Guns, Drums and Steel [OOC|Open]

[The New Lowlands]

I like it. I definitely like it. Should we assume this deal is already in place, or should we exchange letters in the IC to finalize this?

Feel free to write up that message you were going to- might as well get some IC diplomacy on the roll.

why would I need to trade with ports that cease to exist? : DDD

Because those ports are necessary to get the goods from all the other still-existent cities and plantations and whatnot inland )))

that sounds like a whole lot of everyone else's problem cccc :

[G-Tech Corporation]

Feel free to write up that message you were going to- might as well get some IC diplomacy on the roll.



Because those ports are necessary to get the goods from all the other still-existent cities and plantations and whatnot inland )))

that sounds like a whole lot of everyone else's problem cccc :

Sigh, is true.

Though, I'm really only seeing a net negative for you. Even just replacing the ships that get sunk in the effort is going to be pricey.

[The New Lowlands]

that sounds like a whole lot of everyone else's problem cccc :

Sigh, is true.

Though, I'm really only seeing a net negative for you. Even just replacing the ships that get sunk in the effort is going to be pricey.

Eh, I'm mostly kidding around.

Although denying access to India for everyone else sounds like it may have a few slight advantages.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Sigh, is true.

Though, I'm really only seeing a net negative for you. Even just replacing the ships that get sunk in the effort is going to be pricey.

Eh, I'm mostly kidding around.

Although denying access to India for everyone else sounds like it may have a few slight advantages.

Maybe, perchance. Also pretty hard to pull off though. Perhaps you should focus on colonizing Australasia instead

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Maybe, perchance. Also pretty hard to pull off though. Perhaps you should focus on colonizing Australasia instead

Australia is empty tho and the British East Indies are nice and profitable.

British of need more money :c

[G-Tech Corporation]

Maybe, perchance. Also pretty hard to pull off though. Perhaps you should focus on colonizing Australasia instead

Australia is empty tho and the British East Indies are nice and profitable.

British of need more money :c

Oh yes, right, I forgot they owned the Indies. Do they still have possessions in the Caribbean too?

[Mesrane]

Hey G, how does a trade agreement with Persia sound?

*sidelong glance at Russia*

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Australia is empty tho and the British East Indies are nice and profitable.

British of need more money :c

Oh yes, right, I forgot they owned the Indies. Do they still have possessions in the Caribbean too?

Ye

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hey G, how does a trade agreement with Persia sound?

*sidelong glance at Russia*

Hmm, could be done. We are neighbors. What alterations to our terms of commerce would you propose?

[The New Lowlands]

Hey G, how does a trade agreement with Persia sound?

*sidelong glance at Russia*

*great game intensifies*

[Finland SSR]

I would like to order 10 quintillion tons of reinforced steel, a huge laser and a black life support suit.

Personal matters. Will pay with your own money.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Lol not so threatening letter to Siam from Britain.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Lol not so threatening letter to Siam from Britain.

It wasn't meant to be. I was planning on rejecting your offer and burning down your ships to the ground (sea rather). But that's in TNL's hands now.

[Mesrane]

Hey G, how does a trade agreement with Persia sound?

*sidelong glance at Russia*

Hmm, could be done. We are neighbors. What alterations to our terms of commerce would you propose?

Well, what I think of off the top of my head is Persian iron to fuel your arms industry in return for . . I dunno, coal perhaps? It would be necessary for the semi-industrialization the Shah is after.

Edit: Well maybe that wouldn't work so well. India has a ton of iron apparently.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Lol not so threatening letter to Siam from Britain.

It wasn't meant to be. I was planning on rejecting your offer and burning down your ships to the ground (sea rather). But that's in TNL's hands now.

Well I mean Singapore would easy pickings but the Malay Peninsula would be hell for you.

[The New Lowlands]

It wasn't meant to be. I was planning on rejecting your offer and burning down your ships to the ground (sea rather). But that's in TNL's hands now.

Well I mean Singapore would easy pickings but the Malay Peninsula would be hell for you.

Britain did it IRL. :u

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

It wasn't meant to be. I was planning on rejecting your offer and burning down your ships to the ground (sea rather). But that's in TNL's hands now.

Well I mean Singapore would easy pickings but the Malay Peninsula would be hell for you.

Ah but the British only need Singapore and that other isolated island you have, don't they?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Well I mean Singapore would easy pickings but the Malay Peninsula would be hell for you.

Britain did it IRL. :u

Against not a unified nation but a smattering of small states. And over decades.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, could be done. We are neighbors. What alterations to our terms of commerce would you propose?

Well, what I think of off the top of my head is Persian iron to fuel your arms industry in return for . . I dunno, coal perhaps? It would be necessary for the semi-industrialization the Shah is after.

Hmm, so a reduction in tariffs on Persian merchants purchasing coal from Mughal lands, in exchange for a reduction in tariffs on Mughal merchants purchasing iron ores from Persian lands? Does Persia have much iron in this era?

[The New Lowlands]

Britain did it IRL. :u

Against not a unified nation but a smattering of small states. And over decades.

I don't have India to worry about, and I control Java.

And if the "unified nation" presents and trouble I can just bomb its capital into nonexistence.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Against not a unified nation but a smattering of small states. And over decades.

I don't have India to worry about, and I control Java.

And if the "unified nation" presents and trouble I can just bomb its capital into nonexistence.

You mean bombard. No planes yet. Lol it is unified too. Don't worry, I'm going to sell.

[The New Lowlands]

I don't have India to worry about, and I control Java.

And if the "unified nation" presents and trouble I can just bomb its capital into nonexistence.

You mean bombard. No planes yet. Lol it is unified too. Don't worry, I'm going to sell.

Cool cool.

*bombs everything anyway* : D

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

You mean bombard. No planes yet. Lol it is unified too. Don't worry, I'm going to sell.

Cool cool.

*bombs everything anyway* : D

I'll probably ask for naval advisors and aid.

[The New Lowlands]

Cool cool.

*bombs everything anyway* : D

I'll probably ask for naval advisors and aid.

sounds a whole lot like something nobody can help you with cccc :

[Mesrane]

Well, what I think of off the top of my head is Persian iron to fuel your arms industry in return for . . I dunno, coal perhaps? It would be necessary for the semi-industrialization the Shah is after.

Hmm, so a reduction in tariffs on Persian merchants purchasing coal from Mughal lands, in exchange for a reduction in tariffs on Mughal merchants purchasing iron ores from Persian lands? Does Persia have much iron in this era?

More or less.

Well Wikipedia tells me Iran has the world's 12th largest iron reserves in the world, so the Iron is definitely there. The major snag is that 1853 Persia certainly isn't industrialized enough to be extracting it on the massive scale needed. Also India has a ton of iron itself. So I guess that is kinda out the window.

Do you have any suggestions?