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Postby Prusslandia » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:09 pm

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Conglomerate of Iron wrote:They shouted that they were the Federalists, then detonated the explosives.

Well, unless the federalists claim responsibility IC, it would be logical to assume that there was a chance of it being a false flag operation.

But imagine some temporary sanctions on Boulder City until the truth is uncovered.

Where did they detonate the bomb?

Near that factory of yours, iirc.
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Postby Tayner » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:18 pm

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Tayner wrote:Well, unless the federalists claim responsibility IC, it would be logical to assume that there was a chance of it being a false flag operation.

But imagine some temporary sanctions on Boulder City until the truth is uncovered.

Where did they detonate the bomb?

Near that factory of yours, iirc.

It wouldn't really dammage the factory.

I'll work on a post now.
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Postby Ralnis » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:20 pm

Since the Gun Runners Factory is the only gun production factory in the Mojave. I think I am going to make my own one just to feel safe.
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Postby Dalria » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:46 pm

Ralnis wrote:Since the Gun Runners Factory is the only gun production factory in the Mojave. I think I am going to make my own one just to feel safe.


The Carnegie's have their own gun production going on.

I shall post soon btw.

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Postby Tayner » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:49 pm

Ralnis wrote:Since the Gun Runners Factory is the only gun production factory in the Mojave. I think I am going to make my own one just to feel safe.

Not sure how, but it won't happen overnight.

Also, I used the bombing for a reason to militarize, so, yeah. Next post will probably be about sending a small group of soldiers to Boulder City to demand an investigation. The Argonists there will most likely confirm that they didn't see a caravan leave recently so it couldn't be the federalists.

Also, Vacif, New Freeside owns Aerotech Offices, it's in my app.
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Postby Tayner » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:56 pm

Dalria wrote:
Ralnis wrote:Since the Gun Runners Factory is the only gun production factory in the Mojave. I think I am going to make my own one just to feel safe.


The Carnegie's have their own gun production going on.

I shall post soon btw.

The Gun Runners would still Domanate the firearms market, because they did when the Crimson Caravan was around, and it states in your app that you aren't as powerful as the Crimson Caravan.
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Postby Vacif » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:01 pm

Oh, oops....weird....ANYWAYS, time to move to an unmarked building.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:03 pm

Tayner wrote:
Dalria wrote:
The Carnegie's have their own gun production going on.

I shall post soon btw.

The Gun Runners would still Domanate the firearms market, because they did when the Crimson Caravan was around, and it states in your app that you aren't as powerful as the Crimson Caravan.


Gun Runners only dominated the market because of NCR support. The same is true for the Crimson Caravan.

To be honest, the firearms market would be dominated by imports from the Union State, Warden Republic and Trade Federation in the north, because they each likely have their own state-backed companies.
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Postby Tayner » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:06 pm

Vacif wrote:Oh, oops....weird....ANYWAYS, time to move to an unmarked building.

How about here.
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Postby Tayner » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:07 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Tayner wrote:The Gun Runners would still Domanate the firearms market, because they did when the Crimson Caravan was around, and it states in your app that you aren't as powerful as the Crimson Caravan.


Gun Runners only dominated the market because of NCR support. The same is true for the Crimson Caravan.

To be honest, the firearms market would be dominated by imports from the Union State, Warden Republic and Trade Federation in the north, because they each likely have their own state-backed companies.

Yeah, but now both are backed by the New Vegas Republic.
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Postby Dalria » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:17 pm

Tayner wrote:
Dalria wrote:
The Carnegie's have their own gun production going on.

I shall post soon btw.

The Gun Runners would still Domanate the firearms market, because they did when the Crimson Caravan was around, and it states in your app that you aren't as powerful as the Crimson Caravan.


The Gun Runners were HUGE not that tiny office, that one office was a small wing of the Gun Runners. They just took the names of both the CC and the GR but aren't the actual offspring of those companies. Carnegie on the other hand, are based in the Redding Trade Federation and are the basic offspring of the Crimson Caravan, but we haven't reached our full capacity. Just because they own one factory wouldn't mean they dominant the Firearms market. We can important large quantities from Redding and can produce a nice amount at Carnegie Town.

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Postby Ralnis » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:20 pm

Tayner wrote:
Ralnis wrote:Since the Gun Runners Factory is the only gun production factory in the Mojave. I think I am going to make my own one just to feel safe.

Not sure how, but it won't happen overnight.

Also, I used the bombing for a reason to militarize, so, yeah. Next post will probably be about sending a small group of soldiers to Boulder City to demand an investigation. The Argonists there will most likely confirm that they didn't see a caravan leave recently so it couldn't be the federalists.

Also, Vacif, New Freeside owns Aerotech Offices, it's in my app.

I can bring in guns from Dayglow based off my fame and built it in McCarran, it would be part of the idea to improve the slums.
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Postby Tayner » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:29 pm

Dalria wrote:
Tayner wrote:The Gun Runners would still Domanate the firearms market, because they did when the Crimson Caravan was around, and it states in your app that you aren't as powerful as the Crimson Caravan.


The Gun Runners were HUGE not that tiny office, that one office was a small wing of the Gun Runners. They just took the names of both the CC and the GR but aren't the actual offspring of those companies. Carnegie on the other hand, are based in the Redding Trade Federation and are the basic offspring of the Crimson Caravan, but we haven't reached our full capacity. Just because they own one factory wouldn't mean they dominant the Firearms market. We can important large quantities from Redding and can produce a nice amount at Carnegie Town.

Your app never said anything about a manufacturing plant in Carnegie Town, and why would people buy imported guns when they could have them made cheaply and made locally.
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Postby Dalria » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:33 pm

In app I stated I had an ammo press, that includes the ability to manufacture small arms.

They weapons would be cheaply imported since we are subsidized by several of the large merchant outfits in The Trade Federation whom want to bring wealth to the Mojave.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:34 pm

Tayner wrote:
Dalria wrote:
The Gun Runners were HUGE not that tiny office, that one office was a small wing of the Gun Runners. They just took the names of both the CC and the GR but aren't the actual offspring of those companies. Carnegie on the other hand, are based in the Redding Trade Federation and are the basic offspring of the Crimson Caravan, but we haven't reached our full capacity. Just because they own one factory wouldn't mean they dominant the Firearms market. We can important large quantities from Redding and can produce a nice amount at Carnegie Town.

Your app never said anything about a manufacturing plant in Carnegie Town, and why would people buy imported guns when they could have them made cheaply and made locally.


Because imported guns can be made in bulk. Massive bulk. The Californian factions have better infrastructures and industries than New Vegas ever could. When building an army, this is fairly important. So, Gun Runner sales would probably be to individuals or small groups, but a large army like the Minutemen or Valerians would probably import, because we need a lot of firearms.

Ralnis wrote:
Tayner wrote:Not sure how, but it won't happen overnight.

Also, I used the bombing for a reason to militarize, so, yeah. Next post will probably be about sending a small group of soldiers to Boulder City to demand an investigation. The Argonists there will most likely confirm that they didn't see a caravan leave recently so it couldn't be the federalists.

Also, Vacif, New Freeside owns Aerotech Offices, it's in my app.

I can bring in guns from Dayglow based off my fame and built it in McCarran, it would be part of the idea to improve the slums.


Might want to invest in serious security.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:38 pm

Tayner wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Gun Runners only dominated the market because of NCR support. The same is true for the Crimson Caravan.

To be honest, the firearms market would be dominated by imports from the Union State, Warden Republic and Trade Federation in the north, because they each likely have their own state-backed companies.

Yeah, but now both are backed by the New Vegas Republic.


"Backed" or actually subsidized? It is one thing for the Republic to say "we like your business" and have them buy stuff from you. It is totally different to be on the Crimson Caravan's level in F:NV and be given mass amounts of caps from the NCR all the time, so that they can dominate the market.
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Postby Dalria » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:39 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Tayner wrote:Yeah, but now both are backed by the New Vegas Republic.


"Backed" or actually subsidized? It is one thing for the Republic to say "we like your business" and have them buy stuff from you. It is totally different to be on the Crimson Caravan's level in F:NV and be given mass amounts of caps from the NCR all the time, so that they can dominate the market.


Carnegie's get their money from the venture capitalist in the trade federation :)

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Postby Tayner » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:40 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Tayner wrote:Your app never said anything about a manufacturing plant in Carnegie Town, and why would people buy imported guns when they could have them made cheaply and made locally.


Because imported guns can be made in bulk. Massive bulk. The Californian factions have better infrastructures and industries than New Vegas ever could. When building an army, this is fairly important. So, Gun Runner sales would probably be to individuals or small groups, but a large army like the Minutemen or Valerians would probably import, because we need a lot of firearms.

Ralnis wrote:I can bring in guns from Dayglow based off my fame and built it in McCarran, it would be part of the idea to improve the slums.


Might want to invest in serious security.

You do realize the Gun Runners produced dozens of guns and thousands of rounds every 48 hours in F:NV, right? And so far IC, the gun runners sold to like, two different factions. And it takes time to make and transport guns from California, it doesn't take long to move guns from Freeside to anywhere else in Vegas. And they're backed by Freeside, who is part of the republic.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:41 pm

Dalria wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
"Backed" or actually subsidized? It is one thing for the Republic to say "we like your business" and have them buy stuff from you. It is totally different to be on the Crimson Caravan's level in F:NV and be given mass amounts of caps from the NCR all the time, so that they can dominate the market.


Carnegie's get their money from the venture capitalist in the trade federation :)


Which gives you an edge. Though, the Gun Runners will still be bigger than you because they are based here.
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Postby Dalria » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:42 pm

Tayner wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Because imported guns can be made in bulk. Massive bulk. The Californian factions have better infrastructures and industries than New Vegas ever could. When building an army, this is fairly important. So, Gun Runner sales would probably be to individuals or small groups, but a large army like the Minutemen or Valerians would probably import, because we need a lot of firearms.



Might want to invest in serious security.

You do realize the Gun Runners produced dozens of guns and thousands of rounds every 48 hours in F:NV, right? And so far IC, the gun runners sold to like, two different factions. And it takes time to make and transport guns from California, it doesn't take long to move guns from Freeside to anywhere else in Vegas. And they're backed by Freeside, who is part of the republic.


Still, they can produce way larger quantities at cheaper prices and transport them in mass waves through the various trading companies that inhabit the Redding Trade Federation.

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Postby Tayner » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:44 pm

Dalria wrote:
Tayner wrote:You do realize the Gun Runners produced dozens of guns and thousands of rounds every 48 hours in F:NV, right? And so far IC, the gun runners sold to like, two different factions. And it takes time to make and transport guns from California, it doesn't take long to move guns from Freeside to anywhere else in Vegas. And they're backed by Freeside, who is part of the republic.


Still, they can produce way larger quantities at cheaper prices and transport them in mass waves through the various trading companies that inhabit the Redding Trade Federation.

I'm sure Redding has other places to transport guns then Vegas. If I were to do the math, I'm sure I could flood the market faster then you with firearms.
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Postby Dalria » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:46 pm

Tayner wrote:
Dalria wrote:
Still, they can produce way larger quantities at cheaper prices and transport them in mass waves through the various trading companies that inhabit the Redding Trade Federation.

I'm sure Redding has other places to transport guns then Vegas. If I were to do the math, I'm sure I could flood the market faster then you with firearms.


I highly doubt that.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:47 pm

Tayner wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Because imported guns can be made in bulk. Massive bulk. The Californian factions have better infrastructures and industries than New Vegas ever could. When building an army, this is fairly important. So, Gun Runner sales would probably be to individuals or small groups, but a large army like the Minutemen or Valerians would probably import, because we need a lot of firearms.



Might want to invest in serious security.

You do realize the Gun Runners produced dozens of guns and thousands of rounds every 48 hours in F:NV, right? And so far IC, the gun runners sold to like, two different factions. And it takes time to make and transport guns from California, it doesn't take long to move guns from Freeside to anywhere else in Vegas. And they're backed by Freeside, who is part of the republic.


Dozens, yes. Californians have dozens of plants like the Gun Runners, and plenty more that are bigger. Adding that up, they can probably produce hundreds. It may take time to get them here from California, but not that long. The I-15 goes literally straight to Dayglow.

Ok, being backed by Freeside is not comparable in any way to being backed by the NCR. Freeside can certainly pull together some caps and subsidize them if necessary, but not the like the NCR could. Also, note the difference between being backed by The NV Republic and part of the NV Republic.

Tayner wrote:
Dalria wrote:
Still, they can produce way larger quantities at cheaper prices and transport them in mass waves through the various trading companies that inhabit the Redding Trade Federation.

I'm sure Redding has other places to transport guns then Vegas. If I were to do the math, I'm sure I could flood the market faster then you with firearms.


Yeah, the Trade Federation has contacts and trade routes all over the place.

Only because you are within the Mojave. Give them some time, and the Trade Federation can out-produce and out-perform you. They are a massive alliance of big businesses.
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Postby Ralnis » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:51 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Tayner wrote:Your app never said anything about a manufacturing plant in Carnegie Town, and why would people buy imported guns when they could have them made cheaply and made locally.


Because imported guns can be made in bulk. Massive bulk. The Californian factions have better infrastructures and industries than New Vegas ever could. When building an army, this is fairly important. So, Gun Runner sales would probably be to individuals or small groups, but a large army like the Minutemen or Valerians would probably import, because we need a lot of firearms.

Ralnis wrote:I can bring in guns from Dayglow based off my fame and built it in McCarran, it would be part of the idea to improve the slums.


Might want to invest in serious security.

I can strike a deal with the Ghouls of Dayglow and subsidize my investment to try and bring more guns to the bigger armies. I'm sure they can send some soldiers since they are doing good against the Slavers in Baja and would want more goods to be spread.
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Postby Tayner » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:59 pm

Dalria wrote:
Tayner wrote:I'm sure Redding has other places to transport guns then Vegas. If I were to do the math, I'm sure I could flood the market faster then you with firearms.


I highly doubt that.

So, it takes 8 days and 3 hours to walk from Redding to Vegas, and we would have to add time due to terrain and adding more time for rest stops and nights. (I don't think your guys can walk for 8 days straight) let's give it an even two weeks. Let's say you have 100 guns per caravan, so 100 guns in two weeks. Now, let's say I make 15 guns every 48 hours, in two weeks, I make 105 guns. Now, I'm sure if I expand and manufacture cheaper and more time efficient guns, I could get 20 in 48 hours, so 140 a week, along with thousands of rounds of ammo, just like in F:NV.
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