2015: The Modern World! [OOC/SIGNUPS/OPEN]

[The New Lowlands]

In the absence of an as-major american entry into the war, it may be helpful to assume that the Fall of France either did not happen or did not happen as completely.

I'm not clear on how that would've occurred, but might be something to keep in mind, as I think the CSA and USA remained neutral in WW2.

Then what the fuck did happen to France? I really do doubt that France would be able to hold.

Also ffs I specifically said that the FoF was the reason we entered the war. ;-;

They lost Amiens or something, IDK.

[Bolovia]

Okay, full thing of my questions/concerns regarding Azteca (and also a few little questions about the FSA in WW2).


Azteca:

-Mexico has a million man army? I call bullshit.
-Some of those economic figures and the policy decisions are rather questionable. Short on money? Oh, let's just raise taxes by 10%. That'll totally just be fine and solve all our problems.

Maya Stuff:
-So, let me get this straight. The Maya regions are protesting for regional autonomy (not even independence! It says it's just protests!). In response, the Aztec government arrests hundreds, executes hundreds of people, and your intelligence agency somehow swiftly implements a Stasi-type informer network (idk how you set that up so quickly, maybe your spies are telepathic?). This Stasi-type informer network receives "million reports daily", but somehow that isn't sufficient to quell the dissent. So, in response to peaceful protests, where you have information on every dissenter (apparently) and have already arrested thousands and executed many of them, the Aztec government chooses to send MiG-29s (which, by the way, were designed as air superiority fighters, not specialized ground attack aircraft, despite the fact that they can fill that role) to bomb civilian population centers inside its own territory. And including hospitals and schools.
Which is fucking insane, especially if your intelligence services somehow have a magical informer network that has materialized out of the blue.

I'm sure someone is going to say that China is doing the same thing (no, it isn't, there were certainly no peaceful protests in China, problem solved now shut up and listen).
Anyways. It seems unrealistic and absurd for any country to intentionally respond to peaceful protests for autonomy with airstrikes against civilian targets like schools and hospitals inside their own territory.

Well if CSA chooses to invade new strategy: Feeck you, you don't kill me I kill me! and then I nuke myself. In the end I'm the leader of my own destiny, so bring it on you trigger happy redneck sonsabitches.

I hope this is a joke. If it isn't, I think this is a clear sign of confusing IC with OOC and an absurdly unrealistic strategy resulting from that cross-pollination, and additionally indicative of Bolovia's lack of interest in actually cooperating.

You have any idea why Senkaku is getting booty tickled over my post? I mean I'm going to rp more accurate actions once I convene my meeting with my General Chiefs of Staff.

So you yourself admit these actions are not realistic, then? And there's no call for being all snarky about me.

Well much like the CSA I don't give a shit, what happens happens, at least it'll give people something to RP and if you find this highly unrealistic my friend your in an AH RP all this screams unrealism, but goodnight.

AH =/= unrealistic, and to say so is to misunderstand the entire genre. AH tries to come up with alternate political situations in a realistic manner and then to have a realistic RP based on these alternate situations. It is not just something where you can handwave and fap off. With the importance of realism thus in mind, I will point out there are plenty of actually realistic ways to "make things interesting."

Overall, I'm just going to say I'm somewhat irritated with Bolovia's IC actions and his subsequent OOC behavior when concerns were raised about them.

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FSA:


-So, confirmation: the FSA does own the Panama Canal, then?
-How significant could the FSA have been in bringing down the Axis? Don't you only have New England? I can't imagine you would be able to produce as much food and materiel as the RL USA did.
-Did the American countries turn on one another during the war? If not, why not? If so, I would imagine Britain, the USSR, and a stronger-than-IRL China would've born the brunt of the fighting and done most of the producing of materiel.

Your points are valid and respected but If I may offer a rebuttal hopefully this will be suffice if not my apologies:

1. The Aztecs were and still are highly militaristic so fielding a million and a half man army I'd say is reasonable states that exist today have a million man army, Pakistan does it in reaction to India, Russia is in reaction to the US, the US is the world police, Egypt just wants a huge to continuously stage coups, besides NGR said that he will not let anyway go above that limit so I'm assuming that my army is fine.

2.They weren't necessarily protesting they were increasing in activity and activated they're Chimalli which is Mayan for shield militia, the Stasi-esqu intelligence service is more or less like the Iraqi Ritajin Services who implemented that same system of report your neighbor except Saddam Hussein had family report family. This didn't just appear out of the blue I'm a regime that has been here since 2001 so it would make sense that within that decade a secret police was established. As for responding to "peaceful protests" these weren't necessarily peaceful as I stated within my post they were armed. My information network is mostly mouth to ear so no I don't have information on every dissenter, I'm not that advanced as the US to have an intensive camera network documenting every move of my people, or have warehouses full of data tracing everyones move, theres a lot of assumptions being made in my secret police network. Maybe some of the people I arrested and executed had nothing to do with any dissent at all, I think its just tedious putting all this into a post.

Raising taxes 10% across the board is going to make me highly unpopular but that measure is still new and people have yet to dissent, may I remind you this is a dictatorship in the end what Montezuma wants goes. The MiG 29 Fulcrums can fit the role of ground attack aircraft so I don't understand why you're getting upset at me.

The same situation is happening with the Mayans as what Saddam did with the Kurds and they weren't even protesting he just did it out of the blue so it not highly unrealistic for me to respond this way, Omar Al-Bashir responded this way in Darfur when they started protesting.

I'm sorry if I'm irritating you, I'm sorry if I'm frustrating, tell me how to fix it and I'll do it. Tell me what you want me to change and I'll change it, anything to make me a better RPer I'll gladly accept the constructive criticism. Please.

[The New Greek Republic]

I'm surprised the Americans didn't line up on opposite sides to try and kill each other, for starters.

Howard Doctrine dictates only "necessary steps" should be taken. War wasn't seen as a necessary step to reunification by the President at the time. Along with shitty economy, there wasn't a plus to waging a dangerous was that could hurt the U.S even further.

I had to go to Canada dude, talk about embarrassing.

[Sabara]

How did the Aztecs survive European diseases....?

[Great Eldaria]

Might i extend my reservation to both Norway and Sweden, app should be up tomorrow.

[Senkaku]

How did the Aztecs survive European diseases....?

Magic and alien space bats. Do not concern yourself. I'm not sure how Europe established any foothold at all in Central America with the Aztecs surviving tbh.

[Hobbesistan]

-So, confirmation: the FSA does own the Panama Canal, then?

canada wouldn't mind owning canals js js

side note: since we've established the point of divergence being the american civil war, wouldn't the Aztecs being killed off be done and dusted as it happened before the point of divergence?

[Bolovia]

How did the Aztecs survive European diseases....?

Magic and alien space bats. Do not concern yourself. I'm not sure how Europe established any foothold at all in Central America with the Aztecs surviving tbh.

I'll recton my app, I'll recton everything. Is this what you want?

[Sabara]

@Whoever who's playing Canada:

Would you mind attending a "cooperation" summit in Singapore?

[Hobbesistan]

@Whoever who's playing Canada:

Would you mind attending a "cooperation" summit in Singapore?

shure

[Bolovia]

I rectonned the airstrikes on the Yucatan.

[Soviet Chernarus]

Finished

[The New Greek Republic]

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ACCEPTED

[The New Greek Republic]

It's too quiet around here.

[Altito Asmoro]

It's too quiet around here.

What do you want me to do? Attacking Saudi Arabia to make this OOC not quiet?

Tell me NGR, does USA still displays the same level of animosity with Iran like RL USA?

[The New Greek Republic]

It's too quiet around here.

What do you want me to do? Attacking Saudi Arabia to make this OOC not quiet?

Tell me NGR, does USA still displays the same level of animosity with Iran like RL USA?

With our economy we can't afford to do that with an oil holding country So not at all, but we're vet distrustful of the current government.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

What do you want me to do? Attacking Saudi Arabia to make this OOC not quiet?

Tell me NGR, does USA still displays the same level of animosity with Iran like RL USA?

With our economy we can't afford to do that with an oil holding country So not at all, but we're vet distrustful of the current government.

You always have your Christian, White and Right wing friends in North Africa to buy oil from!

[Altito Asmoro]

What do you want me to do? Attacking Saudi Arabia to make this OOC not quiet?

Tell me NGR, does USA still displays the same level of animosity with Iran like RL USA?

With our economy we can't afford to do that with an oil holding country So not at all, but we're vet distrustful of the current government.

But you have Saudi Arabia.

[The New Greek Republic]

With our economy we can't afford to do that with an oil holding country So not at all, but we're vet distrustful of the current government.

But you have Saudi Arabia.

We also need to have as many economic allies as manageable.

[Altito Asmoro]

But you have Saudi Arabia.

We also need to have as many economic allies as manageable.

Do you still embargo Iran, on either military sanctions or economy sanctions by any chance?

[The New Greek Republic]

We also need to have as many economic allies as manageable.

Do you still embargo Iran, on either military sanctions or economy sanctions by any chance?

Nope, as far as I'm concerned I have no reason to.

Hey, you gave me amazing advice on my first day of NSing ;p

[Togeria]

I might have to leave this RP.

[The New Greek Republic]

I might have to leave this RP.

Too late, you have joined our botherhood to leave is to die

Lol no why though?

[Reddogkeno101]

I might have to leave this RP.

Too late, you have joined our botherhood to leave is to die

Lol no why though?

I may have to as well, depending. Because we're going back to term 3 on Monday and because my NS time will now be dedicated to the people who waited two months for me to start our region.

[The New Greek Republic]

Too late, you have joined our botherhood to leave is to die

Lol no why though?

I may have to as well, depending. Because we're going back to term 3 on Monday and because my NS time will now be dedicated to the people who waited two months for me to start our region.

Not you too