[HS] Mass Effect: Factions 4.0|OOC| CLOSED

[Celivaia]

Sweet! Means Omega is open for Salarian occupatio-- I mean, intervention *nods*
Not too many Terminus folks about. Get a large enough force there, and I should be able to pull it off.

Council expansion into the Terminus, anyone?

or i can... nuke it?

But think of all the Eezo! So many Tantalus Drives O_O

[Celivaia]

But then those events wouldn't be random, now would they? =P

They've never been truly random; there's always been a link with RP events.

Yeah, but having it *always* be a fleet or ground invasion of some kind would just make me adapt and turn Salarian-owned Omega into an unassailable fortress over time. Defence guns, massive fleet (of light craft, because Salarians), and enough STG SpecOps teams to outnumber 3 Divisions. (Not really, that'd be an INSANE number of SpecOps, but y'get my drift.)

[Lunas Legion]

They've never been truly random; there's always been a link with RP events.

Yeah, but having it *always* be a fleet or ground invasion of some kind would just make me adapt and turn Salarian-owned Omega into an unassailable fortress over time. Defence guns, massive fleet (of light craft, because Salarians), and enough STG SpecOps teams to outnumber 3 Divisions. (Not really, that'd be an INSANE number of SpecOps, but y'get my drift.)

They wouldn't attack you. They'd just cut your supply lines and starve you to death.

[Celivaia]

Yeah, but having it *always* be a fleet or ground invasion of some kind would just make me adapt and turn Salarian-owned Omega into an unassailable fortress over time. Defence guns, massive fleet (of light craft, because Salarians), and enough STG SpecOps teams to outnumber 3 Divisions. (Not really, that'd be an INSANE number of SpecOps, but y'get my drift.)

They wouldn't attack you. They'd just cut your supply lines and starve you to death.

Eh, once I get my full stealth tech operational, I could just throw them on the freighters. Or develop Omega to at least be self-sufficient on life support. Munitions and stuff I'd probably still have to bring in/mine from the surrounding asteroids, but for the most part, I think Omega could become truly self-sufficient, and thus even if the lines do get severed, remain functional, defensible, and awesome.

[Lunas Legion]

They wouldn't attack you. They'd just cut your supply lines and starve you to death.

Eh, once I get my full stealth tech operational, I could just throw them on the freighters. Or develop Omega to at least be self-sufficient on life support. Munitions and stuff I'd probably still have to bring in/mine from the surrounding asteroids, but for the most part, I think Omega could become truly self-sufficient, and thus even if the lines do get severed, remain functional, defensible, and awesome.

I'm talking food. Omega has no soil; it wouldn't be able to grow anywhere near enough food to be self-sufficient. Plus they wouldn't need to board the freighters; blowing them up is quicker and less risky.

[Celivaia]

Eh, once I get my full stealth tech operational, I could just throw them on the freighters. Or develop Omega to at least be self-sufficient on life support. Munitions and stuff I'd probably still have to bring in/mine from the surrounding asteroids, but for the most part, I think Omega could become truly self-sufficient, and thus even if the lines do get severed, remain functional, defensible, and awesome.

I'm talking food. Omega has no soil; it wouldn't be able to grow anywhere near enough food to be self-sufficient. Plus they wouldn't need to board the freighters; blowing them up is quicker and less risky.

Again, freighters with my (eventual) true stealth tech would be incredibly hard to spot, let alone shoot.

And I can always import a ton of soil from Sur'Kesh during the initial occupation or slightly thereafter. I'm digging it all up for new buildings anyhow, might as well put it to use.

[The Krogan]

I think the locals would make it hard as fuck to get anything done if ya took Omega.

[Celivaia]

I think the locals would make it hard as fuck to get anything done if ya took Omega.

That is kind of my worry, but they're all mostly terrified of Aria. Take her out, subdue the mercenary companies, and work on general infrastructure/life improvements, and I should be able to appease them. There may be some insurrectionists, but send in some STG or other Council special forces, and along with general military, and they oughta be able to take care of it. It would be difficult, but doable, I think.

[Lunas Legion]

I'm talking food. Omega has no soil; it wouldn't be able to grow anywhere near enough food to be self-sufficient. Plus they wouldn't need to board the freighters; blowing them up is quicker and less risky.

Again, freighters with my (eventual) true stealth tech would be incredibly hard to spot, let alone shoot.

And I can always import a ton of soil from Sur'Kesh during the initial occupation or slightly thereafter. I'm digging it all up for new buildings anyhow, might as well put it to use.

And water for that soil? And replacement nutrients for it?

Plus fitting all your freighters with stealth would be extremely expensive.

[The Krogan]

I think the locals would make it hard as fuck to get anything done if ya took Omega.

That is kind of my worry, but they're all mostly terrified of Aria. Take her out, subdue the mercenary companies, and work on general infrastructure/life improvements, and I should be able to appease them. There may be some insurrectionists, but send in some STG or other Council special forces, and along with general military, and they oughta be able to take care of it. It would be difficult, but doable, I think.

Yeah, that would probably work, but I feel you would have to run the place like an occupation camp to still get anything done.

Just because you do nice things like improve life support doesn't mean that the locals will like you any better.

[Celivaia]

Again, freighters with my (eventual) true stealth tech would be incredibly hard to spot, let alone shoot.

And I can always import a ton of soil from Sur'Kesh during the initial occupation or slightly thereafter. I'm digging it all up for new buildings anyhow, might as well put it to use.

And water for that soil? And replacement nutrients for it?

Plus fitting all your freighters with stealth would be extremely expensive.

Water can be reclaimed from organic's waste, replacement nutrients would be a bit tricky, but if I find/develop some concentrated form of nutrients and ship those in, I can dilute it to the point where it's still effective, but is in a large enough quantity to last for quite some time. Or I could go the hydroponics route, avoid bringing in the soil the first time, focus just on nutrients, water reclamation, and all that.
Besides, some form of all this would have to be on Omega already in order to support everyone there, they have several million folks, find it difficult to imagine that they have enough trade routes to supply everyone with what they need, some portion, or maybe even the entirety would already be developed on site.

Don't need all my freighters to be stealthed, just the ones for the Omega route.

[Lunas Legion]

And water for that soil? And replacement nutrients for it?

Plus fitting all your freighters with stealth would be extremely expensive.

Water can be reclaimed from organic's waste, replacement nutrients would be a bit tricky, but if I find/develop some concentrated form of nutrients and ship those in, I can dilute it to the point where it's still effective, but is in a large enough quantity to last for quite some time. Or I could go the hydroponics route, avoid bringing in the soil the first time, focus just on nutrients, water reclamation, and all that.
Besides, some form of all this would have to be on Omega already in order to support everyone there, they have several million folks, find it difficult to imagine that they have enough trade routes to supply everyone with what they need, some portion, or maybe even the entirety would already be developed on site.

Don't need all my freighters to be stealthed, just the ones for the Omega route.

Which is still a ridiculously large amount. In canon, only 2 stealthed ships capable of combat ever existed; the 2 Normandies. The Salarians were working on stealth dreadnought designs, but nothing more.

[Celivaia]

That is kind of my worry, but they're all mostly terrified of Aria. Take her out, subdue the mercenary companies, and work on general infrastructure/life improvements, and I should be able to appease them. There may be some insurrectionists, but send in some STG or other Council special forces, and along with general military, and they oughta be able to take care of it. It would be difficult, but doable, I think.

Yeah, that would probably work, but I feel you would have to run the place like an occupation camp to still get anything done.

Just because you do nice things like improve life support doesn't mean that the locals will like you any better.

Quite possibly, but over time, doing all these things and running Omega less harshly than Aria did would probably buy me enough brownie points to not have everyone shooting my forces.
If I genuinely make their lives better, why would they fight? Improve most/a significant portion of their lives, and any insurrectionist forces would lose public support, because they'd be attacking the benevolent newcomers. Sure, I am completely expecting resistance up front, and even for a number of months/2-3 years, but eventually things'll lessen once everyone's lives do indeed improve.

[Celivaia]

Water can be reclaimed from organic's waste, replacement nutrients would be a bit tricky, but if I find/develop some concentrated form of nutrients and ship those in, I can dilute it to the point where it's still effective, but is in a large enough quantity to last for quite some time. Or I could go the hydroponics route, avoid bringing in the soil the first time, focus just on nutrients, water reclamation, and all that.
Besides, some form of all this would have to be on Omega already in order to support everyone there, they have several million folks, find it difficult to imagine that they have enough trade routes to supply everyone with what they need, some portion, or maybe even the entirety would already be developed on site.

Don't need all my freighters to be stealthed, just the ones for the Omega route.

Which is still a ridiculously large amount. In canon, only 2 stealthed ships capable of combat ever existed; the 2 Normandies. The Salarians were working on stealth dreadnought designs, but nothing more.

Well, I currently have Salarian stealth tech, and I made a deal with the Turians to get Tantalus Cores which improve the stealth to the same levels as the Normandies, and then if I get my hands on Geth cloaking tech (used by their Hunters), then I can improve it even further. Work on several iterations of improving it with some STG knowhow, and I'd have a pretty robust stealth system, arguably the best in the galaxy.

[Lunas Legion]

Yeah, that would probably work, but I feel you would have to run the place like an occupation camp to still get anything done.

Just because you do nice things like improve life support doesn't mean that the locals will like you any better.

Quite possibly, but over time, doing all these things and running Omega less harshly than Aria did would probably buy me enough brownie points to not have everyone shooting my forces.
If I genuinely make their lives better, why would they fight? Improve most/a significant portion of their lives, and any insurrectionist forces would lose public support, because they'd be attacking the benevolent newcomers. Sure, I am completely expecting resistance up front, and even for a number of months/2-3 years, but eventually things'll lessen once everyone's lives do indeed improve.

You're Citadel; that makes you the Antichrist. Aria doesn't run Omega; she's the most powerful of several factions on Omega and let's everyone do whatever they want, as long as they don't fuck with her. The Citadel (and all member races) impose all sorts of laws and regulations, which is the entire reason people live in the Terminus. To escape that. And they'll fight tooth and nail to keep that freedom.

[Lunas Legion]

Which is still a ridiculously large amount. In canon, only 2 stealthed ships capable of combat ever existed; the 2 Normandies. The Salarians were working on stealth dreadnought designs, but nothing more.

Well, I currently have Salarian stealth tech, and I made a deal with the Turians to get Tantalus Cores which improve the stealth to the same levels as the Normandies, and then if I get my hands on Geth cloaking tech (used by their Hunters), then I can improve it even further. Work on several iterations of improving it with some STG knowhow, and I'd have a pretty robust stealth system, arguably the best in the galaxy.

Quality doesn't matter. 1 freighter isn't going to supply Omega. You'd need hundreds, constantly bringing food, water and materials; and the cost/amount of resources required to stealth those would be far higher than simply leaving the status quo in place or influencing Aria.

[Celivaia]

Quite possibly, but over time, doing all these things and running Omega less harshly than Aria did would probably buy me enough brownie points to not have everyone shooting my forces.
If I genuinely make their lives better, why would they fight? Improve most/a significant portion of their lives, and any insurrectionist forces would lose public support, because they'd be attacking the benevolent newcomers. Sure, I am completely expecting resistance up front, and even for a number of months/2-3 years, but eventually things'll lessen once everyone's lives do indeed improve.

You're Citadel; that makes you the Antichrist. Aria doesn't run Omega; she's the most powerful of several factions on Omega and let's everyone do whatever they want, as long as they don't fuck with her. The Citadel (and all member races) impose all sorts of laws and regulations, which is the entire reason people live in the Terminus. To escape that. And they'll fight tooth and nail to keep that freedom.

Who says I'd change that? Well, I wouldn't exactly throw it all at them up front, then yeah, that would make me the antichrist to them, but if I improve their lives, throw in a little bit of regulation/law here, improve their lives some more, etc.

This isn't going to be a complete change overnight, it will take QUITE some time to get things to where I'd like, but with enough patience, resources, and work, why can't Omega become like every other colony? And if I bring in some settlers every now and again, gradually increase my culture, the troublemakers could just go somewhere else. I hear GUFT is a single jump away, shoot, I could even offer them a ride there if they hate me/Salarian occupation so much.

[Lunas Legion]

You're Citadel; that makes you the Antichrist. Aria doesn't run Omega; she's the most powerful of several factions on Omega and let's everyone do whatever they want, as long as they don't fuck with her. The Citadel (and all member races) impose all sorts of laws and regulations, which is the entire reason people live in the Terminus. To escape that. And they'll fight tooth and nail to keep that freedom.

Who says I'd change that? Well, I wouldn't exactly throw it all at them up front, then yeah, that would make me the antichrist to them, but if I improve their lives, throw in a little bit of regulation/law here, improve their lives some more, etc.

This isn't going to be a complete change overnight, it will take QUITE some time to get things to where I'd like, but with enough patience, resources, and work, why can't Omega become like every other colony? And if I bring in some settlers every now and again, gradually increase my culture, the troublemakers could just go somewhere else. I hear GUFT is a single jump away, shoot, I could even offer them a ride there if they hate me/Salarian occupation so much.

It doesn't matter what you change. You're part of the Citadel, and thus, no matter what you do, you're a foreign and oppressive occupation. The Soviets built schools and infrastructure in Afganistan; didn't win the locals over.

[Celivaia]

Well, I currently have Salarian stealth tech, and I made a deal with the Turians to get Tantalus Cores which improve the stealth to the same levels as the Normandies, and then if I get my hands on Geth cloaking tech (used by their Hunters), then I can improve it even further. Work on several iterations of improving it with some STG knowhow, and I'd have a pretty robust stealth system, arguably the best in the galaxy.

Quality doesn't matter. 1 freighter isn't going to supply Omega. You'd need hundreds, constantly bringing food, water and materials; and the cost/amount of resources required to stealth those would be far higher than simply leaving the status quo in place or influencing Aria.

Yeah, I was expecting a lot to, but you have to figure, Omega is self-sufficient to some degree. I find it difficult to imagine that the shops on Omega import EVERYTHING from everywhere else. And while it hasn't happened yet, Cerberus did occupy Omega for quite some time, and they don't have the the resources of an entire race such as the Salarians. They don't have hundreds of freighters, dozens of worlds, and access to the quantity of resources you're describing, yet they still held on and successfully occupied Omega, at least until Shepard came long.

[Celivaia]

Who says I'd change that? Well, I wouldn't exactly throw it all at them up front, then yeah, that would make me the antichrist to them, but if I improve their lives, throw in a little bit of regulation/law here, improve their lives some more, etc.

This isn't going to be a complete change overnight, it will take QUITE some time to get things to where I'd like, but with enough patience, resources, and work, why can't Omega become like every other colony? And if I bring in some settlers every now and again, gradually increase my culture, the troublemakers could just go somewhere else. I hear GUFT is a single jump away, shoot, I could even offer them a ride there if they hate me/Salarian occupation so much.

It doesn't matter what you change. You're part of the Citadel, and thus, no matter what you do, you're a foreign and oppressive occupation. The Soviets built schools and infrastructure in Afganistan; didn't win the locals over.

Well, we'll just have to see. It may go horribly wrong, or it may work out. Depends on my plan, how much went into the plan, and the OP's mood at the time.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

Done Omega before. Thought I'd do something different.

Sweet! Means Omega is open for Salarian occupatio-- I mean, intervention *nods*
Not too many Terminus folks about. Get a large enough force there, and I should be able to pull it off.

Council expansion into the Terminus, anyone?

No objections from the Asari Republics. Dibs on Illium.

It's a faction con. The Quarians cannot build ANYWHERE unless they retake Rannoch.

They can give me the money so I build it and then allow their scientist to enter the facility under my "employment".

Since I am planning to build a research facility next month the Quarians can also use that, since it will be military run anything that happens there will be classified of course and she can make up a reason for Quarians to be there. At most Matriarch Seri will simply ask for them to share the research results with the Asari, something like the Arc pistol would definitely interest her.

[Vicavian Empire]

Sweet! Means Omega is open for Salarian occupatio-- I mean, intervention *nods*
Not too many Terminus folks about. Get a large enough force there, and I should be able to pull it off.

Council expansion into the Terminus, anyone?

No objections from the Asari Republics. Dibs on Illium.

They can give me the money so I build it and then allow their scientist to enter the facility under my "employment".

Since I am planning to build a research facility next month the Quarians can also use that, since it will be military run anything that happens there will be classified of course and she can make up a reason for Quarians to be there. At most Matriarch Seri will simply ask for them to share the research results with the Asari, something like the Arc pistol would definitely interest her.

if you bring liara along in that mission, she specifically says some of her people would be interested

[Vicavian Empire]

Sweet! Means Omega is open for Salarian occupatio-- I mean, intervention *nods*
Not too many Terminus folks about. Get a large enough force there, and I should be able to pull it off.

Council expansion into the Terminus, anyone?

No objections from the Asari Republics. Dibs on Illium.

They can give me the money so I build it and then allow their scientist to enter the facility under my "employment".

Since I am planning to build a research facility next month the Quarians can also use that, since it will be military run anything that happens there will be classified of course and she can make up a reason for Quarians to be there. At most Matriarch Seri will simply ask for them to share the research results with the Asari, something like the Arc pistol would definitely interest her.

btw, admiral qwib qwib is going to stare at you in disbelief for about an hour

[Vicavian Empire]

and if i geth asari help, can i get an Arc rifle since asari scientists are op

[Dixmix]

Arch, how much will it cost to have Super Vorcha?