Iron and Steel; 20th Century AH [RE/Continuation/OOC/OPEN]

[Sanabel]

The sad thing is that:

IRL both armies sucked balls, and would in this instance. Look at Gallipoli for instance. The Ottomans beat the Aussies and Brits because of their overwhelming numbers, and that is after getting rekt HARD by the aforementioned party.


So, despite their lack of numbers, Persia has the advantage, most certainly. They have the mountains, safe from land movement and air raids. On the other hand, I think they can have their flatlands and isolated places like the Caucuses easily taken by Ottoman forces. Most likely, they will also lose their naval capabilities.



Now, I see you all bickering about the Ottomans. Remember, they still have Gulf ports. They probably have ships there already, plus a lot in the Indian Ocean. That said, I think they will not be able to easily resupply or reinforce those numbers. However, I still think, since overwhelming numbers dont decide the outcome of naval battles, that the Ottomans still have naval superiority.

[Suekiva]

The sad thing is that:

IRL both armies sucked balls, and would in this instance. Look at Gallipoli for instance. The Ottomans beat the Aussies and Brits because of their overwhelming numbers, and that is after getting rekt HARD by the aforementioned party.


So, despite their lack of numbers, Persia has the advantage, most certainly. They have the mountains, safe from land movement and air raids. On the other hand, I think they can have their flatlands and isolated places like the Caucuses easily taken by Ottoman forces. Most likely, they will also lose their naval capabilities.



Now, I see you all bickering about the Ottomans. Remember, they still have Gulf ports. They probably have ships there already, plus a lot in the Indian Ocean. That said, I think they will not be able to easily resupply or reinforce those numbers. However, I still think, since overwhelming numbers dont decide the outcome of naval battles, that the Ottomans still have naval superiority.

Kosovo says he has a "small fleet in Kuwait".

[Sanabel]

The sad thing is that:

IRL both armies sucked balls, and would in this instance. Look at Gallipoli for instance. The Ottomans beat the Aussies and Brits because of their overwhelming numbers, and that is after getting rekt HARD by the aforementioned party.


So, despite their lack of numbers, Persia has the advantage, most certainly. They have the mountains, safe from land movement and air raids. On the other hand, I think they can have their flatlands and isolated places like the Caucuses easily taken by Ottoman forces. Most likely, they will also lose their naval capabilities.



Now, I see you all bickering about the Ottomans. Remember, they still have Gulf ports. They probably have ships there already, plus a lot in the Indian Ocean. That said, I think they will not be able to easily resupply or reinforce those numbers. However, I still think, since overwhelming numbers dont decide the outcome of naval battles, that the Ottomans still have naval superiority.

Kosovo says he has a "small fleet in Kuwait".

Small could imply anything.

But he still probably has ships in the Indian. And remember, he owns more Gulf coastal land than Kuwait.

[Sanabel]

Probably around 20,000 Marines in the area from the Army.

Currently within the Gulf, there are probably a very large number of escort ships, a couple corvettes, a couple light destroyers, an ironclad or two, and a very close by dreadnought. If need be, I can easily call in more from my Indian Ocean Fleet. The ships are already very close by anyway, to protect my main shipping routes. I could easily get more of each, plus some heavy destroyers. We don't have a huge military presence there(yet), because we had no reason to have one.

While small, it is all 11/10 top notch, over all probably better than both the Ottoman and Persian navies in terms of tech and quality. Size? Probably not.

Why do you ask?

[Suekiva]

Kosovo says he has a "small fleet in Kuwait".

Small could imply anything.

But he still probably has ships in the Indian. And remember, he owns more Gulf coastal land than Kuwait.

Wouldn't Persia be able to track the movement of any Indian Ocean squadron when they pass through the Strait of Hormuz?

[The New Greek Republic]

So, despite their lack of numbers, Persia has the advantage, most certainly. They have the mountains, safe from land movement and air raids. On the other hand, I think they can have their flatlands and isolated places like the Caucuses easily taken by Ottoman forces. Most likely, they will also lose their naval capabilities.

But like, he controls the entirety of the Persian Caucuses. I don't have any Caucasus I don't think, if I do it's not flatland.

Now, I see you all bickering about the Ottomans. Remember, they still have Gulf ports. They probably have ships there already, plus a lot in the Indian Ocean. That said, I think they will not be able to easily resupply or reinforce those numbers. However, I still think, since overwhelming numbers dont decide the outcome of naval battles, that the Ottomans still have naval superiority.

He has a, quote, "small Kuwait fleet"

I'm not trying to weasel my way out of a war here, I just wanna make that clear, but there are issues I'm trying to solve.

[Suekiva]

I'd say that Kosovo's main fleet would take 2 months to reach the Persian Gulf, accounting for time spent resupplying.

[Sanabel]

So, despite their lack of numbers, Persia has the advantage, most certainly. They have the mountains, safe from land movement and air raids. On the other hand, I think they can have their flatlands and isolated places like the Caucuses easily taken by Ottoman forces. Most likely, they will also lose their naval capabilities.

But like, he controls the entirety of the Persian Caucuses. I don't have any Caucasus I don't think, if I do it's not flatland.

Now, I see you all bickering about the Ottomans. Remember, they still have Gulf ports. They probably have ships there already, plus a lot in the Indian Ocean. That said, I think they will not be able to easily resupply or reinforce those numbers. However, I still think, since overwhelming numbers dont decide the outcome of naval battles, that the Ottomans still have naval superiority.

He has a, quote, "small Kuwait fleet"

I'm not trying to weasel my way out of a war here, I just wanna make that clear, but there are issues I'm trying to solve.

Battles could easily still occur there. Counter invasions happen all the time in war.

And there is a pretty big coastal plain all the way around the country. You will get rekt there, I'd imagine. The mountains will truly be your friend.

[Sanabel]

I'd say that Kosovo's main fleet would take 2 months to reach the Persian Gulf, accounting for time spent resupplying.

I concur.

[The New Greek Republic]

Also, my army is attrocious, I have a fairly large fighting force which is funded fairly well. Along with modern weapons for the time. The only thing I've got that is a problem are a lot of my troops are undertrained, which is to change because of the Military Cooperation Agreement between me and Hungary.

[SECP]

So how is time being passed in the IC, 1 page= 1 month type of thing?

[Sanabel]

Also, my army is attrocious, I have a fairly large fighting force which is funded fairly well. Along with modern weapons for the time. The only thing I've got that is a problem are a lot of my troops are undertrained, which is to change because of the Military Cooperation Agreement between me and Hungary.

How is it so good?

You are a backwards rump state.


And Hungary wont be able to turn your army around instantly. It will take at least a year to train all of your guys.

[Sanabel]

Think about this.

There is no way Persia's military in terms of quality is even near the Ottomans.

And the Ottomans lost millions more than the Brits and co. during the middle eastern theater of ww1. By the transitive property, your military isn't even close to European ones. Yet.

[The New Greek Republic]

So how is time being passed in the IC, 1 page= 1 month type of thing?

4pages=1month

I don't like it

Think about this.

There is no way Persia's military in terms of quality is even near the Ottomans.

And the Ottomans lost millions more than the Brits and co. during the middle eastern theater of ww1. By the transitive property, your military isn't even close to European ones. Yet.

Well it's what I had in my app and nobody rebutted so.

[Sanabel]

So how is time being passed in the IC, 1 page= 1 month type of thing?

4pages=1month

I don't like it

Think about this.

There is no way Persia's military in terms of quality is even near the Ottomans.

And the Ottomans lost millions more than the Brits and co. during the middle eastern theater of ww1. By the transitive property, your military isn't even close to European ones. Yet.

Well it's what I had in my app and nobody rebutted so.

I wish I had noticed that.

[Sanabel]

So how is time being passed in the IC, 1 page= 1 month type of thing?

4pages=1month

I don't like it

Think about this.

There is no way Persia's military in terms of quality is even near the Ottomans.

And the Ottomans lost millions more than the Brits and co. during the middle eastern theater of ww1. By the transitive property, your military isn't even close to European ones. Yet.

Well it's what I had in my app and nobody rebutted so.

Also, explain how on Earth you are successfully occupying Afghanistan?

That would consume much of your military's time, id imagine.

[The New Greek Republic]

Also, explain how on Earth you are successfully occupying Afghanistan?

That would consume much of your military's time, id imagine.

It's been apart of Persia for awhile, since the first I&S and historically. Especially since I've listened to my people and I've given them whatever I could, I became a republic, I tried to pass more social policies, and if they wanted autonomy I'd probably give it to them. I don't think there'd be a whole lot of anti-government sentiment thanks to the fact I listen to the people.

[Sanabel]

Also, explain how on Earth you are successfully occupying Afghanistan?

That would consume much of your military's time, id imagine.

It's been apart of Persia for awhile, since the first I&S and historically. Especially since I've listened to my people and I've given them whatever I could, I became a republic, I tried to pass more social policies, and if they wanted autonomy I'd probably give it to them. I don't think there'd be a whole lot of anti-government sentiment thanks to the fact I listen to the people.

Ok

So populism solves everything?




Btw, I think any invasion of Persia is a shitty idea. Except the coastal plain, mebbe.

[SECP]

Hey got a Q. If your in a defensive pact does that mean if one person gets invaded the other helps?

[Sanabel]

Hey got a Q. If your in a defensive pact does that mean if one person gets invaded the other helps?

Depends on the terms of said pact.

[The New Greek Republic]

So has Kos declared war on me?

[New Decius]

The sad thing is that:

IRL both armies sucked balls, and would in this instance. Look at Gallipoli for instance. The Ottomans beat the Aussies and Brits because of their overwhelming numbers, and that is after getting rekt HARD by the aforementioned party.


So, despite their lack of numbers, Persia has the advantage, most certainly. They have the mountains, safe from land movement and air raids. On the other hand, I think they can have their flatlands and isolated places like the Caucuses easily taken by Ottoman forces. Most likely, they will also lose their naval capabilities.



Now, I see you all bickering about the Ottomans. Remember, they still have Gulf ports. They probably have ships there already, plus a lot in the Indian Ocean. That said, I think they will not be able to easily resupply or reinforce those numbers. However, I still think, since overwhelming numbers dont decide the outcome of naval battles, that the Ottomans still have naval superiority.

Kosovo says he has a "small fleet in Kuwait".

But the German Kaiserlichemarine would also be helping the Ottoman's.

[Suekiva]

Kosovo says he has a "small fleet in Kuwait".

But the German Kaiserlichemarine would also be helping the Ottoman's.

Yeah, I don't think the Persian Navy is going to be a major factor in this conflict, unless they can pull off a victory over the Dutch and Ottoman Gulf fleets before everybody else gets there.

[Sanabel]

Kosovo says he has a "small fleet in Kuwait".

But the German Kaiserlichemarine would also be helping the Ottoman's.

I too have a fair sized Zeevloot fleet in the area.

[Sanabel]

But the German Kaiserlichemarine would also be helping the Ottoman's.

Yeah, I don't think the Persian Navy is going to be a major factor in this conflict, unless they can pull off a victory over the Dutch and Ottoman Gulf fleets before everybody else gets there.

What is your opinion on the quality of Persian and Ottoman troops vs German and Dutch?