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Pre-War Poll: CIS vs. NATO who has the initial upperhand? NO.1 of 3

Poll ended at Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:15 pm

NATO, Coalition of the Free World!
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57%
CIS, Alliance of Order and Prosperity!
12
27%
Unsure, could go either way initially.
2
5%
Both alliances are going to hell in the initial run.
5
11%
 
Total votes : 44

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Postby New Republika Srpska » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:50 am

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New Republika Srpska wrote:I know about Indonesia, mostly about the military. I RP sometimes as Indonesia too.

I can help you with the military if you want.

Thanks, I'll need it. I'll be reading mostly about how Indonesia functions, and apparently they support e-sports.

They are as well part of the Non-Aligned Movement.

TG me if you need help with Military.
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Postby Ecrotia » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:20 am

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Ecrotia wrote:As a NATO member, I have already rescinded Georgia's admittance into the group so that we can hold a vote on the NATO thread

There is no NATO Thread and no NATO Members seem concerned with people trying to get in so that's your fault

There is a NATO page and admission needs to be addressed. People didn't say anything because it wasn't written on any of the IC posts. Plus, Obama can't decide if someone is in or not either, it has to be addressed by the Seceratry General, in this case it Jens Stoltenberg, a Norwegian

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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:23 am

Ecrotia wrote:
The NAR wrote:There is no NATO Thread and no NATO Members seem concerned with people trying to get in so that's your fault

There is a NATO page and admission needs to be addressed. People didn't say anything because it wasn't written on any of the IC posts. Plus, Obama can't decide if someone is in or not either, it has to be addressed by the Seceratry General, in this case it Jens Stoltenberg, a Norwegian

I'm waiting for someone to post there
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Postby The NAR » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:27 am

Kosovo12345, you can't be at the UN Summit. Syria isn't in the UN
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Postby Ecrotia » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:28 am

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
Ecrotia wrote:There is a NATO page and admission needs to be addressed. People didn't say anything because it wasn't written on any of the IC posts. Plus, Obama can't decide if someone is in or not either, it has to be addressed by the Seceratry General, in this case it Jens Stoltenberg, a Norwegian

I'm waiting for someone to post there

Done

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Postby New Republika Srpska » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:32 am

The NAR wrote:Kosovo12345, you can't be at the UN Summit. Syria isn't in the UN

When was Syria kicked out of the UN?
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Postby Ecrotia » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:34 am

New Republika Srpska wrote:
The NAR wrote:Kosovo12345, you can't be at the UN Summit. Syria isn't in the UN

When was Syria kicked out of the UN?

They aren't.

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Postby New Republika Srpska » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:35 am

Ecrotia wrote:
New Republika Srpska wrote:When was Syria kicked out of the UN?

They aren't.

I know they aren't. But to kick someone out of the UN there needs to be a proposal or something, including a vote...
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Postby New Republika Srpska » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:35 am

NAR, I think you should check this.
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Postby Ecrotia » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:39 am

New Republika Srpska wrote:
Ecrotia wrote:They aren't.

I know they aren't. But to kick someone out of the UN there needs to be a proposal or something, including a vote...

A member state may be suspended or expelled from the UN, according to the United Nations Charter. From Chapter II, Article 5:[3]

'A Member of the United Nations against which preventive or enforcement action has been taken by the Security Council may be suspended from the exercise of the rights and privileges of membership by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council. The exercise of these rights and privileges may be restored by the Security Council.

From Article 6:

A Member of the United Nations which has persistently violated the Principles contained in the present Charter may be expelled from the Organization by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.'

Plus I think they can withdraw, however there isn't a system in place to check the legality of withdrawal as only Indonesia had ever withdrawn and even then it was for just a year.

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Postby New Republika Srpska » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:40 am

Ecrotia wrote:
New Republika Srpska wrote:I know they aren't. But to kick someone out of the UN there needs to be a proposal or something, including a vote...

A member state may be suspended or expelled from the UN, according to the United Nations Charter. From Chapter II, Article 5:[3]

'A Member of the United Nations against which preventive or enforcement action has been taken by the Security Council may be suspended from the exercise of the rights and privileges of membership by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council. The exercise of these rights and privileges may be restored by the Security Council.

From Article 6:

A Member of the United Nations which has persistently violated the Principles contained in the present Charter may be expelled from the Organization by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.'

Plus I think they can withdraw, however there isn't a system in place to check the legality of withdrawal as only Indonesia had ever withdrawn and even then it was for just a year.

Alright.
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Postby Kiljaeden » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:00 am

The NAR wrote:
Ecrotia wrote:As a NATO member, I have already rescinded Georgia's admittance into the group so that we can hold a vote on the NATO thread

There is no NATO Thread and no NATO Members seem concerned with people trying to get in so that's your fault


I quote this from Wikipedia on Article 10 of NATO - I'm no expert but here's what googling brought me.

"This article poses two general limits to non-member states. First, only European states are eligible for new membership, and second, these states not only need the approval of all the existing member states, but every member state can put some criteria forward that have to be attained."

Israel definitely seems to be out as an official member of NATO, although I'm sure the US and by extension NATO will come to its aid if it is ever seriously threatened. Georgia on the other hand will need unanimous approval which I doubt it'll get since this is almost equivalent to an escalation of tensions with the USSR. Bear in mind that the US is fighting for influence here, while other European countries will be fighting for survival, so it seems unlikely Europe will be enthusiastic about any conflict.

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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:09 am

Kiljaeden wrote:
The NAR wrote:There is no NATO Thread and no NATO Members seem concerned with people trying to get in so that's your fault


I quote this from Wikipedia on Article 10 of NATO - I'm no expert but here's what googling brought me.

"This article poses two general limits to non-member states. First, only European states are eligible for new membership, and second, these states not only need the approval of all the existing member states, but every member state can put some criteria forward that have to be attained."

Israel definitely seems to be out as an official member of NATO, although I'm sure the US and by extension NATO will come to its aid if it is ever seriously threatened. Georgia on the other hand will need unanimous approval which I doubt it'll get since this is almost equivalent to an escalation of tensions with the USSR. Bear in mind that the US is fighting for influence here, while other European countries will be fighting for survival, so it seems unlikely Europe will be enthusiastic about any conflict.

There's talk about making changes to Article 10 so non-European members can join NATO
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Postby The NAR » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:11 am

New Republika Srpska wrote:NAR, I think you should check this.


My bad
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Postby Kiljaeden » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:29 am

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
Kiljaeden wrote:
I quote this from Wikipedia on Article 10 of NATO - I'm no expert but here's what googling brought me.

"This article poses two general limits to non-member states. First, only European states are eligible for new membership, and second, these states not only need the approval of all the existing member states, but every member state can put some criteria forward that have to be attained."

Israel definitely seems to be out as an official member of NATO, although I'm sure the US and by extension NATO will come to its aid if it is ever seriously threatened. Georgia on the other hand will need unanimous approval which I doubt it'll get since this is almost equivalent to an escalation of tensions with the USSR. Bear in mind that the US is fighting for influence here, while other European countries will be fighting for survival, so it seems unlikely Europe will be enthusiastic about any conflict.

There's talk about making changes to Article 10 so non-European members can join NATO


Probably, but that'll take months for it to happen, and even then there will be additional discussions for Israel (if it's considered) to join. Nothing like the US unilaterally admitting Georgia and then Israel will happen still.

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Postby Ecrotia » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:51 am

The NAR wrote:
New Republika Srpska wrote:NAR, I think you should check this.


My bad

So you gonna change the news post? Also in the NATO thread, if you want Georgian admittance discussed, tell Cameron and he'll schedule it in

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Postby The NAR » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:52 am

Ecrotia wrote:
The NAR wrote:
My bad

So you gonna change the news post? Also in the NATO thread, if you want Georgian admittance discussed, tell Cameron and he'll schedule it in

I'll delete the news post, yes
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Postby Armeia » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:30 am

I'm doing the next post for Ukraine and Praeter today so if you want to order any of the new guns or the experimental U-5 planes, you should post it on the IC soon.
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Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:53 am

Hey guys how's it..... JESUS CHRIST WHAT ARE YOU DOING

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Postby Independent States of Tula » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:57 am

Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:Hey guys how's it..... JESUS CHRIST WHAT ARE YOU DOING


Which part causes you concern? ...It better not be the Israeli invasion of Syria to install both a Pro-Israeli Syrian government and the beginning of an Independent Kurdish Nation while simultaneously killing off ISIS from the area.

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Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:59 am

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:Hey guys how's it..... JESUS CHRIST WHAT ARE YOU DOING


Which part causes you concern? ...It better not be the Israeli invasion of Syria to install both a Pro-Israeli Syrian government and the beginning of an Independent Kurdish Nation while simultaneously killing off ISIS from the area.

No, it's just that every major power is now controlled by a group of hotheaded warmongerers.

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Postby Independent States of Tula » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:01 am

Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:
Independent States of Tula wrote:
Which part causes you concern? ...It better not be the Israeli invasion of Syria to install both a Pro-Israeli Syrian government and the beginning of an Independent Kurdish Nation while simultaneously killing off ISIS from the area.

No, it's just that every major power is now controlled by a group of hotheaded warmongerers.


Eh...mostly Russia's trying to lead the world towards the fun game of Thermonuclear War...but I see the point.

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Postby Kosovo12345 » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:02 am

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:No, it's just that every major power is now controlled by a group of hotheaded warmongerers.


Eh...mostly Russia's trying to lead the world towards the fun game of Thermonuclear War...but I see the point.

Assad gonna attack you with chemicals...just saying...lol

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Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:03 am

Kosovo12345 wrote:
Independent States of Tula wrote:
Eh...mostly Russia's trying to lead the world towards the fun game of Thermonuclear War...but I see the point.

Assad gonna attack you with chemicals...just saying...lol

^My point exactly. KEEP ON BUYING SAUDI OIL, ASSAD. KEEP ON MAKING US RICH.

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Postby Reatra » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:03 am

If you guys are planning a giant worldwide war now would be a good time.

Please do it.

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