Guns, Drums and Steel [OOC|Open]

[The Union of Courland]

Under the Royal Army of Sardinian-Lombardia we have all this fun stuff.
-3rd Army Corps (3º Corpo d'armata) (65k - standing, professional army)
--1st Division of the Line (25k)
---Brigade of the Line Nizza (5k)
---Brigade of the Line Torino (5k)
---Brigade of the Line Milano (5k)
---Brigade of the Line Genova (5k)
---Brigade of the Line Piedmonte (5k)
--3rd Division of the Line (25k)
---Brigade of the Line Brescia (5k)
---Brigade of the Line Firenze (5k)
---Brigade of the Line Bologna (5k)
---Brigade of the Line Modena (5k)
---Brigade of the Line Montova (5k)
--5th Division of the Line (15k)
---Brigade of the Line Sardegna (5k)
---Brigade of the Line Siena (5k)
---Brigade of the Line Parma (5k)

-5th Army Corps (5º Corpo d'armata) (42k reserves, mix of conscripts and volunteers)
--Who cares how this is organized it sucks

-4th Army Corps (Cavalry Corps 2,420)
-Line Regiments (950)
--2nd Cavalry Regiment of the Line Nizza Cavalleria (Hussars - 250) (Attached to 1st Division)
--4th Cavalry Regiment of the Line Piemonte Reale (Lancers - 200) (Attached to 2nd Division)
--6th Cavalry Regiment of the Line Savoia Cavalleria (Mounted Riflemen - 250) (Attached to 1st Division)
--8th Cavalry Regiment of the Line Genova Cavalleria (Mounted Riflemen -250) (Attached to 2nd Division)
-Guide Squadrons (70)
--1st Guide Squadron (25) (Attached to 1st Division)
--2nd Guide Squadron (25) (Attached to 2nd Division)
--3rd Guide Squadron (20) (Attached to 3rd Division)
-Regiments (1,400)
--1st Calvary Regiment Lancieri di Novara (Lancers - 250) (Attached to 1st Division)
--3rd Calvary Regiment Lancieri di Aosta (Lancers - 200) (Attached to 2nd Division)
--5th Calvary Regiment Saluzzo Cavalleria (Mounted Riflemen - 350) (Attached to 1st Division)
--7th Calvary Regiment Monferrato Cavalleria (Mounted Riflemen - 350)(Attached to 2nd Division)
--9th Calvary Regiment Brescia Cavalleria (Mounted Riflemen - 250) (Attached to 3rd Division)

-6th Army Corps (80 Guns, 320 men)
--1st Battalion (40 guns, 160 men) (Attached to 1st Division)
--2nd Battalion (40 guns, 160 men) (Attached to 2nd Division)

I believe this is done. Fear the mighty meatball.

I like it, I like it a lot.

"PIZZA PIZZA" - Italian Commanders.

Long Live Papa Khan!
I mean El Papa!
I mean the Pope!

[Reatra]

But that's still an invasion if your men are doing it...

Invasion is an ugly word. I prefer the term "appropriation of neglected lands".

If by neglected you mean "autonomous province" than yeah...

[Lunas Legion]

Invasion is an ugly word. I prefer the term "appropriation of neglected lands".

If by neglected you mean "autonomous province" than yeah...

Go send some men to take it back man. You're China; you're supposed to be Asia's biggest land power FFS. Don't let Mughal push the Middle Kingdom around.

[Liecthenbourg]

Invasion is an ugly word. I prefer the term "appropriation of neglected lands".

If by neglected you mean "autonomous province" than yeah...

G will throw men at you.

THROW MEN BACK AT HIM.

[Reatra]

If by neglected you mean "autonomous province" than yeah...

Go send some men to take it back man. You're China; you're supposed to be Asia's biggest land power FFS. Don't let Mughal push the Middle Kingdom around.

I'm not. It's just the idea he even TRIED it.

The only people who've taken land from China are the Mongols led by their Kha... Oooooooh.....

[Lunas Legion]

If by neglected you mean "autonomous province" than yeah...

G will throw men at you.

THROW MEN BACK AT HIM.

China can build a higher wall of bodies than India. Ergo, China will certianly win manspam wars.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

G will throw men at you.

THROW MEN BACK AT HIM.

China can build a higher wall of bodies than India. Ergo, China will certianly win manspam wars.

But Mughals have 1.25X Damage Modifier for being better tech and organization. Or simply not being China in a land war.

[Liecthenbourg]

G will throw men at you.

THROW MEN BACK AT HIM.

China can build a higher wall of bodies than India. Ergo, China will certianly win manspam wars.

Ah, but we must factor in the 1.2% bonus for Elephants.

But the Chinese have fireworks. Which gives the devastatingly effective 0.85% morale boost.

[Lunas Legion]

China can build a higher wall of bodies than India. Ergo, China will certianly win manspam wars.

But Mughals have 1.25X Damage Modifier for being better tech and organization. Or simply not being China in a land war.

Pah. Mughals lose their 1.25x modifier due to not having enough shot and powder to kill all the Chinese.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

The Mughals and Chinese are just gonna spam bodies at each other and hope one comes out on top of the other. I mean that's basically their tactics.

There is no way the Chinese are gonna twiddle their thumbs and let the Mughals land grab lol. Even if they have a disadvantage, they're gonna defend themselves.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

China can build a higher wall of bodies than India. Ergo, China will certianly win manspam wars.

Ah, but we must factor in the 1.2% bonus for Elephants.

But the Chinese have fireworks. Which gives the devastatingly effective 0.85% morale boost.

But Mughals have rockets! +.9% Siege, +.4% Morale, -.8% Defensive

[G-Tech Corporation]

The Mughals and Chinese are just gonna spam bodies at each other and hope one comes out on top of the other. I mean that's basically their tactics.

There is no way the Chinese are gonna twiddle their thumbs and let the Mughals land grab lol. Even if they have a disadvantage, they're gonna defend themselves.

Maybe.

Honestly, I'm betting on the months of communication to anything like actual Chinese land to let me get a pretty firm grip on the area and the support of at least some of the populous.

[Liecthenbourg]

Ah, but we must factor in the 1.2% bonus for Elephants.

But the Chinese have fireworks. Which gives the devastatingly effective 0.85% morale boost.

But Mughals have rockets! +.9% Siege, +.4% Morale, -.8% Defensive

Ah, but so do the Chinese!

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

France/Lunas, I'd like to invite private French Industrialists into Siam. Maybe hire one or two Ordnance and Small Arms guys to come over and help modernize the system. We would be paying them in jewels and cash.

[Lunas Legion]

France/Lunas, I'd like to invite private French Industrialists into Siam. Maybe hire one or two Ordnance and Small Arms guys to come over and help modernize the system. We would be paying them in jewels and cash.

France keeps their artillery people under close wraps. We'd need a pretty good reason to release them to provide assistance.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

France/Lunas, I'd like to invite private French Industrialists into Siam. Maybe hire one or two Ordnance and Small Arms guys to come over and help modernize the system. We would be paying them in jewels and cash.

France keeps their artillery people under close wraps. We'd need a pretty good reason to release them to provide assistance.

I was looking more for the Rifles and Muskets kinda guys. And the ones who do gunpowder, etc.

[Reatra]

The Mughals and Chinese are just gonna spam bodies at each other and hope one comes out on top of the other. I mean that's basically their tactics.

There is no way the Chinese are gonna twiddle their thumbs and let the Mughals land grab lol. Even if they have a disadvantage, they're gonna defend themselves.

Maybe.

Honestly, I'm betting on the months of communication to anything like actual Chinese land to let me get a pretty firm grip on the area and the support of at least some of the populous.

Wait... Why would they support you? You can't really give hem MORE freedom than I have. Unless you plan on giving them independence, I basically let them do whatever as long as they're my color on a map. They were former Qing states that had a brief period of independence. So I don't see why they'd support either side. You will either give them less freedom or the same.

[Lunas Legion]

France keeps their artillery people under close wraps. We'd need a pretty good reason to release them to provide assistance.

I was looking more for the Rifles and Muskets kinda guys. And the ones who do gunpowder, etc.

Gunpowder you'd be able to get easily, but the rest of the arms industry have a close eye kept on them.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

I was looking more for the Rifles and Muskets kinda guys. And the ones who do gunpowder, etc.

Gunpowder you'd be able to get easily, but the rest of the arms industry have a close eye kept on them.

If I can get a guy who knows about percussion caps and their manufacture, I'd make him a Lord.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Maybe.

Honestly, I'm betting on the months of communication to anything like actual Chinese land to let me get a pretty firm grip on the area and the support of at least some of the populous.

Wait... Why would they support you? You can't really give hem MORE freedom than I have. Unless you plan on giving them independence, I basically let them do whatever as long as they're my color on a map. They were former Qing states that had a brief period of independence. So I don't see why they'd support either side. You will either give them less freedom or the same.

Well, they're more closely entwined economically, socially, and culturally with Afghanistan/Jammu and Kashmir than they are with the Great Wu. Since they probably don't care, even the borders moving to allow no tariffs on moving goods to Afghar markets is probably appreciated. Plus then they aren't technically behold to the Han, and are part of a more pluralistic society.

[Reatra]

Wait... Why would they support you? You can't really give hem MORE freedom than I have. Unless you plan on giving them independence, I basically let them do whatever as long as they're my color on a map. They were former Qing states that had a brief period of independence. So I don't see why they'd support either side. You will either give them less freedom or the same.

Well, they're more closely entwined economically, socially, and culturally with Afghanistan/Jammu and Kashmir than they are with the Great Wu. Since they probably don't care, even the borders moving to allow no tariffs on moving goods to Afghar markets is probably appreciated. Plus then they aren't technically behold to the Han, and are part of a more pluralistic society.

I'd think they really wouldn't care who wins as long as there is no looting of pillaging. You know?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Well, they're more closely entwined economically, socially, and culturally with Afghanistan/Jammu and Kashmir than they are with the Great Wu. Since they probably don't care, even the borders moving to allow no tariffs on moving goods to Afghar markets is probably appreciated. Plus then they aren't technically behold to the Han, and are part of a more pluralistic society.

I'd think they really wouldn't care who wins as long as there is no looting of pillaging. You know?

^I'm inclined to with Reatra, except that Mughals Economic center is closer and in this age, Tariffs were ridiculous.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Well, they're more closely entwined economically, socially, and culturally with Afghanistan/Jammu and Kashmir than they are with the Great Wu. Since they probably don't care, even the borders moving to allow no tariffs on moving goods to Afghar markets is probably appreciated. Plus then they aren't technically behold to the Han, and are part of a more pluralistic society.

I'd think they really wouldn't care who wins as long as there is no looting of pillaging. You know?

Probably largely. They're just random goatherds and nomads until you get to Kaxgar. But of the few who would care, I can't think of any real reasons to support the Wu (habit maybe?), and several to support the Mughals.

Either way, it should be interesting fighting in the literal middle of nowhere.

[Reatra]

I'd think they really wouldn't care who wins as long as there is no looting of pillaging. You know?

Probably largely. They're just random goatherds and nomads until you get to Kaxgar. But of the few who would care, I can't think of any real reasons to support the Wu (habit maybe?), and several to support the Mughals.

Either way, it should be interesting fighting in the literal middle of nowhere.

So you're invading parts of Xinjiang through Tibet?

[Liecthenbourg]

I'd think they really wouldn't care who wins as long as there is no looting of pillaging. You know?

Probably largely. They're just random goatherds and nomads until you get to Kaxgar. But of the few who would care, I can't think of any real reasons to support the Wu (habit maybe?), and several to support the Mughals.

Either way, it should be interesting fighting in the literal middle of nowhere.

Can you please refer to this conflict as the Elephant versus the Dragon?