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by New Babylonia » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:40 pm
The Templar High Council wrote:I feel slightly bad bringing this back up after it just ended, but I still feel the need to dispute New B's oppressing of other's ideas.New Babylonia wrote:You WILL need an obscenely massive and heavy battery pack. You will be SEVERELY handicapped by that packs weight. And you would be MUCH BETTER off with a high caliber rifle.
Keep that in mind, if you do it. Perhaps you'll find an actual combat strategy with your team to compensate, as thats about the only thing you can do with such a preposterous object to not hold them back.
I was going to leave the rest of this back on the previous page, but you are still not getting the whole thing about having fun here.The Templar High Council wrote:Carrying a minigun that folds into a lunchbox and has no need for an external energy source or ammunition feed is not such a thing. But we accept it. There's this thing called suspension of disbelief, where it doesn't matter if the shit is real as long as the player/reader accepts it.
Monsters like Grimm aren't real. Semblances aren't real. Magic isn't real. Does that mean this RP has to change from a RWBY one to one where students go to school and fight each other in some sick game where only the strong survive? No, but that would be an interesting idea.
You might call this over, and you might think it's fine to tell people what they can and can't do. But no one has to take anything you say with any serious intent because you're not the OP and you can't order anyone what to do.
What's stopping me from making a character with an electric semblance with a railgun where the coils can come off and act as a whip, while the rest of the gun collapses into a metal rod? Only Stormwrath, and my own lack of motivation.
Some people want collapsible lunchbox miniguns, some people want future tech-ish weapons, some want magic/dust powered weapons, and some people want just a basic sword/shield combo. Nothing is prohibiting any of these, so why do you feel need to get mad at people and say "You can't do this because it's not possible."? The idea of impossibility is in complete opposition to creative writing. If you want it to happen, you can make it happen (as long as the OP's fine with it). And if you don't like it, then tough.

by New Babylonia » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:45 pm

by The Templar High Council » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:57 pm
New Babylonia wrote:The Templar High Council wrote:I feel slightly bad bringing this back up after it just ended, but I still feel the need to dispute New B's oppressing of other's ideas.
I was going to leave the rest of this back on the previous page, but you are still not getting the whole thing about having fun here.
You might call this over, and you might think it's fine to tell people what they can and can't do. But no one has to take anything you say with any serious intent because you're not the OP and you can't order anyone what to do.
What's stopping me from making a character with an electric semblance with a railgun where the coils can come off and act as a whip, while the rest of the gun collapses into a metal rod? Only Stormwrath, and my own lack of motivation.
Some people want collapsible lunchbox miniguns, some people want future tech-ish weapons, some want magic/dust powered weapons, and some people want just a basic sword/shield combo. Nothing is prohibiting any of these, so why do you feel need to get mad at people and say "You can't do this because it's not possible."? The idea of impossibility is in complete opposition to creative writing. If you want it to happen, you can make it happen (as long as the OP's fine with it). And if you don't like it, then tough.
You don't understand creative writing, then. Limitations and such exist for a reason, and to have them not actually makes something thats utter shit.
If you don't like that, even in fictional worlds, certain things like logic apply, then tough luck there too. Truth is, even in Remnant, you'll carry a battery weighing more than you to power it. And if your semblance powers it, it will drain you hard.
'Fun' is not a valid argument against things like logic, and truth. Sorry, that's how the world works, if everything, even RP, was only based on the criteria of 'fun', then you would see quite the problem with everything everywhere being obscenely OP. Yknow, like i said, it makes utter garbage if you throw stuff like logic out.
Yknow, as im gonna say now. You gotta explain how stuff works too, it can't work just because you say 'Fun'.
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by Zrhajan » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:02 pm
The Templar High Council wrote:New Babylonia wrote:You don't understand creative writing, then. Limitations and such exist for a reason, and to have them not actually makes something thats utter shit.
If you don't like that, even in fictional worlds, certain things like logic apply, then tough luck there too. Truth is, even in Remnant, you'll carry a battery weighing more than you to power it. And if your semblance powers it, it will drain you hard.
'Fun' is not a valid argument against things like logic, and truth. Sorry, that's how the world works, if everything, even RP, was only based on the criteria of 'fun', then you would see quite the problem with everything everywhere being obscenely OP. Yknow, like i said, it makes utter garbage if you throw stuff like logic out.
Yknow, as im gonna say now. You gotta explain how stuff works too, it can't work just because you say 'Fun'.
Might I redirect you to: the lunchbox minigun?
Sometimes things don't follow logic. But did that stop anyone from enjoying the first fighting scene with Coco in it? Because I sure as hell was having fun.
My reasoning is: as long as you can provide a reason for it, it's alright. Even if that reason involves magic, or semblances, or dust, or some made-up metal that (like all other made-up metals) is stronger, lighter, and more durable than steel.
Limitations are good, yes, but they're the limitations the story imposes, or that the writer themself imposes. No one has to listen to you tell them what they can and can't do, because you have no more authority than they do on the matter. That's the main point of my argument: that you have no right to tell anyone they can't do something that would very neatly fit in with the RWBYverse.
If we're basing this RP off of cold, hard logic, then it would not resemble the show at all. There is a limit to the absurdity (example: people can't be soloing legions of Grimm, or Coco having a nuclear-powered destroyer in her lunchbox), but reaching those limits is part of roleplaying. Creating things that are memorable and are looked back on fondly. And whether memorable for you is a man-portable railgun or a sniper scythe, I can't change that. So stop trying to ruin other's experiences.

by New Babylonia » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:03 pm
New Babylonia wrote:
Byyyyeeeeeeee.
EDIT: Anyway. Best decision here. Everyone chill back and let Storm say whatever Storm gonna say, and move on afterwards cause thats the logical thing to do.
Any attempts as to keep it going, and i will temporarily ignore list you to make sure i no longer fuel it.

by The Templar High Council » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:14 pm
New Babylonia wrote:New Babylonia wrote:Byyyyeeeeeeee.
EDIT: Anyway. Best decision here. Everyone chill back and let Storm say whatever Storm gonna say, and move on afterwards cause thats the logical thing to do.
Any attempts as to keep it going, and i will temporarily ignore list you to make sure i no longer fuel it.
Just incase people dont notice edits.

They call me Temp. If I take too long to respond, just TG me. Or TG me whenever, I'm online 90% of the time.
Anime God of P2TM, Last of Lithianity, Bro to All, & P2TM's Villain in Glasses. Kacheen!
2014 P2TM Lifetime Achievement Award Winner. During my first year on NS. Go figure.
And 2015 Most Involved in P2TM? On a roll now!
----->Founder of The Council of the Multiverse community.<-----

by New Babylonia » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:21 pm


by The Templar High Council » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:43 pm
New Babylonia wrote:The Templar High Council wrote:I didn't see the ninja'd post.
I'll stop, I feel like I got most of the rant out of me.
It's hard for me not to continue, especially when people decide something like logic just isnt relevant anymore, or that they don't need to explain things because of TVtropes (of all things) or a rule as senseless, pointless and meaningless as the 'R63' and such.
Course, i had a terrible RP 'childhood' on NS, mostly in II, which has bred me to be merciless and unrelenting, worshiping that logic, explanations, and a touch of realism are required. Regardless of topic.
It has, as you can see, made quite the nasty and not fun-to-deal-with result. Believe it or not. I'm not half as bad as i used to be. That's depressing. Anyone else think that's depressing? If you don't, you're wrong.
In other news. I'm.... not entirely sure what i just said above. None of it made sense to me. Not sure its even English. I guess that's for the best, people would do well not to understand these words that i speak.
They call me Temp. If I take too long to respond, just TG me. Or TG me whenever, I'm online 90% of the time.
Anime God of P2TM, Last of Lithianity, Bro to All, & P2TM's Villain in Glasses. Kacheen!
2014 P2TM Lifetime Achievement Award Winner. During my first year on NS. Go figure.
And 2015 Most Involved in P2TM? On a roll now!
----->Founder of The Council of the Multiverse community.<-----

by New Babylonia » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:54 pm
The Templar High Council wrote:New Babylonia wrote:It's hard for me not to continue, especially when people decide something like logic just isnt relevant anymore, or that they don't need to explain things because of TVtropes (of all things) or a rule as senseless, pointless and meaningless as the 'R63' and such.
Course, i had a terrible RP 'childhood' on NS, mostly in II, which has bred me to be merciless and unrelenting, worshiping that logic, explanations, and a touch of realism are required. Regardless of topic.
It has, as you can see, made quite the nasty and not fun-to-deal-with result. Believe it or not. I'm not half as bad as i used to be. That's depressing. Anyone else think that's depressing? If you don't, you're wrong.
In other news. I'm.... not entirely sure what i just said above. None of it made sense to me. Not sure its even English. I guess that's for the best, people would do well not to understand these words that i speak.
My "childhood" was great. I met good people here, founded an active community, and made a lot of good characters. And got taught that having fun was always a rule for RPing.

by The Templar High Council » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:27 pm
Ulvenes wrote:Had I known this weapon would cause this much trouble I wouldn't have agreed to it. Fuck =w=

They call me Temp. If I take too long to respond, just TG me. Or TG me whenever, I'm online 90% of the time.
Anime God of P2TM, Last of Lithianity, Bro to All, & P2TM's Villain in Glasses. Kacheen!
2014 P2TM Lifetime Achievement Award Winner. During my first year on NS. Go figure.
And 2015 Most Involved in P2TM? On a roll now!
----->Founder of The Council of the Multiverse community.<-----

by New Babylonia » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:33 pm
Ulvenes wrote:Had I known this weapon would cause this much trouble I wouldn't have agreed to it. Fuck =w=


by The Templar High Council » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:40 pm
New Babylonia wrote:Ulvenes wrote:Had I known this weapon would cause this much trouble I wouldn't have agreed to it. Fuck =w=
If the character ends up with Lyras, powering it would be easy. You'd have to protect while he charges it, because his connection is so weak. ut, it would be far more powerful than a normal railgun. Since he can not only give it the electric charge it needs, but a pushing force with it.
Which is why i said it would make a decent squad support weapon, mostly because i have a character for whom that would work well with. Especially once he starts mastering his aura, and can hold up a kinetic shield while charging such a thing. 'Course, it'd still be heavy as fuck.
And still hold the team back a good bit due to it.

They call me Temp. If I take too long to respond, just TG me. Or TG me whenever, I'm online 90% of the time.
Anime God of P2TM, Last of Lithianity, Bro to All, & P2TM's Villain in Glasses. Kacheen!
2014 P2TM Lifetime Achievement Award Winner. During my first year on NS. Go figure.
And 2015 Most Involved in P2TM? On a roll now!
----->Founder of The Council of the Multiverse community.<-----

by New Babylonia » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:42 pm
The Templar High Council wrote:New Babylonia wrote:If the character ends up with Lyras, powering it would be easy. You'd have to protect while he charges it, because his connection is so weak. ut, it would be far more powerful than a normal railgun. Since he can not only give it the electric charge it needs, but a pushing force with it.
Which is why i said it would make a decent squad support weapon, mostly because i have a character for whom that would work well with. Especially once he starts mastering his aura, and can hold up a kinetic shield while charging such a thing. 'Course, it'd still be heavy as fuck.
And still hold the team back a good bit due to it.
Well see! If you had good ideas like that, why didn't you say 'em?
I might actually do it then, and we could be pals. But that means I'd need another weapon to use while you charge the coilgun...

by New Babylonia » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:52 pm
Ulvenes wrote:Well having a heavy weapon kind of defeats the purpose of being Jaeger based.. But I guess I can't be perfect.

by Stormwrath » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:28 pm
New Babylonia wrote:
Byyyyeeeeeeee.
EDIT: Anyway. Best decision here. Everyone chill back and let Storm say whatever Storm gonna say, and move on afterwards cause thats the logical thing to do.
Any attempts as to keep it going, and i will temporarily ignore list you to make sure i no longer fuel it.

by Serah » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:30 pm
Stormwrath wrote:New Babylonia wrote:Byyyyeeeeeeee.
EDIT: Anyway. Best decision here. Everyone chill back and let Storm say whatever Storm gonna say, and move on afterwards cause thats the logical thing to do.
Any attempts as to keep it going, and i will temporarily ignore list you to make sure i no longer fuel it.
Since you guys have got into a heated argument over the realism of the use of railguns as BFGs… Very well, here is my two cents on the discussion.
Suspension of disbelief applies in RPs of all kinds, no matter how logical or illogical is the setting. As long as the players accept it, it's alright. Creative writing indeed recognizes limitations, yes, but those limitations are often what the setting defines, not the laws of physics or of reality. People can accept something as illogical as abriefcaselunchbox minigun because the setting defines it. Should things like realism or logic define what weapons characters wield, there wouldn't be transformable weapons anymore. Perhaps what would still exist would be the Myrtenaster minus the rotary Dust chamber.
Truth be told, creative writing is creative as long as it conforms to the Rule of Cool. You can have the most illogical creation you want, provided it conforms to the aforementioned Rule and to the RP's setting. So you can imagine whatever you want provided that most of us in the RP are fine with it.
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by The Templar High Council » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:01 pm
Stormwrath wrote:New Babylonia wrote:Byyyyeeeeeeee.
EDIT: Anyway. Best decision here. Everyone chill back and let Storm say whatever Storm gonna say, and move on afterwards cause thats the logical thing to do.
Any attempts as to keep it going, and i will temporarily ignore list you to make sure i no longer fuel it.
Since you guys have got into a heated argument over the realism of the use of railguns as BFGs… Very well, here is my two cents on the discussion.
Suspension of disbelief applies in RPs of all kinds, no matter how logical or illogical is the setting. As long as the players accept it, it's alright. Creative writing indeed recognizes limitations, yes, but those limitations are often what the setting defines, not the laws of physics or of reality. People can accept something as illogical as abriefcaselunchbox minigun because the setting defines it. Should things like realism or logic define what weapons characters wield, there wouldn't be transformable weapons anymore. Perhaps what would still exist would be the Myrtenaster minus the rotary Dust chamber.
Truth be told, creative writing is creative as long as it conforms to the Rule of Cool. You can have the most illogical creation you want, provided it conforms to the aforementioned Rule and to the RP's setting. So you can imagine whatever you want provided that most of us in the RP are fine with it.
[/discussion]

They call me Temp. If I take too long to respond, just TG me. Or TG me whenever, I'm online 90% of the time.
Anime God of P2TM, Last of Lithianity, Bro to All, & P2TM's Villain in Glasses. Kacheen!
2014 P2TM Lifetime Achievement Award Winner. During my first year on NS. Go figure.
And 2015 Most Involved in P2TM? On a roll now!
----->Founder of The Council of the Multiverse community.<-----

by Stormwrath » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:08 pm
The Templar High Council wrote:Stormwrath wrote:Since you guys have got into a heated argument over the realism of the use of railguns as BFGs… Very well, here is my two cents on the discussion.
Suspension of disbelief applies in RPs of all kinds, no matter how logical or illogical is the setting. As long as the players accept it, it's alright. Creative writing indeed recognizes limitations, yes, but those limitations are often what the setting defines, not the laws of physics or of reality. People can accept something as illogical as abriefcaselunchbox minigun because the setting defines it. Should things like realism or logic define what weapons characters wield, there wouldn't be transformable weapons anymore. Perhaps what would still exist would be the Myrtenaster minus the rotary Dust chamber.
Truth be told, creative writing is creative as long as it conforms to the Rule of Cool. You can have the most illogical creation you want, provided it conforms to the aforementioned Rule and to the RP's setting. So you can imagine whatever you want provided that most of us in the RP are fine with it.
[/discussion]
We may have gone a bit too far, but that just means we both care too much.
It was over a few hours ago. Now I might make a character with a large coilgun that New B's character charges. Maybe, because I'm still not sure I trust myself to not worry about team names to the point of what happened last time.

by The Templar High Council » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:12 pm
Stormwrath wrote:The Templar High Council wrote:We may have gone a bit too far, but that just means we both care too much.
It was over a few hours ago. Now I might make a character with a large coilgun that New B's character charges. Maybe, because I'm still not sure I trust myself to not worry about team names to the point of what happened last time.
Like a lone character?
They call me Temp. If I take too long to respond, just TG me. Or TG me whenever, I'm online 90% of the time.
Anime God of P2TM, Last of Lithianity, Bro to All, & P2TM's Villain in Glasses. Kacheen!
2014 P2TM Lifetime Achievement Award Winner. During my first year on NS. Go figure.
And 2015 Most Involved in P2TM? On a roll now!
----->Founder of The Council of the Multiverse community.<-----

by New Babylonia » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:16 pm
The Templar High Council wrote:Stormwrath wrote:
Like a lone character?
No, like if I join, New B's char and mine would be friends, and he could operate the coilgun while my character is the owner and/or creator of it.
Wait, is that an option? Like a rouge element anithero kind-of deal? I would go with that, maybe.
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