Guns, Drums and Steel [OOC|Open]

[Elepis]

Oh

also tbh Austria will probably only die after a major continental war.

I can assure you I won't be starting one against you or your allies, as your allies are too far away and I'm bound by treaty not to kill you.

I won't be declaring war on France ever or on Iberia or any other power in Europe with other allies. In all honesty the only alliance bloc is Austria-Prussia-Russia, something the British, French, etc. are likely weary of (muh containment of Prussia).

good to know

[Liecthenbourg]

#Anschlusses

;U;

While I am a little worried about gun toting southerners, I am much more worried about the giant orange cluster of North American fury.

Tasty land in America you have.
Columbia want

ill take a gander at the app later, I'm currently at the beach.

[Elepis]

The League, what is it? a mutual defense pact etc, what are the parameters of the agreement?

[The Jonathanian States]

Contemplating joining as the Netherlands and trying to become a Prussian protectorate.

YUS!
Go Prussia, Go Prussia, Go Prussia, yay!

However, further comments on the situation of Austria, to underline the current situation, as I understand it: you're trying to become more liberal/federal in an effort to reduce nationalism and separatism within the Austro-Hungarian Empire, yes? However, the more liberal you get, the more your fellow autocratic emperors in Prussia and Russia will dislike you.

Russia is sort of getting more liberal, but Russia is basically a century or two backwards when compared to europe, what with serfdom being around and stuff, so it is more them trying to not be absolutely ancient rather than actually liberalizing.
But yes, Prussia doesn't like this Austrian liberalisms thing.

-snip-

Seems like very good commentary and advice for Elepis.

The thing about liberalizing, I only plan to liberalize to the extent of Germany in WW1,

Except a) Germany more or less only became that liberal in 1870. Slightly short of 20 years into the future. And even then Germany wasn't quite as liberal as it might seem.
B) Germany is a mostly homogenous state in terms of ethnicity. In Germany except for the poles, danes, and a bunch of french there aren't any other groups that might desire being part of a state that isn't Germany. (At least not of significance).
The Danish and Polish were within the largest state in Germany, by a lot, being Prussia - meaning that they were more or less silenced by the mass around them.
The French and Alsatians sort of were in a state of their own, but that state was less of a state and more of a special administrative territory, what with it being administered by the federal government.
Tl;dr: The other nations in Germany were made irrelevant in terms of elections even on the state level.

so yes there is an elected parliament and autonomous states, but the Emperor is still very powerful.

That's less what worries Prussia. It's more the part about giving rights to other nations and stuff, something which'll make the Poles in both Prussia and probably Russia quite rowdy.
But Prussia is also sort of worried about the Parliamentary stuff, considering the Prussian Franchise.

Russia is also starting to liberalize, in fact the Czar has just freed the serfs and massacred a load of old counts who opposed his reforms.

Yes, he killed ancient nobles and freed serfs. Bloody serfs.
You know when Prussia did that OTL, freeing the serfs? in 1807. Russia isn't liberalizing, it is de-backwardizing. (No offense Calt or any Russians out there).

Prussia is the only ally not reforming and they were pretty reformed in the first place.

I guess that much is true. But the one reform of yours I have read by now is sort of expanding beyond Prussia already.

I was thinking about becoming the Netherlands if Austria collapsed

mhm.

Reservation:
Location: The pink blob where a slightly diminished Belgium is, Port Moresby, Libreville (Gabon)
Nation Name: Protectorate of the Free City of Antwerp (Antwerp)
635 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

Sounds fine with me.

Interesting.

Oh

also tbh Austria will probably only die after a major continental war.

I can assure you I won't be starting one against you or your allies, as your allies are too far away and I'm bound by treaty not to kill you.

I won't be declaring war on France ever or on Iberia or any other power in Europe with other allies. In all honesty the only alliance bloc is Austria-Prussia-Russia, something the British, French, etc. are likely weary of (muh containment of Prussia).

Containment of Prussia? You mean like how in 1866 France agreed to help Prussia help Italy and how in 1870 the whole world started pressuring the NGC to moderate itself?

The League, what is it? a mutual defense pact etc, what are the parameters of the agreement?

I'd say mutual defense including against Rebellions against the crown, as seen in Hungary '48.

[Cyrisnia]

Generic Info
Nation Name: Ethiopian Empire - Mängəstä Ityop'p'ya/የኢትዮጵያ ንጉሠ ነገሥት መንግሥተ
Symbols: Ethiopia had a Pennant until the late 1800s. Official/Imperial Flag Coat of Arms
Homeland Population: Roughly 6,000,000
Imperial Population: No Colonies (yet)
Location/Claims: http://i.imgur.com/Ch9uywJ.png
Capital City: Addis Ababa.

Government Info
Government Type: Absolute Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: A centralized Imperial Government.
Ideology: Absolute Monarchy
Leader/s: Negus Sahle Dengel

Population Info
Brief Description of your people:
Religion: Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity
Ethnicity: Ethiopian
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Ethiopian.
Other Cultures: Isolated Sudanese and Somali pockets.

Military Info
Army: About 50,000 men in total. A very good quality compared to other African Nations; most men are trained in the art of the spear and sword, others with the bow. The Royal Guard, and some regiments of the Eastern Army. are equipped with muskets acquired by the Kingdom. Aside from that, there are isolated soldiers with looted muskets.
The army is divided into the following sections:
1. Militia - 10,000 Men throughout the Empire, mainly near the borders.
2. Northern Army - 7,600 Men. Near the Northern Border with the Ottoman and Sudanese Frontier.
3. Eastern Army - 9,500 Men. 1 Howitzer. Near the Eastern Border with Somalia. The best army.
4. Central Army - 2,000 Men. Garrison guarding the central bits of the Empire.
5. Southwestern Army - 6,300 Men. Mainly frontier guard against the Sudanese and other riffraff. Guard the South and Western Borders.
6. Mountain Skirmishers/Guerrillas - 4,000 men. Auxiliary force that help out the main army by guarding and skirmishing with the enemy in Ethiopia's many mountains. Not fun to meet.
7. Cavalry - Ethiopia is mostly mountain. They don't have much cavalry because of it, and the ones outside of the Royal Guard number roughly 1,500. Most have swords, shields, and maybe a musket.
8. Royal Guard - A mutlicorps group of soldiers, 500 Cavalry and 1,800 men, mainly follow the Negus around and protect him when needed.
9. Mercenaries - Various mercenaries. Mostly Somalis. About 6-7,000 men. Various arms.
Navy: Small Navy, one branch. About 3 or so ships of not-so-good quality. About 100 men in total.

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Mostly agricultural, although there IS lots of trade between Ethiopia and the nearby Euro colonies.
Goals: Trade, to become STRONK AFRICAN Power, Not get destroyed by foreigners.
History: No real alt history until yet. As of now, it is mostly the same, except the Negus is ailing, and his health is leaving. Fast.
RP Sample: I started a Mount and Blade: Warband RP. Then after that I joined a USAH RP.
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

[The Jonathanian States]

Also courland, I just read your surrender-post. Glorious references you k-nigt.

Elepis:
A) I'm not sure of your conclusion with regards to Prussian Artillery compared to the Austrian one.
B) This last reform is the sort of reform I mean that will be really making Prussia nervous of you.
C) I really don't see how your General can suddenly, without any previous analysis being mentioned, or without having a war with Prussia since the latter's Army reforms¹, come up with a full report on how the Prussian army is better than the Austrian one. I'm also unsure of this sudden slash in cavalry forces, though that one might be baseable on experiences from the Austro-Sardinian war, I guess.
D) I'm really not sure if you are already at the stage that conscripting the other nationalities is safe. But this sole point actually is mostly speculation.

[Finland SSR]

Switzerland's relevance is at an all-time high - we are between middle and small powers in that power line or sumthin'

Yay! The Swiss shall celebrate with... beer.

[Massari (Ancient)]

Massari call gold or silver, in exchange for 10% of the resources

[Cyrisnia]

Massari call gold or silver, in exchange for 10% of the resources

wat

[Elepis]

Also courland, I just read your surrender-post. Glorious references you k-nigt.

Elepis:
A) I'm not sure of your conclusion with regards to Prussian Artillery compared to the Austrian one.
B) This last reform is the sort of reform I mean that will be really making Prussia nervous of you.
C) I really don't see how your General can suddenly, without any previous analysis being mentioned, or without having a war with Prussia since the latter's Army reforms¹, come up with a full report on how the Prussian army is better than the Austrian one. I'm also unsure of this sudden slash in cavalry forces, though that one might be baseable on experiences from the Austro-Sardinian war, I guess.
D) I'm really not sure if you are already at the stage that conscripting the other nationalities is safe. But this sole point actually is mostly speculation.

A) Read it on Wiki about the Austro-Prussian war
B) Why?
C) Well, everyone will know how many railways Prussia has and how the organize their army, it is next to impossible to keep something like that secret, as for the cavalry. In the Napoleonic wars, when guns could fire maximum 4 rounds per minute, it was near suicide to charge an infantry positions. Now that guns can fire up to 7 rounds per minute, it is logical that it is even more suicidal to charge disciplined infantry
D)Eh, I will get rid of that

what is it about the reforms that are making Prussia nervous?

[Elepis]

Also courland, I just read your surrender-post. Glorious references you k-nigt.

Elepis:
A) I'm not sure of your conclusion with regards to Prussian Artillery compared to the Austrian one.
B) This last reform is the sort of reform I mean that will be really making Prussia nervous of you.
C) I really don't see how your General can suddenly, without any previous analysis being mentioned, or without having a war with Prussia since the latter's Army reforms¹, come up with a full report on how the Prussian army is better than the Austrian one. I'm also unsure of this sudden slash in cavalry forces, though that one might be baseable on experiences from the Austro-Sardinian war, I guess.
D) I'm really not sure if you are already at the stage that conscripting the other nationalities is safe. But this sole point actually is mostly speculation.

A) Read it on Wiki about the Austro-Prussian war
B) Why?
C) Well, everyone will know how many railways Prussia has and how the organize their army, it is next to impossible to keep something like that secret, as for the cavalry. In the Napoleonic wars, when guns could fire maximum 4 rounds per minute, it was near suicide to charge an infantry positions. Now that guns can fire up to 7 rounds per minute, it is logical that it is even more suicidal to charge disciplined infantry
D)Eh, I will get rid of that

what is it about the reforms that are making Prussia nervous?

Got rid of military stuff reforms, kept the social reforms (they will be it for awhile though)

[The Jonathanian States]

Also courland, I just read your surrender-post. Glorious references you k-nigt.

Elepis:
A) I'm not sure of your conclusion with regards to Prussian Artillery compared to the Austrian one.
B) This last reform is the sort of reform I mean that will be really making Prussia nervous of you.
C) I really don't see how your General can suddenly, without any previous analysis being mentioned, or without having a war with Prussia since the latter's Army reforms¹, come up with a full report on how the Prussian army is better than the Austrian one. I'm also unsure of this sudden slash in cavalry forces, though that one might be baseable on experiences from the Austro-Sardinian war, I guess.
D) I'm really not sure if you are already at the stage that conscripting the other nationalities is safe. But this sole point actually is mostly speculation.

A) Read it on Wiki about the Austro-Prussian war
B) Why?
C) Well, everyone will know how many railways Prussia has and how the organize their army, it is next to impossible to keep something like that secret, as for the cavalry. In the Napoleonic wars, when guns could fire maximum 4 rounds per minute, it was near suicide to charge an infantry positions. Now that guns can fire up to 7 rounds per minute, it is logical that it is even more suicidal to charge disciplined infantry
D)Eh, I will get rid of that

what is it about the reforms that are making Prussia nervous?

A) I recall it being valid in '66. Except we are 13 years before that and I TBH haven't seen any indication of when this actually became such. I guess it would be the respective implementations of those artillerys but that's the thing I don't know. Which is also why I said I'm not sure of your conclusion, rather than it being explicitly wrong.
B) Because you are giving your minorities political autonomous rights, something which Prussia doesn't do and doesn't want to do, but which the minorities in the areas around Austria will want too, sooner or later.
C) Why or how would everyone know either of those? Railways maybe, but that's something you have to note and go there. We are before the era of rapid spread of information. There isn't anything everybody knows, I'd say.
On the cavalry, I guess that might be reasonable enough - as I said, this part might've been based on reason.
D) A'ight.

A) Read it on Wiki about the Austro-Prussian war
B) Why?
C) Well, everyone will know how many railways Prussia has and how the organize their army, it is next to impossible to keep something like that secret, as for the cavalry. In the Napoleonic wars, when guns could fire maximum 4 rounds per minute, it was near suicide to charge an infantry positions. Now that guns can fire up to 7 rounds per minute, it is logical that it is even more suicidal to charge disciplined infantry
D)Eh, I will get rid of that

what is it about the reforms that are making Prussia nervous?

Got rid of military stuff reforms, kept the social reforms (they will be it for awhile though)

mhm.

[Elepis]

A) Read it on Wiki about the Austro-Prussian war
B) Why?
C) Well, everyone will know how many railways Prussia has and how the organize their army, it is next to impossible to keep something like that secret, as for the cavalry. In the Napoleonic wars, when guns could fire maximum 4 rounds per minute, it was near suicide to charge an infantry positions. Now that guns can fire up to 7 rounds per minute, it is logical that it is even more suicidal to charge disciplined infantry
D)Eh, I will get rid of that

what is it about the reforms that are making Prussia nervous?

A) I recall it being valid in '66. Except we are 13 years before that and I TBH haven't seen any indication of when this actually became such. I guess it would be the respective implementations of those artillerys but that's the thing I don't know. Which is also why I said I'm not sure of your conclusion, rather than it being explicitly wrong.
B) Because you are giving your minorities political autonomous rights, something which Prussia doesn't do and doesn't want to do, but which the minorities in the areas around Austria will want too, sooner or later.
C) Why or how would everyone know either of those? Railways maybe, but that's something you have to note and go there. We are before the era of rapid spread of information. There isn't anything everybody knows, I'd say.
On the cavalry, I guess that might be reasonable enough - as I said, this part might've been based on reason.
D) A'ight.

Got rid of military stuff reforms, kept the social reforms (they will be it for awhile though)

mhm.

I will also scale back slightly on the reforms.

When the League meets, I can seek military advise from grand old Prussia

[Elepis]

Gave Vienna a say on the Supreme Jury by having half the men appointed by the Emperor

Why did I chose to be Austria, of all places, why Austria? Why not Netherlands, rich, stable, powerful *smacks self*

[Liecthenbourg]

Generic Info
Nation Name: Ethiopian Empire - Mängəstä Ityop'p'ya/የኢትዮጵያ ንጉሠ ነገሥት መንግሥተ
Symbols: Ethiopia had a Pennant until the late 1800s. Official/Imperial Flag Coat of Arms
Homeland Population: Roughly 6,000,000
Imperial Population: No Colonies (yet)
Location/Claims: http://i.imgur.com/Ch9uywJ.png
Capital City: Addis Ababa.

Government Info
Government Type: Absolute Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: A centralized Imperial Government.
Ideology: Absolute Monarchy
Leader/s: Negus Sahle Dengel

Population Info
Brief Description of your people:
Religion: Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity
Ethnicity: Ethiopian
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Ethiopian.
Other Cultures: Isolated Sudanese and Somali pockets.

Military Info
Army: About 50,000 men in total. A very good quality compared to other African Nations; most men are trained in the art of the spear and sword, others with the bow. The Royal Guard, and some regiments of the Eastern Army. are equipped with muskets acquired by the Kingdom. Aside from that, there are isolated soldiers with looted muskets.
The army is divided into the following sections:
1. Militia - 10,000 Men throughout the Empire, mainly near the borders.
2. Northern Army - 7,600 Men. Near the Northern Border with the Ottoman and Sudanese Frontier.
3. Eastern Army - 9,500 Men. 1 Howitzer. Near the Eastern Border with Somalia. The best army.
4. Central Army - 2,000 Men. Garrison guarding the central bits of the Empire.
5. Southwestern Army - 6,300 Men. Mainly frontier guard against the Sudanese and other riffraff. Guard the South and Western Borders.
6. Mountain Skirmishers/Guerrillas - 4,000 men. Auxiliary force that help out the main army by guarding and skirmishing with the enemy in Ethiopia's many mountains. Not fun to meet.
7. Cavalry - Ethiopia is mostly mountain. They don't have much cavalry because of it, and the ones outside of the Royal Guard number roughly 1,500. Most have swords, shields, and maybe a musket.
8. Royal Guard - A mutlicorps group of soldiers, 500 Cavalry and 1,800 men, mainly follow the Negus around and protect him when needed.
9. Mercenaries - Various mercenaries. Mostly Somalis. About 6-7,000 men. Various arms.
Navy: Small Navy, one branch. About 3 or so ships of not-so-good quality. About 100 men in total.

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Mostly agricultural, although there IS lots of trade between Ethiopia and the nearby Euro colonies.
Goals: Trade, to become STRONK AFRICAN Power, Not get destroyed by foreigners.
History: No real alt history until yet. As of now, it is mostly the same, except the Negus is ailing, and his health is leaving. Fast.
RP Sample: I started a Mount and Blade: Warband RP. Then after that I joined a USAH RP.
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

The Gods of Kazakhstan have deemed it fit to accept thee.

[The Jonathanian States]

New Mappa.

Gave Vienna a say on the Supreme Jury by having half the men appointed by the Emperor

Why did I chose to be Austria, of all places, why Austria? Why not Netherlands, rich, stable, powerful *smacks self*

Mhm.

No idea. TBH Netherlands sort of got nerfed.

A) I recall it being valid in '66. Except we are 13 years before that and I TBH haven't seen any indication of when this actually became such. I guess it would be the respective implementations of those artillerys but that's the thing I don't know. Which is also why I said I'm not sure of your conclusion, rather than it being explicitly wrong.
B) Because you are giving your minorities political autonomous rights, something which Prussia doesn't do and doesn't want to do, but which the minorities in the areas around Austria will want too, sooner or later.
C) Why or how would everyone know either of those? Railways maybe, but that's something you have to note and go there. We are before the era of rapid spread of information. There isn't anything everybody knows, I'd say.
On the cavalry, I guess that might be reasonable enough - as I said, this part might've been based on reason.
D) A'ight.

mhm.

I will also scale back slightly on the reforms.

When the League meets, I can seek military advise from grand old Prussia

Great.

[Elepis]

New Mappa.

Gave Vienna a say on the Supreme Jury by having half the men appointed by the Emperor

Why did I chose to be Austria, of all places, why Austria? Why not Netherlands, rich, stable, powerful *smacks self*

Mhm.

No idea. TBH Netherlands sort of got nerfed.

Pardon?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

New Mappa.

Mhm.

No idea. TBH Netherlands sort of got nerfed.

Pardon?

Historically the Netherlands were only really viable due to the Dutch East Indies, which in our timeline are the British East Indies.

So tbh they really wouldn't be that relevant or wealthy as a result. I mean they would not be awful, but they are certainly nerfed.

[Elepis]

Pardon?

Historically the Netherlands were only really viable due to the Dutch East Indies, which in our timeline are the British East Indies.

So tbh they really wouldn't be that relevant or wealthy as a result. I mean they would not be awful, but they are certainly nerfed.

Oh, they could expand else where maybe

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Historically the Netherlands were only really viable due to the Dutch East Indies, which in our timeline are the British East Indies.

So tbh they really wouldn't be that relevant or wealthy as a result. I mean they would not be awful, but they are certainly nerfed.

Oh, they could expand else where maybe

There really isn't anywhere for them to go tbh.

Africa isn't colonizable yet. Oz and NZ are British. Mughals are independent. Siam would require conquest.

[Liecthenbourg]

Oh, they could expand else where maybe

There really isn't anywhere for them to go tbh.

Africa isn't colonizable yet. Oz and NZ are British. Mughals are independent. Siam would require conquest.

Indeed. They probably only have some Caribbean isles and Dutch Guyana - maybe some coastal African provinces.

[The Jonathanian States]

Actual new mappa, now with less caring about locals.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Oh, they could expand else where maybe

There really isn't anywhere for them to go tbh.

Africa isn't colonizable yet. Oz and NZ are British. Mughals are independent. Siam would require conquest.

Come at me bro. lol. Netherlands couldn't take Siam.

[Liecthenbourg]

Actual new mappa, now with less caring about locals.

In the true European Fashion.

[The New Lowlands]

There really isn't anywhere for them to go tbh.

Africa isn't colonizable yet. Oz and NZ are British. Mughals are independent. Siam would require conquest.

Come at me bro. lol. Netherlands couldn't take Siam.

we took aceh

that shit was tougher than siam