Guns, Drums and Steel [OOC|Open]

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

I'll probably ask for naval advisors and aid.

sounds a whole lot like something nobody can help you with cccc :

What. The worlds largest naval power can't do that?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, so a reduction in tariffs on Persian merchants purchasing coal from Mughal lands, in exchange for a reduction in tariffs on Mughal merchants purchasing iron ores from Persian lands? Does Persia have much iron in this era?

More or less.

Well Wikipedia tells me Iran has the world's 12th largest iron reserves in the world, so the Iron is definitely there. The major snag is that 1853 Persia certainly isn't industrialized enough to be extracting it on the massive scale needed. Also India has a ton of iron itself. So I guess that is kinda out the window.

Do you have any suggestions?

Well, you could do somewhat like what I've suggested with the Boers; reduce capital controls on Mughal investors in key industries, and taxes on such ventures, as well as tariffs on goods produced in such industries. That will allow Mughal entrepreneurs to profit in your lands, and obtain goods desired by the Mughal economy at reasonable prices, while also providing you with capital for the gradual development of said industries. In exchange I'd be happy to lower tariffs on the exports of certain key goods (like coal) to Persian lands, which will give you a larger long-term supply of said goods and preserve the capital of your own economic system for other developments.

[Mesrane]

More or less.

Well Wikipedia tells me Iran has the world's 12th largest iron reserves in the world, so the Iron is definitely there. The major snag is that 1853 Persia certainly isn't industrialized enough to be extracting it on the massive scale needed. Also India has a ton of iron itself. So I guess that is kinda out the window.

Do you have any suggestions?

Well, you could do somewhat like what I've suggested with the Boers; reduce capital controls on Mughal investors in key industries, and taxes on such ventures, as well as tariffs on goods produced in such industries. That will allow Mughal entrepreneurs to profit in your lands, and obtain goods desired by the Mughal economy at reasonable prices, while also providing you with capital for the gradual development of said industries. In exchange I'd be happy to lower tariffs on the exports of certain key goods (like coal) to Persian lands, which will give you a larger long-term supply of said goods and preserve the capital of your own economic system for other developments.

Hmm . . Yes, I like it. This works perfectly. I'll send off a letter in my first post.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Well, you could do somewhat like what I've suggested with the Boers; reduce capital controls on Mughal investors in key industries, and taxes on such ventures, as well as tariffs on goods produced in such industries. That will allow Mughal entrepreneurs to profit in your lands, and obtain goods desired by the Mughal economy at reasonable prices, while also providing you with capital for the gradual development of said industries. In exchange I'd be happy to lower tariffs on the exports of certain key goods (like coal) to Persian lands, which will give you a larger long-term supply of said goods and preserve the capital of your own economic system for other developments.

Hmm . . Yes, I like it. This works perfectly. I'll send off a letter in my first post.

Splendid. I think that will work out nicely.

[The New Lowlands]

sounds a whole lot like something nobody can help you with cccc :

What. The worlds largest naval power can't do that?

Oh, I thought you meant to fight me.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

What. The worlds largest naval power can't do that?

Oh, I thought you meant to fight me.

Lol no. I do have a fleet though but that be suicide. I'll tke you on land any day though. I just want your aid.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh, also, just finished up my reserved post, hence the reserving a new one. I guess the Brits, Chinese, and Siamese might want to take note, though primarily the Great Wu.

[The New Lowlands]

@G-tech

You mention an Omani island in your post. Are you talking about Socotra?

Because, apparently, I own that.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Oh, also, just finished up my reserved post, hence the reserving a new one. I guess the Brits, Chinese, and Siamese might want to take note, though primarily the Great Wu.

What should I note?

[G-Tech Corporation]

@G-tech

You mention an Omani island in your post. Are you talking about Socotra?

Because, apparently, I own that.

Nah, Misrahah, or something like that. The one on the eastern coast.

Oh, and Calt, I'm considering having the Khan-Emperor offer vassalship status to the Tajiks next to the Uzbeks you're currently conquering, and any Uzbek lords that weren't stomped. Just wondering if you wanted any OOC input on that.

Oh, also, just finished up my reserved post, hence the reserving a new one. I guess the Brits, Chinese, and Siamese might want to take note, though primarily the Great Wu.

What should I note?

Just some rumors about Siamese antipathy towards China, which I presume are a thing.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Oh totally a thing.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

The North Italian Confederation is born *gasp*

Also, letter to Brazil has been added. I don't believe I owe anyone else any nonsense yet, I might send out a few more letters (I intend on sending one to San Marino, which they will reject for obvious reasons. Well, parts of it that is.

Will add the other two sections soon. They're rather unimportant at the moment. Well, the whole "we love Victor Emmanuel II for giving us rights" and generals going "who do we kill now and how" are sorta important, but not for IC interaction just yet.

[Elepis]

Is Austria open?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Is Austria open?

Yes it is.

[Elepis]

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[Caltarania]

I meant wyatt in regards to the taking over the UK.

Ssh.

Kylaris Loominarty intrigues happened.

Ah.

Who decided to unleash TNL upon this rp?

I don't know, but I immediately regret it.

The sperging pisses me off.

Why though, it'll screw up the balance of power in Europe.

It would?

The balance of power in Europe right now seems to hang on the balance between Austria and Prussia, with Russia wanting to be friends with both but they likely have separate supporters in the case of a war between both of them.

We only want to ally with Prussia and Austria in order to maintain the Old Order.

I just thought of what I could trade. OP(s), would it be okay if I discovered diamonds a few decades early? I could say I sent out a government-sponsored surveying team to investigate the Confederation and search for any valuable resources, and that was how I found diamonds.

Um, I'll ask Calt about it for you.

Meherghh.

Just grow fancy food or some shit, you'd be able to sell the seeds and the produce to the natives and trade back fancy shit which you could then sell onto the British. IIRC that was basically what happened IRL.

Heh. While treaties are good, and the Empire's ports are open to merchants of all nations, efforts to negotiate unreasonable treaties through force would rapidly see those ports be closed to merchants of undesirable nations.

I mean, feel free to try and remain economically relevant while your merchantile rivals enjoy the profit of free trade. It should be an interesting RP point.

why would I need to trade with ports that cease to exist? : DDD

The Britain is strong in this one.

Sigh, is true.

Though, I'm really only seeing a net negative for you. Even just replacing the ships that get sunk in the effort is going to be pricey.

Eh, I'm mostly kidding around.

Although denying access to India for everyone else sounds like it may have a few slight advantages.

Denying access for everyone but Russia, because #LandTradeRoutes!

Well, you could do somewhat like what I've suggested with the Boers; reduce capital controls on Mughal investors in key industries, and taxes on such ventures, as well as tariffs on goods produced in such industries. That will allow Mughal entrepreneurs to profit in your lands, and obtain goods desired by the Mughal economy at reasonable prices, while also providing you with capital for the gradual development of said industries. In exchange I'd be happy to lower tariffs on the exports of certain key goods (like coal) to Persian lands, which will give you a larger long-term supply of said goods and preserve the capital of your own economic system for other developments.

Hmm . . Yes, I like it. This works perfectly. I'll send off a letter in my first post.

Hey, Persia, can I into Great Game?

@G-tech

You mention an Omani island in your post. Are you talking about Socotra?

Because, apparently, I own that.

Nah, Misrahah, or something like that. The one on the eastern coast.

Oh, and Calt, I'm considering having the Khan-Emperor offer vassalship status to the Tajiks next to the Uzbeks you're currently conquering, and any Uzbek lords that weren't stomped. Just wondering if you wanted any OOC input on that.

That'd cause a fuck tonne of issues, because in the TOTALLY FAIR treaty that is drawn up in my post, the entirity of the area currently unclaimed is deemed to be Russian clay. It's worth noting that it's called the 'Uzbek War' not because we're only fighting the Uzbeks, but because the Russian population don't see any differences between the Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmens etc. etc, and so even though it is a war against all of them, the Russian people label them all as 'Uzbeks'.

I mean you could technically take the Tajiks, but taking the land on which they reside would be problematic.

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The Location is already on the map, fyi.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

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Just for reference you'd be Austria on our map, as that's the lands we've previously accepted Austria with. The claims are similar but not entirely so. You will also want to look over the last Austrian app we accepted as things like population and military I doubt will change.

For further reference, you lost the First War of Italian Indepdence to me and France following successful revolutions in 1848 in the Habsburg states everywhere but Venice. I own all of Lombardy and a nice chunk of Venetia. The war ended at some point in 1851 with the Treaty of Whocares which gave me Lombardy and the part of Venetia I grabbed and also allowed the rebelling central Italian states to join up with Sardinia. Since we had France we beat you pretty nicely, so that should be taken into consideration.

Also ICly the Russians invited you to join the League of Emperors with the Prussians, so you'll likely be interested to know that.

[Caltarania]

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Just for reference you'd be Austria on our map, as that's the lands we've previously accepted Austria with. The claims are similar but not entirely so. You will also want to look over the last Austrian app we accepted as things like population and military I doubt will change.

For further reference, you lost the First War of Italian Indepdence to me and France following successful revolutions in 1848 in the Habsburg states everywhere but Venice. I own all of Lombardy and a nice chunk of Venetia. The war ended at some point in 1851 with the Treaty of Whocares which gave me Lombardy and the part of Venetia I grabbed and also allowed the rebelling central Italian states to join up with Sardinia. Since we had France we beat you pretty nicely, so that should be taken into consideration.

Also ICly the Russians invited you to join the League of Emperors with the Prussians, so you'll likely be interested to know that.

Yup.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Why am I awake it's five in the morning.

Too much celebrating muh democracy i suppose

[Caltarania]

Why am I awake it's five in the morning.

Too much celebrating muh democracy i suppose

Democracy!?!?!?!

-sends in the Third Section-

>:u

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Why am I awake it's five in the morning.

Too much celebrating muh democracy i suppose

Democracy!?!?!?!

-sends in the Third Section-

>:u

Heh

Tbh me not having it yet with all these 48 revolutions was kind of iffy. Only reason I didn't was everyone new the king was crazy and that the constitution could only be signed by the king, so they had to wait for Charlie Bertie to kick the bucket and his son to rock on. Now that the crazy man is gone all is happy

[Caltarania]

Democracy!?!?!?!

-sends in the Third Section-

>:u

Heh

Tbh me not having it yet with all these 48 revolutions was kind of iffy. Only reason I didn't was everyone new the king was crazy and that the constitution could only be signed by the king, so they had to wait for Charlie Bertie to kick the bucket and his son to rock on. Now that the crazy man is gone all is happy

Mhm, makes sense. Just don't get on the bad side of the OLD ORDER!

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Heh

Tbh me not having it yet with all these 48 revolutions was kind of iffy. Only reason I didn't was everyone new the king was crazy and that the constitution could only be signed by the king, so they had to wait for Charlie Bertie to kick the bucket and his son to rock on. Now that the crazy man is gone all is happy

Mhm, makes sense. Just don't get on the bad side of the OLD ORDER!

To be fair Calt if anyone's getting on the bad side of anyone here it's the Russians and Prussians.
To be fair you are allying the Austrians, who we hate and who we just bashed into the ground.

Take them on knowing the liability to Habsburgs are *nods*

In reality, we have a peace treaty and I can't care ICly about them for 10-15 years tbh.

[Caltarania]

Mhm, makes sense. Just don't get on the bad side of the OLD ORDER!

To be fair Calt if anyone's getting on the bad side of anyone here it's the Russians and Prussians.
To be fair you are allying the Austrians, who we hate and who we just bashed into the ground.

Take them on knowing the liability to Habsburgs are *nods*

In reality, we have a peace treaty and I can't care ICly about them for 10-15 years tbh.

Heh.

So, does anyone want to have been present at the coronation of Alex II?

[Elepis]

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Just for reference you'd be Austria on our map, as that's the lands we've previously accepted Austria with. The claims are similar but not entirely so. You will also want to look over the last Austrian app we accepted as things like population and military I doubt will change.

For further reference, you lost the First War of Italian Indepdence to me and France following successful revolutions in 1848 in the Habsburg states everywhere but Venice. I own all of Lombardy and a nice chunk of Venetia. The war ended at some point in 1851 with the Treaty of Whocares which gave me Lombardy and the part of Venetia I grabbed and also allowed the rebelling central Italian states to join up with Sardinia. Since we had France we beat you pretty nicely, so that should be taken into consideration.

Also ICly the Russians invited you to join the League of Emperors with the Prussians, so you'll likely be interested to know that.

Would it be OK, if because of the loss of Lombardy if I started to liberalise Austria. More like Germany of 1914 with separate states and an elected parliament?