With Fire and Steel - AH RP (OOC/OPEN)

[The New Lowlands]

Luxembourg got arbitrarily attached to the Netherlands in 1815 to make a buffer state bigger, no other reason.

The same literally applies to everything else in the Southern Netherlands.
You may argue that some of the southern Netherlands fit better ethnically but we both know very well that in that century as a whole, and in the conference specifically, ethnic borders mostly meant fuck-all when compared to the balance of powers, the status quo, and similar shared concerns of the european powers.

Yes there is. Treaties.

No, there is not - at least as far as I am aware. Treaties not the reason for changes, but the way they are formalized and publicized. They are a path, not a destination.

you're making my point for me

so we agree

there is nothing stopping the south-eastern netherlands staying Austrian or whatever if Flanders become dutch

[The Jonathanian States]

The same literally applies to everything else in the Southern Netherlands.
You may argue that some of the southern Netherlands fit better ethnically but we both know very well that in that century as a whole, and in the conference specifically, ethnic borders mostly meant fuck-all when compared to the balance of powers, the status quo, and similar shared concerns of the european powers.


No, there is not - at least as far as I am aware. Treaties not the reason for changes, but the way they are formalized and publicized. They are a path, not a destination.

you're making my point for me

so we agree

there is nothing stopping the south-eastern netherlands staying Austrian or whatever if Flanders become dutch

I see now what you actually were aiming for. I think 'twas mostly a difference in terminology.
What I originally understood from you was that solely what Prussia has now would have remained Austrian, to which I don't see any logic.
But what I believe to understand now as what you mean is that the Netherlands would taken solely the Netherlands proper, as well as Flanders, minus the Greater-Limburg state, I suppose - leaving the Austrian Netherlands consisting of Great Luxembourg and more or less Walloonia.

Or am I misunderstanding you still?

[The New Lowlands]

you're making my point for me

so we agree

there is nothing stopping the south-eastern netherlands staying Austrian or whatever if Flanders become dutch

I see now what you actually were aiming for. I think 'twas mostly a difference in terminology.
What I originally understood from you was that solely what Prussia has now would have remained Austrian, to which I don't see any logic.
But what I believe to understand now as what you mean is that the Netherlands would taken solely the Netherlands proper, as well as Flanders, minus the Greater-Limburg state, I suppose - leaving the Austrian Netherlands consisting of Great Luxembourg and more or less Walloonia.

Or am I misunderstanding you still?

sure

(fukken greater limburg traitors, abandoning muh Republic)

[The Jonathanian States]

I see now what you actually were aiming for. I think 'twas mostly a difference in terminology.
What I originally understood from you was that solely what Prussia has now would have remained Austrian, to which I don't see any logic.
But what I believe to understand now as what you mean is that the Netherlands would taken solely the Netherlands proper, as well as Flanders, minus the Greater-Limburg state, I suppose - leaving the Austrian Netherlands consisting of Great Luxembourg and more or less Walloonia.

Or am I misunderstanding you still?

sure

(fukken greater limburg traitors, abandoning muh Republic)

A'ight.

Leave Limburg alone. They completely willingly became a vassal state to the Kingdom of Prussia.

[The New Lowlands]

sure

(fukken greater limburg traitors, abandoning muh Republic)

A'ight.

Leave Limburg alone. They completely willingly became a vassal state to the Kingdom of Prussia.

"willingly"
"completely"
"prussia"

[Kisinger]

A'ight.

Leave Limburg alone. They completely willingly became a vassal state to the Kingdom of Prussia.

"willingly"
"completely"
"prussia"

Those don't go together... Like at all.... Sorry Jon but even though it doesn't matter I'm with TNL on this one....

[Capsland]

Generic Info
Nation Name: The United Kingdom of England-Ireland
Symbols: Flag, Anthem, Coat of Arms
Homeland Population: 13,484,000
Imperial Population: 1,604,000

• 304,000 in Canada
• 500,000 in Australia
• 800,000 in Bengal/India

Location/Claims: http://i.imgur.com/r7u5yHT.png
Capital City: London

Government Info
Government Type: Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government:
The Government is led by the Prime Minister, who selects all the remaining ministers. The Prime Minister and the other most senior ministers belong to the supreme decision-making committee, known as the Cabinet. The Government Ministers all sit in Parliament, and are accountable to it. The Government is dependent on Parliament to make primary legislation. After an election, the monarch selects as Prime Minister the leader of the party most likely to command a majority of MPs in the House of Commons.

Under the uncodified English constitution, executive authority lies with the monarch, although this authority is exercised only by, or on the advice of, the Prime Minister and the Cabinet.
Ideology: Conservatism
Leader/s:
Head of State: King George III Tudor
Head of Government: Prime Minister William Pitt the Younger

Population Info
Religion: Anglicanism (Church of England)
Main/Accepted Culture(s): English, Irish
Other Cultures: Welsh, Cornish

Military Info
Army: The Royal army is organised into home armies and colonial armies. There are roughly 250,000 troops in the Royal Army all together. The Colonial Army of Canada is comprised of 60,000 colonial troops while the Colonial Army of Australia comprises 40,000 troops. There are 100,000 home guard troops stationed in England and Ireland while 50,000 troops (as well as many mercenaries (25,000)) are stationed in India under the East India Company.

The Royal army is well equipped to fight in nearly any terrain and well trained to fight any foe. It has a good amount of cannons and heavy weaponry and uses cavalry charges to a great extent. There are also many officers to command the individual forces of the army making sure that, when in battles, the troops fight in unity and together. However, there are still some flaws. Even though the Royal Army boasts it's tech advantage and amount of troops, it still is considered small compared to nations like France and Spain. It is also stretched out over the colonies making it considerably weaker when fighting nations on their home continent.

Navy: The English navy, or Royal Navy, is the pride of the English armed forces. The navy is the first, in some cases, last line of defence against invaders coming from the continent. Due to this importance, the navy has seen much more care and attention than the army. (However, the ground forces are no laughing matter either.)

The Royal Navy is the biggest and strongest navy in the western hemisphere, with hundreds of ships protecting England's financial and colonial interests. It has some of the finest trained sailors in the world and has seen action pretty much anywhere in the seven seas. The navy can hold it's own against nearly any foe, however, numbers don't always mean everything, which is why the English have invested so much into maintaining and modernising their navy.
Number of vessels: 450
Total crew: 100,000 Men

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy:
With money coming in from the colonies and exotic new goods being traded in English ports, the economy of England is on its up. The depletion of the European beaver made demand for fur pelts sky rocket, also the price. With furs coming from Canada, England was able to profit from the high demand. Also spices, tea and cotton from India makes England one of the highest valued traders in the western world thus boosting the economy.
Overall, England's economy is doing good, but can do better with the expansion of colonies and more protected trade routes.
Goals: 'Deal' with Scotland, Continue naval superiority over France, Expand allies outside of Europe.
History:
Unable to invade and incorporate Scotland into the United Kingdom due to fears that the war would be dragged out and cost massive amounts of manpower, England looked to its colonies. Upon King George III's coronation, he issued numerous acts that would bolster England's colonial grip in the Americas, South Atlantic, Australia and Asia. Following the American Revolution and this new age of republicanism, England's border with Scotland became very militarised. Many forts and refurbished castles were built through the counties of Cumbria and Northumberland and a fast reaction fleet deployed to Ulster for an impending attack or if England needed to show superiority over the island.

To the south, England saw its ultimate rival, France. Parliament, over the years, had issued many anti French policies, some of which were edging close to war declarations. French merchant ships using the channel would often be harassed by privateers funded by the English government while the Royal Navy would often have naval standoffs with French warships. Due to this new powerful rival, England's armies had been bolstered up with new equipment, better weapons and good training to deal with France if the time came. Luckily, England had the royal navy to protect herself from any Frenchies that wanted to fly the French flag from the tower of London.

Now, in 1796, England prepares itself for imminent war with France and her allies, as Europe fights over republicanism and monarchism

RP Sample: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=337075#p24257135
Secret Phrase: I will always date my posts :)
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

(More details will be edited in later today when I have time ^-^)

[Kisinger]

Generic Info
Nation Name: The United Kingdom of England-Ireland
Symbols: Flag, Anthem, Coat of Arms
Homeland Population: 13,484,000
Imperial Population: 1,004,000 (Mainly Australia)
Location/Claims: http://i.imgur.com/r7u5yHT.png
Capital City: London

Government Info
Government Type: Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government:
The Government is led by the Prime Minister, who selects all the remaining ministers. The Prime Minister and the other most senior ministers belong to the supreme decision-making committee, known as the Cabinet. The Government Ministers all sit in Parliament, and are accountable to it. The Government is dependent on Parliament to make primary legislation. After an election, the monarch selects as Prime Minister the leader of the party most likely to command a majority of MPs in the House of Commons.

Under the uncodified English constitution, executive authority lies with the monarch, although this authority is exercised only by, or on the advice of, the Prime Minister and the Cabinet.
Ideology: Conservatism
Leader/s:
Head of State: King George III Tudor
Head of Government: Prime Minister William Pitt the Younger

Population Info
Religion: Anglicanism (Church of England)
Main/Accepted Culture(s): English, Irish
Other Cultures: Welsh, Cornish

Military Info
Army: The Royal army is organised into home armies and colonial armies. There are roughly 250,000 troops in the Royal Army all together. The Colonial Army of Canada is comprised of 60,000 colonial troops while the Colonial Army of Australia comprises 40,000 troops. There are 100,000 home guard troops stationed in England and Ireland while 50,000 troops (as well as many mercenaries (25,000)) are stationed in India under the East India Company.

The Royal army is well equipped to fight in nearly any terrain and well trained to fight any foe. It has a good amount of cannons and heavy weaponry and uses cavalry charges to a great extent. There are also many officers to command the individual forces of the army making sure that, when in battles, the troops fight in unity and together. However, there are still some flaws. Even though the Royal Army boasts it's tech advantage and amount of troops, it still is considered small compared to nations like France and Spain. It is also stretched out over the colonies making it considerably weaker when fighting nations on their home continent.

Navy: The English navy, or Royal Navy, is the pride of the English armed forces. The navy is the first, in some cases, last line of defence against invaders coming from the continent. Due to this importance, the navy has seen much more care and attention than the army. (However, the ground forces are no laughing matter either.)

The Royal Navy is the biggest and strongest navy in the western hemisphere, with hundreds of ships protecting England's financial and colonial interests. It has some of the finest trained sailors in the world and has seen action pretty much anywhere in the seven seas. The navy can hold it's own against nearly any foe, however, numbers don't always mean everything, which is why the English have investeed so much into maintaining and modernising their navy.
Number of vessels: 561 (reference)
Total crew: 100,000 Men

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy:
With money coming in from the colonies and exotic new goods being traded in English ports, the economy of England is on its up. The depletion of the European beaver made demand for fur pelts sky rocket, also the price. With furs coming from Canada, England was able to profit from the high demand. Also spices, tea and cotton from India makes England one of the highest valued traders in the western world thus boosting the economy.
Overall, England's economy is doing good, but can do better with the expansion of colonies and more protected trade routes.
Goals: 'Deal' with Scotland, Continue naval superiority over France, Expand allies outside of Europe.
History:
Unable to incorporate Scotland into the United Kingdom, England looked to its colonies. Upon King George III's coronation, he issued numerous acts that would bolster England's colonial grip in the Americas, South Atlantic, Australia and Asia. Following the American Revolution and this new age of republicanism, England's border with Scotland became very militarised. Many forts and refurbished castles were built through the counties of Cumbria and Northumberland and a fast reaction fleet deployed to Ulster for an impending attack or if England needed to show superiority over the island.

To the south, England saw its ultimate rival, France. Parliament, over the years, had issued many anti French policies, some of which were edging close to war declarations. French merchant ships using the channel would often be harassed by privateers funded by the English government while the Royal Navy would often have naval standoffs with French warships. Due to this new powerful rival, England's armies had been bolstered up with new equipment, better weapons and good training to deal with France if the time came. Luckily, England had the royal navy to protect herself from any Frenchies that wanted to fly the French flag from the tower of London.

Now, in 1796, England prepares itself for imminent war with France and her allies, as Europe fights over republicanism and monarchism

RP Sample: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=337075#p24257135
Secret Phrase: I will always date my posts
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

Technically it wasn't Scotland who wasn't able to be incorporated England, seeing as though House Stuart Took the Throne of both Scotland and England unifying the two realms, so you have it backwards. :3

[The New Lowlands]

The naval number should (by Glytter's fiat) be somewhat smaller, also due to the loss of the degree of colonial supremacy England had as well as the lack of Scotland and its shipyards and cannon foundries. You actually forgot England's most important colonial possession, i.e. Bengal: no bengal means England cannot into relevance.

Additionally, the size of the armies strikes me as excessive, but I'll need to do some research for that. Could you list the amount of guns you have?

<note: i'm not an OP or Co-OP, but I'm totally helping : ))))>

[Capsland]

Generic Info
Nation Name: The United Kingdom of England-Ireland
Symbols: Flag, Anthem, Coat of Arms
Homeland Population: 13,484,000
Imperial Population: 1,004,000 (Mainly Australia)
Location/Claims: http://i.imgur.com/r7u5yHT.png
Capital City: London

Government Info
Government Type: Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government:
The Government is led by the Prime Minister, who selects all the remaining ministers. The Prime Minister and the other most senior ministers belong to the supreme decision-making committee, known as the Cabinet. The Government Ministers all sit in Parliament, and are accountable to it. The Government is dependent on Parliament to make primary legislation. After an election, the monarch selects as Prime Minister the leader of the party most likely to command a majority of MPs in the House of Commons.

Under the uncodified English constitution, executive authority lies with the monarch, although this authority is exercised only by, or on the advice of, the Prime Minister and the Cabinet.
Ideology: Conservatism
Leader/s:
Head of State: King George III Tudor
Head of Government: Prime Minister William Pitt the Younger

Population Info
Religion: Anglicanism (Church of England)
Main/Accepted Culture(s): English, Irish
Other Cultures: Welsh, Cornish

Military Info
Army: The Royal army is organised into home armies and colonial armies. There are roughly 250,000 troops in the Royal Army all together. The Colonial Army of Canada is comprised of 60,000 colonial troops while the Colonial Army of Australia comprises 40,000 troops. There are 100,000 home guard troops stationed in England and Ireland while 50,000 troops (as well as many mercenaries (25,000)) are stationed in India under the East India Company.

The Royal army is well equipped to fight in nearly any terrain and well trained to fight any foe. It has a good amount of cannons and heavy weaponry and uses cavalry charges to a great extent. There are also many officers to command the individual forces of the army making sure that, when in battles, the troops fight in unity and together. However, there are still some flaws. Even though the Royal Army boasts it's tech advantage and amount of troops, it still is considered small compared to nations like France and Spain. It is also stretched out over the colonies making it considerably weaker when fighting nations on their home continent.

Navy: The English navy, or Royal Navy, is the pride of the English armed forces. The navy is the first, in some cases, last line of defence against invaders coming from the continent. Due to this importance, the navy has seen much more care and attention than the army. (However, the ground forces are no laughing matter either.)

The Royal Navy is the biggest and strongest navy in the western hemisphere, with hundreds of ships protecting England's financial and colonial interests. It has some of the finest trained sailors in the world and has seen action pretty much anywhere in the seven seas. The navy can hold it's own against nearly any foe, however, numbers don't always mean everything, which is why the English have investeed so much into maintaining and modernising their navy.
Number of vessels: 561 (reference)
Total crew: 100,000 Men

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy:
With money coming in from the colonies and exotic new goods being traded in English ports, the economy of England is on its up. The depletion of the European beaver made demand for fur pelts sky rocket, also the price. With furs coming from Canada, England was able to profit from the high demand. Also spices, tea and cotton from India makes England one of the highest valued traders in the western world thus boosting the economy.
Overall, England's economy is doing good, but can do better with the expansion of colonies and more protected trade routes.
Goals: 'Deal' with Scotland, Continue naval superiority over France, Expand allies outside of Europe.
History:
Unable to incorporate Scotland into the United Kingdom, England looked to its colonies. Upon King George III's coronation, he issued numerous acts that would bolster England's colonial grip in the Americas, South Atlantic, Australia and Asia. Following the American Revolution and this new age of republicanism, England's border with Scotland became very militarised. Many forts and refurbished castles were built through the counties of Cumbria and Northumberland and a fast reaction fleet deployed to Ulster for an impending attack or if England needed to show superiority over the island.

To the south, England saw its ultimate rival, France. Parliament, over the years, had issued many anti French policies, some of which were edging close to war declarations. French merchant ships using the channel would often be harassed by privateers funded by the English government while the Royal Navy would often have naval standoffs with French warships. Due to this new powerful rival, England's armies had been bolstered up with new equipment, better weapons and good training to deal with France if the time came. Luckily, England had the royal navy to protect herself from any Frenchies that wanted to fly the French flag from the tower of London.

Now, in 1796, England prepares itself for imminent war with France and her allies, as Europe fights over republicanism and monarchism

RP Sample: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=337075#p24257135
Secret Phrase: I will always date my posts
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

Technically it wasn't Scotland who wasn't able to be incorporated England, seeing as though House Stuart Took the Throne of both Scotland and England unifying the two realms, so you have it backwards. :3

'Incorporate' meaning invade and subjugate :3

The naval number should (by Glytter's fiat) be somewhat smaller, also due to the loss of the degree of colonial supremacy England had as well as the lack of Scotland and its shipyards and cannon foundries. You actually forgot England's most important colonial possession, i.e. Bengal: no bengal means England cannot into relevance.

Additionally, the size of the armies strikes me as excessive, but I'll need to do some research for that. Could you list the amount of guns you have?

<note: i'm not an OP or Co-OP, but I'm totally helping : ))))>

It was rushed so yeah, some numbers will be off xD I'll list them asap
Oh and I did reference India and the EIC in the app <.<

[Kisinger]

Technically it wasn't Scotland who wasn't able to be incorporated England, seeing as though House Stuart Took the Throne of both Scotland and England unifying the two realms, so you have it backwards. :3

'Incorporate' meaning invade and subjugate :3

Reason why you never did and never will ye Englishmen :3

[The Jonathanian States]

"willingly"
"completely"
"prussia"

Those don't go together... Like at all.... Sorry Jon but even though it doesn't matter I'm with TNL on this one....

Y'know, I might've been joking on that statement.

A'ight.

Leave Limburg alone. They completely willingly became a vassal state to the Kingdom of Prussia.

"willingly"
"completely"
"prussia"

"Netherlands"
"Relevant"

[The New Lowlands]

Technically it wasn't Scotland who wasn't able to be incorporated England, seeing as though House Stuart Took the Throne of both Scotland and England unifying the two realms, so you have it backwards. :3

'Incorporate' meaning invade and subjugate :3

The naval number should (by Glytter's fiat) be somewhat smaller, also due to the loss of the degree of colonial supremacy England had as well as the lack of Scotland and its shipyards and cannon foundries. You actually forgot England's most important colonial possession, i.e. Bengal: no bengal means England cannot into relevance.

Additionally, the size of the armies strikes me as excessive, but I'll need to do some research for that. Could you list the amount of guns you have?

<note: i'm not an OP or Co-OP, but I'm totally helping : ))))>

It was rushed so yeah, some numbers will be off xD I'll list them asap
Oh and I did reference India and the EIC in the app <.<

>imperial population said "mainly australia"

[The New American commonwealth]

Also, please DO NOT RESERVE POSTS.

A- FUCKING -MEN!
PRAISE GLYTE and pass the ammunition

Roster is up to date, maps are up to date.

All apps I have seen that needed by reviewing have been reviewed.

IC launches tomorrow morning. I will be laying out a few rules for the IC in the OP of the IC and here when I launch it.

Good things, all of them.

We start on the 11th of March 1796.

An important note that will be posted again: While time is free flowing, please note that each post should cover approximately one month in time. A post must encompass a minimum of two weeks, and at most maximum of four weeks. Due to the fact that the time lime is entirely determined by the players, it is essential that every player dates their posts.

Mhm.

Your first IC post is supposed to cover the actions of your nation for one month. Not one day, one month. There will be no backdating after you already post for a month or whatever. For example, if you post on the 12th of March and want to post again on the 21st of March - oh well.

And on the 27th (after having posted on the 12th)?
I might not see need for this, but I'd just like to know it, just in case.

I understand you will all want to write introductory posts, but there really is no need. We all know what is going to happen, Napoleon is going to march into Italy. Save yourself the time of tagging the thread with an introductory post and start posting after France invades Italy. That being said, Liecth get ready.

Muh Introduction. But ok, I surrender to the revolution the new order.

Also do not forget to have fun. Do not get pissy that Napoleon is going to lolrekt all of Europe in the First Coalition War - and probably still lolrekt you in the second war. This is all for good fun. Napoleon will be defeated eventually and this is a going to be a Napoleonic role play - so keep that in mind. Many nations will lose wars - including France. So just go with the flow and be ready for anything.

A'ight, A'ight, I surrender!

bavaria isn't ruling germoney in this picture.

0/10, is worst polanball/s

Surely you forgot the "1" and meant "10/10", exactly because Bavaria isn't ruling germoney, huehueheuehueue

After making this, I won't make another Polandball for a week...

Noice. I almost like it as much as the one where Prussia is ascendant.
But what exactly does Prussia have there? Is that a sign? Or a sort of axe, or something?

I'll fix my app and repost it soon.

Mhm.

Speaking as the Dutch player, I have no idea why he said that.

Speaking as the Prussian player, I have no idea why you said that.

My app was made and accepted first (relative to yours, that is).
In fact, it seems the history wasn't as it is now when it was accepted.

So yes, Austria had its southern Netherlands at least until the end of the seven years war. If you've got complaints I believe you're welcome to address them to somebody else on the OP team, considering I'm obviously a biased side in this.
EDIT: Fixed the last of the links. /EDIT

It's the 'Prussian Hammer' a reference to another Rp I'm on as the Prussian Empire, and I created a Giant cannon called the Prussia Hammer

[Capsland]

'Incorporate' meaning invade and subjugate :3


It was rushed so yeah, some numbers will be off xD I'll list them asap
Oh and I did reference India and the EIC in the app <.<

>imperial population said "mainly australia"

Ahh, must've forgot to change that from my old app xD

[Lunas Legion]

Can I ask how a 100:1 ratio between cannons and men (overall) is too many, especally considering that the Latins have a smaller army:pop ratio than, say Scotland, and can use all thr cannons others would use on ships on land instead given that the navy is a afterthought?

[The New Lowlands]

Can I ask how a 100:1 ratio between cannons and men (overall) is too many, especally considering that the Latins have a smaller army:pop ratio than, say Scotland, and can use all thr cannons others would use on ships on land instead given that the navy is a afterthought?

well, we did say might

and it's more a concern over industrial capacity and the sum total of cannons

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

*sees a page of Dutchie-German bickering*

*closes NS tab*

Anyways, for the England-Ireland app:
1. Map doesn't include accurate claims bc I added a hella lot of shit to most colonial nations. My master map is what matters.
2. On the navy, would you be able to provide us with a breakdown of the ship type eventually? If you like, I am able to help you with that.
3. History is p good, gets to the point. Might wanna talk a little about the East India Company, but you did mention colonial policies so.
4. The population is Bengal is likely a lot large that 800,000 - it is one of India's most populous regions. I'll see if I can find anything for you to get a better estimate of the population there.

Taking all of that into consideration, and expecting some changes to be made - accepted!

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

THE IC IS HERE

Please take the time to read the IC rules and the Guidelines for Reservations and Time.

[Liecthenbourg]

THE IC IS HERE

Please take the time to read the IC rules and the Guidelines for Reservations and Time.

*Republicanism intensifies*

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Two reminders:
1. The IC starts on the 11th of March
2. War of the First Coalition never happened - but is about to.

[The Jonathanian States]

2. No reservations

Guidelines for Reservations

Wat?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

2. No reservations

Guidelines for Reservations

Wat?

I know it sounds contradictory, but there is an exception as long as you follow my specific rules for reservations.

[Sveltlana]

Two reminders:
1. The IC starts on the 11th of March
2. War of the First Coalition never happened - but is about to.

Hmm.. Liec, should I make the Italian expedition be in this war or in the war of the Second coalition?

[Liecthenbourg]

Two reminders:
1. The IC starts on the 11th of March
2. War of the First Coalition never happened - but is about to.

Hmm.. Liec, should I make the Italian expedition be in this war or in the war of the Second coalition?

This one.
Boney is smashing N. Italy in this war.