The Second World War (OOC/Open/Limited AH)

[ApplePieistan]

That makes no sense. How could the winners not be better than the losers?

The Revolution wasn't as black and white a war as people paint it to be.

C'mon, the Americans were good, English were bad, they had war, Englishmen got stomped into mulch and surrendered, then freedom! I mean, unless your black, but that's beside the point.

[Marsisian]

Hmmph. Maybe that's what you think.

Would you honestly want a traitor to be treated the same as a loyal member?

It depends.

[Benian Republic]

The Revolution wasn't as black and white a war as people paint it to be.

C'mon, the Americans were good, English were bad, they had war, Englishmen got stomped into mulch and surrendered, then freedom! I mean, unless your black, but that's beside the point.

Both were evil and commuted atrocities, and they just lost interest.
Or Jewish, a woman, an Indian or had no land.

[Marsisian]

The Revolution wasn't as black and white a war as people paint it to be.

C'mon, the Americans were good, English were bad, they had war, Englishmen got stomped into mulch and surrendered, then freedom! I mean, unless your black, but that's beside the point.

Some Americans were good, others were bad. Some British were good, some were bad. America got owned during the first years of the war and nearly got destroyed then it was reversed when the French arrived to save us at Yorktown. Then began an era in which slavery persisted, rich white people had huge plantations of African slaves, racial inequality, and the American Civil War. Also there was some Indian Wars, the Trail of Tears... honestly America was bad back then.

[ApplePieistan]

C'mon, the Americans were good, English were bad, they had war, Englishmen got stomped into mulch and surrendered, then freedom! I mean, unless your black, but that's beside the point.

Both were evil and commuted atrocities, and they just lost interest.
Or Jewish, a woman, an Indian or had no land.

One mans patriot is another mans terrorist. From the free mans point of view, we committed no atrocities. Against the British, at least. Wait a minute, what were these "atrocities" we committed? I mean, I know of British atrocities like the Boston massacre, but no American atrocities.

[Benian Republic]

Both were evil and commuted atrocities, and they just lost interest.
Or Jewish, a woman, an Indian or had no land.

One mans patriot is another mans terrorist. From the free mans point of view, we committed no atrocities. Against the British, at least. Wait a minute, what were these "atrocities" we committed? I mean, I know of British atrocities like the Boston massacre, but no American atrocities.

The Boston massacre was t even really a massacre, like 7 people died..., For one what about the tarring and feathering of British people's and destroying their properties?

[Marsisian]

Both were evil and commuted atrocities, and they just lost interest.
Or Jewish, a woman, an Indian or had no land.

One mans patriot is another mans terrorist. From the free mans point of view, we committed no atrocities. Against the British, at least. Wait a minute, what were these "atrocities" we committed? I mean, I know of British atrocities like the Boston massacre, but no American atrocities.

Francis Marion killed a bunch of surrendered Loyalists and Regulars.

Lynching came from Colonel Charles Lynch of Virginia who committed war crimes against wounded Regulars, Loyalist sympathizers, and those who were neutral.

Tories after the war were ruthlessly harassed and persecuted. They had their land confiscated, tarred and feathered, had their noses cut open, and wives raped. Sometimes they were just murdered outright.

There was also the Sullivan Expedition.

[Benian Republic]

I just defended Britain... Time for bed!

[In-Exile]

Mars, I want you to accept me as USSR. It is May 29th.

Do I have to re-link the app again?

[Marsisian]

Mars, I want you to accept me as USSR. It is May 29th.

Do I have to re-link the app again?

You sure you can handle such a major power?

[Protector Galactics]

Mars, I want you to accept me as USSR. It is May 29th.

Do I have to re-link the app again?

You sure you can handle such a major power?

Can we test him at first? He only has 33 post!

[Marsisian]

You sure you can handle such a major power?

Can we test him at first? He only has 33 post!

Very well.

[In-Exile]

Is that a "yes"? I'll bite.

Though the first post won't come for a few hours, I have work to do.

[Protector Galactics]

Is that a "yes"? I'll bite.

Though the first post won't come for a few hours, I have work to do.

You are not accepted until you can give us a sample post as the Soviet Union.

[In-Exile]

Sample post? Okay, this is the first post I would post in the IC:

Союз Советских Социалистических Республик

The war is raging in Western Europe, and quite contrary to what one would assume, the Soviet Union has so far taken a much more isolationist stance than what one would think of a nation which claims to be ready to "free" Europe from capitalist control at any moment now. There is a plethora of reasons for why this is the case, though. On August 23rd of last year, the foreign ministers of the USSR and Hitler's Germany, Molotov and Ribbentrop respectively, signed a non-aggression pact between the two countries, and divided Europe into Soviet and German spheres of influence. This pact was not just an event - it was the consequence of a long relationship. And it didn't end there. So far the USSR and the Third Reich are still friendly, constantly trading raw materials for engineers and experts. That's something the Western allies have to take in mind.

Even before the start of the war, the Red Army has been receiving major expansions. The personnel skyrocketed, and during the point of time I am writing this, it has already reached 2 million standing. In 1938, three mechanized corps were organized, and this month, Stalin sent a decree to organize five more. It's hard to determine for what the Soviets are preparing for, or more exactly, which side are they going to join for their own selfish purposes. Anyway, this military expansion was followed and a part of the third Five-Year Plan, which was in it's height. Nine new aircraft factories, ordered by Gosplan in 1939, have finished construction this month and were now functional. All in all, heavy industry expansion was in it's highest. It was easy to determine that the SU was preparing for a war. Whether it will be a break of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact or an invasion towards the Middle East with plans to capture Bosphorus and the Persian oil fields - that'll be determined by future events and what Stalin feels like doing with his country the most.

However, much more interesting news came from the Soviet Union's western border. According to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the three Baltic states - Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia - were to be under a Soviet sphere of influence. Stalin used that wisely. Right now, the majority of the world's media was focused on the war in Western Europe. If the Soviets annex these three states now, there would be not that much publicity. And even then - there was nothing that the West could do. Right now, they are already struggling with the Reich. From their point of view, the USSR is surprisingly supportive of Hitler, what with the joint invasion of Poland and constant trade between the nations. Condemning the annexation or even sending military help could sway it even closer to Germany. And Stalin himself could use that as a rationale to march through Persia and Turkey towards the British colonies in the Middle East and India. Germany was bound by the non-aggression pact, and even Stalin did not expect Hitler to break it so soon, when his armies are still not prepared.

So the Baltics were alone. Semyon Timoshenko was ordered to command the amassed Baltic troops - 5 divisions and supporting units from the 3rd and 11th Armies - around 200,000 troops, 1,500 tanks and 1,100 airplanes, with command in Lida and Pastavy and troops deployed right next to the Lithuania-Soviet Union border. Hospitals for wounded and prisoner-of-war camps were prepared. Lithuania was going to be first - if it falls first, then Latvia and Estonia, who would not have a border with any other nation that the Soviets, won't even try to fight. Molotov was ordered to write the ultimatum and present it to Lithuania's ambassador in Moscow. The message is as follows:

FROM: The Ministry of External Relations of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
TO: The Republic of Lithuania

It is no secret that through the recent years, the relations between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Republic of Lithuania have deteriorated, so drastically that the People's Commisars have to take action. According to our intelligence information, not only have there been constant harassment and kidnapping of Soviet troops from the military bases estabilished in your lands with the lawful Soviet-Lithuanian Mutual Assistance Treaty of October 1939 (and one of the three kidnapped soldiers, Butayev, was executed), but there were provocations of our soldiers ordered by some of the personas in the Lithuanian Government. Minister of the Interior, Kazys Skučas, and Director of State Security Department Augustinas Povilaitis come to mind. Not to mention that there are traces of a planned anti-Soviet alliance between your nation, Latvia and Estonia, with Germany there in the mix too. As such, the Ministry of External Relations of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics has sent you these demands:

1. Skučas and Povilaitis have to be put on trial for ordering the Soviet soldiers to be kidnapped.
2. A new government, more capable of adhering to the Mutual Protection Treaty, has to be formed, with Soviet supervision. Justas Paleckis for organizing it, according to us, would be a good candidate.
3. A sufficiently large number of Soviet troops have to be allowed to enter Lithuanian territory, both to oversee the formation of a new government and further protection.
4. An answer must be given until 10:00 in the morning. That makes 12 hours.

Sincerely,
Vyacheslav Molotov

Molotov also added that if the ultimatum is denied or ignored, Soviet troops will enter Lithuania and place Paleckis anyway, except then it will be much more bloodier, and wished "good luck". It was essentially a demand to make Lithuania a Soviet puppet and occupy the territory. Not annex it yet - that'll come a bit later. (August 3rd in real life)

Meanwhile, Soviet soldiers began actions at the border. They started harassing civilians and interrogating border guards, hoping to provoke a retaliation that would serve as a rationale for a full-scale military attack.

I'm not new - I am actually an experienced P2TMer in hiding under this account.

[Zelent]

So, is the USA open now?

[Protector Galactics]

Sample post? Okay, this is the first post I would post in the IC:

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Союз Советских Социалистических Республик

The war is raging in Western Europe, and quite contrary to what one would assume, the Soviet Union has so far taken a much more isolationist stance than what one would think of a nation which claims to be ready to "free" Europe from capitalist control at any moment now. There is a plethora of reasons for why this is the case, though. On August 23rd of last year, the foreign ministers of the USSR and Hitler's Germany, Molotov and Ribbentrop respectively, signed a non-aggression pact between the two countries, and divided Europe into Soviet and German spheres of influence. This pact was not just an event - it was the consequence of a long relationship. And it didn't end there. So far the USSR and the Third Reich are still friendly, constantly trading raw materials for engineers and experts. That's something the Western allies have to take in mind.

Even before the start of the war, the Red Army has been receiving major expansions. The personnel skyrocketed, and during the point of time I am writing this, it has already reached 2 million standing. In 1938, three mechanized corps were organized, and this month, Stalin sent a decree to organize five more. It's hard to determine for what the Soviets are preparing for, or more exactly, which side are they going to join for their own selfish purposes. Anyway, this military expansion was followed and a part of the third Five-Year Plan, which was in it's height. Nine new aircraft factories, ordered by Gosplan in 1939, have finished construction this month and were now functional. All in all, heavy industry expansion was in it's highest. It was easy to determine that the SU was preparing for a war. Whether it will be a break of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact or an invasion towards the Middle East with plans to capture Bosphorus and the Persian oil fields - that'll be determined by future events and what Stalin feels like doing with his country the most.

However, much more interesting news came from the Soviet Union's western border. According to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the three Baltic states - Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia - were to be under a Soviet sphere of influence. Stalin used that wisely. Right now, the majority of the world's media was focused on the war in Western Europe. If the Soviets annex these three states now, there would be not that much publicity. And even then - there was nothing that the West could do. Right now, they are already struggling with the Reich. From their point of view, the USSR is surprisingly supportive of Hitler, what with the joint invasion of Poland and constant trade between the nations. Condemning the annexation or even sending military help could sway it even closer to Germany. And Stalin himself could use that as a rationale to march through Persia and Turkey towards the British colonies in the Middle East and India. Germany was bound by the non-aggression pact, and even Stalin did not expect Hitler to break it so soon, when his armies are still not prepared.

So the Baltics were alone. Semyon Timoshenko was ordered to command the amassed Baltic troops - 5 divisions and supporting units from the 3rd and 11th Armies - around 200,000 troops, 1,500 tanks and 1,100 airplanes, with command in Lida and Pastavy and troops deployed right next to the Lithuania-Soviet Union border. Hospitals for wounded and prisoner-of-war camps were prepared. Lithuania was going to be first - if it falls first, then Latvia and Estonia, who would not have a border with any other nation that the Soviets, won't even try to fight. Molotov was ordered to write the ultimatum and present it to Lithuania's ambassador in Moscow. The message is as follows:

(Image)

FROM: The Ministry of External Relations of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
TO: The Republic of Lithuania

It is no secret that through the recent years, the relations between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Republic of Lithuania have deteriorated, so drastically that the People's Commisars have to take action. According to our intelligence information, not only have there been constant harassment and kidnapping of Soviet troops from the military bases estabilished in your lands with the lawful Soviet-Lithuanian Mutual Assistance Treaty of October 1939 (and one of the three kidnapped soldiers, Butayev, was executed), but there were provocations of our soldiers ordered by some of the personas in the Lithuanian Government. Minister of the Interior, Kazys Skučas, and Director of State Security Department Augustinas Povilaitis come to mind. Not to mention that there are traces of a planned anti-Soviet alliance between your nation, Latvia and Estonia, with Germany there in the mix too. As such, the Ministry of External Relations of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics has sent you these demands:

1. Skučas and Povilaitis have to be put on trial for ordering the Soviet soldiers to be kidnapped.
2. A new government, more capable of adhering to the Mutual Protection Treaty, has to be formed, with Soviet supervision. Justas Paleckis for organizing it, according to us, would be a good candidate.
3. A sufficiently large number of Soviet troops have to be allowed to enter Lithuanian territory, both to oversee the formation of a new government and further protection.
4. An answer must be given until 10:00 in the morning. That makes 12 hours.

Sincerely,
Vyacheslav Molotov

Molotov also added that if the ultimatum is denied or ignored, Soviet troops will enter Lithuania and place Paleckis anyway, except then it will be much more bloodier, and wished "good luck". It was essentially a demand to make Lithuania a Soviet puppet and occupy the territory. Not annex it yet - that'll come a bit later. (August 3rd in real life)

Meanwhile, Soviet soldiers began actions at the border. They started harassing civilians and interrogating border guards, hoping to provoke a retaliation that would serve as a rationale for a full-scale military attack.

I'm not new - I am actually an experienced P2TMer in hiding under this account.

This is actually impressive. You pass.

[In-Exile]

Sample post? Okay, this is the first post I would post in the IC:

(Image)

Союз Советских Социалистических Республик

The war is raging in Western Europe, and quite contrary to what one would assume, the Soviet Union has so far taken a much more isolationist stance than what one would think of a nation which claims to be ready to "free" Europe from capitalist control at any moment now. There is a plethora of reasons for why this is the case, though. On August 23rd of last year, the foreign ministers of the USSR and Hitler's Germany, Molotov and Ribbentrop respectively, signed a non-aggression pact between the two countries, and divided Europe into Soviet and German spheres of influence. This pact was not just an event - it was the consequence of a long relationship. And it didn't end there. So far the USSR and the Third Reich are still friendly, constantly trading raw materials for engineers and experts. That's something the Western allies have to take in mind.

Even before the start of the war, the Red Army has been receiving major expansions. The personnel skyrocketed, and during the point of time I am writing this, it has already reached 2 million standing. In 1938, three mechanized corps were organized, and this month, Stalin sent a decree to organize five more. It's hard to determine for what the Soviets are preparing for, or more exactly, which side are they going to join for their own selfish purposes. Anyway, this military expansion was followed and a part of the third Five-Year Plan, which was in it's height. Nine new aircraft factories, ordered by Gosplan in 1939, have finished construction this month and were now functional. All in all, heavy industry expansion was in it's highest. It was easy to determine that the SU was preparing for a war. Whether it will be a break of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact or an invasion towards the Middle East with plans to capture Bosphorus and the Persian oil fields - that'll be determined by future events and what Stalin feels like doing with his country the most.

However, much more interesting news came from the Soviet Union's western border. According to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the three Baltic states - Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia - were to be under a Soviet sphere of influence. Stalin used that wisely. Right now, the majority of the world's media was focused on the war in Western Europe. If the Soviets annex these three states now, there would be not that much publicity. And even then - there was nothing that the West could do. Right now, they are already struggling with the Reich. From their point of view, the USSR is surprisingly supportive of Hitler, what with the joint invasion of Poland and constant trade between the nations. Condemning the annexation or even sending military help could sway it even closer to Germany. And Stalin himself could use that as a rationale to march through Persia and Turkey towards the British colonies in the Middle East and India. Germany was bound by the non-aggression pact, and even Stalin did not expect Hitler to break it so soon, when his armies are still not prepared.

So the Baltics were alone. Semyon Timoshenko was ordered to command the amassed Baltic troops - 5 divisions and supporting units from the 3rd and 11th Armies - around 200,000 troops, 1,500 tanks and 1,100 airplanes, with command in Lida and Pastavy and troops deployed right next to the Lithuania-Soviet Union border. Hospitals for wounded and prisoner-of-war camps were prepared. Lithuania was going to be first - if it falls first, then Latvia and Estonia, who would not have a border with any other nation that the Soviets, won't even try to fight. Molotov was ordered to write the ultimatum and present it to Lithuania's ambassador in Moscow. The message is as follows:

(Image)

FROM: The Ministry of External Relations of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
TO: The Republic of Lithuania

It is no secret that through the recent years, the relations between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Republic of Lithuania have deteriorated, so drastically that the People's Commisars have to take action. According to our intelligence information, not only have there been constant harassment and kidnapping of Soviet troops from the military bases estabilished in your lands with the lawful Soviet-Lithuanian Mutual Assistance Treaty of October 1939 (and one of the three kidnapped soldiers, Butayev, was executed), but there were provocations of our soldiers ordered by some of the personas in the Lithuanian Government. Minister of the Interior, Kazys Skučas, and Director of State Security Department Augustinas Povilaitis come to mind. Not to mention that there are traces of a planned anti-Soviet alliance between your nation, Latvia and Estonia, with Germany there in the mix too. As such, the Ministry of External Relations of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics has sent you these demands:

1. Skučas and Povilaitis have to be put on trial for ordering the Soviet soldiers to be kidnapped.
2. A new government, more capable of adhering to the Mutual Protection Treaty, has to be formed, with Soviet supervision. Justas Paleckis for organizing it, according to us, would be a good candidate.
3. A sufficiently large number of Soviet troops have to be allowed to enter Lithuanian territory, both to oversee the formation of a new government and further protection.
4. An answer must be given until 10:00 in the morning. That makes 12 hours.

Sincerely,
Vyacheslav Molotov

Molotov also added that if the ultimatum is denied or ignored, Soviet troops will enter Lithuania and place Paleckis anyway, except then it will be much more bloodier, and wished "good luck". It was essentially a demand to make Lithuania a Soviet puppet and occupy the territory. Not annex it yet - that'll come a bit later. (August 3rd in real life)

Meanwhile, Soviet soldiers began actions at the border. They started harassing civilians and interrogating border guards, hoping to provoke a retaliation that would serve as a rationale for a full-scale military attack.

I'm not new - I am actually an experienced P2TMer in hiding under this account.

This is actually impressive. You pass.

Alright, give me a moment (writing a post for an another thread) and I'll post it in the IC.

[Nivok Baves]

I think that following a war that large would limit just how much your military could do

I didn't go to war. I deleted it all and made an alternative path.

Even so Argentina wouldn't have '2 massive fleets'

[Nivok Baves]

Oh no, I need to change flag before Nivok sees

Why do that? It's a great source of comedy

[Protector Galactics]

I didn't go to war. I deleted it all and made an alternative path.

Even so Argentina wouldn't have '2 massive fleets'

It's not really that massive just 12 ships in total.

[Nivok Baves]

Even so Argentina wouldn't have '2 massive fleets'

It's not really that massive just 12 ships in total.

You would do well to have written that in the post.

[The democratic empire]

b]NS Name:[/b]U.A.F
Nation Name: (You are encouraged to include both its formal name and its informal name).U.A.F, the United Arabian Federation
Head of State. Abdul-Aziz
Head of Government. Abdul-Aziz
Flag:
Claims: (The official territory of your country) the entire Arabian peninsula

Government Form: monarchy
Ideology: (Political, not economic)Pan-Arabism
Foreign Policy: (How does your nation see the world? What is its stance or position on issues outside its country?) sometimes very isolationist and sometimes aggressive.
Civil Freedoms /10:8
Political Freedoms /10:4
Economic Freedoms /10:9

Military Name: Arab Armed Forces
Military Size: 45,000

Description of Your Nation's Economy: a industrialized capitalist economy run by oil.
Description of Your Nation's Government: a strong organized central bureaucratic but small government

Alternate History: (Explain what has differed from the original timeline. Remember no AH on important nations.). Abdul-Aziz was a grand pan-arabism supporter who unified Arabia with luck, nationalism and diplomacy. He was able to not only unite in 1930 but also industrialized setting fourth his five-years plan. He liberalized the social services like education,health and also at an extent supported industrial infrastructure and law&order with a large deficit to tackle.
RP Sample:

[Marsisian]

Seems a bit unrealistic.

[The democratic empire]

Seems a bit unrealistic.

was it the alternate history or the economy?