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Pre-War Poll: CIS vs. NATO who has the initial upperhand? NO.1 of 3

Poll ended at Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:15 pm

NATO, Coalition of the Free World!
25
57%
CIS, Alliance of Order and Prosperity!
12
27%
Unsure, could go either way initially.
2
5%
Both alliances are going to hell in the initial run.
5
11%
 
Total votes : 44

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Kiljaeden
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Postby Kiljaeden » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:59 am

Armeia wrote:
Ecrotia wrote:How? The next Ukrainian election isn't till 2019 and they had one in 2014

Huh, I messed up. I'll probably edit my post to have a emergency election from the Kiev/Donetsk unrest.


But pro Russia, seriously?

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Northern United Islands
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Postby Northern United Islands » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:00 am

New Republika Srpska wrote:
Northern United Islands wrote:Sry I'm not fallowing so the want to help pro Russian militant groups but not Russia take over ukraine

You ever heard of the "Serbian-Russian Orthodox Brotherhood"? Because Chetniks are helping Russians in Eastern Ukraine to fight off the Ukrainians..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks# ... nd_Ukraine

It sounds like the guy controlling ukrain is going to make being them irelivent by changing things so mybe I should be the Kurdish peshmerga

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New Republika Srpska
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Postby New Republika Srpska » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:02 am

Northern United Islands wrote:
New Republika Srpska wrote:You ever heard of the "Serbian-Russian Orthodox Brotherhood"? Because Chetniks are helping Russians in Eastern Ukraine to fight off the Ukrainians..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks# ... nd_Ukraine

It sounds like the guy controlling ukrain is going to make being them irelivent by changing things so mybe I should be the Kurdish peshmerga

Your grammar...
It hurts...

(No offense doe)
Choose whatever you want. There is a lot of info about the equipment of the Kurdish Peshmerga.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshmerga
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Anti: Ukraine, NATO, USA, Albania, Turkey, Hungary, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Independent Kosovo, UK, Palestine, Yemen, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, FSA


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Armeia
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Postby Armeia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:04 am

Kiljaeden wrote:
Armeia wrote:Huh, I messed up. I'll probably edit my post to have a emergency election from the Kiev/Donetsk unrest.


But pro Russia, seriously?

Right now the government is leaning towards isolationism though, not true Pro Russian but anti-EU
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Northern United Islands
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Postby Northern United Islands » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:05 am

New Republika Srpska wrote:
Northern United Islands wrote:It sounds like the guy controlling ukrain is going to make being them irelivent by changing things so mybe I should be the Kurdish peshmerga

Your grammar...
It hurts...

(No offense doe)
Choose whatever you want. There is a lot of info about the equipment of the Kurdish Peshmerga.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshmerga
would the peshermerga be a rebel group or country Idk witch form to fill out and thank u for helping me

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Armeia
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Postby Armeia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:06 am

Northern United Islands wrote:
New Republika Srpska wrote:You ever heard of the "Serbian-Russian Orthodox Brotherhood"? Because Chetniks are helping Russians in Eastern Ukraine to fight off the Ukrainians..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks# ... nd_Ukraine

It sounds like the guy controlling ukrain is going to make being them irelivent by changing things so mybe I should be the Kurdish peshmerga

Heh, we were going to become non relevant if we went to the EU and got invaded, but Ukraine has a high chance at becoming relevant as a CIS country.
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New Republika Srpska
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Postby New Republika Srpska » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:06 am

Northern United Islands wrote:
New Republika Srpska wrote:Your grammar...
It hurts...

(No offense doe)
Choose whatever you want. There is a lot of info about the equipment of the Kurdish Peshmerga.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshmerga
would the peshermerga be a rebel group or country Idk witch form to fill out and thank u for helping me

Rebel group, I guess.
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Neutral: LGBT Rights, Egypt, Morocco, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Iran, Sweden
Anti: Ukraine, NATO, USA, Albania, Turkey, Hungary, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Independent Kosovo, UK, Palestine, Yemen, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, FSA


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Greater Mobile
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Postby Greater Mobile » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:07 am

New Republika Srpska wrote:\
Greater Mobile wrote:
Abkhazia and South Ossetia are Georgian! Dang Ruskies are just having dreams of a revived Soviet state. Not on my watch, Putin.

Tell that the Russian troops stationed in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. They're Russian occupied areas.


Oh, I will. It is the official position of Georgia that Russian troops are illegally occupying Georgian land, and we will be seeking out an audience with Vladimir Putin in order to negotiate the immediate withdrawal from our nation.
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Soviet Chernarus
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:08 am

Armeia wrote:
Northern United Islands wrote:It sounds like the guy controlling ukrain is going to make being them irelivent by changing things so mybe I should be the Kurdish peshmerga

Heh, we were going to become non relevant if we went to the EU and got invaded, but Ukraine has a high chance at becoming relevant as a CIS country.

You're going to very relevant because NATO is going to come to your defence :)
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New Republika Srpska
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Postby New Republika Srpska » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:09 am

Greater Mobile wrote:
New Republika Srpska wrote:\

Tell that the Russian troops stationed in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. They're Russian occupied areas.


Oh, I will. It is the official position of Georgia that Russian troops are illegally occupying Georgian land, and we will be seeking out an audience with Vladimir Putin in order to negotiate the immediate withdrawal from our nation.

GOD DAMN YOU DIPLOMACY.
This nation does not reflect off my real life views.
Proud Member Of The United Socialist Nations!
KOSOVO JE SRBIJA!.Albania's Nightmare.False Propaganda and Lies to Destroy Serbs.
Pro: Russia, Donetsk, Serbia, Greece, Romania, China, India, Armenia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Ireland, IRA, Scottish Independence, Lugansk, North Korea, Italy, Canada, Israel, DR Congo, Spain, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, France, Switzerland, Kurdistan, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, South Africa, Angola, Algeria, Syria
Neutral: LGBT Rights, Egypt, Morocco, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Iran, Sweden
Anti: Ukraine, NATO, USA, Albania, Turkey, Hungary, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Independent Kosovo, UK, Palestine, Yemen, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, FSA


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Kiljaeden
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Postby Kiljaeden » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:09 am

Armeia wrote:
Kiljaeden wrote:
But pro Russia, seriously?

Right now the government is leaning towards isolationism though, not true Pro Russian but anti-EU


You'll probably need NATO/EU to regain the Crimea and have true sovereignty. Ukraine seems unlikely to walk down this road alone since there'll be domestic and external pressure to join either side.

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The New Greek Republic
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Postby The New Greek Republic » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:16 am

Anybody want to work out a map?
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Armeia
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Postby Armeia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:18 am

Kiljaeden wrote:
Armeia wrote:Right now the government is leaning towards isolationism though, not true Pro Russian but anti-EU


You'll probably need NATO/EU to regain the Crimea and have true sovereignty. Ukraine seems unlikely to walk down this road alone since there'll be domestic and external pressure to join either side.

Well if a war ever breaks out we'll be on the Moscow Pact side so I don't think we have to worry about Crimea too much. Plus we might be arming the rest of the alliance soon through Praeter.
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The New Greek Republic
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Postby The New Greek Republic » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:22 am

Armeia wrote:Well if a war ever breaks out we'll be on the Moscow Pact side so I don't think we have to worry about Crimea too much. Plus we might be arming the rest of the alliance soon through Praeter.


*cuts to Kim Jong-un shooting water gun*
NS' resident KNICKS Fan
Same me, now with tattoos.
meh, just call me Greeky because nobody really wants to say "The New Greek Republic..."
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------,`=.-o---`\\___
-----/---o\\--(0-----O
----/-o----\\---- ___/
----|----O--|-----\\)
---`,o---_/--o .--`------
-----`"`;-O--(---------
--------/--.--""``\\\\----
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---(---o---.-`--
__`.____/___/_/
What's red and bad for your teeth?

A brick.
Sanabel wrote: I control the Holy See with its transvestite pope who identifies as an ogre.

Just warning you, your ears will have orgasms.

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Soviet Chernarus
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:26 am

The New Greek Republic wrote:
Armeia wrote:Well if a war ever breaks out we'll be on the Moscow Pact side so I don't think we have to worry about Crimea too much. Plus we might be arming the rest of the alliance soon through Praeter.


*cuts to Kim Jong-un shooting water gun*

*cuts to Poland building a Death Star and destroying the Earth whilst laughing maniacally*
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Kiljaeden
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Postby Kiljaeden » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:27 am

Armeia wrote:
Kiljaeden wrote:
You'll probably need NATO/EU to regain the Crimea and have true sovereignty. Ukraine seems unlikely to walk down this road alone since there'll be domestic and external pressure to join either side.

Well if a war ever breaks out we'll be on the Moscow Pact side so I don't think we have to worry about Crimea too much. Plus we might be arming the rest of the alliance soon through Praeter.


Only guy who has any weight in the 'Moscow Pact' is Russia - back to square one.

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The New Greek Republic
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Postby The New Greek Republic » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:33 am

Kiljaeden wrote:
Only guy who has any weight in the 'Moscow Pact' is Russia - back to square one.


NORTH KOREA STRONK

Also just seen where Poland is in negotiations with the U.S for weapons, finally, I can condemn the United States for no reason :p
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Same me, now with tattoos.
meh, just call me Greeky because nobody really wants to say "The New Greek Republic..."
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-----/---o\\--(0-----O
----/-o----\\---- ___/
----|----O--|-----\\)
---`,o---_/--o .--`------
-----`"`;-O--(---------
--------/--.--""``\\\\----
------.`-O------.\\,,||
----.`------""`|-`""`----
|\\-/--O--o---__|------
-\\|-o--.-`----`\\---
--\\-_-o---O----|
---(---o---.-`--
__`.____/___/_/
What's red and bad for your teeth?

A brick.
Sanabel wrote: I control the Holy See with its transvestite pope who identifies as an ogre.

Just warning you, your ears will have orgasms.

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Soviet Chernarus
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:34 am

The New Greek Republic wrote:
Kiljaeden wrote:
Only guy who has any weight in the 'Moscow Pact' is Russia - back to square one.


NORTH KOREA STRONK

Also just seen where Poland is in negotiations with the U.S for weapons, finally, I can condemn the United States for no reason :p

Well, that's what Poland is doing IRL

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/mili ... /70204946/
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Postby Bolovia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:35 am

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
Armeia wrote:Heh, we were going to become non relevant if we went to the EU and got invaded, but Ukraine has a high chance at becoming relevant as a CIS country.

You're going to very relevant because NATO is going to come to your defence :)

If the new Salenko guy is pro-Moscow-esque then there is no need for invasion, thus the massive troop deployments along the border will either be switched to Poland or Georgia. This should be fun.

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Soviet Chernarus
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:36 am

Also, I am very confused about what Sweden's doing...
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Armeia
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Postby Armeia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:37 am

Bolovia wrote:
Soviet Chernarus wrote:You're going to very relevant because NATO is going to come to your defence :)

If the new Salenko guy is pro-Moscow-esque then there is no need for invasion, thus the massive troop deployments along the border will either be switched to Poland or Georgia. This should be fun.

He views Russia as the lesser of two evils, he's against the EU
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Greater Mobile
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Postby Greater Mobile » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:39 am

Bolovia wrote:
Soviet Chernarus wrote:You're going to very relevant because NATO is going to come to your defence :)

If the new Salenko guy is pro-Moscow-esque then there is no need for invasion, thus the massive troop deployments along the border will either be switched to Poland or Georgia. This should be fun.


Would you accept an invitation of talks with Georgian officials with American mediators?
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Ecrotia
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Postby Ecrotia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:47 am

Armeia wrote:
Bolovia wrote:If the new Salenko guy is pro-Moscow-esque then there is no need for invasion, thus the massive troop deployments along the border will either be switched to Poland or Georgia. This should be fun.

He views Russia as the lesser of two evils, he's against the EU

But how would just over a year suddenly cause Ukraine to be anti-EU? If anything, the Azov Battalion would've gained more seats in the parliament because they're the only group gaining ground

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Armeia
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Postby Armeia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:49 am

Ecrotia wrote:
Armeia wrote:He views Russia as the lesser of two evils, he's against the EU

But how would just over a year suddenly cause Ukraine to be anti-EU? If anything, the Azov Battalion would've gained more seats in the parliament because they're the only group gaining ground

The whole country isn't, mainly the UPF
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Ecrotia
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Postby Ecrotia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:51 am

Armeia wrote:
Ecrotia wrote:But how would just over a year suddenly cause Ukraine to be anti-EU? If anything, the Azov Battalion would've gained more seats in the parliament because they're the only group gaining ground

The whole country isn't, mainly the UPF

But how did the UPF get into power then? Most Ukrainians wouldn't vote for a party where the leader if rumoured to have helped the Russians in Crimea

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