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[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

@Elepis, viewtopic.php?p=25334990#p25334990

[Elepis]

@Elepis, viewtopic.php?p=25334990#p25334990

I will reply (and accept) tomorrow morning, to late to reply now. Something I meant to ask is that an Austrian consulate is established in the Capital, could you add that?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

@Elepis, viewtopic.php?p=25334990#p25334990

I will reply (and accept) tomorrow morning, to late to reply now. Something I meant to ask is that an Austrian consulate is established in the Capital, could you add that?

Just make that your request in your reply. Could Siam have a Consulate in Vienna?

[Moorwhyne]

-snip-

I'll start with your history, because that is the root of all things.

-Point of deviation 1591

This means everything stays the same until then. Which by extension means that:

Rather then being ruined by the moors, the empire of Songhai beat them back and made their empire stronger then ever under the Bāru dynasty.

That cannot happen. And that:

The Bāru dynasty came to power through military coup, after the last of the Askia kings wished to capitulate to the moors.

Doesn't have to happen. Or rather, doesn't make sense happening.

After that the Bāru dynasty quickly turned Songhai into a modernized military power, with lots of help from reverse engineering firearms and cannons that the moors had left behind.

The moors can't have left firearms and cannons behind because they can't have lost with a PoD of 1591. At least not with ASB-level of incompetence.
Also, AFAIK reverse engineering from zero firearms to firearms of the end of the 16th century isn't that easy (On this specific thing I might be wrong, though).

After the war with the Moors and subsequent collapse of their invasion, Songhai grew into a prosperous nation.

Songhai used to be prosperous once, thanks to the trade that collapsed even before due to the Moorish invasion thanks to civil wars. And the lack of trade is probably related to the invasion.

A lot of focus was put on expanding road networks to other African nations,

I doubt the reasonableness of this.

and attempting to produce their own firearms.

This is sort of based on the reverse-engineering, I guess. Assuming the former is possible, which as I said I'm really unsure of, this might be possible too. Note, too.

In 1620 there was a huge failure of crops that left a large portion of the Songhai empire starving.

This is interesting considering it seems that rather than attempting to build roads the Songhai rulers proximate to the end of the Songhai actually worked sort of to reduce the risk of this.
So assuming you do build those roads this might work quite well.

With far to little time to build up a decent farming industry the Songhai had to look to invasion to satisfy their needs. And Thus began the war with northern Nigeria.

Eh.... Invasions require food too. So sure, you could have invaded, but I'm not convinced that it would've been the step preventing the most deaths of starvation.

In 1622 The Bāru dynasty, masters of modern warfare and western tactics were able to beat back the initial counter attacks by overwhelming firepower.

Now, let's give you the benefit of doubt and say you indeed have the better firepower. Somehow.
Why would the Barus have mastered modern warfare and tactics, what with having solely short contact with the not-quite-western Moors and no other westerners, as far as you are mentioning.

However, as the Songhai generals pushed farther into Nigeria the supply convoys kept getting ambushed, they could no longer get the supplies they needed to fight the Nigerians.

See above with regards to the supplies being food required. Which becomes even more amusing if the food just gets lost in the middle of Nigeria.

With morale low, men starving, they were forced to pull back into northern Nigeria and fortify their position.

Fair enough.

Since then the Songhai have retained an uneasy peace with the Nigerians, and have been forcing the Nigerians to pay them tribute.

The latter part of this doesn't seem to make too much sense. If the Songhai didn't manage to hold what is now Nigeria how would they be able to enforce payment of tribute? Why would the Nigerians pay if they can cut Songhai lines of supply and so beat back invasions?

The next 40 years in Songhai history is relatively uneventful, other then a few pacts with African nations that have risen and fallen.

Mhm.

In 1665 the Songhai empire connected all of its major towns with decent roads.

See above, on the roads.

And In 1674 the Songhai made a unsuccessful attack on the Moorish kingdom.

Mhm.

However Songhai history gets more interesting in 1746.

Let's see it, then.

As a huge political power struggle erupts into a almost full scale war.

mhm.

A majority of the Songhai people liked the current Sultan Baratush III however, there was growing ideas that a council should be put in place.

Why would that idea grow?
In bloody europe this didn't even start becoming an idea until the 1790s. And then it was shut down and only re-appeared in 1848. And was crushed again, for the record.

A council that could limit the Sultans power, and make sure that the people had a voice. One of the Sultans own advisors had plotted to force him to accept the council idea. However Sultan Baratush III caught wind of the plot through his youngest son, who was exposed to the plot because the plotters vowed to give him Sultanship over his brother. Sultan Baratush III had a lot of the plotters brought before him in public and forced to explain themselves. When they were finished explaing themselves the king asked the famous question "Nini haja ya mimi kutoa kwa ajili ya upendo wako?" (What need I give for your love?) To which the plotters replied "Taji yako" (Your crown.)

The Sultan had the plotters killed and tensions rose significantly, as more and more people began to seek change in the Songhai government. A full scale riot occurred in Gao, and the Sultan didn't try to stop it. Rather he implemented a way for the people to elect officials to serve in his court. And although this didn't really grant the people much more autonomy it still managed to quell the revolts . Sultan Baratush III was then given the title "The peaceful Sultan" and the peace continued all the way up until today.

Yeah, no, I really can't see this happening.

A few other issues I had:

• Your form of government, as indicated above.
• Your borders being exactly modern mali and niger
• The more modernized part of your army, as I also mentioned above in the relevant part of your history.

I'm not even on the thing.
*cries manly tears*

Hush now.

Alright, got it.

[Elepis]

I will reply (and accept) tomorrow morning, to late to reply now. Something I meant to ask is that an Austrian consulate is established in the Capital, could you add that?

Just make that your request in your reply. Could Siam have a Consulate in Vienna?

sure

[Moorwhyne]

Well, I suppose I gave it a shot.

[Elepis]

Well, I suppose I gave it a shot.

you could be something easier like Sicily, Hellas, Antwerp, Wurrtumburg etc

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Just make that your request in your reply. Could Siam have a Consulate in Vienna?

sure

Woohoo for Diplomacy.

[Moorwhyne]

Since Songhai is a no go (It was a long shot, but eh, I tried)

Anyone have any other nations that you lot need filled... (Preferably ones where I am not going to get insta-raped)

[Liecthenbourg]

Since Songhai is a no go (It was a long shot, but eh, I tried)

Anyone have any other nations that you lot need filled... (Preferably ones where I am not going to get insta-raped)

Mexico

[Elepis]

Since Songhai is a no go (It was a long shot, but eh, I tried)

Anyone have any other nations that you lot need filled... (Preferably ones where I am not going to get insta-raped)

Sicily, Hellas, Oman, Morocco, Antwerp

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Since Songhai is a no go (It was a long shot, but eh, I tried)

Anyone have any other nations that you lot need filled... (Preferably ones where I am not going to get insta-raped)

RIP to Sicily.

#RuleItalia1853

Also Hellas is taken and has a player.

[Elepis]

Since Songhai is a no go (It was a long shot, but eh, I tried)

Anyone have any other nations that you lot need filled... (Preferably ones where I am not going to get insta-raped)

RIP to Sicily.

#RuleItalia1853

Also Hellas is taken and has a player.

Oh, not Hellas then

Various German states

[Liecthenbourg]

RIP to Sicily.

#RuleItalia1853

Also Hellas is taken and has a player.

Oh, not Hellas then

Various German states

And Mexico.

[The Union of Courland]

Since Songhai is a no go (It was a long shot, but eh, I tried)

Anyone have any other nations that you lot need filled... (Preferably ones where I am not going to get insta-raped)

Sicily, Hellas, Oman, Morocco, Antwerp

Don't so Sicily. North Italy plans to invade it, so you will get insta-raped. I would recommend Antwerp. You'd be nice and cozy under GB's umbrella. AKA their massive Armed Forces.

[Elepis]

Sicily, Hellas, Oman, Morocco, Antwerp

Don't so Sicily. North Italy plans to invade it, so you will get insta-raped. I would recommend Antwerp. You'd be nice and cozy under GB's umbrella. AKA their massive Armed Forces.

You can also be rich and lend poor folk money. Perhaps have a small African colony or too

[The Union of Courland]

Don't so Sicily. North Italy plans to invade it, so you will get insta-raped. I would recommend Antwerp. You'd be nice and cozy under GB's umbrella. AKA their massive Armed Forces.

You can also be rich and lend poor folk money. Perhaps have a small African colony or too

I want a small African Colony. Sardinia! Halp!

[Moorwhyne]

Oh, not Hellas then

Various German states

And Mexico.

I am quite liking the idea of either being the remaining southern German states under the Hessens (Will figure out if that could work or not, but the HRE being the political clusterfuck that it was I can probably find some conflict that justifies it.)

Or... as Leichten is heavily hinting at, I could be Mexico...

But that kind of feels like a late game American invasion bait nation....

IDK, the moors are ottoman rape bait , Hellas is also Ottoman rape bait (Sorry dude who has Hellas)

I'll be posting my app today, as either Mexico or Hessia.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

You can also be rich and lend poor folk money. Perhaps have a small African colony or too

I want a small African Colony. Sardinia! Halp!

Silly Pope, Africa is for France!

[Elepis]

And Mexico.

I am quite liking the idea of either being the remaining southern German states under the Hessens (Will figure out if that could work or not, but the HRE being the political clusterfuck that it was I can probably find some conflict that justifies it.)

Or... as Leichten is heavily hinting at, I could be Mexico...

But that kind of feels like a late game American invasion bait nation....

IDK, the moors are ottoman rape bait , Hellas is also Ottoman rape bait (Sorry dude who has Hellas)

I'll be posting my app today, as either Mexico or Hessia.

Do not be Mexico if you want to live

[The Jonathanian States]

And Mexico.

I am quite liking the idea of either being the remaining southern German states under the Hessens (Will figure out if that could work or not, but the HRE being the political clusterfuck that it was I can probably find some conflict that justifies it.)

Or... as Leichten is heavily hinting at, I could be Mexico...

But that kind of feels like a late game American invasion bait nation....

IDK, the moors are ottoman rape bait , Hellas is also Ottoman rape bait (Sorry dude who has Hellas)

I'll be posting my app today, as either Mexico or Hessia.

I'll be watching you with regards to being the remaining Germans. Watching closely.

[Liecthenbourg]

I am quite liking the idea of either being the remaining southern German states under the Hessens (Will figure out if that could work or not, but the HRE being the political clusterfuck that it was I can probably find some conflict that justifies it.)

Or... as Leichten is heavily hinting at, I could be Mexico...

But that kind of feels like a late game American invasion bait nation....

IDK, the moors are ottoman rape bait , Hellas is also Ottoman rape bait (Sorry dude who has Hellas)

I'll be posting my app today, as either Mexico or Hessia.

Do not be Mexico if you want to live

And you're advocating the Sicilies? NIC Target #1

[Jaslandia]

Graphy. Weird Sized text cause on phone making this.

Boers cannot into power.

[Liecthenbourg]

Graphy. Weird Sized text cause on phone making this.

Boers cannot into power.

Who?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Graphy. Weird Sized text cause on phone making this.

Boers cannot into power.

What do you have, less than 2 million souls? That's the size of the Mughal Regular Army.