Guns, Drums and Steel [OOC|Open]

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I suppose the former, but the British navy is the best in the world, and the Brazilians are quite spread out.
Would make for some Atlantic naval warfare, with a strong Brazil, but I think Britain could certainly handle it.

Exactly, that's why I wat to get Britain on my side.

I don't mean to shit on you, but Spain is not exactly a viable ally due to its colonial disasters and poor industrial situation. The rising Sardinia-Lombardia would be a far better ally, at least many would consider it to be. Why? Industrial base, rising power, hates the Austrians.

Spain can recover from its loses sure, but that does not mean the powers will be looking to ally it.

[The Eastern Antarctic State]

Exactly, that's why I wat to get Britain on my side.

I don't mean to shit on you, but Spain is not exactly a viable ally due to its colonial disasters and poor industrial situation. The rising Sardinia-Lombardia would be a far better ally, at least many would consider it to be. Why? Industrial base, rising power, hates the Austrians.

Spain can recover from its loses sure, but that does not mean the powers will be looking to ally it.

True, however, I still have some valuable colonies with Cuba and the Philippines.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I don't mean to shit on you, but Spain is not exactly a viable ally due to its colonial disasters and poor industrial situation. The rising Sardinia-Lombardia would be a far better ally, at least many would consider it to be. Why? Industrial base, rising power, hates the Austrians.

Spain can recover from its loses sure, but that does not mean the powers will be looking to ally it.

True, however, I still have some valuable colonies with Cuba and the Philippines.

Yeah but eventually they'll become more harm than good. And, considering the fact that everyone is imperialist, they may wish to take them rather than ally the nation who holds them.

[The Eastern Antarctic State]

Can I get a gander at Brazil's app?

[The Eastern Antarctic State]

True, however, I still have some valuable colonies with Cuba and the Philippines.

Yeah but eventually they'll become more harm than good. And, considering the fact that everyone is imperialist, they may wish to take them rather than ally the nation who holds them.

Hmm, true. If we're Britian, I wouldnt be picking on old decrepit empire but rather focus on limiting up and coming powers that could usurp Britain as dominant power.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Yeah but eventually they'll become more harm than good. And, considering the fact that everyone is imperialist, they may wish to take them rather than ally the nation who holds them.

Hmm, true. If we're Britian, I wouldnt be picking on old decrepit empire but rather focus on limiting up and coming powers that could usurp Britain as dominant power.

I mean they may very well be, I have no idea if they plan on killing you or not. I know they plan on going to the conference however.

Tbh if you leave Gibraltar alone the British are likely apathetic towards you

[The Eastern Antarctic State]

Hmm, true. If we're Britian, I wouldnt be picking on old decrepit empire but rather focus on limiting up and coming powers that could usurp Britain as dominant power.

I mean they may very well be, I have no idea if they plan on killing you or not. I know they plan on going to the conference however.

Tbh if you leave Gibraltar alone the British are likely apathetic towards you

Yeah, I was thinking on renouncing my claim as to gain favour.

[Jaslandia]

Chill. Whatcha thinking about in terms of trade terms/resources to be included in the agreement?

I was just gonna ask for permission to trade in India at all. If you want specifics, I'm thinking I can export stuff like grain and cattle in exchange for Indian goods like cotton and spices. Of course, those are probably uneven terms, so I'd be willing to pay for the Indian goods in gold/cash.

I just thought of what I could trade. OP(s), would it be okay if I discovered diamonds a few decades early? I could say I sent out a government-sponsored surveying team to investigate the Confederation and search for any valuable resources, and that was how I found diamonds.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I was just gonna ask for permission to trade in India at all. If you want specifics, I'm thinking I can export stuff like grain and cattle in exchange for Indian goods like cotton and spices. Of course, those are probably uneven terms, so I'd be willing to pay for the Indian goods in gold/cash.

I just thought of what I could trade. OP(s), would it be okay if I discovered diamonds a few decades early? I could say I sent out a government-sponsored surveying team to investigate the Confederation and search for any valuable resources, and that was how I found diamonds.

Um, I'll ask Calt about it for you.

[The Eastern Antarctic State]

What pages is Brazil's app on?

[Baja California y Sonora]

What pages is Brazil's app on?

Just look up Rio de Janerio on the search box, and you'll find it.

[Jaslandia]

I just thought of what I could trade. OP(s), would it be okay if I discovered diamonds a few decades early? I could say I sent out a government-sponsored surveying team to investigate the Confederation and search for any valuable resources, and that was how I found diamonds.

Um, I'll ask Calt about it for you.

Okay. Thank you.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Chill. Whatcha thinking about in terms of trade terms/resources to be included in the agreement?

I was just gonna ask for permission to trade in India at all. If you want specifics, I'm thinking I can export stuff like grain and cattle in exchange for Indian goods like cotton and spices. Of course, those are probably uneven terms, so I'd be willing to pay for the Indian goods in gold/cash.

Sure, that makes sense. Honestly, my general economic policy is to let any of those who wish to trade in the Mughal Empire do so, but obviously be subject to reasonable taxes and tariffs. Specific exemptions for goods or favorable terms for nations are negotiated on a more formal basis.

[Jaslandia]

I was just gonna ask for permission to trade in India at all. If you want specifics, I'm thinking I can export stuff like grain and cattle in exchange for Indian goods like cotton and spices. Of course, those are probably uneven terms, so I'd be willing to pay for the Indian goods in gold/cash.

Sure, that makes sense. Honestly, my general economic policy is to let any of those who wish to trade in the Mughal Empire do so, but obviously be subject to reasonable taxes and tariffs. Specific exemptions for goods or favorable terms for nations are negotiated on a more formal basis.

Alright. Fair enough. I won't ask for any special terms; I know the mighty Mughal Empire has no reason to make a deal with a small, weak nation like me. Now, if the OPs give me the go-ahead to discover diamonds, that might be a different story...

[G-Tech Corporation]

Sure, that makes sense. Honestly, my general economic policy is to let any of those who wish to trade in the Mughal Empire do so, but obviously be subject to reasonable taxes and tariffs. Specific exemptions for goods or favorable terms for nations are negotiated on a more formal basis.

Alright. Fair enough. I won't ask for any special terms; I know the mighty Mughal Empire has no reason to make a deal with a small, weak nation like me. Now, if the OPs give me the go-ahead to discover diamonds, that might be a different story...

Eh, I wouldn't necessarily say that- if you were willing to reciprocate with, say, favorable conditions for Mughal investors who choose to do business with the Boers (limits under which money can be brought into the state without taxation from Mughal banks, etc.) it could be conceivable that we could waive some of the export dues on goods Boer traders choose to purchase in Mughal lands.

[Jaslandia]

Alright. Fair enough. I won't ask for any special terms; I know the mighty Mughal Empire has no reason to make a deal with a small, weak nation like me. Now, if the OPs give me the go-ahead to discover diamonds, that might be a different story...

Eh, I wouldn't necessarily say that- if you were willing to reciprocate with, say, favorable conditions for Mughal investors who choose to do business with the Boers (limits under which money can be brought into the state without taxation from Mughal banks, etc.) it could be conceivable that we could waive some of the export dues on goods Boer traders choose to purchase in Mughal lands.

Interesting. Please explain. As long as this potential deal doesn't exploit or harm the Boer people, I'm interested. Plus, some Mughal investment would be pretty great for me, since I'm trying to build up my cities and create new public buildings.

[The New Lowlands]

I was just gonna ask for permission to trade in India at all. If you want specifics, I'm thinking I can export stuff like grain and cattle in exchange for Indian goods like cotton and spices. Of course, those are probably uneven terms, so I'd be willing to pay for the Indian goods in gold/cash.

Sure, that makes sense. Honestly, my general economic policy is to let any of those who wish to trade in the Mughal Empire do so, but obviously be subject to reasonable taxes and tariffs. Specific exemptions for goods or favorable terms for nations are negotiated on a more formal basis.

tfw your reason to burn Bengal to the ground is gone

[G-Tech Corporation]

Eh, I wouldn't necessarily say that- if you were willing to reciprocate with, say, favorable conditions for Mughal investors who choose to do business with the Boers (limits under which money can be brought into the state without taxation from Mughal banks, etc.) it could be conceivable that we could waive some of the export dues on goods Boer traders choose to purchase in Mughal lands.

Interesting. Please explain. As long as this potential deal doesn't exploit or harm the Boer people, I'm interested. Plus, some Mughal investment would be pretty great for me, since I'm trying to build up my cities and create new public buildings.

Well, I'm certain more adventurous investors would be interested in ventures in the rich agricultural and mineral lands of the Boers. The Mughals aren't the richest folks in the world compared to nations like the Swiss and Germans, but they're also far less likely to come with pompous conditions and try to take over your nation via economic means. With some of the red-tape released and favorable investment conditions created, I'm sure the Finance Adviser would see reason to in similar measure decrease dues assessed on goods purchased by Boers in Mughal lands. So, you could import cheaper manufactured goods, spices, silks, opium, etc. while also attracting more capital for the development of the Boer nation.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Sure, that makes sense. Honestly, my general economic policy is to let any of those who wish to trade in the Mughal Empire do so, but obviously be subject to reasonable taxes and tariffs. Specific exemptions for goods or favorable terms for nations are negotiated on a more formal basis.

tfw your reason to burn Bengal to the ground is gone

Come, embrace my hungry consumer markets and eager commodity traders.

[Kryskov]

tfw your reason to burn Bengal to the ground is gone

Come, embrace my hungry consumer markets and eager commodity traders.

LOOK CURRY I KNOW YOU WANT OLIV OIL FROM HELLAS LISTEN HERE I GIVE YOU DEAL OF LIFETIME

[The New Lowlands]

tfw your reason to burn Bengal to the ground is gone

Come, embrace my hungry consumer markets and eager commodity traders.

*desire for unfair treaties intensifies*

I'll try and get a mutual defence pact with Britain by:
Renouncing my claims on Gibraltar
Giving them preference when trading in Cuba and the Philippines
Leasing them ports in the Canary Islands.

This sounds like an excellent deal.

Come, embrace my hungry consumer markets and eager commodity traders.

LOOK CURRY I KNOW YOU WANT OLIV OIL FROM HELLAS LISTEN HERE I GIVE YOU DEAL OF LIFETIME

PAY DENBTS

[G-Tech Corporation]

Come, embrace my hungry consumer markets and eager commodity traders.

*desire for unfair treaties intensifies*

Heh. While treaties are good, and the Empire's ports are open to merchants of all nations, efforts to negotiate unreasonable treaties through force would rapidly see those ports be closed to merchants of undesirable nations.

I mean, feel free to try and remain economically relevant while your merchantile rivals enjoy the profit of free trade. It should be an interesting RP point.

[The New Lowlands]

*desire for unfair treaties intensifies*

Heh. While treaties are good, and the Empire's ports are open to merchants of all nations, efforts to negotiate unreasonable treaties through force would rapidly see those ports be closed to merchants of undesirable nations.

I mean, feel free to try and remain economically relevant while your merchantile rivals enjoy the profit of free trade. It should be an interesting RP point.

why would I need to trade with ports that cease to exist? : DDD

[Jaslandia]

Interesting. Please explain. As long as this potential deal doesn't exploit or harm the Boer people, I'm interested. Plus, some Mughal investment would be pretty great for me, since I'm trying to build up my cities and create new public buildings.

Well, I'm certain more adventurous investors would be interested in ventures in the rich agricultural and mineral lands of the Boers. The Mughals aren't the richest folks in the world compared to nations like the Swiss and Germans, but they're also far less likely to come with pompous conditions and try to take over your nation via economic means. With some of the red-tape released and favorable investment conditions created, I'm sure the Finance Adviser would see reason to in similar measure decrease dues assessed on goods purchased by Boers in Mughal lands. So, you could import cheaper manufactured goods, spices, silks, opium, etc. while also attracting more capital for the development of the Boer nation.

I like it. I definitely like it. Should we assume this deal is already in place, or should we exchange letters in the IC to finalize this?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Well, I'm certain more adventurous investors would be interested in ventures in the rich agricultural and mineral lands of the Boers. The Mughals aren't the richest folks in the world compared to nations like the Swiss and Germans, but they're also far less likely to come with pompous conditions and try to take over your nation via economic means. With some of the red-tape released and favorable investment conditions created, I'm sure the Finance Adviser would see reason to in similar measure decrease dues assessed on goods purchased by Boers in Mughal lands. So, you could import cheaper manufactured goods, spices, silks, opium, etc. while also attracting more capital for the development of the Boer nation.

I like it. I definitely like it. Should we assume this deal is already in place, or should we exchange letters in the IC to finalize this?

Feel free to write up that message you were going to- might as well get some IC diplomacy on the roll.

Heh. While treaties are good, and the Empire's ports are open to merchants of all nations, efforts to negotiate unreasonable treaties through force would rapidly see those ports be closed to merchants of undesirable nations.

I mean, feel free to try and remain economically relevant while your merchantile rivals enjoy the profit of free trade. It should be an interesting RP point.

why would I need to trade with ports that cease to exist? : DDD

Because those ports are necessary to get the goods from all the other still-existent cities and plantations and whatnot inland )))