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Postby ApplePieistan » Thu May 21, 2015 3:47 pm

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Soviet Chernarus wrote:Aye, but the men who dropped the bomb thought at the time it was a better alternative than a full invasion of Japan which would result in millions upon millions of casualties. The japs were prepared to fight to the death...

Yeah, pretty damn fanatical although the only issue with the Japs were they had to get their own food so they often resorted to cannibalism, not the most moral boasting of actions.

They had extremely high morale. They had kamikazes and bonsai charges.

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Postby Marsisian » Thu May 21, 2015 3:48 pm

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Marsisian wrote:Both Britain and America were little more than insignificant in the war against Japan. China had been fighting against Japan since 1937 when the Brits and Americans got their asses kicked in 1940 and 1941. Ever heard of a thing called the Rape of Nanking? Battle of Shanghai?

We were the ass-kickers! Ever heard of the battle of midway? The battle of Okinawa?

Ass-kickers of a nation not even prepared to fight a more powerful nation in every way, yeah sure, go America.
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New Besancon wrote:What are the accepted nations?

That's a good question. OP, would you mind updating the roster?

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Postby Nivok Baves » Thu May 21, 2015 3:49 pm

ApplePieistan wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Both Britain and America were little more than insignificant in the war against Japan. China had been fighting against Japan since 1937 when the Brits and Americans got their asses kicked in 1940 and 1941. Ever heard of a thing called the Rape of Nanking? Battle of Shanghai?

We were the ass-kickers! Ever heard of the battle of midway? The battle of Okinawa?

Ever heard if the Battle of El Alamein? Thee Battle of Kokoda Trail? The Battle of Papua New Guinea? Battle of Brisbane? Battle of Kursk?

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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Thu May 21, 2015 3:49 pm

ApplePieistan wrote:
Nivok Baves wrote:Yeah, pretty damn fanatical although the only issue with the Japs were they had to get their own food so they often resorted to cannibalism, not the most moral boasting of actions.

They had extremely high morale. They had kamikazes and bonsai charges.

Thought it was spelled banzai, and killing yourself in the hopes of killing an enemy does not equate with high morale

In fact, it just shows desperation and fanaticism on the Japanese part
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ApplePieistan wrote:
Nivok Baves wrote:Yeah, pretty damn fanatical although the only issue with the Japs were they had to get their own food so they often resorted to cannibalism, not the most moral boasting of actions.

They had extremely high morale. They had kamikazes and bonsai charges.

By high morale, you mean a very dedicated upbringing to view the emperor as a god?

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Postby Australian Antarctica » Thu May 21, 2015 3:51 pm

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Australian Antarctica wrote:The Battle of Britain was only won due to a mistake.

What mistake, exactly? The Germans could never hope to invade Britain even if they did win the Battle of Britain

A German flight that was due to bomb a military target mistakenly bombed London, Churchill got pissed and bombed Berlin in return, which pissed Hitler off, who then bombed London. Before that fatal mistake, the RAF was at it's breaking point, the switch to civilian targets gave them a chance to rebuild and rearm. Without that chance, the RAF would have been finished. allowing Hitler to gain air superiority, and eventually launch operation Sea Lion.
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Postby Marsisian » Thu May 21, 2015 3:51 pm

ApplePieistan wrote:
New Besancon wrote:What are the accepted nations?

That's a good question. OP, would you mind updating the roster?

I suppose
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Soviet Chernarus wrote:What mistake, exactly? The Germans could never hope to invade Britain even if they did win the Battle of Britain

A German flight that was due to bomb a military target mistakenly bombed London, Churchill got pissed and bombed Berlin in return, which pissed Hitler off, who then bombed London. Before that fatal mistake, the RAF was at it's breaking point, the switch to civilian targets gave them a chance to rebuild and rearm. Without that chance, the RAF would have been finished. allowing Hitler to gain air superiority, and eventually launch operation Sea Lion.

But Germany couldn't win even if they had launched Sea Lion. The Kriegsmarine was pitifully small and the invasion couldn't even realistically succeeded anyhow.
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Postby ApplePieistan » Thu May 21, 2015 3:52 pm

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ApplePieistan wrote:We were the ass-kickers! Ever heard of the battle of midway? The battle of Okinawa?

Ass-kickers of a nation not even prepared to fight a more powerful nation in every way, yeah sure, go America.

What do you mean, "not prepared?" We won! The Chinese were getting conquered and raped until we came in and invented a type of bomb that, with 2 applications, wins the war. Then, we celebrated our victory and flew to the moon.

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Postby Australian Antarctica » Thu May 21, 2015 3:53 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Australian Antarctica wrote:A German flight that was due to bomb a military target mistakenly bombed London, Churchill got pissed and bombed Berlin in return, which pissed Hitler off, who then bombed London. Before that fatal mistake, the RAF was at it's breaking point, the switch to civilian targets gave them a chance to rebuild and rearm. Without that chance, the RAF would have been finished. allowing Hitler to gain air superiority, and eventually launch operation Sea Lion.

But Germany couldn't win even if they had launched Sea Lion. The Kriegsmarine was pitifully small and the invasion couldn't even realistically succeeded anyhow.

Then Germany would have bombed England into submission, either way, they were finished. And America was badass, but not as badass as Russia or China.
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Thu May 21, 2015 3:53 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Australian Antarctica wrote:A German flight that was due to bomb a military target mistakenly bombed London, Churchill got pissed and bombed Berlin in return, which pissed Hitler off, who then bombed London. Before that fatal mistake, the RAF was at it's breaking point, the switch to civilian targets gave them a chance to rebuild and rearm. Without that chance, the RAF would have been finished. allowing Hitler to gain air superiority, and eventually launch operation Sea Lion.

But Germany couldn't win even if they had launched Sea Lion. The Kriegsmarine was pitifully small and the invasion couldn't even realistically succeeded anyhow.

Agreed, plus the British were prepared to fight everywhere, and even if Hitler tried to build up his navy it would just give the Royal army time to prepare for an invasion. And pardon me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Hitler planning to transport troops across the channel in converted Rhine barges? Even in the most optimistic scenario with Germany managing to land troops I don't see them succeeding
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Postby Nivok Baves » Thu May 21, 2015 3:54 pm

ApplePieistan wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Ass-kickers of a nation not even prepared to fight a more powerful nation in every way, yeah sure, go America.

What do you mean, "not prepared?" We won! The Chinese were getting conquered and raped until we came in and invented a type of bomb that, with 2 applications, wins the war. Then, we celebrated our victory and flew to the moon.

You couldn't have won if Britain, China, USSR, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and countless other nations had carried on fighting when you were busy in a depression.

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Postby Nivok Baves » Thu May 21, 2015 3:55 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
Marsisian wrote:But Germany couldn't win even if they had launched Sea Lion. The Kriegsmarine was pitifully small and the invasion couldn't even realistically succeeded anyhow.

Agreed, plus the British were prepared to fight everywhere, and even if Hitler tried to build up his navy it would just give the Royal army time to prepare for an invasion. And pardon me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Hitler planning to transport troops across the channel in converted Rhine barges? Even in the most optimistic scenario with Germany managing to land troops I don't see them succeeding


Just a pet peeve, but the British Army is called the British Army not the Royal Army.

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Australian Antarctica wrote:
Marsisian wrote:But Germany couldn't win even if they had launched Sea Lion. The Kriegsmarine was pitifully small and the invasion couldn't even realistically succeeded anyhow.

Then Germany would have bombed England into submission, either way, they were finished. And America was badass, but not as badass as Russia or China.

Didn't they try that?

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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Thu May 21, 2015 3:55 pm

Nivok Baves wrote:
Soviet Chernarus wrote:Agreed, plus the British were prepared to fight everywhere, and even if Hitler tried to build up his navy it would just give the Royal army time to prepare for an invasion. And pardon me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Hitler planning to transport troops across the channel in converted Rhine barges? Even in the most optimistic scenario with Germany managing to land troops I don't see them succeeding


Just a pet peeve, but the British Army is called the British Army not the Royal Army.

Sorry, I'll keep that in mind :blush:
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Postby ApplePieistan » Thu May 21, 2015 3:56 pm

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ApplePieistan wrote:What do you mean, "not prepared?" We won! The Chinese were getting conquered and raped until we came in and invented a type of bomb that, with 2 applications, wins the war. Then, we celebrated our victory and flew to the moon.

You couldn't have won if Britain, China, USSR, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and countless other nations had carried on fighting when you were busy in a depression.

I think your forgetting that we dropped the nukes! Then had a golden age! Then went to the moon!

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Postby New Besancon » Thu May 21, 2015 3:57 pm

Oh... France is taken...
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The New American commonwealth wrote:Well, if a Bonaparte is in powerful, and has the Imperial Japanese airforce and navy....
We're all doomed...

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Postby Marsisian » Thu May 21, 2015 3:57 pm

ApplePieistan wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Ass-kickers of a nation not even prepared to fight a more powerful nation in every way, yeah sure, go America.

What do you mean, "not prepared?" We won! The Chinese were getting conquered and raped until we came in and invented a type of bomb that, with 2 applications, wins the war. Then, we celebrated our victory and flew to the moon.

Japan could not have conquered China. There were just too much people and land to take over. America was not that level of awesome that you think it is. Russia and China did most of the work. America and the Western Allies were little more than mouse rats compared to the Russian Bear.
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Postby Marsisian » Thu May 21, 2015 3:58 pm

ApplePieistan wrote:
Nivok Baves wrote:You couldn't have won if Britain, China, USSR, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and countless other nations had carried on fighting when you were busy in a depression.

I think your forgetting that we dropped the nukes! Then had a golden age! Then went to the moon!

Dropping the nukes wouldn't have mattered. If America had just firebombed them some more they still would have surrendered.
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Postby Nivok Baves » Thu May 21, 2015 3:58 pm

ApplePieistan wrote:
Nivok Baves wrote:You couldn't have won if Britain, China, USSR, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and countless other nations had carried on fighting when you were busy in a depression.

I think your forgetting that we dropped the nukes! Then had a golden age! Then went to the moon!

You dropped two bombs. Congratulations. Japan was going to lose anyway. And you went to the moon? Cool, Russia went to space first and did the first spacewalk.

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Postby ApplePieistan » Thu May 21, 2015 3:58 pm

Australian Antarctica wrote:
Marsisian wrote:But Germany couldn't win even if they had launched Sea Lion. The Kriegsmarine was pitifully small and the invasion couldn't even realistically succeeded anyhow.

Then Germany would have bombed England into submission, either way, they were finished. And America was badass, but not as badass as Russia or China.

How could the nuke-droppers not be more badass than China, who wouldn't stop losing ground before we shown up?

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Postby Nivok Baves » Thu May 21, 2015 3:59 pm

ApplePieistan wrote:
Australian Antarctica wrote:Then Germany would have bombed England into submission, either way, they were finished. And America was badass, but not as badass as Russia or China.

How could the nuke-droppers not be more badass than China, who wouldn't stop losing ground before we shown up?

We were all gaining ground actually

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Postby New Besancon » Thu May 21, 2015 3:59 pm

Is Japan open?
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Love this quote. ^w^ (in reaction to our flag)
The New American commonwealth wrote:Well, if a Bonaparte is in powerful, and has the Imperial Japanese airforce and navy....
We're all doomed...

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