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Pre-War Poll: CIS vs. NATO who has the initial upperhand? NO.1 of 3

Poll ended at Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:15 pm

NATO, Coalition of the Free World!
25
57%
CIS, Alliance of Order and Prosperity!
12
27%
Unsure, could go either way initially.
2
5%
Both alliances are going to hell in the initial run.
5
11%
 
Total votes : 44

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Ecrotia
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Postby Ecrotia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:52 am

Also, I think we should rescind Georgia's admission into NATO as there wasn't a vote for it and America can't simply say who and who isn't part of NATO. It's a democratic group and we should hold a vote for it. Vote here:

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=345342

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Postby Independent States of Tula » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:55 am

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
The New Greek Republic wrote:
NORTH KOREA STRONK

Also just seen where Poland is in negotiations with the U.S for weapons, finally, I can condemn the United States for no reason :p

Well, that's what Poland is doing IRL

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/mili ... /70204946/


Poland might want to buy Iron Dome Systems alongside the UK with the way things are looking.

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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:57 am

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Soviet Chernarus wrote:Well, that's what Poland is doing IRL

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/mili ... /70204946/


Poland might want to buy Iron Dome Systems alongside the UK with the way things are looking.

Aye, I'll be looking into that
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Postby Armeia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:57 am

Ecrotia wrote:
Armeia wrote:The whole country isn't, mainly the UPF

But how did the UPF get into power then? Most Ukrainians wouldn't vote for a party where the leader if rumoured to have helped the Russians in Crimea

Votes from the Pro-Russian eastern areas plus I hinted at tampering with the votes in my last post.
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:01 am

Ecrotia wrote:Also, I think we should rescind Georgia's admission into NATO as there wasn't a vote for it and America can't simply say who and who isn't part of NATO. It's a democratic group and we should hold a vote for it. Vote here:

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=345342

Will there be a poll or do we say whether or not we want Georgia to join through a post? FYI, Poland supports Georgian entry into NATO
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Postby Ecrotia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:19 am

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
Ecrotia wrote:Also, I think we should rescind Georgia's admission into NATO as there wasn't a vote for it and America can't simply say who and who isn't part of NATO. It's a democratic group and we should hold a vote for it. Vote here:

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=345342

Will there be a poll or do we say whether or not we want Georgia to join through a post? FYI, Poland supports Georgian entry into NATO

More along the lines of a debate about it before voting on it

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Ecrotia
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Postby Ecrotia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:20 am

Armeia wrote:
Ecrotia wrote:But how did the UPF get into power then? Most Ukrainians wouldn't vote for a party where the leader if rumoured to have helped the Russians in Crimea

Votes from the Pro-Russian eastern areas plus I hinted at tampering with the votes in my last post.

If that's the case, you'll have to deal with protests from the large amounts of pro-EU people and probably a revote with international observers because something like this wouldn't be overlooked

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Postby Armeia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:22 am

Ecrotia wrote:
Armeia wrote:Votes from the Pro-Russian eastern areas plus I hinted at tampering with the votes in my last post.

If that's the case, you'll have to deal with protests from the large amounts of pro-EU people and probably a revote with international observers because something like this wouldn't be overlooked

That's whats going to happen in the next post, but probably not a revote, I had international observers at the first vote.
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Postby Ecrotia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:22 am

Armeia wrote:
Ecrotia wrote:If that's the case, you'll have to deal with protests from the large amounts of pro-EU people and probably a revote with international observers because something like this wouldn't be overlooked

That's whats going to happen in the next post, but probably not a revote, I had international observers at the first vote.

Well then they'd flag up that the numbers wouldn't add up

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Postby Benian Republic » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:34 am

Is there an Argentina player?
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Postby Ecrotia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:37 am

Benian Republic wrote:Is there an Argentina player?

No, more importantly though, are you even going to post on the IC?

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Postby Benian Republic » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:39 am

Ecrotia wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Is there an Argentina player?

No, more importantly though, are you even going to post on the IC?

Yeah in the hour I was very sick last night that's why I didn't last night.
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Postby Augusticinia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:56 am

When will the sports thread be up?

It is a nice thing to post on to relax from all of the War and Politics and there have been some Flare problems at Football (Soccer) games in Turkey.

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Postby The New Lowlands » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:57 am

Armeia wrote:Alright, after my next Ukraine post I'm unleashing a round of new weapons from Praeter including the Moscow Pact version of the Eurofighter Typhoon. Anyone want to buy from me?

Moscow's equivalent of the Eurofighter is the MiG-29. Why are you building new fourth-generation fighters?
Especially if (assuming you're still Ukraine) you absolutely do not have the money for it.
And it's still not going to be as good as Eurofighter. :/
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The NAR wrote:Doesn't mean they want to, let alone are allowed to leave. Plus, an independent Texas, like any other state, wouldn't end well

Actually texas is the only state slowed to leave the us since they were the only one that was once there own country and I think that they could do pretty well if u compare it to the us right now texas has a very good economy

This is neither legally nor de facto true.

Texas doesn't even want to leave.
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Ecrotia wrote:Even though it makes no sense and has no plausibility for the pro-EU government to suddenly switch allegiances

The party that was pro-EU is out of power now.

This makes very little sense tbh, even if there was an election.

Is South Korea open?

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Postby New Republika Srpska » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:01 am

Ecrotia wrote:Also, I think we should rescind Georgia's admission into NATO as there wasn't a vote for it and America can't simply say who and who isn't part of NATO. It's a democratic group and we should hold a vote for it. Vote here:

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=345342

I could make an EU thread if you guys wouldn't mind. We have a NATO thread, so we need an EU one now.
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Postby Red Party » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:07 am

Kiljaeden wrote:
Armeia wrote:Well if a war ever breaks out we'll be on the Moscow Pact side so I don't think we have to worry about Crimea too much. Plus we might be arming the rest of the alliance soon through Praeter.


Only guy who has any weight in the 'Moscow Pact' is Russia - back to square one.

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Postby Ecrotia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:16 am

The New Lowlands wrote:
Armeia wrote:Alright, after my next Ukraine post I'm unleashing a round of new weapons from Praeter including the Moscow Pact version of the Eurofighter Typhoon. Anyone want to buy from me?

Moscow's equivalent of the Eurofighter is the MiG-29. Why are you building new fourth-generation fighters?
Especially if (assuming you're still Ukraine) you absolutely do not have the money for it.
And it's still not going to be as good as Eurofighter. :/
Northern United Islands wrote:Actually texas is the only state slowed to leave the us since they were the only one that was once there own country and I think that they could do pretty well if u compare it to the us right now texas has a very good economy

This is neither legally nor de facto true.

Texas doesn't even want to leave.
Armeia wrote:
Yes
This makes very little sense tbh, even if there was an election.

Is South Korea open?

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Postby New Republika Srpska » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:24 am

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Postby Mikia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:34 am

the reservation for this was made on the 22nd so I think their time has expired so I will make an app for Japan
Nation App:
GENERAL INFORMATION:
NS Name: Mikia
Official Nation Name:The Republic of Japan
Nation short Name:Japan
Territory:Japan's current territory
Population:127,103,388
Government Style:Constitutional Monarchy with an Emperor
Capitol: Tokyo
Head of State:Emperor Akihito
Head of Government:Prime Minister Norio Oda
State Religion:Shinto
Legislature type(ie Bicameral Tricameral etc): Bicameral
Main Political Party(s):the Japanese Labor Party, The Japanese Nationalist Party, The Monarchy party, The People's party of Japan
Political beliefs:With the new Nationalist leaders in parliament The gov't of Japan is anti-monarchy, anti-terror, and in favor of strengthening Japan against threats like China
Political Agenda and/or goals: defeat ISIS, promote Japanese power, curve China's expansionary principles, end the monarchy, and push the people's party of Japan out of the country

MILITARY INFORMATION:
Foreign Policy:go in with diplomacy to come to an agreement, will use it's currency to push it's objectives.
Potential Allies:U.S., U.K., Canada, France, Germany, Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Russia???, China???
Potential Enemies:China, Russia, ISIS
Military Branch names:Japan Ground Self-Defense Force, Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, Japan Air Self-Defense Force, Japanese special forces
Size of each military branch ( Both active and reserves, use Global Firepower as reference)
Total Active:247,173
Total Reserve:57,900
Grand Total:305,073
Type(s) of Automatic Rifle:FN SCAR, Heckler & Koch G36, Howa Type 64, Howa Type 89, HK417, M4 carbine
Type(s) of Pistol:SCK/Minebea 9mm Pistol, Minebea 9mm Machine Pistol, H&K USP, H&K MP7
Number and Type(S) of MBT: 53 Type 10 Main Battle Tank, 341 Type 90 Main Battle Tank, 280 Type 74 Main Battle Tank
Number and Type(s) of IFV:68 Type 89 Infantry Fighting Vehicle,
Number of MRLS's: 99
Number of Towed Artillery:910
Number of APC's:703
-----------------------------------------
Number and Type(s) of Fighter Jets: 70 F-4EJ, 74 F-15J/DJ, 69 F-2, 77 F-35A
Number and Type(s) of Bombers:none (that I can find)
Number and Type(s) of Cargo Planes: 229 C-5 Galaxy, 270 A330 MRTT, and 30 An-22 Antei
Number and Type(s) of Attack Helicopters:13 Boeing AH-64 Apache, 88 Bell AH-1 Cobra,
Number and Type(s) of Transport Helicopters:17 Bell V-22B Osprey, 58 Boeing CH-47 Chinook, 34 UH-60 Black Hawk
Number and Type(s) of UAV's:1 Boeing Insitu ScanEagle
Total # of Aircraft:1,613
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Number and Type(s) of Aircraft Carriers:1 JDS Izumo (DDH-183) Helicopter Destroyer , and 1 JDS Ise (DDH-182)
Number and Type(s) of Destroyer: 8 Takanami-class, 7 Murasame-class, 10 Asagiri-class, 6 Hatsuyuki-class,
Number and Type(s) of Frigates:0
Number and Type(s) of Missile Cruisers:8 Atago-class, 4 Kongō-class
Number and Type(s) of Submarines:10 Oyashio-class, 6 Sōryū-class
Number and Type(s) of LST or LPD: 3 Ōsumi-class
Total # of Ships:96
-----------------------------------------
Number of Nuclear Weapons: 0
Number of Biological Weapons:0
Number of Chemical Weapons:0

ECONOMIC SECTION:
Economy : Capitalist
GDP:5.12 Trillion USD
Main Imports: Crude Petroleum, Petroleum Gas, Refined Petroleum,Coal Briquettes, Computers,Packaged Medicaments, Iron Ore, Broadcasting Equipment,and Copper Ore
Main Exports:Cars, Vehicle Parts, Integrated Circuits, Industrial Printers, Machinery Having Individual Functions, Large Construction Vehicles, Delivery Trucks, and Refined Petroleum

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Postby Bolovia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:41 am

MIKIA wrote:the reservation for this was made on the 22nd so I think their time has expired so I will make an app for Japan
Nation App:
GENERAL INFORMATION:
NS Name: Mikia
Official Nation Name:The Republic of Japan
Nation short Name:Japan
Territory:Japan's current territory
Population:127,103,388
Government Style:Constitutional Monarchy with an Emperor
Capitol: Tokyo
Head of State:Emperor Akihito
Head of Government:Prime Minister Norio Oda
State Religion:Shinto
Legislature type(ie Bicameral Tricameral etc): Bicameral
Main Political Party(s):the Japanese Labor Party, The Japanese Nationalist Party, The Monarchy party, The People's party of Japan
Political beliefs:With the new Nationalist leaders in parliament The gov't of Japan is anti-monarchy, anti-terror, and in favor of strengthening Japan against threats like China
Political Agenda and/or goals: defeat ISIS, promote Japanese power, curve China's expansionary principles, end the monarchy, and push the people's party of Japan out of the country

MILITARY INFORMATION:
Foreign Policy:go in with diplomacy to come to an agreement, will use it's currency to push it's objectives.
Potential Allies:U.S., U.K., Canada, France, Germany, Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Russia???, China???
Potential Enemies:China, Russia, ISIS
Military Branch names:Japan Ground Self-Defense Force, Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, Japan Air Self-Defense Force, Japanese special forces
Size of each military branch ( Both active and reserves, use Global Firepower as reference)
Total Active:247,173
Total Reserve:57,900
Grand Total:305,073
Type(s) of Automatic Rifle:FN SCAR, Heckler & Koch G36, Howa Type 64, Howa Type 89, HK417, M4 carbine
Type(s) of Pistol:SCK/Minebea 9mm Pistol, Minebea 9mm Machine Pistol, H&K USP, H&K MP7
Number and Type(S) of MBT: 53 Type 10 Main Battle Tank, 341 Type 90 Main Battle Tank, 280 Type 74 Main Battle Tank
Number and Type(s) of IFV:68 Type 89 Infantry Fighting Vehicle,
Number of MRLS's: 99
Number of Towed Artillery:910
Number of APC's:703
-----------------------------------------
Number and Type(s) of Fighter Jets: 70 F-4EJ, 74 F-15J/DJ, 69 F-2, 77 F-35A
Number and Type(s) of Bombers:none (that I can find)
Number and Type(s) of Cargo Planes: 229 C-5 Galaxy, 270 A330 MRTT, and 30 An-22 Antei
Number and Type(s) of Attack Helicopters:13 Boeing AH-64 Apache, 88 Bell AH-1 Cobra,
Number and Type(s) of Transport Helicopters:17 Bell V-22B Osprey, 58 Boeing CH-47 Chinook, 34 UH-60 Black Hawk
Number and Type(s) of UAV's:1 Boeing Insitu ScanEagle
Total # of Aircraft:1,613
------------------------------------------
Number and Type(s) of Aircraft Carriers:1 JDS Izumo (DDH-183) Helicopter Destroyer , and 1 JDS Ise (DDH-182)
Number and Type(s) of Destroyer: 8 Takanami-class, 7 Murasame-class, 10 Asagiri-class, 6 Hatsuyuki-class,
Number and Type(s) of Frigates:0
Number and Type(s) of Missile Cruisers:8 Atago-class, 4 Kongō-class
Number and Type(s) of Submarines:10 Oyashio-class, 6 Sōryū-class
Number and Type(s) of LST or LPD: 3 Ōsumi-class
Total # of Ships:96
-----------------------------------------
Number of Nuclear Weapons: 0
Number of Biological Weapons:0
Number of Chemical Weapons:0

ECONOMIC SECTION:
Economy : Capitalist
GDP:5.12 Trillion USD
Main Imports: Crude Petroleum, Petroleum Gas, Refined Petroleum,Coal Briquettes, Computers,Packaged Medicaments, Iron Ore, Broadcasting Equipment,and Copper Ore
Main Exports:Cars, Vehicle Parts, Integrated Circuits, Industrial Printers, Machinery Having Individual Functions, Large Construction Vehicles, Delivery Trucks, and Refined Petroleum

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Postby The New Lowlands » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:41 am

When did Japan become a republic…?

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Postby Thompson island » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:42 am

Benian Republic wrote:
Ecrotia wrote:No, more importantly though, are you even going to post on the IC?

Yeah in the hour I was very sick last night that's why I didn't last night.

Ireland are we going through with the plan we discussed?

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Postby Thompson island » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:44 am

The New Lowlands wrote:When did Japan become a republic…?

Japan has had a parliament since like the 1890's or something like that, it was given extra powers after WW2 per the orders of the USA, along with the office of President and Prime minister

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Postby The New Lowlands » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:48 am

Thompson island wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:When did Japan become a republic…?

Japan has had a parliament since like the 1890's or something like that, it was given extra powers after WW2 per the orders of the USA, along with the office of President and Prime minister

Not the same thing.

Japan today is still a monarchy.

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Postby Thompson island » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:50 am

The New Lowlands wrote:
Thompson island wrote:Japan has had a parliament since like the 1890's or something like that, it was given extra powers after WW2 per the orders of the USA, along with the office of President and Prime minister

Not the same thing.

Japan today is still a monarchy.


yes but the emperor does jack sh!t pretty much. just a figurehead

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