Game of Thrones: Conquest [OOC Thread|AU|Closed]

[Arnoria]

Lol, I just checked the map. Aegon's surrounded. xD

I'm not surrounded, I'm just in a target-rich environment.

Wrong word. I mean I cant get into you without meeting Stannis. The quickest way is through Kingswood, but after I pass Kingswood, I'll be welcomed by House Errol's patrols or even army.

[Ghondra]

Nice, This is really effin detailed (pardon my french) I'm In, App Incoming. Reserve House Marbrand of the Westerlands please.

Ghondra! It's been a while!

Valloria, buddy! I could hug you if, you know, we're not thousands and thousands of miles apart.

[Kings Island]

Lol, I just checked the map. Aegon's surrounded. xD

I'm not surrounded, I'm just in a target-rich environment.

You're not really "surrounded" per se, as I'm only blocking the roads, but supplies can't reach you unless you commit a large portion of your force to opening up the roads, at which point I'd assault the camp.

The besieging force has become the besieged force xD. We agreed that you have 4-5 months worth of provisions, right?

[Ghondra]

So can I get a SITREP on what's going on in the IC?

[Arnoria]

Starks are gathering their host in the North, Ironborn have launched a brief but intense raiding campaign into the Riverlands before breaking off for a more prolonged attack on the Westerlands. Victarion's fleet is now quite close to Lannisport, hoping to bait the Lannister fleet into coming out and fighting. Theon Greyjoy is back in the North (disguised, this time) along with Rodrik the Reader to present Balon's peace terms to Robb.

Viserys is sick and all but guaranteed to die though only he and a few maesters are aware. He's currently dealing with the High Sparrow and whatnot. A fleet under Davos has defeated Aegon's fleet and is now moving on Griffin's Roost. Aegon's army has moved on Storm's End where Stannis is waiting for him. The Redwynes are considering to change their allegiance to Stannis after Paxter Redwyne was promised Shireen's hand for one of his sons. The Vale is joining the Kingdom of the North. Oberyn is Hand of the King for Viserys, Tyrstane is in King's Landing, Myrcella has pledge an allegiance to the Iron Throne to be with Tyrstane. Margaery and Lorras are still rotting in the Sept of Baelor and Viserys is preparing for war, and so do Robb Stark, planning to cross the Trident.

by Valloria

[Ghondra]

So the Martells along with the Targaryens are at war with the Lannisters and Stannis right?

[Kings Island]

Starks are gathering their host in the North, Ironborn have launched a brief but intense raiding campaign into the Riverlands before breaking off for a more prolonged attack on the Westerlands. Victarion's fleet is now quite close to Lannisport, hoping to bait the Lannister fleet into coming out and fighting. Theon Greyjoy is back in the North (disguised, this time) along with Rodrik the Reader to present Balon's peace terms to Robb.

Viserys is sick and all but guaranteed to die though only he and a few maesters are aware. He's currently dealing with the High Sparrow and whatnot. A fleet under Davos has defeated Aegon's fleet and is now moving on Griffin's Roost. Aegon's army has moved on Storm's End where Stannis is waiting for him. The Redwynes are considering to change their allegiance to Stannis after Paxter Redwyne was promised Shireen's hand for one of his sons. The Vale is joining the Kingdom of the North. Oberyn is Hand of the King for Viserys, Tyrstane is in King's Landing, Myrcella has pledge an allegiance to the Iron Throne to be with Tyrstane. Margaery and Lorras are still rotting in the Sept of Baelor and Viserys is preparing for war.

by Valloria

That, and Stannis has sent the Houses Errol and Tarth to cut off shipments to Aegon along the Stormroad. Also, he's close to reaching a deal with the Redwynes. Oh, and Viserys has banned all religion and summoned his vassals to court.

[Arnoria]

So the Martells along with the Targaryens are at war with the Lannisters and Stannis right?

Yep, the Reach and Dorne are parts of the Targaryen Imperium. The Westerlands and Bolton-controlled Riverlands are still serving under the rightful King Tommen Baratheon. And Daenerys is going to be wed to Jon Stark.

That, and Stannis has sent the Houses Errol and Tarth to cut off shipments to Aegon along the Stormroad. Also, he's close to reaching a deal with the Redwynes. Oh, and Viserys has banned all religion and summoned his vassals to court.

^And this one. We haven't send shipments yet though.

[Kings Island]

So the Martells along with the Targaryens are at war with the Lannisters and Stannis right?

Yep, the Reach and Dorne are parts of the Targaryen Imperium. The Westerlands and Bolton-controlled Riverlands are still serving under the rightful King Tommen Baratheon. And Daenerys is going to be wed to Jon Stark.

That, and Stannis has sent the Houses Errol and Tarth to cut off shipments to Aegon along the Stormroad. Also, he's close to reaching a deal with the Redwynes. Oh, and Viserys has banned all religion and summoned his vassals to court.

^And this one. We haven't send shipments yet though.

That was poorly stated on my part; I'm cutting off all shipments, of any kind. I'm getting supplied by sea so I can afford to do that.

[Ghondra]

So the Martells along with the Targaryens are at war with the Lannisters and Stannis right?

Yep, the Reach and Dorne are parts of the Targaryen Imperium. The Westerlands and Bolton-controlled Riverlands are still serving under the rightful King Tommen Baratheon. And Daenerys is going to be wed to Jon Stark.

That, and Stannis has sent the Houses Errol and Tarth to cut off shipments to Aegon along the Stormroad. Also, he's close to reaching a deal with the Redwynes. Oh, and Viserys has banned all religion and summoned his vassals to court.

^And this one. We haven't send shipments yet though.

So there's an alliance between the Targaryens and the Starks/Tullys?

[Arnoria]

Yep, the Reach and Dorne are parts of the Targaryen Imperium. The Westerlands and Bolton-controlled Riverlands are still serving under the rightful King Tommen Baratheon. And Daenerys is going to be wed to Jon Stark.



^And this one. We haven't send shipments yet though.

So there's an alliance between the Targaryens and the Starks/Tullys?

Yes, there is.

[Valloria]

Is it possible and reasonable for Viserys to attack Hayford Castle (They're still loyal to the Lannisters) in the Crownlands after handling the Faith Militant, and march along the Kingsroad and enter Riverlands to liberate it? While Viserys send supplies and weapons to his nephew, Aegon, through the Kingswood so that the Golden Kingdom can hold Stannis for now while the Crownlands is vulnerable.

Oh, and remember, all leader from all Houses in the Reach and Dorne are summoned to King's Landing within the fortnight. Oberyn, Trystane (and Myrcella) are already in King's Landing for Ghondra's information.

Can I use their gold dragons for their own purchases? As in, could I use Florent money to buy the Florents troops?

I'm afraid not, sorry.

I really need to start CCing you in on my TGs with Nasaira, Arn.

Here is some of the information you might want to know, taken verbatim from TGs to Nasaira (who is going to betray the Starks for me):

The Reach won't be a problem for long, with House Redwyne considering the Stannis option. That's a fourth of their armies and half of their navy. The Westerlands can challenge the Reach easily if that deal goes through, and they won't be a concern once the Targaryens are destroyed. That's what I'm sending fifty five thousand men to do - sack King's Landing and kill the Targaryens once and for all. If that happens, Olenna Tyrell will accept defeat and submit to House Lannister. After all, there'll be no-one of note left to support. Stannis won't have the gold nor men to challenge us, and Aegon will be too worn down from fighting him. Margaery Tyrell will marry Martyn Lannister (who is the son Kevan Lannister, now heir to Casterly Rock), and Tommen will rule the seven kingdoms. The Greyjoys will be of little concern, especially considering that the Lannister fleet will soon eclipse them in size and strength with the amount of money I currently spend on ships. We have an assured victory. The Reach will then march on Dorne, if they haven't yet pledged fealty to Tommen, and then we will march with 150,000 men to the North. Finally, we will send the combined Lannister, Tyrell, and Arryn fleets to sack Pyke.

A brilliant idea just formed in my head. You send twenty thousand of your men to the North and join up with Robb Stark's forces. I have forty thousand men waiting for him. When the moment is right, as the battle is just about to begin, you betray Robb's men and we sandwich his forces, crushing them.

[The Krogan]

Fucking Lannisters....

[Kings Island]

Is it possible and reasonable for Viserys to attack Hayford Castle (They're still loyal to the Lannisters) in the Crownlands after handling the Faith Militant, and march along the Kingsroad and enter Riverlands to liberate it? While Viserys send supplies and weapons to his nephew, Aegon, through the Kingswood so that the Golden Kingdom can hold Stannis for now while the Crownlands is vulnerable.

Oh, and remember, all leader from all Houses in the Reach and Dorne are summoned to King's Landing within the fortnight. Oberyn, Trystane (and Myrcella) are already in King's Landing for Ghondra's information.



I'm afraid not, sorry.

I really need to start CCing you in on my TGs with Nasaira, Arn.

Here is some of the information you might want to know, taken verbatim from TGs to Nasaira (who is going to betray the Starks for me):

The Reach won't be a problem for long, with House Redwyne considering the Stannis option. That's a fourth of their armies and half of their navy. The Westerlands can challenge the Reach easily if that deal goes through, and they won't be a concern once the Targaryens are destroyed. That's what I'm sending fifty five thousand men to do - sack King's Landing and kill the Targaryens once and for all. If that happens, Olenna Tyrell will accept defeat and submit to House Lannister. After all, there'll be no-one of note left to support. Stannis won't have the gold nor men to challenge us, and Aegon will be too worn down from fighting him. Margaery Tyrell will marry Martyn Lannister (who is the son Kevan Lannister, now heir to Casterly Rock), and Tommen will rule the seven kingdoms. The Greyjoys will be of little concern, especially considering that the Lannister fleet will soon eclipse them in size and strength with the amount of money I currently spend on ships. We have an assured victory. The Reach will then march on Dorne, if they haven't yet pledged fealty to Tommen, and then we will march with 150,000 men to the North. Finally, we will send the combined Lannister, Tyrell, and Arryn fleets to sack Pyke.

A brilliant idea just formed in my head. You send twenty thousand of your men to the North and join up with Robb Stark's forces. I have forty thousand men waiting for him. When the moment is right, as the battle is just about to begin, you betray Robb's men and we sandwich his forces, crushing them.

"Stannis doesn't have the money or troops". Heh.

Once the Redwyne deal goes through, I'll have the largest navy. I have around 35,000 men at present but 5 fully upgraded R'hlorr temples(which I will be able to build with the Iron Bank's support) will push my total income up to around 20,000 DG a month, more than enough to reach the cap of 70,000 men.

That and, once the Redwynes take the Reach with my help, they'll most likely gain the support of Tyrell vassals; the Hightowers especially. Plus I expect the dragons will put a fair dent in your army xD

[Kings Island]

That, and you'll have to fight Aegon beneath my walls if you intend to take Storm's End, a castle which has never been taken by force.

[The Krogan]

Don't even know why anyone would want the North.

Winter's coming, White Walkers are coming, and it's a desolate expanse of nothingness with a zero profit margin for any invading force.

[Valloria]

Fucking Lannisters....

It is a brilliant plan, you must admit. I pride myself on those.

I really need to start CCing you in on my TGs with Nasaira, Arn.

Here is some of the information you might want to know, taken verbatim from TGs to Nasaira (who is going to betray the Starks for me):

The Reach won't be a problem for long, with House Redwyne considering the Stannis option. That's a fourth of their armies and half of their navy. The Westerlands can challenge the Reach easily if that deal goes through, and they won't be a concern once the Targaryens are destroyed. That's what I'm sending fifty five thousand men to do - sack King's Landing and kill the Targaryens once and for all. If that happens, Olenna Tyrell will accept defeat and submit to House Lannister. After all, there'll be no-one of note left to support. Stannis won't have the gold nor men to challenge us, and Aegon will be too worn down from fighting him. Margaery Tyrell will marry Martyn Lannister (who is the son Kevan Lannister, now heir to Casterly Rock), and Tommen will rule the seven kingdoms. The Greyjoys will be of little concern, especially considering that the Lannister fleet will soon eclipse them in size and strength with the amount of money I currently spend on ships. We have an assured victory. The Reach will then march on Dorne, if they haven't yet pledged fealty to Tommen, and then we will march with 150,000 men to the North. Finally, we will send the combined Lannister, Tyrell, and Arryn fleets to sack Pyke.

A brilliant idea just formed in my head. You send twenty thousand of your men to the North and join up with Robb Stark's forces. I have forty thousand men waiting for him. When the moment is right, as the battle is just about to begin, you betray Robb's men and we sandwich his forces, crushing them.

"Stannis doesn't have the money or troops". Heh.

Once the Redwyne deal goes through, I'll have the largest navy. I have around 35,000 men at present but 5 fully upgraded R'hlorr temples(which I will be able to build with the Iron Bank's support) will push my total income up to around 20,000 DG a month, more than enough to reach the cap of 70,000 men.

That and, once the Redwynes take the Reach with my help, they'll most likely gain the support of Tyrell vassals; the Hightowers especially. Plus I expect the dragons will put a fair dent in your army xD

The dragons aren't old enough nor mature enough to be fielded. This is precisely why I'm dealing with the Targaryens now, rather than giving them the advantage over time. It will also have the added benefit of neutralizing the Reach, once they realize that there are no other kings they can feasibly back other than Tommen. And what is seventy thousand troops to 120,000? I'll break Stannis one way or another. Oh, and trust no one.

Don't even know why anyone would want the North.

Winter's coming, White Walkers are coming, and it's a desolate expanse of nothingness with a zero profit margin for any invading force.

This is why, with my force of sixty thousand (20K Vale men, as Robin is secretly declaring for the Lannisters, 30K Westermen, 10K Riverlanders), I plan to break Robb Stark's army at Moat Cailin, take that fort, rebuild it to be able to resist attacks from both the north and south, and let the north starve to death until they formally surrender, at which point we will eradicate the Starks at the surrender ceremony. Total Lannister victory. Or should I say total Landsitter victory puns

[Ancian]

If the Greatjon can get his original plan through to sit at Moat Caillin you'll be quite hard pressed to move our asses. Even with all you're men that many northerners at the neck is quite the force. Also, Robin can do all he wants it'll be curious to see if his councilors obey his order. But, even if you are busy fighting to the reach Dorne has time to rally to Kingslanding in its defense. And as with the North you'll be in for quite the time to wrench that host out. And by the time you beat Dorne the reach and Kingslanding, the Greyjoys will be hitting you in the back with a much smaller force, yes, but still. Along with all the little rebels in the Riverlands. By the time you finish all off except for the North and pyke according to your plan you do realize you will have lost quite the number of men right? And you will lose many more taking all the little hold fasts in the north. And a second host will most surely meet you after your costly victory against Robb most likely lead by Umbers and Glovers. After you defeat them even, If you do, you'll still have to take all the little forts, because northerners are truly quite stubborn. Then the pitiful forces of the Lannisters and friends will fight the Greyjoys. And while your off, I'm sure many a rebellion will happen. ...and taking Stannis and Aegon before all that will wear you down. And much of this on taking the North is based on the Arryns betraying us. I ser am willing to bet the Lannisters will not win the day.

EDIT : How will you starve the North if they have all their territory excel for the neck I ask? They have all their lands save for the entrance to the north and for the most part don't import goods and are self relying.

[Nasaira]

I just want everyone to know to make the story interesting I've decided that Robin is being manipulated by Pyter Balaish.

[Kings Island]

Fucking Lannisters....

It is a brilliant plan, you must admit. I pride myself on those.

"Stannis doesn't have the money or troops". Heh.

Once the Redwyne deal goes through, I'll have the largest navy. I have around 35,000 men at present but 5 fully upgraded R'hlorr temples(which I will be able to build with the Iron Bank's support) will push my total income up to around 20,000 DG a month, more than enough to reach the cap of 70,000 men.

That and, once the Redwynes take the Reach with my help, they'll most likely gain the support of Tyrell vassals; the Hightowers especially. Plus I expect the dragons will put a fair dent in your army xD

The dragons aren't old enough nor mature enough to be fielded. This is precisely why I'm dealing with the Targaryens now, rather than giving them the advantage over time. It will also have the added benefit of neutralizing the Reach, once they realize that there are no other kings they can feasibly back other than Tommen. And what is seventy thousand troops to 120,000? I'll break Stannis one way or another. Oh, and trust no one.

Don't even know why anyone would want the North.

Winter's coming, White Walkers are coming, and it's a desolate expanse of nothingness with a zero profit margin for any invading force.

This is why, with my force of sixty thousand (20K Vale men, as Robin is secretly declaring for the Lannisters, 30K Westermen, 10K Riverlanders), I plan to break Robb Stark's army at Moat Cailin, take that fort, rebuild it to be able to resist attacks from both the north and south, and let the north starve to death until they formally surrender, at which point we will eradicate the Starks at the surrender ceremony. Total Lannister victory. Or should I say total Landsitter victory puns

Nice pun xD

70,000 + the Reach + possibly the Vale is enough to beat you in the field, and no army could take Storm's end, even with a meagre garrison of 40,000, by force.

[Mesrane]

I think the defensive value of the Neck has been underestimated here; the Starks have literally never been forced from Moat Cailin from an army approaching from the south, size of that army be damned. The Lannister fleet can not be built upon if Lannisport is blockaded by the Greyjoys. Furthermore, the Martells would never kneel to Tommen unless all hope of victory was lost, as we all know how much the Lannisters are hated by the Martells. Furthermore, one simply does not invade Dorne, that is the Westerosi version of invading Russia in winter. It just doesn't happen and it's never worked except through the use of dragons. Dorne will not fall through any sort of direct assault. If the Martells cannot be coerced, and they probably won't want to be, then they will remain a Lannister enemy. Taking the Reach will not be nearly as easy as you make it out to be Valloria, if you recall the Tyrells are pretty staunch Targaryen loyalists and will not bend easily at all. Frankly if Daenerys and Viserys are dead and Aegon is not relevant than they are more likely to kneel to Stannis than Tommen. The Redwynes are only one house in the Reach and the bulk of the Reach's host will continue to go wherever the Tyrells tell it to go for awhile.

Redwynes will go over to Stannis, and if King's Landing falls to the Lannisters then Stannis will have to recognize the Lannisters as the primary threat. Even if Balon does not kneel to Stannis (which for the record I have honestly been considering; I justify this through Stannis' victory at Fair Isle for which he will have won at least a small amount of respect among the Ironborn) then a temporary joining of the Redwyne and Greyjoy fleets seems the likely course of action in the west, after which Lannister sea power is finished and Lannisport as good as taken. From there Casterly Rock can be threatened.

Of course, if the Arryns really do succeed in fucking Robb over than the Lannisters may well win, but if not, if Robb survives/wins/continues the struggle, then the war will go on. The thing about this RP is that there are so many claiments; if one starts to become ascendant over the rest then the logical thing to do for everyone else is to shift the majority of their efforts to bring about the downfall of whoever is currently winning before they go back to killing each other. If the Lannisters actually succeed in killing Robb everyone else will go into panic mode until Tommen's head is on a pike.

The biggest disadvantage afflicting the Lannisters is that unfortunately everyone really fucking hates them.

[Arnoria]

Ser Loras and Lady Margaery have been rescued from the Sept of Baelor, Viserys is planning to wed her as soon as possible. I will be taking the command of House Tyrell for now since there's no one roleplaying it (Only their vassals and their army, not their golds). Willas will prepare for war and Viserys is also planning to march north to meet Robb Stark and crush the Bolton from two fronts. And by the way, dont forget that all leaders from every Houses in the Reach and Dorne have been summoned to court by Viserys.

Dorne will never surrender to the Lannisters, even if King's Landing fall. Viserys and Daenerys will flee to Sunspear if the Crownlands is lost. House Tyrell has many powerful vassals and can destroy the Redwynes, the Reach will not be an easy territory to take. House Martell will likely to continue to serve the Targaryens, since Oberyn has been appointed as the Hand of the King and is promised Tywin's head. The Targaryen's personal fleet, especially with the modified dromond Valyria, is able to defend King's Landing at least for a month.

[Nasaira]

I think the defensive value of the Neck has been underestimated here; the Starks have literally never been forced from Moat Cailin from an army approaching from the south, size of that army be damned. The Lannister fleet can not be built upon if Lannisport is blockaded by the Greyjoys. Furthermore, the Martells would never kneel to Tommen unless all hope of victory was lost, as we all know how much the Lannisters are hated by the Martells. Furthermore, one simply does not invade Dorne, that is the Westerosi version of invading Russia in winter. It just doesn't happen and it's never worked except through the use of dragons. Dorne will not fall through any sort of direct assault. If the Martells cannot be coerced, and they probably won't want to be, then they will remain a Lannister enemy. Taking the Reach will not be nearly as easy as you make it out to be Valloria, if you recall the Tyrells are pretty staunch Targaryen loyalists and will not bend easily at all. Frankly if Daenerys and Viserys are dead and Aegon is not relevant than they are more likely to kneel to Stannis than Tommen. The Redwynes are only one house in the Reach and the bulk of the Reach's host will continue to go wherever the Tyrells tell it to go for awhile.

Redwynes will go over to Stannis, and if King's Landing falls to the Lannisters then Stannis will have to recognize the Lannisters as the primary threat. Even if Balon does not kneel to Stannis (which for the record I have honestly been considering; I justify this through Stannis' victory at Fair Isle for which he will have won at least a small amount of respect among the Ironborn) then a temporary joining of the Redwyne and Greyjoy fleets seems the likely course of action in the west, after which Lannister sea power is finished and Lannisport as good as taken. From there Casterly Rock can be threatened.

Of course, if the Arryns really do succeed in fucking Robb over than the Lannisters may well win, but if not, if Robb survives/wins/continues the struggle, then the war will go on. The thing about this RP is that there are so many claiments; if one starts to become ascendant over the rest then the logical thing to do for everyone else is to shift the majority of their efforts to bring about the downfall of whoever is currently winning before they go back to killing each other. If the Lannisters actually succeed in killing Robb everyone else will go into panic mode until Tommen's head is on a pike.

The biggest disadvantage afflicting the Lannisters is that unfortunately everyone really fucking hates them.

I just want to point is not the Arryns that are planning the betrayal of Robb but Pyetr Balish. If Balish is killed and Lord Royce is left to council Robert Arryn then the army of the Vale will remain with Robb

[Mesrane]

I think the defensive value of the Neck has been underestimated here; the Starks have literally never been forced from Moat Cailin from an army approaching from the south, size of that army be damned. The Lannister fleet can not be built upon if Lannisport is blockaded by the Greyjoys. Furthermore, the Martells would never kneel to Tommen unless all hope of victory was lost, as we all know how much the Lannisters are hated by the Martells. Furthermore, one simply does not invade Dorne, that is the Westerosi version of invading Russia in winter. It just doesn't happen and it's never worked except through the use of dragons. Dorne will not fall through any sort of direct assault. If the Martells cannot be coerced, and they probably won't want to be, then they will remain a Lannister enemy. Taking the Reach will not be nearly as easy as you make it out to be Valloria, if you recall the Tyrells are pretty staunch Targaryen loyalists and will not bend easily at all. Frankly if Daenerys and Viserys are dead and Aegon is not relevant than they are more likely to kneel to Stannis than Tommen. The Redwynes are only one house in the Reach and the bulk of the Reach's host will continue to go wherever the Tyrells tell it to go for awhile.

Redwynes will go over to Stannis, and if King's Landing falls to the Lannisters then Stannis will have to recognize the Lannisters as the primary threat. Even if Balon does not kneel to Stannis (which for the record I have honestly been considering; I justify this through Stannis' victory at Fair Isle for which he will have won at least a small amount of respect among the Ironborn) then a temporary joining of the Redwyne and Greyjoy fleets seems the likely course of action in the west, after which Lannister sea power is finished and Lannisport as good as taken. From there Casterly Rock can be threatened.

Of course, if the Arryns really do succeed in fucking Robb over than the Lannisters may well win, but if not, if Robb survives/wins/continues the struggle, then the war will go on. The thing about this RP is that there are so many claiments; if one starts to become ascendant over the rest then the logical thing to do for everyone else is to shift the majority of their efforts to bring about the downfall of whoever is currently winning before they go back to killing each other. If the Lannisters actually succeed in killing Robb everyone else will go into panic mode until Tommen's head is on a pike.

The biggest disadvantage afflicting the Lannisters is that unfortunately everyone really fucking hates them.

I just want to point is not the Arryns that are planning the betrayal of Robb but Pyetr Balish. If Balish is killed and Lord Royce is left to council Robert Arryn then the army of the Vale will remain with Robb

True, but Baelish doesn't seem to be in any immediate danger himself, so the betrayal of Robb seems likely to at least be attempted. If no one suspects Baelish of foul play before a betrayal of Robb is attempted then no one is likely to attempt to bring him down. Although I would like to point out that the Vale's bannermen themselves are very much sympathetic to Robb's cause, so how Baelish can coerce them into attacking the army they were supposed to support is beyond me.

[Valloria]

If the Greatjon can get his original plan through to sit at Moat Caillin you'll be quite hard pressed to move our asses. Even with all you're men that many northerners at the neck is quite the force. Also, Robin can do all he wants it'll be curious to see if his councilors obey his order. But, even if you are busy fighting to the reach Dorne has time to rally to Kingslanding in its defense. And as with the North you'll be in for quite the time to wrench that host out. And by the time you beat Dorne the reach and Kingslanding, the Greyjoys will be hitting you in the back with a much smaller force, yes, but still. Along with all the little rebels in the Riverlands. By the time you finish all off except for the North and pyke according to your plan you do realize you will have lost quite the number of men right? And you will lose many more taking all the little hold fasts in the north. And a second host will most surely meet you after your costly victory against Robb most likely lead by Umbers and Glovers. After you defeat them even, If you do, you'll still have to take all the little forts, because northerners are truly quite stubborn. Then the pitiful forces of the Lannisters and friends will fight the Greyjoys. And while your off, I'm sure many a rebellion will happen. ...and taking Stannis and Aegon before all that will wear you down. And much of this on taking the North is based on the Arryns betraying us. I ser am willing to bet the Lannisters will not win the day.

EDIT : How will you starve the North if they have all their territory excel for the neck I ask? They have all their lands save for the entrance to the north and for the most part don't import goods and are self relying.

Firstly, the Vale is my ally, not yours. They will betray you during the battle. Secondly, I am marching on King's Landing NOW, not later. Dorne has yet to field any men, and it would take two months for them to march on the Westerlands, plus a month of training. They're not even a concern right now. Thirdly, I am adding more ships to my fleet every month, soon their strength will eclipse that of the Iron Islander's fleet. Fourthly, the Riverlanders' rebellions are about to be crushed by a force of thirty thousand Lannister men marching across the Riverlands to meet up with the Knights of the Vale. Fifthly, destroying the Northern military will leave few men in the North to defend against the opportunistic Iron Islanders, as well as the fact that winter is coming and you'll need Southern farms to give you any food whatsoever. Sixthly, I will blockade Storm's End and let him starve with his armies. And this time, we won't be stupid enough to let an Onion Knight get past the blockade. We'll also not have a Ned Stark demanding our surrender.

It is a brilliant plan, you must admit. I pride myself on those.



The dragons aren't old enough nor mature enough to be fielded. This is precisely why I'm dealing with the Targaryens now, rather than giving them the advantage over time. It will also have the added benefit of neutralizing the Reach, once they realize that there are no other kings they can feasibly back other than Tommen. And what is seventy thousand troops to 120,000? I'll break Stannis one way or another. Oh, and trust no one.



This is why, with my force of sixty thousand (20K Vale men, as Robin is secretly declaring for the Lannisters, 30K Westermen, 10K Riverlanders), I plan to break Robb Stark's army at Moat Cailin, take that fort, rebuild it to be able to resist attacks from both the north and south, and let the north starve to death until they formally surrender, at which point we will eradicate the Starks at the surrender ceremony. Total Lannister victory. Or should I say total Landsitter victory puns

Nice pun xD

70,000 + the Reach + possibly the Vale is enough to beat you in the field, and no army could take Storm's end, even with a meagre garrison of 40,000, by force.

I am positive that Petyr Baelish will deliver the Vale - the prospect of all of the marriage alliances is brilliant.

I think the defensive value of the Neck has been underestimated here; the Starks have literally never been forced from Moat Cailin from an army approaching from the south, size of that army be damned. The Lannister fleet can not be built upon if Lannisport is blockaded by the Greyjoys. Furthermore, the Martells would never kneel to Tommen unless all hope of victory was lost, as we all know how much the Lannisters are hated by the Martells. Furthermore, one simply does not invade Dorne, that is the Westerosi version of invading Russia in winter. It just doesn't happen and it's never worked except through the use of dragons. Dorne will not fall through any sort of direct assault. If the Martells cannot be coerced, and they probably won't want to be, then they will remain a Lannister enemy. Taking the Reach will not be nearly as easy as you make it out to be Valloria, if you recall the Tyrells are pretty staunch Targaryen loyalists and will not bend easily at all. Frankly if Daenerys and Viserys are dead and Aegon is not relevant than they are more likely to kneel to Stannis than Tommen. The Redwynes are only one house in the Reach and the bulk of the Reach's host will continue to go wherever the Tyrells tell it to go for awhile.

Redwynes will go over to Stannis, and if King's Landing falls to the Lannisters then Stannis will have to recognize the Lannisters as the primary threat. Even if Balon does not kneel to Stannis (which for the record I have honestly been considering; I justify this through Stannis' victory at Fair Isle for which he will have won at least a small amount of respect among the Ironborn) then a temporary joining of the Redwyne and Greyjoy fleets seems the likely course of action in the west, after which Lannister sea power is finished and Lannisport as good as taken. From there Casterly Rock can be threatened.

Of course, if the Arryns really do succeed in fucking Robb over than the Lannisters may well win, but if not, if Robb survives/wins/continues the struggle, then the war will go on. The thing about this RP is that there are so many claiments; if one starts to become ascendant over the rest then the logical thing to do for everyone else is to shift the majority of their efforts to bring about the downfall of whoever is currently winning before they go back to killing each other. If the Lannisters actually succeed in killing Robb everyone else will go into panic mode until Tommen's head is on a pike.

The biggest disadvantage afflicting the Lannisters is that unfortunately everyone really fucking hates them.

I'm not planning to take Moat Cailin. I'm planning to camp out there until Robb is stupid enough to come out. Then the Vale fucks him in his ass and I win the day. And if I do begin to lose, I'll just have Tommen killed and declare for the victor. Tywin's ruthless, remember? If by some miracle I win EVERYTHING except Dorne, then I just let them be independent. And Olenna Tyrell is not an idealist. She knows that her house will hold no sway in the court of a Stannis Baratheon, and the prospects of marrying Margaery to the heir of Casterly Rock is most enticing (Martyn Lannister's hand in marriage is what I will offer). Stannis will offer no such bargain - he has no way to. I'm fairly confident that Olenna will make the right decision. Oh, and the Reach hates Dorne almost as much as Dorne hates the Lannisters - they were at war for centuries over the Dornish Marches. Balon would never kneel unless beaten in combat - unlike most, he IS an idealist. Casterly Rock has never been taken - after all, it is the largest castle in Westeros behind Harrenhal. In reality, it should have Level 5 walls to start with. But that is a discussion for another time.