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Postby Marsisian » Tue May 12, 2015 6:18 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Police as in the army.


So in a way, the army will be fighting against the coup?

Nope. Not at all.
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Postby Benian Republic » Tue May 12, 2015 6:20 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:
So in a way, the army will be fighting against the coup?

Nope. Not at all.

So once I succeed in the coup the army will be able to be a real force.
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Postby Marsisian » Tue May 12, 2015 6:21 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Nope. Not at all.

So once I succeed in the coup the army will be able to be a real force.

Indeed.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Tue May 12, 2015 6:21 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:
So in a way, the army will be fighting against the coup?

Nope. Not at all.


But wasn't it agreed thought that the army was also the police?
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Tue May 12, 2015 6:22 pm

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Marsisian wrote:Nope. Not at all.

So once I succeed in the coup the army will be able to be a real force.

I'm not sure what you mean here. The army is a real force.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Tue May 12, 2015 6:22 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Nope. Not at all.

So once I succeed in the coup the army will be able to be a real force.


Yes, Black Phoenix will provide quite a bit of support with your rise to power. Although your character won't know it.
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Postby Benian Republic » Tue May 12, 2015 6:23 pm

Neo-Chicago wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:So once I succeed in the coup the army will be able to be a real force.

I'm not sure what you mean here. The army is a real force.

I intend to make it very powerful like give it up to 9% GDP or even more.
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Postby Marsisian » Tue May 12, 2015 6:23 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Nope. Not at all.


But wasn't it agreed thought that the army was also the police?

It is. The army performs a double role. And the army will not be opposing this coup, so the police and army will not provide resistance. We can't take the casualties anyway.
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Tue May 12, 2015 6:24 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Neo-Chicago wrote:I'm not sure what you mean here. The army is a real force.

I intend to make it very powerful like give it up to 9% GDP or even more.

This is all I have to say.
Neo-Chicago wrote:My (and by extension, James Nicholas Andrews') opinion on the budget of Columbia. I'll post my other opinions at a convenient time.

Education - 20%
Healthcare - 10%
Welfare - 5%
Military - 18%
Law & Order - 30%
Infrastructure - 5%
Subsidies - 5%
Public Transport - 0% (Private "Public" Transportation, like taxis would be more viable.)
Environment & Industrial Regulation - 2% (As much as I don't want radioactive sludge left and right, lower standards here would appeal to corporations. Still some, though.)
Administration - 5%
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Tue May 12, 2015 6:24 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:
But wasn't it agreed thought that the army was also the police?

It is. The army performs a double role. And the army will not be opposing this coup, so the police and army will not provide resistance. We can't take the casualties anyway.


I see.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Tue May 12, 2015 6:25 pm

some one should probably post something. If we ever do want to progress to the point in which a coup is feasible that is.
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Tue May 12, 2015 6:26 pm

Read the post above your two, Cristo, on here.
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Postby Terrelis » Tue May 12, 2015 6:34 pm

We shouldn't be having any coups this early on, and there's no way the entire military is just going to sit around and let a coup happen. Yes some might be loyal to the General but not all of them will just sit back and watch.

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Postby Neo-Chicago » Tue May 12, 2015 6:35 pm

I really don't see why the militaristic nationalists want a coup in the first place, after looking at the current administration's view on the budget, that's four or five posts above this one.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Tue May 12, 2015 6:35 pm

Neo-Chicago wrote:Read the post above your two, Cristo, on here.


I know, which is why I believe that the coup should occur later on when we are a stronger nation
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Postby Marsisian » Tue May 12, 2015 6:36 pm

Terrelis wrote:We shouldn't be having any coups this early on, and there's no way the entire military is just going to sit around and let a coup happen. Yes some might be loyal to the General but not all of them will just sit back and watch.

The military is apolitical. It has no place in politics and most don't care and don't want to get themselves killed for a government they don't have any strict loyalty to. All of them will sit back and watch. If they get more money in the new administration, they'd be even less willing to fight for the old one.
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Tue May 12, 2015 6:39 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Neo-Chicago wrote:Read the post above your two, Cristo, on here.


I know, which is why I believe that the coup should occur later on when we are a stronger nation

No, I'm saying that the current administration's views on the military budget are the same if not stronger than the Nationalists'.
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Postby Terrelis » Tue May 12, 2015 6:39 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Terrelis wrote:We shouldn't be having any coups this early on, and there's no way the entire military is just going to sit around and let a coup happen. Yes some might be loyal to the General but not all of them will just sit back and watch.

The military is apolitical. It has no place in politics and most don't care and don't want to get themselves killed for a government they don't have any strict loyalty to. All of them will sit back and watch. If they get more money in the new administration, they'd be even less willing to fight for the old one.

That's makes absolutely no sense, the entire point of the military is to defend the nation. If they have no loyalty then why would they be in the military. It is completely illogical for the entire military to sit back and let a coup happen when the government has done absolutely nothing against the military. We haven't made a budget so you can't say we don't give them enough funding and they have quite abbot of power so, you have no reason to support a coup.

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Postby Marsisian » Tue May 12, 2015 6:39 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Neo-Chicago wrote:I'm not sure what you mean here. The army is a real force.

I intend to make it very powerful like give it up to 9% GDP or even more.

That isn't enough.
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Tue May 12, 2015 6:41 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:I intend to make it very powerful like give it up to 9% GDP or even more.

That isn't enough.

The nation is currently giving it double that.
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Tue May 12, 2015 6:42 pm

Benian, read my post. The government's currently giving the military double what you propose.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Tue May 12, 2015 6:42 pm

Neo-Chicago wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:
I know, which is why I believe that the coup should occur later on when we are a stronger nation

No, I'm saying that the current administration's views on the military budget are the same if not stronger than the Nationalists'.


No I meant the story, let us post so we can further progress into the story, therefore getting closer towards the coup. Although we must go slow, preferably after elections.
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Postby Benian Republic » Tue May 12, 2015 6:42 pm

someone please critique my post I want to get better, keep in mind it was hastily written.
Oh and ill raise the military budget to 30 ;)
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Postby Marsisian » Tue May 12, 2015 6:43 pm

Terrelis wrote:
Marsisian wrote:The military is apolitical. It has no place in politics and most don't care and don't want to get themselves killed for a government they don't have any strict loyalty to. All of them will sit back and watch. If they get more money in the new administration, they'd be even less willing to fight for the old one.

That's makes absolutely no sense, the entire point of the military is to defend the nation. If they have no loyalty then why would they be in the military. It is completely illogical for the entire military to sit back and let a coup happen when the government has done absolutely nothing against the military. We haven't made a budget so you can't say we don't give them enough funding and they have quite abbot of power so, you have no reason to support a coup.

Mercenaries do not care what their orders are as long as they get what they came there for: money. The General won't do anything against the coup, so the mercenaries won't do anything against it as well. Plus they don't want to get themselves killed for a government they have no loyalty to. The volunteers won't side with the former government for the fear of being hunted down if the coup succeeds and the definite possibility of being outnumbered by the coup's supporters.

Bigger budget equals bigger wages for the mercenaries and volunteers alike.
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Tue May 12, 2015 6:46 pm

Benian Republic, I'm going to outright say no here. I specifically said in the rules not to do anything ridiculous. My only problem with your post is:

Benian Republic wrote:he was able to acquire more than 2,500 AK47's and a vast amount of small arms and home made explosives.

You need to make a series of posts detailing how you obtain the guns, the explosives, how you prepare for the attack. You can attack us, but not without proper preparation.
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