1821: Napoleon's Victory [OOC and sign-up]

[Versail]

What happened to the Russian's if I may ask?

[Caltarania]

So I'll be losing Scotland and Ireland? Meh. I think I'll cancel my initial reservation.

How about South Africa?

[Hobbesistan]

Full Nation Name: United States of America
Short Nation Name: United States
National Flag: http://www.eaglemountainflag.com/thumbs ... G23-58.gif
Territory: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MAP/TERRITORY/us_1820.jpg
Official Language(s): Officially, none, but English popularly.
Form of Government: Democratic Republic
Head of State: James Monroe
Head of Government: (also James Monroe)
Capital City: Washington, DC
Population: 9,638,453
Religion: Overwhelmingly protestant
Army: 12,000 trained soldiers, 2,000 Army Rangers, 2,000 Marines, able to raise 600,000 man militia in wartime. The full-time army is relatively well trained and equipped, as the U.S was eager not to make the same mistakes as in the war of 1812 with poor equipment, but remained relatively small. The US's real military strength lies in its militia-raising abilities.
Navy: 25 Frigates, 7 ships-of-the-line, multitude of schooners and smaller ships.
Economic Strength: Far from the biggest economy, but rapidly growing and industrializing, with a vast pool of natural resources not found in Europe.
Foreign Policy: Since the war of 1812, the relations have since somewhat cooled with the British, otherwise, the U.S retains prosperous and neutral relations with most of Europe and the world.
Infrastructure: Relatively poor, though improving with projects like the Erie Canal, however, the infrastructure is better in the eastern cities and further degrades the further west one goes.
Primary Goals: Expand westward, fulfilling 'manifest destiny' and establish further footholds in international trade.
History:

The war of 1812 had dragged on into 1815, when, following Napoleon's resurgence in europe and the United Kingdom loosing that fight, they sought peace with the U.S, and achieved it in Ghent, Brussels, that year. For the most part the status quo retained, outside of minor territorial gains in northern Main and the Great Lakes, despite many people at home wishing for further gains, the most important goal had been achieved with Britian relenting upon its impressment of sailors, and trade opening up yet again with the rest of Europe.

Since then, the United States went back to a peacetime prospering industrial and agricultural economy, spreading rapidly towards the west coast, border disputes with both Mexico to the south and Britian-controlled Canada to the north are common as the settlers move faster than the borders can be negotiated. However, a shaky peace between the three powers in that area remains.
RP Example:
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=305934
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=271625


OOC: I tried re-working the Treaty of Ghent to work for the updated history, as it didin't happen IRL into Napoleon was originally defeated.

[Of the Quendi]

I think I'm going to go with Warsaw. Assuming I keep Frederick Augustus as Duke (which I will probably do, since I can't think of a good reason he would be removed), would I then also control Saxony? If so, I can easily make a combined app for Saxony-Warsaw.

I suppose so yes. They where very distinct countries but Frederick Augustus rules both at least until his death (at which point I would imagine that his daughter would inherit Warsaw and his brother Saxony)

This PoD is early enough for Mexico to grow stronger than the U.S., right?

In fourteen years from 1807 to 1821? No not really.

Think I'll reserve a Republican Britain (or England + Wales if Ireland and Scotland were given independence or whatnot).

Britain would still have its monarchy. It was defeated by France but not so thoroughly. It would have lost some colonies, got to pay a war indemnity and have some restrictions placed on its navy but otherwise it would remain relatively intact.

Could I reserve the Kingdom of Westphalia?

Yes.

Is the Grand Duchy of Warsaw available? If so, I'd like to reserve it.

Too late I am afraid.

D:

Kingdom of Italy?

Yes. Remember Napoleon (who I will RP) is its king, but it has a separate and autonomous government.

Can I reserve Rossiya?

Russia?

I shall reserve Ireland (indpendent) or if that is not possible, the rebellion.

I don't think Ireland will be independent. When someone signs up with Britain I will discuss the details of the Paris Peace treaty with that player. You can however RP both Irish rebels and Irish legions in French service if Ireland won't get independence.

-snip-

Joseph Bonaparte would have still become king of Spain and France would have kept Catalonia. But Spain would probably still retain control over many more of its colonies even if most would be in rebellion.

Population: 3, 000, 000 / 4, 500, 000.
Army: I'm having some trouble with the size. Any suggestion?
RP Example: None from within the past year or so. I think I'm going to ask for your trust on this one (;

Three million sounds a bit low (I assume the four point five would be including Portugal). Wikipedia says the population of Brazil was 4,717,000 in 1820. In this timeline it has probably grown more rapidly since the conquest of Portugal and owning also the Portuguese colonies a population somewhat above five million seems fitting.

Army size? Well since none of its neighbors can threaten Brazil so it doesn't really need an army. Its definitely wise to focus on the navy.

I would very much like an RP sample, even an old one.

BTW nice map. It however doesn't depict the small colonies like Cape Verde, Madeira, etc. Can I assume you claim all of this?

Could I be a Han revolt that has taken over mush of southern Qing?

No.

If you want it, I guess you can have it.

@Quendi: Would it be possible for Hungarians to have seceded from Austria once it lost the war?

No. Austria's last defeat was the fifth coalition. It went essentially as in RL (because I am lacking in imagination) and had a similar outcome. Austria did not loose Hungary.

How did the war of 1812 end up? Mainly because I might be interested in the U.S of A or I might take something else like Hungary. Not sure though.

Much like in RL. Maybe a bit better for the US.

Can I reserve an independent Scotland or a Scottish rebellion group.

Independent Scotland would be difficult I think. The Irish was actively supporting Napoleon so that they could have gained independence is possible, but the Scots remained loyal throughout the Napoleonic wars so I don't really see them independent. And not really rebellious either frankly.

The King of Sardinia is the Jacobite pretender of the day, you can RP him if you like?

RESERVE MEXICO

Reserved. Note its independence is probably not internationally recognized.

Would it be possible for Westphalia to have annexed Mecklenburg-Schwerin?

No I don't really see how that would have happened. Westphalia will probably have its 1812 borders.

Hm... considering the fall of Britain would likely lead to some... uncertain circumstances for the British East India Company, and while independently powerful they'd probably not be able to depend on Britain as a patron anymore. Would it be possible to have them make common cause with the Muhgal Emperor in Dehli (or the Marathas), in an effort to find some legal loophole to avoid being handed over to the French? A public-private merger, so to speak?

Considering the riches of India were the primary target for colonization in this era, having a player in that region certainly couldn't hurt.

The British defeat would probably not have been decisive enough for Britain to loose India.

Head of State: Emperor René Soto I
Population: 7.7 million
RP Example: rly bruh

Who is René Soto I?
Populstat puts the Mexican population at a bit above six million.
Really. Everyone has to do it.

-snip-

Eeh. Its a very good app, no doubt about it. But I have more then a few mixed feelings about an almost federal union between Warsaw and Saxony. The Poles did not work so hard for independence from Prussia and Russia just to become Saxons. Could you tone it down to something more like a loose personal union then a close federation?

What happened to the Russian's if I may ask?

It lost the Fifth Coalition (narrowly) and have not been at war with France since then.

So I'll be losing Scotland and Ireland? Meh. I think I'll cancel my initial reservation.

How about South Africa?

Great Britain will not be loosing both Scotland and Ireland. Probably it will loose neither.

Full Nation Name: United States of America
Short Nation Name: United States
National Flag: http://www.eaglemountainflag.com/thumbs ... G23-58.gif
Territory: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MAP/TERRITORY/us_1820.jpg
Official Language(s): Officially, none, but English popularly.
Form of Government: Democratic Republic
Head of State: James Monroe
Head of Government: (also James Monroe)
Capital City: Washington, DC
Population: 9,638,453
Religion: Overwhelmingly protestant
Army: 12,000 trained soldiers, 2,000 Army Rangers, 2,000 Marines, able to raise 600,000 man militia in wartime. The full-time army is relatively well trained and equipped, as the U.S was eager not to make the same mistakes as in the war of 1812 with poor equipment, but remained relatively small. The US's real military strength lies in its militia-raising abilities.
Navy: 25 Frigates, 7 ships-of-the-line, multitude of schooners and smaller ships.
Economic Strength: Far from the biggest economy, but rapidly growing and industrializing, with a vast pool of natural resources not found in Europe.
Foreign Policy: Since the war of 1812, the relations have since somewhat cooled with the British, otherwise, the U.S retains prosperous and neutral relations with most of Europe and the world.
Infrastructure: Relatively poor, though improving with projects like the Erie Canal, however, the infrastructure is better in the eastern cities and further degrades the further west one goes.
Primary Goals: Expand westward, fulfilling 'manifest destiny' and establish further footholds in international trade.
History:

The war of 1812 had dragged on into 1815, when, following Napoleon's resurgence in europe and the United Kingdom loosing that fight, they sought peace with the U.S, and achieved it in Ghent, Brussels, that year. For the most part the status quo retained, outside of minor territorial gains in northern Main and the Great Lakes, despite many people at home wishing for further gains, the most important goal had been achieved with Britian relenting upon its impressment of sailors, and trade opening up yet again with the rest of Europe.

Since then, the United States went back to a peacetime prospering industrial and agricultural economy, spreading rapidly towards the west coast, border disputes with both Mexico to the south and Britian-controlled Canada to the north are common as the settlers move faster than the borders can be negotiated. However, a shaky peace between the three powers in that area remains.
RP Example:
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=305934
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=271625


OOC: I tried re-working the Treaty of Ghent to work for the updated history, as it didin't happen IRL into Napoleon was originally defeated.

Accepted.

And thank God I am done. Who knew a Napoleon RP could attract that much attention over night.

[Liecthenbourg]

Thanks for the feedback Quendi.
I'll have the app up later today

[The Eastern Antarctic State]

@Quendi, what of my app?

[Of the Quendi]

Thanks for the feedback Quendi.
I'll have the app up later today

Your welcome, looking forward to it.

@Quendi, what of my app?

Well your application is for an Irish nations state and as I said I am not sure such an entity would have come into being so I would like to discuss it with a British player before making a decision.

I have however reserved "the Irish" for you so whether the Irish are rebels, a state or a legion in French service its been put aside for you.

[The Eastern Antarctic State]

Thanks for the feedback Quendi.
I'll have the app up later today

Your welcome, looking forward to it.

@Quendi, what of my app?

Well your application is for an Irish nations state and as I said I am not sure such an entity would have come into being so I would like to discuss it with a British player before making a decision.

I have however reserved "the Irish" for you so whether the Irish are rebels, a state or a legion in French service its been put aside for you.

Much thanks! I really do hope I get that independent republic though...

[Das Germane imperie]

Napoleon Bonaparte is alive, right?

[Of the Quendi]

Napoleon Bonaparte is alive, right?

Yes. In RL he died in 1821 but in this timeline he is still alive.

[Das Germane imperie]

Napoleon Bonaparte is alive, right?

Yes. In RL he died in 1821 but in this timeline he is still alive.

Well, a major factor in his illness was his depression after being sent to St. Helena. So, it is a bigger chance that he would be alive.

[Of the Quendi]

Well, a major factor in his illness was his depression after being sent to St. Helena. So, it is a bigger chance that he would be alive.

Indeed unhealthy living conditions on Saint Helena no doubt speeded Napoleon's demise. Without that, and without the extreme stress and strain of the loosing end of his reign he could probably have lived longer then he did.

[Old Tyrannia]

I'd like to reserve Great Britain unless Caltarania changes his mind about cancelling his reservation, in which case I'd like to reserve the Qing dynasty instead.

I apologise for letting people down in the previous RP. I ended up having less time than I had expected.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Seems... We will need a kingdom of Sweden. A kingdom of Sweden, then, we shall have.

[Elepis]

Reserve the Two Sicilies please

Viva Italia!

[Tracian Empire]

Full Nation Name: Kingdom of Prussia(Königreich Preußen)
Short Nation Name: Prussia(Preußen)
National Flag:

Territory:

The territory of Prussia in 1812
Official Language(s): German, with various other recognized languages
Form of Government: Absolute Monarchy
Head of State: Frederick William III of Prussia
Head of Government: Frederick William III of Prussia
Capital City: Berlin
Population: 5.000.000
Religion: Lutheran majority, with Roman Catholic and Reformed minorities.
Army:
The Royal Prussian Army(Königlich Preußische Armee) is the army of the Kingdom of Prussia, having approximately 100.000 men, divided into more armies. The defeat in the War of the Fourth Coalition started a massive reform and modernization of the Prussian Army, following the model of France and its allies, led by Gerhard von Scharnhorst. The Prussian Army adopted the Krümpersystem, and modernized its armament and tactics.

Elite: Grenadiers- the Grenadiers are the elite troops of Prussia, the best armed and the best trained in the entire army. Approximately 15.000 Grenadiers serve in the Prussian Army, most of them in the Royal Guard. They are using white with black uniforms.
Infantry: The Prussian Army uses a large variety of infantry, from the Prussian Musketeers to the Fusiliers, inspired by the French Army. They are using black with white uniforms.
Militia: The Landwehr is the Prussian Militia, now having around 40.000 men. Many more can be called in case of war. They are using light blue uniforms
Cavalry: The Prussian Army uses a large variety of cavalry, from the Hussars and Uhlans to the Dragoons and Cuirassiers, however, in accordance with the 1812 Regulations, the cavalry is seen as a mere appendage of the infantry, and prevents it from taking the initiative.
Artillery: the Prussian Army is using a large variety of artillery units. Even if some are outdated, the most of them were modernized by the latest military reform.

Navy: The Prussian Navy(Preußische Marine) is the naval force of Prussia.Throughout the centuries, Prussia’s military consistently concentrated on its land power, and never sought a similar power at sea. Despite that, about 30 ships exist.
Economic Strength: Despite the loss of the war, the Prussian economy managed to recover, returning to being one of the biggest economy of the German states. Agriculture is spread throughout the country, with the industry having its center in Silesia.
Foreign Policy: Prussia is pretty neutral in its foreign policy, trying to maintain good relations with France, Austria, Russia and the other German states.
Infrastructure: Despite the damages of the war, the Prussians managed to rebuild most of their infrastructure.
Primary Goals: Well, on short term, to protect itself against any possible invasion and stop the French influence in the other German states, and on long term to unite all of them and form Germany of course.
History: The victories of France after the War of the Fourth Coalition had a big impact in Prussia's decision to keep its neutrality. Under the rule of Frederick William III, the Generals and the new Offizier Korps of the Army(many officers were dismissed after the defeat) had the true power in the state. Being surrounded by enemies, Prussia remained neutral, trying to keep good relations with France and its allies, while trying to slowly rebuild their army. Its neutrality also had a bad effect, as Prussia's relations with the Confederacy of the Rhine, Bavaria and most of its neighbors are pretty bad.
RP Example:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=336275

[Thanatttynia]

Population: 3, 000, 000 / 4, 500, 000.
Army: I'm having some trouble with the size. Any suggestion?
RP Example: None from within the past year or so. I think I'm going to ask for your trust on this one (;

Three million sounds a bit low (I assume the four point five would be including Portugal). Wikipedia says the population of Brazil was 4,717,000 in 1820. In this timeline it has probably grown more rapidly since the conquest of Portugal and owning also the Portuguese colonies a population somewhat above five million seems fitting.

Army size? Well since none of its neighbors can threaten Brazil so it doesn't really need an army. Its definitely wise to focus on the navy.

I would very much like an RP sample, even an old one.

BTW nice map. It however doesn't depict the small colonies like Cape Verde, Madeira, etc. Can I assume you claim all of this?

The 4.5 was actually for Brazil, and the 3 was for Portugal, but that seems a conservative estimate. So how about 3.5/5?
Alrighty.
I found this at first glance. Mind you don't choke with all the dust.
Thank you. I made it only because I was bored - that other map is a lot more accurate, cheers.

[Kosovo12345]

Russian Empire Army with all the troops mobilized is near a 1 million. Russia Strong! lol

[Das Germane imperie]

Russian Empire Army with all the troops mobilized is near a 1 million. Russia Strong! lol

Well, a very large part of that army will be far away from modern European standards, but it is an incredible force indeed.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Full Nation Name: The Freestate of Sweden-Finland

Short Nation Name: Sweden, Sweden-Finland

National Flag:


Territory:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Swedish_Empire_1789.svg

Official Language(s): Swedish, Finnish

Form of Government: Constitutional Monarchy de iure, Freestate (republican) de facto

Head of State: His Majesty, King of Sweden, King of Norway (He’s very stubborn), High Prince of Finland, Charles Johan Bernadotte, Grand Marshall

Head of Government:Chancellor of the Riksdag, Arvid Thempthander

Capital City: Stockholm

Population: 3.600.000

Religion: Overtly protestant, although the government pursues a more secular course. While not always popular with the commoners, the government is very concerned with separating church and state.

Army:
Infantry: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/442826229423603312/FEA77E1F108F8B94700BD5D6BA1F946DBE3DFFF3/
Swedish infantry. The Blue and Yellow Fellows. These men are the backbone of the Swedish military, the foot soldiers, the line infantry. They are trained by the so-called Bernadotte Corps, the corps of officers that followed Bernadotte when he became king of Sweden. This has coalesced into an army that follows the Napoleonic style of fighting, with Napoleonic discipline and even some French commands thrown in for good measure. The army structure is virtually the same as that of France, just with the names changed to Swedish. Marshalls, generals, colonels… The French model got its popularity due to the resounding success of the Grande Armée, which seemed to prove itself in every battle it was used in. If it works…

Cavalry: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/442826229423603106/6D38E8B36E1CF39D49DDB2E0C6EE1BB193E9AFBD/

The Swedish cavalry. A mix of light troops, heavy troops and mounted infantrymen, used for various purposes. Heavy cavalry, such as the leibgardet, are used to smash into infantry formations and other cavalry groups to break them off. Light infantry are used for scouting, harassment and picking off artillery units. Mounted infantry are used to quickly capture positions, and take on the role of light cavalry when mounted. An army usually has a mix of these units, while the mounted infantry is usually the furthest away from a given formation. A mounted infantry unit can also operate separately from an army, while the other cavalry units usually stick to a bigger force.

Artillery: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/442826229423602831/14E6230F4076EC3F901982BE9C8BDD0E7B64E00F/
Ultima Ratio Regnum. These men are the artillery, the stuff that wins battles. In Napoleonic thinking, Artillery gets a special place. It can create death zones, force troops to retreat or lead enemies to where you want them to go. They also make great street sweepers. Because of Bernadottes influence, artillery has been given a special place. Serving the corps is a real honour, and usually reserved for the more wealthy parts of society. Those serving it get the prestigious title “King’s Royal Gunner”, a title one may wield for the rest of his life.

Navy: The navy is nothing less than vital, especially with the current political course of the Swedish government. Colonialism is the new deal, it seems, and power needs to be projected. The Swedish navy sails to all corners of the globe, securing valuable ports, and trying to outsmart the British in India. The British loss in Europe has undoubtedly chiselled at their strength there, and Sweden is ready to plug the gaps made. But not only foreign trade requires a navy. The Swedes need to control Mare Nostrum, the Baltic Sea. Controlling the Baltic has long been a dream for aristocracy and rich Swedes alike, and with a powerful navy, that dream draws ever closer. It’s the same reason they have been gazing at Norway for a while now. Controlling Norway would mean partially controlling the opening to the Baltic, something Sweden desires to control the Baltic sea. Germany too is going to feel the wrath of Karl, when the time comes. For all this, a navy is required.

Economic Strength: Reasonable. The Baltic trade to Russia is for a large part controlled by the Swedes, although Saint Petersburg remains free (not for long). The furs and woods of the North also give Sweden some income, yet the Canadian fur trade competes heavily in this market. Finance is a stronger point. Finance and trade make Sweden economically sound, able to support a modern state.

Foreign Policy: Sweden wants to create a Baltic Empire, an imperium that equals the old Swedish Empire that existed only a hundred years prior. To control Saint Petersburg, Denmark, Norway, Pommerania, northern Poland, Karelia and northern Germany is a grand wish for all those under the yellow-blue-white banners, and it is what all are clamouring for. Yet, Russia will not be denied, and strong diplomacy will be needed to take what is Swedish. What belongs to Sweden.

Infrastructure: Between cities, good. For the rest… Sweden is, for a large part, forest and snow, especially in the winter months. Some northern areas have never been properly explored, and the Lappish people can have their way there. The ports are well-maintained, though, and roads between towns and cities are kept up to par for the transfer of goods and people.

Primary Goals: Swedish Empire. Mare Nostrum. Conquer Saint Petersburg. Remove Borscht.

History: WIP, something something Karl Johan I

RP Example: I believe we’ve met before…

[Of the Quendi]

I'd like to reserve Great Britain unless Caltarania changes his mind about cancelling his reservation, in which case I'd like to reserve the Qing dynasty instead.

I apologise for letting people down in the previous RP. I ended up having less time than I had expected.

Noted.

Seems... We will need a kingdom of Sweden. A kingdom of Sweden, then, we shall have.

Noted.

Reserve the Two Sicilies please

Viva Italia!

Noted.

-snip-

Danzing is a Free City and a French puppet state. Your population is also much too high. After the Treaties of Tilsit Prussia was left with a population of just 4,500,000 so it should probably be around 5,000,000 now. The good news is that Prussia is so militarized a society that you don't have to reduce the size of your army.

Also why do you think Prussia has a hundred warships? I highly doubt they would have that many vessels.

The 4.5 was actually for Brazil, and the 3 was for Portugal, but that seems a conservative estimate. So how about 3.5/5?
Alrighty.
I found this at first glance. Mind you don't choke with all the dust.
Thank you. I made it only because I was bored - that other map is a lot more accurate, cheers.

Five for Brazil and the Portuguese Empire minus occupied Portugal seems fine.

I think your map looks great. I am working on a map of all nations using a Victoria II template. Disaster does not begin to describe the result. I wish I could make maps like that.

[Kosovo12345]

Sweden wants saint petersburg? my dear capital? He have better luck taking over Berlin. ^^

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Sweden wants saint petersburg? my dear capital? He have better luck taking over Berlin. ^^

Nah, don't worry. I will burn Berlin. Annexation will do for Saint Petersburg, and Moscow... Well, that depends on your actions.

[Kosovo12345]

Sweden wants saint petersburg? my dear capital? He have better luck taking over Berlin. ^^

Nah, don't worry. I will burn Berlin. Annexation will do for Saint Petersburg, and Moscow... Well, that depends on your actions.

what country are you? France?

[Tracian Empire]

I'd like to reserve Great Britain unless Caltarania changes his mind about cancelling his reservation, in which case I'd like to reserve the Qing dynasty instead.

I apologise for letting people down in the previous RP. I ended up having less time than I had expected.

Noted.

Seems... We will need a kingdom of Sweden. A kingdom of Sweden, then, we shall have.

Noted.

Reserve the Two Sicilies please

Viva Italia!

Noted.

-snip-

Danzing is a Free City and a French puppet state. Your population is also much too high. After the Treaties of Tilsit Prussia was left with a population of just 4,500,000 so it should probably be around 5,000,000 now. The good news is that Prussia is so militarized a society that you don't have to reduce the size of your army.

Also why do you think Prussia has a hundred warships? I highly doubt they would have that many vessels.

The 4.5 was actually for Brazil, and the 3 was for Portugal, but that seems a conservative estimate. So how about 3.5/5?
Alrighty.
I found this at first glance. Mind you don't choke with all the dust.
Thank you. I made it only because I was bored - that other map is a lot more accurate, cheers.

Five for Brazil and the Portuguese Empire minus occupied Portugal seems fine.

I think your map looks great. I am working on a map of all nations using a Victoria II template. Disaster does not begin to describe the result. I wish I could make maps like that.

I modified the things you mentioned, and changed the number of vessels to 30. I understand about Danzig. Well, another thorn deep into the Prussian territory.