
Location/Claims: This.
Capital City: Vienna

Government Info
Government Type: Absolute Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: The Emperor and his Reichstag have absolute jurisdiction over the Empire. Besides that, the local Crownlands have some legislative independence through the Landstände (estates) assemblies of local landowners.
Ideology: Monarchism, "Austrianism" (Essentially an Austrian version of Ottomanism), Imperialism, Traditional Conservatism, Old Order.
Leader/s: Head of State: Emperor Karl-Joseph von Habsburg
Head of Government:Minister-President Prince Felix of Schwarzenberg

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: A conglomeration of Austrian Germans, Hungarians, Slavs, Romanians, and Italians .
Religion: Officially, the Empire is Catholic, but the government tends to not care who you worship as long as you are loyal and pay taxes.
Ethnicity: Austrian Germans, Slavs, Romanians, Hungarians and Italians
Main Culture: Austrian German
Accepted Cultures: Hungarian
Other Cultures: Slavic cultures, Italian, Romanian

Military Info
Army: 350,870

• Austrian Imperial Army (West):
• 196,829 Men
• 57,860 Horses
• 1,000 Artillery pieces

• Austrian Imperial Army (East):
• 161,041 Men
• 48,312 Horses
• 1,000 Artillery pieces

Navy:

• Austrian Imperial Navy:
• 2 Man-o-War
• 13 Frigates
• 12 Transport Ships

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Industrial in the main cities, agricultural everywhere else.
Goals: Preserve Empire, Industrialize fully, expand prestige.
History: Pretty much the same except that the Romanian principalities were incorporated during the Austrian-Ottoman wars and the Empire was trounced in a war against the Sardinians and French, and forced to relinquish Lombardia. This war coincided with a general rising of the non-german populations of the Empire, and a civil war between the nationalist Slavic Front and the loyalists. The Austrian Civil War ended shortly after the loss of Lombardia, when the troops from the Italian Fraont swept into the rebellious areas, crushing the militias of the Slavic Front. The troops went further, however, and invaded and annexed the centers of South Slavic nationalism - Bosnia and Serbia. There sates were official incorporated into the Empire as the Crown-land of Serbia in 1852.

After the Civil War, the Emperor and the Reichstag (name Prince Felix) convened on a way to avoid another civil war. The conference lasted for days, but the decision was reached that the Magyars - who had made up the bulk of the Loyalist forces in the East, would be elevated to the level of Austrian Germans within the empire, and allow Magyar delegates into the Reichstag. The conference also agreed to meet every year to adapt the Empire to whatever conditions that had emerged from within, or threats from without.
RP Sample: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=347669
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

acepted

[Elepis]

does anyone know the standard rifle of the Austrian army at this time?

[Elepis]

does anyone know the standard rifle of the Austrian army at this time?

doesn't matter, found it

[Caltarania]

Finished muh post.

Totally did not copy the coronation stuff from Wikipedia.

[Liecthenbourg]

Oh yes, right, I forgot they owned the Indies. Do they still have possessions in the Caribbean too?

Ye

*Monroe Doctrine Intensifies*

[Caltarania]

Ye

*Monroe Doctrine Intensifies*

"At the same time, the doctrine noted that the United States would neither interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal concerns of European countries."

The Caribbean possessions would be exempt from the Monroe Doctrine, if you were to have it be the same as IOTL.

Also, IIRC Britain was actually the main enforcer of the Monroe Doctrine, lol.

[Liecthenbourg]

*Monroe Doctrine Intensifies*

"At the same time, the doctrine noted that the United States would neither interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal concerns of European countries."

The Caribbean possessions would be exempt from the Monroe Doctrine, if you were to have it be the same as IOTL.

Also, IIRC Britain was actually the main enforcer of the Monroe Doctrine, lol.

I know Calt

[The Jonathanian States]

Ssh.

Kylaris Loominarty intrigues happened.

Ah.

Indeed.

Who decided to unleash TNL upon this rp?

I don't know, but I immediately regret it.

The sperging pisses me off.

It doesn't quite piss me off but I sorta want to keep it contained within the Central Home of Associated Terran Zunbils Y.
Or something.

It would?

The balance of power in Europe right now seems to hang on the balance between Austria and Prussia, with Russia wanting to be friends with both but they likely have separate supporters in the case of a war between both of them.

We only want to ally with Prussia and Austria in order to maintain the Old Order.

OLD ORDER, HUZZAH!

why would I need to trade with ports that cease to exist? : DDD

The Britain is strong in this one.

't always was.

Hmm . . Yes, I like it. This works perfectly. I'll send off a letter in my first post.

Hey, Persia, can I into Great Game?

honhonhonhonhon, Russia surely can into Great Game. The interesting question is whether Mughal can.

Why am I awake it's five in the morning.

Too much celebrating muh democracy i suppose

Democracy!?!?!?!

-sends in the Third Section-

>:u

*Just sends in the RPA*

To be fair Calt if anyone's getting on the bad side of anyone here it's the Russians and Prussians.
To be fair you are allying the Austrians, who we hate and who we just bashed into the ground.

Take them on knowing the liability to Habsburgs are *nods*

In reality, we have a peace treaty and I can't care ICly about them for 10-15 years tbh.

Heh.

So, does anyone want to have been present at the coronation of Alex II?

Sure.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Mughals have the neighbor advantage. You know with being right next door and all.

[Caltarania]

Mughals have the neighbor advantage. You know with being right next door and all.

So are we, fyi.

[Liecthenbourg]

Mughals have the neighbor advantage. You know with being right next door and all.

So are we, fyi.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, well my logic is, Calt, regardless of what Russia negotiates with the Uzbek Muslims farther west near the Samarkandish war, the Nestorian Tajiks probably don't see any reason to respect. They just don't want to be next on the menu. Overlordship of a similar neighbor is preferable to conquest by a European power, etc.

Also, presuming that a Mughal representative would have been accepted because racism, there would probably be one at the coronation.

Additionally they're not really playing the Great Game (what was the point of that again except securing India?), they're just doing le trade.

[Elepis]

right, now that Franz is out of the way, time to make the Second Reich

Thank you János Libényi

[Caltarania]

Hmm, well my logic is, Calt, regardless of what Russia negotiates with the Uzbek Muslims farther west near the Samarkandish war, the Nestorian Tajiks probably don't see any reason to respect. They just don't want to be next on the menu. Overlordship of a similar neighbor is preferable to conquest by a European power, etc.

Also, presuming that a Mughal representative would have been accepted because racism, there would probably be one at the coronation.

Additionally they're not really playing the Great Game (what was the point of that again except securing India?), they're just doing le trade.

If by "negotiate" you mean "enforce onto them without actually asking them about it", then yes, we negotiated with the Uzbeks. As I said before, the Uzbek War wasn't an a war against only the Uzbeks, it was a war against everyone in unclaimed Central Asia; the Tajiks, the Uzbeks, the Turkmens, etc. etc. We beat the Tajiks into dust, too, that was just in the past and not in my post. If the Tajiks want to disrespect the treaty, then they will be treated as the treaty said they should be.

Prolly.

>prestige. Also the Persians are a good way for us to export our goods or something, in addition to that their border is real close to what will become the Baku oilfields.

right, now that Franz is out of the way, time to make the Second Reich

Thank you János Libényi

Kay. But accept my request for alliance plz ;-;

[The Jonathanian States]

right, now that Franz is out of the way, time to make the Second Reich

Thank you János Libényi

Excuse me, mein Herr, but there's only one country which can form the best Reich, and it's also the country that has Silesia. Now, before you rush in to attempt to change that, listen to this.

[Liecthenbourg]

right, now that Franz is out of the way, time to make the Second Reich

Thank you János Libényi

Excuse me, mein Herr, but there's only one country which can form the best Reich, and it's also the country that has Silesia. Now, before you rush in to attempt to change that, listen to this.

Poland is the best Reich.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, well my logic is, Calt, regardless of what Russia negotiates with the Uzbek Muslims farther west near the Samarkandish war, the Nestorian Tajiks probably don't see any reason to respect. They just don't want to be next on the menu. Overlordship of a similar neighbor is preferable to conquest by a European power, etc.

Also, presuming that a Mughal representative would have been accepted because racism, there would probably be one at the coronation.

Additionally they're not really playing the Great Game (what was the point of that again except securing India?), they're just doing le trade.

If by "negotiate" you mean "enforce onto them without actually asking them about it", then yes, we negotiated with the Uzbeks. As I said before, the Uzbek War wasn't an a war against only the Uzbeks, it was a war against everyone in unclaimed Central Asia; the Tajiks, the Uzbeks, the Turkmens, etc. etc. We beat the Tajiks into dust, too, that was just in the past and not in my post. If the Tajiks want to disrespect the treaty, then they will be treated as the treaty said they should be.

Prolly.

>prestige. Also the Persians are a good way for us to export our goods or something, in addition to that their border is real close to what will become the Baku oilfields.

right, now that Franz is out of the way, time to make the Second Reich

Thank you János Libényi

Kay. But accept my request for alliance plz ;-;

Ah, hmm. So it was a full court war from the shores of the Caspian to the border of China, a two thousand mile border, against dozens of different ethnic groups? I mean, no offense, I'm sure Russia could potentially do such a thing, but on the other hand they had many armies come to grief fighting on only segments of that border. Fighting every kingdom and warlord in Central Asia simultaneously is biting off an awful large chunk to chew.

[Elepis]

Hmm, well my logic is, Calt, regardless of what Russia negotiates with the Uzbek Muslims farther west near the Samarkandish war, the Nestorian Tajiks probably don't see any reason to respect. They just don't want to be next on the menu. Overlordship of a similar neighbor is preferable to conquest by a European power, etc.

Also, presuming that a Mughal representative would have been accepted because racism, there would probably be one at the coronation.

Additionally they're not really playing the Great Game (what was the point of that again except securing India?), they're just doing le trade.

If by "negotiate" you mean "enforce onto them without actually asking them about it", then yes, we negotiated with the Uzbeks. As I said before, the Uzbek War wasn't an a war against only the Uzbeks, it was a war against everyone in unclaimed Central Asia; the Tajiks, the Uzbeks, the Turkmens, etc. etc. We beat the Tajiks into dust, too, that was just in the past and not in my post. If the Tajiks want to disrespect the treaty, then they will be treated as the treaty said they should be.

Prolly.

>prestige. Also the Persians are a good way for us to export our goods or something, in addition to that their border is real close to what will become the Baku oilfields.

right, now that Franz is out of the way, time to make the Second Reich

Thank you János Libényi

Kay. But accept my request for alliance plz ;-;

I will, Austria & Russia=Friends for ever

right, now that Franz is out of the way, time to make the Second Reich

Thank you János Libényi

Excuse me, mein Herr, but there's only one country which can form the best Reich, and it's also the country that has Silesia. Now, before you rush in to attempt to change that, listen to this.

Ermmm, you can have north, Austria have south?

[Caltarania]

If by "negotiate" you mean "enforce onto them without actually asking them about it", then yes, we negotiated with the Uzbeks. As I said before, the Uzbek War wasn't an a war against only the Uzbeks, it was a war against everyone in unclaimed Central Asia; the Tajiks, the Uzbeks, the Turkmens, etc. etc. We beat the Tajiks into dust, too, that was just in the past and not in my post. If the Tajiks want to disrespect the treaty, then they will be treated as the treaty said they should be.

Prolly.

>prestige. Also the Persians are a good way for us to export our goods or something, in addition to that their border is real close to what will become the Baku oilfields.



Kay. But accept my request for alliance plz ;-;

Ah, hmm. So it was a full court war from the shores of the Caspian to the border of China, a two thousand mile border, against dozens of different ethnic groups? I mean, no offense, I'm sure Russia could potentially do such a thing, but on the other hand they had many armies come to grief fighting on only segments of that border. Fighting every kingdom and warlord in Central Asia simultaneously is biting off an awful large chunk to chew.

Russia's done crazier.

Speaking of which, the Central Asian armies aren't totally defeated, it's worth noting. The Russians just declared them to be.

[The Jonathanian States]

Excuse me, mein Herr, but there's only one country which can form the best Reich, and it's also the country that has Silesia. Now, before you rush in to attempt to change that, listen to this.

Ermmm, you can have north, Austria have south?

Silly Austria, partitioning is for Poland, there can only be one in Germany. And it would be a shame for a Prussian, err, delegation to have to visit Sadova in order to allow us to come to terms, right?

[Liecthenbourg]

Ah, hmm. So it was a full court war from the shores of the Caspian to the border of China, a two thousand mile border, against dozens of different ethnic groups? I mean, no offense, I'm sure Russia could potentially do such a thing, but on the other hand they had many armies come to grief fighting on only segments of that border. Fighting every kingdom and warlord in Central Asia simultaneously is biting off an awful large chunk to chew.

Russia's done crazier.

Speaking of which, the Central Asian armies aren't totally defeated, it's worth noting. The Russians just declared them to be.

Super Russian sneakiness.