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Who would win a battle on Endor between the Rebel Alliance and Nod?

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Postby Imperial--japan » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:07 pm

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Postby Segmentia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:08 pm

Well if the CIS is going to activate that many old ships, I think I'm going to move along Thrawn's arrival.
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Postby Hangar 18 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:09 pm

Segmentia wrote:Well if the CIS is going to activate that many old ships, I think I'm going to move along Thrawn's arrival.

Meta as fuck.
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Postby Segmentia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:11 pm

Hangar 18 wrote:
Segmentia wrote:Well if the CIS is going to activate that many old ships, I think I'm going to move along Thrawn's arrival.

Meta as fuck.


And reactivating 'hundreds of thousands' of ships isn't? Those fleets would have been picked apart for their material.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:11 pm

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Hangar 18 wrote:They actually left most of it alone, and figured that with the droids deactivated, it wouldn't really matter. Believe it or not, the ships going to Geonosis right now isn't even a FRACTION of the former CIS fleet. At the battle of Coruscant, there were thousands of frigates, destroyers and dreadnoughts. And the hundred thousands of the vessels are just like, Vulture Droids and shit like that.

This is correct. At the height of their power, the CIS had hundreds of thousands of ships.


Oh I'm fully aware of fleet sizes. I'm just surprised they weren't retrofitted or had the living daylights looted out of them. Or just fell apart/got sucked into gravity wells, depending on where they were deactivated.
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Postby Hangar 18 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:14 pm

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Hangar 18 wrote:Meta as fuck.


And reactivating 'hundreds of thousands' of ships isn't? Those fleets would have been picked apart for their material.

Of those ships, most are Vulture Droids and the likes. There were hundreds of MILLIONS of those. When I say hundreds of thousands of ships, I'm not referring to frigates and dreadnoughts. And I don't think you know what "meta" means.

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The Orson Empire wrote:This is correct. At the height of their power, the CIS had hundreds of thousands of ships.


Oh I'm fully aware of fleet sizes. I'm just surprised they weren't retrofitted or had the living daylights looted out of them. Or just fell apart/got sucked into gravity wells, depending on where they were deactivated.


A majority of them likely were. But even a fraction of the hundreds of millions of fighters that fought in the Clone Wars is a massive amount.
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Postby Segmentia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:18 pm

No, I understand what it means. But consider this. All of a sudden a resurgent CIS shows up with a pretty large fleet and army. The Empire is in complete disarray. If you were Thrawn, who had every intention of restoring the Empire (With differences) what do you do? Sit around and wait for that resurgent CIS to simply grow more powerful and whittle away at the galaxy and entrench? Or do you pack up what you're doing, come back, sort out the elements of the Empire worth saving, and proceed to defend said Empire?

It's really not a hard choice to make.
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Postby Hangar 18 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:21 pm

Segmentia wrote:No, I understand what it means. But consider this. All of a sudden a resurgent CIS shows up with a pretty large fleet and army. The Empire is in complete disarray. If you were Thrawn, who had every intention of restoring the Empire (With differences) what do you do? Sit around and wait for that resurgent CIS to simply grow more powerful and whittle away at the galaxy and entrench? Or do you pack up what you're doing, come back, sort out the elements of the Empire worth saving, and proceed to defend said Empire?

It's really not a hard choice to make.

Should be an interesting series of battles. But, he shouldn't just show up to Geonosis or Mustafar. The full size of the CIS fleet is still unknown, as the Empire has only seen one ship. And even the force going to Geonosis is still not the full power of the CIS fleet. It would be sometime before word spreads.
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Postby New Neros » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:22 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:This is correct. At the height of their power, the CIS had hundreds of thousands of ships.


Oh I'm fully aware of fleet sizes. I'm just surprised they weren't retrofitted or had the living daylights looted out of them. Or just fell apart/got sucked into gravity wells, depending on where they were deactivated.


I'd say they were held on Confederate Shipyards, which due to the Clone Wars, would be fairly hidden or protected to some extent.

Like I had said previously, a lot of old Confederates went to the Alliance, and most likely, brought their ships and material with them. However, the Empire had so much of a military build up and war machine that it would be absolutely suicidal for a Clone Wars-era armada to make any major engagement. But now that they're fractured and infighting is rampant as warlordism takes effect, it would actually put the Confederates on a better footing than what it currently is. Enough to keep afloat and work on re-establishing itself. Fight off an entire Star Destroyer protected Battle Fleet? Hardly - no matter what Rob/Hangar says about the Ion Cannon.

I'm still of the opinion that the Imperials and the Chiss should be one faction, or at least, the Chiss be a competing faction among the Moffs. They seem about the weakest by a large margin, even with their stealth and such.
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Postby Segmentia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:23 pm

Hangar 18 wrote:
Segmentia wrote:No, I understand what it means. But consider this. All of a sudden a resurgent CIS shows up with a pretty large fleet and army. The Empire is in complete disarray. If you were Thrawn, who had every intention of restoring the Empire (With differences) what do you do? Sit around and wait for that resurgent CIS to simply grow more powerful and whittle away at the galaxy and entrench? Or do you pack up what you're doing, come back, sort out the elements of the Empire worth saving, and proceed to defend said Empire?

It's really not a hard choice to make.

Should be an interesting series of battles. But, he shouldn't just show up to Geonosis or Mustafar. The full size of the CIS fleet is still unknown, as the Empire has only seen one ship. And even the force going to Geonosis is still not the full power of the CIS fleet. It would be sometime before word spreads.


Oh, he's not going to show up at one of the battles. He needs to gather support first. He doesn't have a massive fleet or anything under his command right off the bat. Maybe a few Star Destroyers. The biggest assets he has now is a Darth who has decided to stick around, and the Noghri.
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Postby Hangar 18 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:25 pm

Segmentia wrote:
Hangar 18 wrote:Should be an interesting series of battles. But, he shouldn't just show up to Geonosis or Mustafar. The full size of the CIS fleet is still unknown, as the Empire has only seen one ship. And even the force going to Geonosis is still not the full power of the CIS fleet. It would be sometime before word spreads.


Oh, he's not going to show up at one of the battles. He needs to gather support first. He doesn't have a massive fleet or anything under his command right off the bat. Maybe a few Star Destroyers. The biggest assets he has now is a Darth who has decided to stick around, and the Noghri.

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Postby New Neros » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:25 pm

Segmentia wrote:No, I understand what it means. But consider this. All of a sudden a resurgent CIS shows up with a pretty large fleet and army. The Empire is in complete disarray. If you were Thrawn, who had every intention of restoring the Empire (With differences) what do you do? Sit around and wait for that resurgent CIS to simply grow more powerful and whittle away at the galaxy and entrench? Or do you pack up what you're doing, come back, sort out the elements of the Empire worth saving, and proceed to defend said Empire?

It's really not a hard choice to make.

HAHAHAH

Compare this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy

To this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Confederate_Navy

Imperials have better tech, more ships, more capital ships, more production ability, more R&D, more skilled commanders and pilots, more experience, and on and on....even while fractured, and Imperial Fleet is no joke, even to a major Confederate Fleet.

You are both underestimating the sheer size and might of the Empire and overestimating the size and power of the Confederate Navy.
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Postby The NAR » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:28 pm

Imperial--japan wrote:
Hangar 18 wrote:Image

I really want him to be joking.

Never caught that piece of information
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Postby Segmentia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:29 pm

New Neros wrote:
Segmentia wrote:No, I understand what it means. But consider this. All of a sudden a resurgent CIS shows up with a pretty large fleet and army. The Empire is in complete disarray. If you were Thrawn, who had every intention of restoring the Empire (With differences) what do you do? Sit around and wait for that resurgent CIS to simply grow more powerful and whittle away at the galaxy and entrench? Or do you pack up what you're doing, come back, sort out the elements of the Empire worth saving, and proceed to defend said Empire?

It's really not a hard choice to make.

HAHAHAH

Compare this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy

To this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Confederate_Navy

Imperials have better tech, more ships, more capital ships, more production ability, more R&D, more skilled commanders and pilots, more experience, and on and on....even while fractured, and Imperial Fleet is no joke, even to a major Confederate Fleet.

You are both underestimating the sheer size and might of the Empire and overestimating the size and power of the Confederate Navy.


I'm fully aware, actually.

But again, Thrawn want's to reform a decently intact Empire, and between the splintering of the Empire, and the future splintering of it still, the CIS is just another outside force that could cause problems, especially if say some Imperial factions want to join them. Not saying it's likely, but it's possible. And of course another outside threat is just one more thing Thrawn can use to unify more splinter factions.
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Postby New Neros » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:30 pm

Segmentia wrote:
Hangar 18 wrote:Should be an interesting series of battles. But, he shouldn't just show up to Geonosis or Mustafar. The full size of the CIS fleet is still unknown, as the Empire has only seen one ship. And even the force going to Geonosis is still not the full power of the CIS fleet. It would be sometime before word spreads.


Oh, he's not going to show up at one of the battles. He needs to gather support first. He doesn't have a massive fleet or anything under his command right off the bat. Maybe a few Star Destroyers. The biggest assets he has now is a Darth who has decided to stick around, and the Noghri.

But it's still meta as fuck. He shows up because you personally feel like the Confederates are too powerful in the OOC. ICly, he shouldn't really care nor be concerned with a rogue Kaleesh commander and a hidden AI scheming around in the Outer Rim. He should grow interested after Mustafar, then begin moving into place after whatever major battle the CIS commits to after Mustafar. Not just "Hmm, I'm Thrawn, I better go fucking roflstomp Confederates because I'm God Emperor Thrawn, Destroyer of Worlds, Wrecker of You."

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Never caught that piece of information


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I'll get the bio done, and I'll find a sample, I haven't RPed for months though, time has been really limited.
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Postby Hangar 18 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:32 pm

New Neros wrote:
Segmentia wrote:No, I understand what it means. But consider this. All of a sudden a resurgent CIS shows up with a pretty large fleet and army. The Empire is in complete disarray. If you were Thrawn, who had every intention of restoring the Empire (With differences) what do you do? Sit around and wait for that resurgent CIS to simply grow more powerful and whittle away at the galaxy and entrench? Or do you pack up what you're doing, come back, sort out the elements of the Empire worth saving, and proceed to defend said Empire?

It's really not a hard choice to make.

HAHAHAH

Compare this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy

To this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Confederate_Navy

Imperials have better tech, more ships, more capital ships, more production ability, more R&D, more skilled commanders and pilots, more experience, and on and on....even while fractured, and Imperial Fleet is no joke, even to a major Confederate Fleet.

You are both underestimating the sheer size and might of the Empire and overestimating the size and power of the Confederate Navy.

I underestimate nothing. And the tech isn't that much better

And more skilled commanders? You underestimate the Kaleesh. At this point, they are fractured into, I believe, at least three subfactions, and are the weakest they have ever been.
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Postby The NAR » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:33 pm

So he's on some planet fighting people. Can he still be RP'd
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Postby Segmentia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:34 pm

New Neros wrote:But it's still meta as fuck. He shows up because you personally feel like the Confederates are too powerful in the OOC. ICly, he shouldn't really care nor be concerned with a rogue Kaleesh commander and a hidden AI scheming around in the Outer Rim. He should grow interested after Mustafar, then begin moving into place after whatever major battle the CIS commits to after Mustafar. Not just "Hmm, I'm Thrawn, I better go fucking roflstomp Confederates because I'm God Emperor Thrawn, Destroyer of Worlds, Wrecker of You."



I never even said he was coming back right this instant, did I? I simply said I was going to speed up his arrival from 8ABY to some time more recent.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth though, A+
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:35 pm

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Postby New Neros » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:37 pm

Segmentia wrote:
New Neros wrote:HAHAHAH

Compare this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy

To this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Confederate_Navy

Imperials have better tech, more ships, more capital ships, more production ability, more R&D, more skilled commanders and pilots, more experience, and on and on....even while fractured, and Imperial Fleet is no joke, even to a major Confederate Fleet.

You are both underestimating the sheer size and might of the Empire and overestimating the size and power of the Confederate Navy.


I'm fully aware, actually.

But again, Thrawn want's to reform a decently intact Empire, and between the splintering of the Empire, and the future splintering of it still, the CIS is just another outside force that could cause problems, especially if say some Imperial factions want to join them. Not saying it's likely, but it's possible. And of course another outside threat is just one more thing Thrawn can use to unify more splinter factions.


No, you're not, or else you wouldn't resort to Meta-Gaming to force Thrawn in so we all get stomped.

Here's the main thing Thrawn has going against him: The Moffs. They will not relinquish command to him, he's been in the Unknown Regions forming the Empire of the Hand for many years and is a non-Human. They don't trust him and will not until he proves himself. Palpatine knew he was great, but the other Moffs did not care for him at all. He was able to return and take control of the Imperial Remnant because the Moff's Warlordism killed off all major opposition to his assumption of Grand Admiralship. Thrawn is just another warlord trying to gain control the Empire - which is why the Chiss do not need to be their own faction.

Now, if he is aligned against the Rebellion (as he should), that's cool, but so far, the Confederates are off the radar entirely. Another issue is that he didn't return from the Unknown Sectors until 8 years after Yavin, and we're only 4 years after it.
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Postby Hangar 18 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:38 pm

Segmentia wrote:
New Neros wrote:But it's still meta as fuck. He shows up because you personally feel like the Confederates are too powerful in the OOC. ICly, he shouldn't really care nor be concerned with a rogue Kaleesh commander and a hidden AI scheming around in the Outer Rim. He should grow interested after Mustafar, then begin moving into place after whatever major battle the CIS commits to after Mustafar. Not just "Hmm, I'm Thrawn, I better go fucking roflstomp Confederates because I'm God Emperor Thrawn, Destroyer of Worlds, Wrecker of You."



I never even said he was coming back right this instant, did I? I simply said I was going to speed up his arrival from 8ABY to some time more recent.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth though, A+

Please, show some respect to your Co-Ops.

Again, I'm not sure you know what "meta" means.
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G-Tech Corporation wrote:Amusingly, Jedi now exist with powers from the Matrix.

Umm... what the fuck. It's happened in so many Star Wars books and movies
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:40 pm

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Umm... what the fuck. It's happened in so many Star Wars books and movies


Stopping blaster shots mid-air? I don't recall that power.
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Postby Segmentia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:41 pm

And like I said, he is going to be busy building support before he makes any moves.

Segmentia wrote:Oh, he's not going to show up at one of the battles. He needs to gather support first. He doesn't have a massive fleet or anything under his command right off the bat. Maybe a few Star Destroyers. The biggest assets he has now is a Darth who has decided to stick around, and the Noghri.
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