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Postby Charlia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:00 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Charlia wrote:Oh my Gelth! :lol2:
I'm sorry, but that just made me laugh. Apparently my schoolmates are more accepting of my quirks than yours are. ;)
But then, I suppose it's to be expected. It's a Christian school, after all. I get a lot of benefits from that.
But I'm sorry you got punched in the face. :(


Well, it's also partially my fault, I love to annoy people. So I probably deserved it. Of course, I never saw it coming. One moment, I was enjoying the wonderful hallway, the next moment I was punched in the face and thrown in the nearby wall. It wasn't that bad, but I luckily skipped over my next class, P.E.

My school isn't, or wasn't that bad considering that I'm now in highschool. During those eight years, I only got punched twice, and I got into a fight only one time. It was a normal, state-owned school.

I'm still not entirely sure why your friend would punch you in the face for pacing...

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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:02 am

Charlia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
Well, it's also partially my fault, I love to annoy people. So I probably deserved it. Of course, I never saw it coming. One moment, I was enjoying the wonderful hallway, the next moment I was punched in the face and thrown in the nearby wall. It wasn't that bad, but I luckily skipped over my next class, P.E.

My school isn't, or wasn't that bad considering that I'm now in highschool. During those eight years, I only got punched twice, and I got into a fight only one time. It was a normal, state-owned school.

I'm still not entirely sure why your friend would punch you in the face for pacing...


How should I say. I really annoyed him in the class before that, and he just seized the opportunity, or something like that.
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Postby Charlia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:04 am

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Charlia wrote:I'm still not entirely sure why your friend would punch you in the face for pacing...


How should I say. I really annoyed him in the class before that, and he just seized the opportunity. Don't ask me exactly why, even today, I don't know.

O-kay...

On another note, a new classmate called me the next Kim Jong-Un. Which was kind of amusing.
And then finished with 'Or the next Adolf Hitler'.

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Postby Castle Crashers » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:05 am

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Charlia wrote:I'm still not entirely sure why your friend would punch you in the face for pacing...


How should I say. I really annoyed him in the class before that, and he just seized the opportunity. Don't ask me exactly why, even today, I don't know.


I'll just let you know that if I was present for this situation I would've let out a battlecry (which is more of a screech xD) and I would've attempted to tackle said classmate, but it probably wouldn't have worked saying that I'm short and light.
But I would've tried! :p
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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:09 am

Charlia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
How should I say. I really annoyed him in the class before that, and he just seized the opportunity. Don't ask me exactly why, even today, I don't know.

O-kay...

On another note, a new classmate called me the next Kim Jong-Un. Which was kind of amusing.
And then finished with 'Or the next Adolf Hitler'.

The Mareșal was better the both of them.

But why did he called you like that? Were you talking about North Korea or something?
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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:11 am

Castle Crashers wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
How should I say. I really annoyed him in the class before that, and he just seized the opportunity. Don't ask me exactly why, even today, I don't know.


I'll just let you know that if I was present for this situation I would've let out a battlecry (which is more of a screech xD) and I would've attempted to tackle said classmate, but it probably wouldn't have worked saying that I'm short and light.
But I would've tried! :p


I'm usually a disaster at fighting. I'm tall, yes, but I'm not exactly muscular, I'm actually really weak. So I usually try to stay out of fights. Also, we were alone on that hallway, the fight ended when I violently crushed into the wall.

If I would have seen something like that, I would have probably also tried to help the one that was beaten, but by using a chair or something.
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Postby Charlia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:13 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Charlia wrote:O-kay...

On another note, a new classmate called me the next Kim Jong-Un. Which was kind of amusing.
And then finished with 'Or the next Adolf Hitler'.

The Mareșal was better the both of them.

But why did he called you like that? Were you talking about North Korea or something?

It was that little 'taking over the world' thing.
Then the friend who commented on my pacing in the first place said 'I amend my earlier statement.' (Statement in question was 'you guys are either going to be best friends, or there's going to be a subtle war for the rest of the school year.') 'There's going to be a war.'

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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:17 am

Charlia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:The Mareșal was better the both of them.

But why did he called you like that? Were you talking about North Korea or something?

It was that little 'taking over the world' thing.
Then the friend who commented on my pacing in the first place said 'I amend my earlier statement.' (Statement in question was 'you guys are either going to be best friends, or there's going to be a subtle war for the rest of the school year.') 'There's going to be a war.'


Taking over the world? I'm currently planning to take over my country, the rest of the world can wait. Good luck with your war.

Considering how I love to annoy people, I'm probably going to upset quite a lot of my future highschool colleagues. So, I will have to be ready for a full-out war.
I'm a Romanian, a vampire, an anime enthusiast and a roleplayer.
Hello there! I am Tracian Empire! You can call me Tracian, Thrace, Thracian, Thracr, Thracc or whatever you want. Really.

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Postby Acadeshia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:26 am

Charlia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:The Mareșal was better the both of them.

But why did he called you like that? Were you talking about North Korea or something?

It was that little 'taking over the world' thing.
Then the friend who commented on my pacing in the first place said 'I amend my earlier statement.' (Statement in question was 'you guys are either going to be best friends, or there's going to be a subtle war for the rest of the school year.') 'There's going to be a war.'

Sounds like most of my relationships. I don't exactly have very popular views, and I don't hesitate to call people on bullshit, so I usually end up fighting with everyone... It's amusing!
"To teach is to touch a life forever."
"If there was ever an evil in this world that good could not defeat, what would you do? Would you stain your hands with evil to defeat that evil? Or would you keep to your own justice, and succumb to that evil?"
"Only those prepared to die, should kill. Only those prepared to sacrifice everything, can expect anything. Only those prepared to lose everything, can achieve anything."

Roleplay:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=334502
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=335385

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Postby Charlia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:29 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Charlia wrote:It was that little 'taking over the world' thing.
Then the friend who commented on my pacing in the first place said 'I amend my earlier statement.' (Statement in question was 'you guys are either going to be best friends, or there's going to be a subtle war for the rest of the school year.') 'There's going to be a war.'


Taking over the world? I'm currently planning to take over my country, the rest of the world can wait. Good luck with your war.

Considering how I love to annoy people, I'm probably going to upset quite a lot of my future highschool colleagues. So, I will have to be ready for a full-out war.

I was voted 'most likely to attempt world domination', so yeah...
But then the friend said 'She's going to win'. I was like 'YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS Especially if it comes down to an insult war.' After which I got another guarantee.
Sherlock has helped my awesome insults arsenal replenish greatly.
'What must it be like in your funny little minds? It must be so boring.'
'I envy you so much. Your mind. It's so placid. Straightforward. Barely used. Mine's like an engine, racing out of control. A rocket, tearing itself to pieces trapped on the launch pad.'

On the other hand, this isn't an insult but it's officially one of my favorite scenes in all of Sherlock.
Lestrade: 'I suppose he likes having the same faces back together. It appeals to his... his...'
Watson: 'Aspergers?'

FAN THEORY CONFIRMED!
Also, as an Aspie, it was a Crowning Moment of Awesome. At least for me.
Acadeshia wrote:
Charlia wrote:It was that little 'taking over the world' thing.
Then the friend who commented on my pacing in the first place said 'I amend my earlier statement.' (Statement in question was 'you guys are either going to be best friends, or there's going to be a subtle war for the rest of the school year.') 'There's going to be a war.'

Sounds like most of my relationships. I don't exactly have very popular views, and I don't hesitate to call people on bullshit, so I usually end up fighting with everyone... It's amusing!

Sometimes my life is awesome that way. I actually enjoy little wars like that, especially what I don't hesitate to call a 'War of the Words'.

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Postby Acadeshia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:33 am

Charlia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
Taking over the world? I'm currently planning to take over my country, the rest of the world can wait. Good luck with your war.

Considering how I love to annoy people, I'm probably going to upset quite a lot of my future highschool colleagues. So, I will have to be ready for a full-out war.

I was voted 'most likely to attempt world domination', so yeah...
But then the friend said 'She's going to win'. I was like 'YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS Especially if it comes down to an insult war.' After which I got another guarantee.
Sherlock has helped my awesome insults arsenal replenish greatly.
'What must it be like in your funny little minds? It must be so boring.'
'I envy you so much. Your mind. It's so placid. Straightforward. Barely used. Mine's like an engine, racing out of control. A rocket, tearing itself to pieces trapped on the launch pad.'

On the other hand, this isn't an insult but it's officially one of my favorite scenes in all of Sherlock.
Lestrade: 'I suppose he likes having the same faces back together. It appeals to his... his...'
Watson: 'Aspergers?'

FAN THEORY CONFIRMED!
Also, as an Aspie, it was a Crowning Moment of Awesome. At least for me.
Acadeshia wrote:Sounds like most of my relationships. I don't exactly have very popular views, and I don't hesitate to call people on bullshit, so I usually end up fighting with everyone... It's amusing!

Sometimes my life is awesome that way. I actually enjoy little wars like that, especially what I don't hesitate to call a 'War of the Words'.

Oh, and you might want to check out "The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes" on Librivox audiobooks. Pretty good.
"To teach is to touch a life forever."
"If there was ever an evil in this world that good could not defeat, what would you do? Would you stain your hands with evil to defeat that evil? Or would you keep to your own justice, and succumb to that evil?"
"Only those prepared to die, should kill. Only those prepared to sacrifice everything, can expect anything. Only those prepared to lose everything, can achieve anything."

Roleplay:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=334502
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=335385

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Postby Charlia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:42 am

Acadeshia wrote:
Charlia wrote:I was voted 'most likely to attempt world domination', so yeah...
But then the friend said 'She's going to win'. I was like 'YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS Especially if it comes down to an insult war.' After which I got another guarantee.
Sherlock has helped my awesome insults arsenal replenish greatly.
'What must it be like in your funny little minds? It must be so boring.'
'I envy you so much. Your mind. It's so placid. Straightforward. Barely used. Mine's like an engine, racing out of control. A rocket, tearing itself to pieces trapped on the launch pad.'

On the other hand, this isn't an insult but it's officially one of my favorite scenes in all of Sherlock.
Lestrade: 'I suppose he likes having the same faces back together. It appeals to his... his...'
Watson: 'Aspergers?'

FAN THEORY CONFIRMED!
Also, as an Aspie, it was a Crowning Moment of Awesome. At least for me.

Sometimes my life is awesome that way. I actually enjoy little wars like that, especially what I don't hesitate to call a 'War of the Words'.

Oh, and you might want to check out "The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes" on Librivox audiobooks. Pretty good.

I shall remember this! Books are good enough on paper, but if you can get someone with a good voice on them...

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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:45 am

Charlia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
Taking over the world? I'm currently planning to take over my country, the rest of the world can wait. Good luck with your war.

Considering how I love to annoy people, I'm probably going to upset quite a lot of my future highschool colleagues. So, I will have to be ready for a full-out war.

I was voted 'most likely to attempt world domination', so yeah...
But then the friend said 'She's going to win'. I was like 'YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS Especially if it comes down to an insult war.' After which I got another guarantee.
Sherlock has helped my awesome insults arsenal replenish greatly.
'What must it be like in your funny little minds? It must be so boring.'
'I envy you so much. Your mind. It's so placid. Straightforward. Barely used. Mine's like an engine, racing out of control. A rocket, tearing itself to pieces trapped on the launch pad.'

On the other hand, this isn't an insult but it's officially one of my favorite scenes in all of Sherlock.
Lestrade: 'I suppose he likes having the same faces back together. It appeals to his... his...'
Watson: 'Aspergers?'

FAN THEORY CONFIRMED!
Also, as an Aspie, it was a Crowning Moment of Awesome. At least for me.
Acadeshia wrote:Sounds like most of my relationships. I don't exactly have very popular views, and I don't hesitate to call people on bullshit, so I usually end up fighting with everyone... It's amusing!

Sometimes my life is awesome that way. I actually enjoy little wars like that, especially what I don't hesitate to call a 'War of the Words'.


Sherlock? Nice. I only saw a couple of episodes, but it's on my list of series I want to watch when I have free time. Too bad all my free time is occupied by watching anime.

I also like insult wars. It's just so fun to tease, annoy and/or insult people.
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Hello there! I am Tracian Empire! You can call me Tracian, Thrace, Thracian, Thracr, Thracc or whatever you want. Really.

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Postby Charlia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:50 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Charlia wrote:I was voted 'most likely to attempt world domination', so yeah...
But then the friend said 'She's going to win'. I was like 'YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS Especially if it comes down to an insult war.' After which I got another guarantee.
Sherlock has helped my awesome insults arsenal replenish greatly.
'What must it be like in your funny little minds? It must be so boring.'
'I envy you so much. Your mind. It's so placid. Straightforward. Barely used. Mine's like an engine, racing out of control. A rocket, tearing itself to pieces trapped on the launch pad.'

On the other hand, this isn't an insult but it's officially one of my favorite scenes in all of Sherlock.
Lestrade: 'I suppose he likes having the same faces back together. It appeals to his... his...'
Watson: 'Aspergers?'

FAN THEORY CONFIRMED!
Also, as an Aspie, it was a Crowning Moment of Awesome. At least for me.

Sometimes my life is awesome that way. I actually enjoy little wars like that, especially what I don't hesitate to call a 'War of the Words'.


Sherlock? Nice. I only saw a couple of episodes, but it's on my list of series I want to watch when I have free time. Too bad all my free time is occupied by watching anime.

I also like insult wars. It's just so fun to tease, annoy and/or insult people.

Sherlock is best TV show. Except mayyyyyyyybe Doctor Who. It's so sad though... only 3 episodes a year... soooooo saaaaaaaad.

'If I wanted to kill myself, I'd climb your ego and jump to your IQ'.
Not from Sherlock as far as I know, but I love it all the same.

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Postby Acadeshia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:56 am

Charlia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
Sherlock? Nice. I only saw a couple of episodes, but it's on my list of series I want to watch when I have free time. Too bad all my free time is occupied by watching anime.

I also like insult wars. It's just so fun to tease, annoy and/or insult people.

Sherlock is best TV show. Except mayyyyyyyybe Doctor Who. It's so sad though... only 3 episodes a year... soooooo saaaaaaaad.

'If I wanted to kill myself, I'd climb your ego and jump to your IQ'.
Not from Sherlock as far as I know, but I love it all the same.

BRILLIANT!
Here is another I heard:

"We shouldn't make fun of him. It's a serious matter when one's IQ begins with a comma."
"To teach is to touch a life forever."
"If there was ever an evil in this world that good could not defeat, what would you do? Would you stain your hands with evil to defeat that evil? Or would you keep to your own justice, and succumb to that evil?"
"Only those prepared to die, should kill. Only those prepared to sacrifice everything, can expect anything. Only those prepared to lose everything, can achieve anything."

Roleplay:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=334502
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=335385

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Postby Charlia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:00 am

Acadeshia wrote:
Charlia wrote:Sherlock is best TV show. Except mayyyyyyyybe Doctor Who. It's so sad though... only 3 episodes a year... soooooo saaaaaaaad.

'If I wanted to kill myself, I'd climb your ego and jump to your IQ'.
Not from Sherlock as far as I know, but I love it all the same.

BRILLIANT!
Here is another I heard:

"We shouldn't make fun of him. It's a serious matter when one's IQ begins with a comma."

:clap: In case you couldn't tell, my favorite insults are those to the intelligence.

(And the in-series nickname is revealed!)

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Postby Acadeshia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:11 am

Charlia wrote:
Acadeshia wrote:BRILLIANT!
Here is another I heard:

"We shouldn't make fun of him. It's a serious matter when one's IQ begins with a comma."

:clap: In case you couldn't tell, my favorite insults are those to the intelligence.

(And the in-series nickname is revealed!)

A few of my favourite intelligence insults:
"Is your ass jealous of the amount of bullshit coming out of your mouth?"
"I bet your brain feels as good as new, since you never use it."
"I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass."
"I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong."
"I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit out a smarter statement than that."
"If you're gonna be a smartass, first you have to be smart. Otherwise you're just an ass."
"To teach is to touch a life forever."
"If there was ever an evil in this world that good could not defeat, what would you do? Would you stain your hands with evil to defeat that evil? Or would you keep to your own justice, and succumb to that evil?"
"Only those prepared to die, should kill. Only those prepared to sacrifice everything, can expect anything. Only those prepared to lose everything, can achieve anything."

Roleplay:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=334502
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=335385

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Postby Tulkomanistan » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:15 am

I feel happy for you guys. Whenever I try to go into insult wars people just swear at me when I start it or counter theirs.

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Postby Charlia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:34 am

Acadeshia wrote:
Charlia wrote: :clap: In case you couldn't tell, my favorite insults are those to the intelligence.

(And the in-series nickname is revealed!)

A few of my favourite intelligence insults:
"Is your ass jealous of the amount of bullshit coming out of your mouth?"
"I bet your brain feels as good as new, since you never use it."
"I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass."
"I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong."
"I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit out a smarter statement than that."
"If you're gonna be a smartass, first you have to be smart. Otherwise you're just an ass."

Oh my word. This is hilarious.
Tulkomanistan wrote:I feel happy for you guys. Whenever I try to go into insult wars people just swear at me when I start it or counter theirs.

Ouch.

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Postby Charlia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:39 am

Ah, I just spoil all the heartwarming moments, don't I? :p

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Postby Acadeshia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:48 am

Charlia wrote:Ah, I just spoil all the heartwarming moments, don't I? :p

Every party needs the spoilsport. It is a necessary, if unpopular, role.

On another note here are some funny Afrikaans Sayings:
"voetstoots" - lit. "feet push" meaning: as is
"gatvol" - lit. "Ass full" meaning: sick and tired of...
"Hy gaan sy gat sien" - lit. "He will see his ass" meaning: he will get his come-uppance
"To teach is to touch a life forever."
"If there was ever an evil in this world that good could not defeat, what would you do? Would you stain your hands with evil to defeat that evil? Or would you keep to your own justice, and succumb to that evil?"
"Only those prepared to die, should kill. Only those prepared to sacrifice everything, can expect anything. Only those prepared to lose everything, can achieve anything."

Roleplay:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=334502
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=335385

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Postby Charlia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:18 am

Acadeshia wrote:
Charlia wrote:Ah, I just spoil all the heartwarming moments, don't I? :p

Every party needs the spoilsport. It is a necessary, if unpopular, role.

On another note here are some funny Afrikaans Sayings:
"voetstoots" - lit. "feet push" meaning: as is
"gatvol" - lit. "Ass full" meaning: sick and tired of...
"Hy gaan sy gat sien" - lit. "He will see his ass" meaning: he will get his come-uppance

:eyebrow: Fascinating.

(Although I'm less of the spoilsport at parties and more of the 'AGH TOO MANY PEOPLE RUUUUUUUUN')

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Postby The Tophat Empire » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:35 am

Hey, Frenchy
Made something for ya

EDIT; On another note, had my first Japanese lesson yesterday, now i have to learn half of hiragana until next week
plus ca 20 or so phrases
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FT, but roam where i please
It does not reflect my real life world political views, which are considerably less authoritarian and more moderate
Refer to my factbook for canon, it´s however out of date, and badly written. So take it with a grain of salt

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Postby Charlia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:39 am

That really awesome moment when your Nightcore playlist on SC plays a song, and then later at a coffee shop that song comes on over the radio.


Coincidence? I think not.

(Okay, yes, I think so, but still.)

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