The Last Colonies - Sci-fi TBS/RP - OOC / Always Open

[G-Tech Corporation]

4 BP, 8 Wealth, and 4 RP. Basically as much as a tier 1 tech and running a Distribution Center for two Years.

Er... That's OP all right. I must have been drunk when I approved of that... If I approved of that.

Yeah. I mean it would be cool if it boosted Happiness by like, 6-8, but 30 is aggressive. I paid 8 BP and 3 RP just for a project that currently gives me +5 Happiness.

[The Burning Sun]

Hmmm... +30 Happiness? Did I really approve of that?
How much did it cost?

46 BP, 8 Wealth, and 4 RP. Basically as much as a tier 1 tech and running a Distribution Center for two Years.

Well, technically, it scales based on how much Pop I have in the city(+2 Happiness and +0.5 Health per)

And it has a 4 Food, 2 E upkeep.

[Farsview]

So...
Does anyone have/willing to sell Desponea Hydrology to me?

[G-Tech Corporation]

46 BP, 8 Wealth, and 4 RP. Basically as much as a tier 1 tech and running a Distribution Center for two Years.

Well, technically, it scales based on how much Pop I have in the city(+2 Happiness and +0.5 Health per)

And it has a 4 Food, 2 E upkeep.

Still, still. That's essentially free Health ad infinitum, as you gain a net 1.5 Health for every five pop, and I think we can all see why a Project that gives +30 Happiness is too powerful.

[The Burning Sun]

Well, technically, it scales based on how much Pop I have in the city(+2 Happiness and +0.5 Health per)

And it has a 4 Food, 2 E upkeep.

Still, still. That's essentially free Health ad infinitum, as you gain a net 1.5 Health for every five pop, and I think we can all see why a Project that gives +30 Happiness is too powerful.

I could reduce the scaling a bit, but I don't necessarily see how it's too OP. If I had kept six Pop in my capital like I planned, I would only be gaining 12 Happiness and 3 Health, which is a bit more reasonable. Instead, the whole cryopod thing ended up forcing me to keep 14 Population there, 5 of which is typically unemployed.

I mean, you can only have 4 secret projects anyway. Like Civ's UU's, UA's, and UI's, they're what distinguishes the players from each other, and just like them, their scale-ability determines their usefulness. IMO, they ought to be a little creatively overpowered, not just flat bonuses to whatever stat you lack.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Still, still. That's essentially free Health ad infinitum, as you gain a net 1.5 Health for every five pop, and I think we can all see why a Project that gives +30 Happiness is too powerful.

I could reduce the scaling a bit, but I don't necessarily see how it's too OP. If I had kept six Pop in my capital like I planned, I would only be gaining 12 Happiness and 3 Health, which is a bit more reasonable. Instead, the whole cryopod thing ended up forcing me to keep 14 Population there, 5 of which is typically unemployed.

I mean, you can only have 4 secret projects anyway. Like Civ's UU's, UA's, and UI's, they're what distinguishes the players from each other, and just like them, their scale-ability determines their usefulness. IMO, they ought to be a little creatively overpowered, not just flat bonuses to whatever stat you lack.

Sure, sure- but my point is that, for what you paid, you get a lot.

Hark will probably get back to you about balancing it.

[The Burning Sun]

I could reduce the scaling a bit, but I don't necessarily see how it's too OP. If I had kept six Pop in my capital like I planned, I would only be gaining 12 Happiness and 3 Health, which is a bit more reasonable. Instead, the whole cryopod thing ended up forcing me to keep 14 Population there, 5 of which is typically unemployed.

I mean, you can only have 4 secret projects anyway. Like Civ's UU's, UA's, and UI's, they're what distinguishes the players from each other, and just like them, their scale-ability determines their usefulness. IMO, they ought to be a little creatively overpowered, not just flat bonuses to whatever stat you lack.

Sure, sure- but my point is that, for what you paid, you get a lot.

Hark will probably get back to you about balancing it.

I could double the cost and work on it for another year.

[Harkback Union]

I recall some talks of a Utopia project, some kind of housing facility that generates extra happiness after its occupants perhaps? Or was it someone else's utopia projects? I recall multiple requests.

Anyway, the current bonuses are indeed incredibly powerful. Perhaps a simple +1 Happiness for all local residents (Basically nobody at the base generates unhappiness) along with a + 2 - 3 Health bonus or other flat bonus could be feasible.

With G-tech, we made a habit of lowering initial benefits from bonuses that expand over time below benefits from flat bonuses. I think this practice makes perfect sense.

[Auricium]

Oi that was mine. Utopial COmplex. Goshdarnit .

edit: also a secret project.

[Auricium]

So...
Does anyone have/willing to sell Desponea Hydrology to me?

I think I might have that. What are you offering?

[Farsview]

I don't see it under your year 20 tech update post...
In fact, the only person I see who has it is Pac Kindom.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I don't see it under your year 20 tech update post...
In fact, the only person I see who has it is Pac Kindom.

Mhm, he's gone that way for undersea building. I could research it in two Quarters, if you're interested in getting your hands on it quickly.

[Farsview]

I don't see it under your year 20 tech update post...
In fact, the only person I see who has it is Pac Kindom.

Mhm, he's gone that way for undersea building. I could research it in two Quarters, if you're interested in getting your hands on it quickly.

Depends on your price...
My current offers would be:
8 Metal or 4 Wealth

[G-Tech Corporation]

Mhm, he's gone that way for undersea building. I could research it in two Quarters, if you're interested in getting your hands on it quickly.

Depends on your price...
My current offers would be:
8 Metal or 4 Wealth

For the tech, or for rushing and making the tech a priority and putting off my personal goals?

[Auricium]

Oh that's because ii get it year 21 q1.

[Farsview]

Depends on your price...
My current offers would be:
8 Metal or 4 Wealth

For the tech, or for rushing and making the tech a priority and putting off my personal goals?

*headslam*
I meant to say 'and' not 'or'... (I had more offers... But deleted them.. )
So 8 metal AND 4 Wealth
(Unless Auricium is willing to undersell you).
Also, my time would be spent reaserching Climatology if you want that instead.

[G-Tech Corporation]

For the tech, or for rushing and making the tech a priority and putting off my personal goals?

*headslam*
I meant to say 'and' not 'or'... (I had more offers... But deleted them.. )
So 8 metal AND 4 Wealth
(Unless Auricium is willing to undersell you).
Also, my time would be spent reaserching Climatology if you want that instead.

Sure, I could work with an equitable tech swap with a minor utility for research diversion.

[The Burning Sun]

I recall some talks of a Utopia project, some kind of housing facility that generates extra happiness after its occupants perhaps? Or was it someone else's utopia projects? I recall multiple requests.

Anyway, the current bonuses are indeed incredibly powerful. Perhaps a simple +1 Happiness for all local residents (Basically nobody at the base generates unhappiness) along with a + 2 - 3 Health bonus or other flat bonus could be feasible.

With G-tech, we made a habit of lowering initial benefits from bonuses that expand over time below benefits from flat bonuses. I think this practice makes perfect sense.

Hrm...

I can go with lowering the Happiness modifier to 1x, but I'd like to keep the 0.5x Health bonus. Not sure if you guys understand just how much potential I'm wasting right now just by keeping those two Hab Pods inside Eientei.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I recall some talks of a Utopia project, some kind of housing facility that generates extra happiness after its occupants perhaps? Or was it someone else's utopia projects? I recall multiple requests.

Anyway, the current bonuses are indeed incredibly powerful. Perhaps a simple +1 Happiness for all local residents (Basically nobody at the base generates unhappiness) along with a + 2 - 3 Health bonus or other flat bonus could be feasible.

With G-tech, we made a habit of lowering initial benefits from bonuses that expand over time below benefits from flat bonuses. I think this practice makes perfect sense.

Hrm...

I can go with lowering the Happiness modifier to 1x, but I'd like to keep the 0.5x Health bonus. Not sure if you guys understand just how much potential I'm wasting right now just by keeping those two Hab Pods inside Eientei.

*shrug*

You could always just move them out, or let them starve if you don't want the population. The trouble is that currently for every five population you hold on Elentei, you can hold an additional 7 outside anywhere completely free of downsides. That's powerful, no matter how you spin it. I'd happily put double Wealth into my Projects to get doubled bonuses for epic Lolz, but there's a reasonable limit on how powerful each project is.

Besides, you still have plenty more to build. You'll survive if your first one only provides an awesome bonus, not a game-breaking one.

[Auricium]

so is it four different types of secret projects?

[The Burning Sun]

Hrm...

I can go with lowering the Happiness modifier to 1x, but I'd like to keep the 0.5x Health bonus. Not sure if you guys understand just how much potential I'm wasting right now just by keeping those two Hab Pods inside Eientei.

*shrug*

You could always just move them out, or let them starve if you don't want the population. The trouble is that currently for every five population you hold on Elentei, you can hold an additional 7 outside anywhere completely free of downsides. That's powerful, no matter how you spin it. I'd happily put double Wealth into my Projects to get doubled bonuses for epic Lolz, but there's a reasonable limit on how powerful each project is.

Besides, you still have plenty more to build. You'll survive if your first one only provides an awesome bonus, not a game-breaking one.

I think it's the way my brain works. I can't settle for simply "good," it has to be better.

And besides, I'd like to mention the Walking Factory. Considering when it showed up, that thing was way more OP. My recent proposal still stands, but I have to go sleep, and since I already hate typing on a phone, this is it for the night.

[G-Tech Corporation]

so is it four different types of secret projects?

I believe it's four discrete Secret Projects, which in general terms are different. No doubling up.

[Auricium]

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[Farsview]

*headslam*
I meant to say 'and' not 'or'... (I had more offers... But deleted them.. )
So 8 metal AND 4 Wealth
(Unless Auricium is willing to undersell you).
Also, my time would be spent reaserching Climatology if you want that instead.

Sure, I could work with an equitable tech swap with a minor utility for research diversion.

My calculations show I would have Climatology by Year 21 (quarter 1 or 2).
So Climatology + 4 metal (or 2 wealth) for Hydrology in year 21?

[Auricium]

I can do a straight up trade. year 21, q1.

climatology, for hydrology?