2015: The Modern World! [OOC/SIGNUPS/OPEN]

[Epraria]

bomb aztecs 2015

Bomb the Franco German oppressors

Support rebels against Nazi North Africa.

[Lunas Legion]

Pretty much this. However, it's enforcement varies between presidency. Usually dedicating ourselves to reuniting America will drain the economy compared to when we're not. For instance, under President Howard (the namesake), the economy was horrible and seemed like it would never get back on track, the next few presidents loosely followed the HD and used support from Canada to rebuild the economy, now President Stoudt is neutralish but follows it more than not and as a result, our economy is stagnating.

Coolio.

By the way, I am half debating having Bernie Sanders (my VP) deliver a speech about the CSA, Mexico or Union of North Africa, about conservatism and/or extremism.

Y u lump CSA with genociding maniacs and apartheid NA? We're not officially racist damnit.

[Caltarania]

Coolio.

By the way, I am half debating having Bernie Sanders (my VP) deliver a speech about the CSA, Mexico or Union of North Africa, about conservatism and/or extremism.

Y u lump CSA with genociding maniacs and apartheid NA? We're not officially racist damnit.

It'd be aimed at your society, not your government.

[Lunas Legion]

Y u lump CSA with genociding maniacs and apartheid NA? We're not officially racist damnit.

It'd be aimed at your society, not your government.

Understandable. There'll probably be celebrations, because an official condemnation from the Liberal Republic of Athiest Pinkos is just saying they've been doing something right in their eyes.

[Senkaku]

Okay, full thing of my questions/concerns regarding Azteca (and also a few little questions about the FSA in WW2).


Azteca:

-Mexico has a million man army? I call bullshit.
-Some of those economic figures and the policy decisions are rather questionable. Short on money? Oh, let's just raise taxes by 10%. That'll totally just be fine and solve all our problems.

Maya Stuff:
-So, let me get this straight. The Maya regions are protesting for regional autonomy (not even independence! It says it's just protests!). In response, the Aztec government arrests hundreds, executes hundreds of people, and your intelligence agency somehow swiftly implements a Stasi-type informer network (idk how you set that up so quickly, maybe your spies are telepathic?). This Stasi-type informer network receives "million reports daily", but somehow that isn't sufficient to quell the dissent. So, in response to peaceful protests, where you have information on every dissenter (apparently) and have already arrested thousands and executed many of them, the Aztec government chooses to send MiG-29s (which, by the way, were designed as air superiority fighters, not specialized ground attack aircraft, despite the fact that they can fill that role) to bomb civilian population centers inside its own territory. And including hospitals and schools.
Which is fucking insane, especially if your intelligence services somehow have a magical informer network that has materialized out of the blue.

I'm sure someone is going to say that China is doing the same thing (no, it isn't, there were certainly no peaceful protests in China, problem solved now shut up and listen).
Anyways. It seems unrealistic and absurd for any country to intentionally respond to peaceful protests for autonomy with airstrikes against civilian targets like schools and hospitals inside their own territory.

Well if CSA chooses to invade new strategy: Feeck you, you don't kill me I kill me! and then I nuke myself. In the end I'm the leader of my own destiny, so bring it on you trigger happy redneck sonsabitches.

I hope this is a joke. If it isn't, I think this is a clear sign of confusing IC with OOC and an absurdly unrealistic strategy resulting from that cross-pollination, and additionally indicative of Bolovia's lack of interest in actually cooperating.

Not even Korea is going to do that.... #WorsethanKorea #Impossibru

You have any idea why Senkaku is getting booty tickled over my post? I mean I'm going to rp more accurate actions once I convene my meeting with my General Chiefs of Staff.

So you yourself admit these actions are not realistic, then? And there's no call for being all snarky about me.

Well much like the CSA I don't give a shit, what happens happens, at least it'll give people something to RP and if you find this highly unrealistic my friend your in an AH RP all this screams unrealism, but goodnight.

AH =/= unrealistic, and to say so is to misunderstand the entire genre. AH tries to come up with alternate political situations in a realistic manner and then to have a realistic RP based on these alternate situations. It is not just something where you can handwave and fap off. With the importance of realism thus in mind, I will point out there are plenty of actually realistic ways to "make things interesting."

Overall, I'm just going to say I'm somewhat irritated with Bolovia's IC actions and his subsequent OOC behavior when concerns were raised about them.

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FSA:


-So, confirmation: the FSA does own the Panama Canal, then?
-How significant could the FSA have been in bringing down the Axis? Don't you only have New England? I can't imagine you would be able to produce as much food and materiel as the RL USA did.
-Did the American countries turn on one another during the war? If not, why not? If so, I would imagine Britain, the USSR, and a stronger-than-IRL China would've born the brunt of the fighting and done most of the producing of materiel.

[The New Lowlands]

In the absence of an as-major american entry into the war, it may be helpful to assume that the Fall of France either did not happen or did not happen as completely.

I'm not clear on how that would've occurred, but might be something to keep in mind, as I think the CSA and USA remained neutral in WW2.

[Sabara]

Who's up for a Pacific economic conference in Singapore, excluding Korea?

>cheap north korea knockoffs are getting tiring

[Caltarania]

FSA:


-So, confirmation: the FSA does own the Panama Canal, then?
-How significant could the FSA have been in bringing down the Axis? Don't you only have New England? I can't imagine you would be able to produce as much food and materiel as the RL USA did.
-Did the American countries turn on one another during the war? If not, why not? If so, I would imagine Britain, the USSR, and a stronger-than-IRL China would've born the brunt of the fighting and done most of the producing of materiel.

#1 - I don't know, I presume so considering that the FSA seems to have been the only emergent American state with the economy or foreign policy to do so.
#2 - We have much more than New England. We control pretty much all the Northern and Central states east of the Mississippi. They're the most important - in economic terms - states in America, disregarding Texas and California. In terms of food, I'm doubtful that the USA would reject us buying food from them, considering that their economy was in such dire straights. In terms of bringing down the Axis, it'd be much the same as IOTL; we bring fresh troops to the war in a latter stage.
#3 - No. The CSA had a neutral foreign policy, and the USA was far too preoccupied with fixing it's crumbiling economy. Only the FSA managed to intervene, so as IOTL, Russia, China and Britain would have done most of the fighting. It is worth noting, though, that our control of the Rust Belt would have made us a substantial supplier of arms and our control of major coal, oil and gas deposits would have made us a substantial supplier of raw resources.

In the absence of an as-major american entry into the war, it may be helpful to assume that the Fall of France either did not happen or did not happen as completely.

I'm not clear on how that would've occurred, but might be something to keep in mind, as I think the CSA and USA remained neutral in WW2.

Then what the fuck did happen to France? I really do doubt that France would be able to hold.

Also ffs I specifically said that the FoF was the reason we entered the war. ;-;

[Lunas Legion]

In the absence of an as-major american entry into the war, it may be helpful to assume that the Fall of France either did not happen or did not happen as completely.

I'm not clear on how that would've occurred, but might be something to keep in mind, as I think the CSA and USA remained neutral in WW2.

CSA was neutral officially, but because free markets a significant part of manufacturing was repurposed to sell arms and war materials to the Allies for the duration of the war. There was also a decently large Volunteer Force (All-Volunteer CSA Expeditionary Corps) which participated in Operation Torch and the Italian Campaign under General Patton (who became President of the CSA after the war) and CSA escorts for convoys while in CSA waters or the West Atlantic.

In effect the CSA got involved to the extent of RL USA before Pearl Harbour.

[Senkaku]

Then what the fuck did happen to France? I really do doubt that France would be able to hold.

Also ffs I specifically said that the FoF was the reason we entered the war. ;-;

Idea: Spain decided enough was enough with Germany trying to be a fascist hegemon and surprised everyone by declaring war on Germany? Or perhaps Ataturk entered the war against Italy? Or maybe France just held out for a little while longer and evac'd more stuff.

[Senkaku]

In the absence of an as-major american entry into the war, it may be helpful to assume that the Fall of France either did not happen or did not happen as completely.

I'm not clear on how that would've occurred, but might be something to keep in mind, as I think the CSA and USA remained neutral in WW2.

CSA was neutral officially, but because free markets a significant part of manufacturing was repurposed to sell arms and war materials to the Allies for the duration of the war. There was also a decently large Volunteer Force (All-Volunteer CSA Expeditionary Corps) which participated in Operation Torch and the Italian Campaign under General Patton (who became President of the CSA after the war) and CSA escorts for convoys while in CSA waters or the West Atlantic.

In effect the CSA got involved to the extent of RL USA before Pearl Harbour.

Alright, but still, if only the FSA got *directly* involved that places a lot more of the burden on the other Allies. But do not worry, Glorious China and Glorious USSR can handle it.

[Caltarania]

Then what the fuck did happen to France? I really do doubt that France would be able to hold.

Also ffs I specifically said that the FoF was the reason we entered the war. ;-;

Idea: Spain decided enough was enough with Germany trying to be a fascist hegemon and surprised everyone by declaring war on Germany? Or perhaps Ataturk entered the war against Italy? Or maybe France just held out for a little while longer and evac'd more stuff.

Idk. I was thinking maybe the Japanese or Germans tried to takeover the Panama canal (after we blocked their access through it) and did a Pearl Harbour on it, or something to that degree.

[Senkaku]

Idea: Spain decided enough was enough with Germany trying to be a fascist hegemon and surprised everyone by declaring war on Germany? Or perhaps Ataturk entered the war against Italy? Or maybe France just held out for a little while longer and evac'd more stuff.

Idk. I was thinking maybe the Japanese or Germans tried to takeover the Panama canal (after we blocked their access through it) and did a Pearl Harbour on it, or something to that degree.

I'm not sure either Japan or Germany would care that much about it, to be honest. But here's an idea: the FSA gets involved in convoy escort shit and stuff, and Germany responds by attacking your escorts with FW190s and U-boats. In retaliation for a particularly blatant attack the FSA declares war and Japan backs up their ally.

I will note, given the FSA's likely much smaller fleet and more limited industrial and population base, it's looking like China's going to have to do most of the dirty work in the Pacific. I can't see the FSA, with its nearest base in bloody Panama, doing terribly much. The US had long enough supply lines from Hawaii, I just can't see it happening otherwise.

[Senkaku]

To be honest this fractured America really fucks with WW2. I'm surprised the Americans didn't line up on opposite sides to try and kill each other, for starters. Also it means that American materiel and troops are not going to be very involved, despite the fact they were crucial to success in Europe and the Pacific. So this probably means Russia is going to have to do more Eastern Front work, Britain will have to reopen the Western Front all by its lonesome (with limited American aid), and China is going to have to basically do all the work in the Pacific.


We should just change World War Two as needed tbh instead of trying to keep it in there, it could be between different powers or something.

[Caltarania]

Idk. I was thinking maybe the Japanese or Germans tried to takeover the Panama canal (after we blocked their access through it) and did a Pearl Harbour on it, or something to that degree.

I'm not sure either Japan or Germany would care that much about it, to be honest. But here's an idea: the FSA gets involved in convoy escort shit and stuff, and Germany responds by attacking your escorts with FW190s and U-boats. In retaliation for a particularly blatant attack the FSA declares war and Japan backs up their ally.

I will note, given the FSA's likely much smaller fleet and more limited industrial and population base, it's looking like China's going to have to do most of the dirty work in the Pacific. I can't see the FSA, with its nearest base in bloody Panama, doing terribly much. The US had long enough supply lines from Hawaii, I just can't see it happening otherwise.

That sounds alright.

I imagine, as I said earlier, that we'd negotiate a basing agreement with the USA or Canada in order to base some of our fleet on the West coast. Though I would imagine that we'd focus most of attention on Europe until the Nazis were defeated, at which point we'd initiate the Philadelphia Project and nuke the Japanese into submission.

EDIT: In regards to above, I did push for the CSA to attack the FSA during the war, but Lunas wanted to pursue a neutral position with pro-Allied tendencies. Also, you forget that in regards to the CSA and FSA specifically, tensions have dramatically been reduced after the abolition of slavery across America. The FSA sees the CSA as a "meh" neighbour, kinda like how Canada sees the USA in the modern day. There would be little need or reason for us to go to war.

[Senkaku]

I'm not sure either Japan or Germany would care that much about it, to be honest. But here's an idea: the FSA gets involved in convoy escort shit and stuff, and Germany responds by attacking your escorts with FW190s and U-boats. In retaliation for a particularly blatant attack the FSA declares war and Japan backs up their ally.

I will note, given the FSA's likely much smaller fleet and more limited industrial and population base, it's looking like China's going to have to do most of the dirty work in the Pacific. I can't see the FSA, with its nearest base in bloody Panama, doing terribly much. The US had long enough supply lines from Hawaii, I just can't see it happening otherwise.

That sounds alright.

I imagine, as I said earlier, that we'd negotiate a basing agreement with the USA or Canada in order to base some of our fleet on the West coast. Though I would imagine that we'd focus most of attention on Europe until the Nazis were defeated, at which point we'd initiate the Philadelphia Project and nuke the Japanese into submission.

How does the much smaller FSA get a decent nuclear program? Why would the US let you do that instead of just joining the Axis and being like "reunification party amirite"?

Fractured America is of problem. We need to make our own World War Two. And I need to mention something in my app about the PRC building a decently strong navy or something.

[Caltarania]

That sounds alright.

I imagine, as I said earlier, that we'd negotiate a basing agreement with the USA or Canada in order to base some of our fleet on the West coast. Though I would imagine that we'd focus most of attention on Europe until the Nazis were defeated, at which point we'd initiate the Philadelphia Project and nuke the Japanese into submission.

How does the much smaller FSA get a decent nuclear program? Why would the US let you do that instead of just joining the Axis and being like "reunification party amirite"?

Fractured America is of problem. We need to make our own World War Two.

Read my history and you'll see how the Philly Project was a combination of FSA, British and Canadian governments, likely with support from other countries also.

Because the US is not a fascist regime and had an economy so bad that they had to ask Canada for aid?

Meh, I think it works, and either way we don't need to focus on it, as it is a modern day rp.

[Ecrotia]

Is there a map?

[Caltarania]

Is there a map?

Somewhat unfinished.

[Kisinger]

Who's up for a Pacific economic conference in Singapore, excluding Korea?

>cheap north korea knockoffs are getting tiring

Says the one who doesn't have N00ks....

[Ecrotia]

Is there a map?

Somewhat unfinished.

Is there anything open in the ME?

[Sabara]

Is there a map?

Somewhat unfinished.

whit boi
y am i no in

[Caltarania]

Somewhat unfinished.

whit boi
y am i no in

>somewhat unfinished
>not even my map

[Sabara]

whit boi
y am i no in

>somewhat unfinished
>not even my map

Just giving you a hard time. I hate it when people badger the mapmakers. It's so whiny. D:

[The New Lowlands]

I'm surprised the Americans didn't line up on opposite sides to try and kill each other, for starters.

Democratic Peace Theory would suggest that they basically can't go to war. :u