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Republic of the Cristo
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Fri May 22, 2015 4:59 pm

Marsisian wrote:Also, answer me this, there is absolutely no guarantee if anybody at all will join the Columbian military. The entirety of our armed force consists of mercenaries. If nobody's going to join and all of the mercenaries leave, guess what? We have no defense whatsoever even against bandits or marauders. Maybe we'll get a dozen, maybe even twenty volunteers, but that isn't much or remotely enough for any duties whatsoever.


One of my character's running points for senate is civilian military.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri May 22, 2015 5:35 pm

Neo-Chicago wrote:Everyone who's running for president, declare today or tomorrow in the IC, elections are on Sunday. By the way, they're usually referred to as the 2016 or 2014 elections because that's when the voting itself takes place.

People running for Senate, just declare that your party is running, since we'd never get done with 150 declarations to run.


Well I think my post illustrates that my Faction will be contesting elections, but since you insist:

THE NATIONAL CIVIC FACTION OFFICIALLY DECLARES IT WILL RUN FOR ELECTIONS
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Fri May 22, 2015 5:54 pm

Dezmond Noble is running for senate.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri May 22, 2015 6:28 pm

Marsisian wrote:Also, answer me this, there is absolutely no guarantee if anybody at all will join the Columbian military. The entirety of our armed force consists of mercenaries. If nobody's going to join and all of the mercenaries leave, guess what? We have no defense whatsoever even against bandits or marauders. Maybe we'll get a dozen, maybe even twenty volunteers, but that isn't much or remotely enough for any duties whatsoever.


There are plenty of former soldiers currently living here and as usual plenty of young militant individuals who would happily join the armed forces just like in any nation there is on earth. It may take a while but eventually there will be some, at least 1-2% of the population(which is the norm) leaving the military at 150-300 personnel which is normal for a nation of are size. Especially considering most nations are size do not even have armed forces at all, instead most countries are size just have very well armed police forces who theoretically could be used for defensive purposes but would be unable to be used outside of national boundaries.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri May 22, 2015 6:29 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:Dezmond Noble is running for senate.


Solomon Daniels alongside Albert Ross will both be running for Senate.
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Fri May 22, 2015 6:31 pm

I'd prefer you guys to declare in the IC...
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Fri May 22, 2015 6:32 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Also, answer me this, there is absolutely no guarantee if anybody at all will join the Columbian military. The entirety of our armed force consists of mercenaries. If nobody's going to join and all of the mercenaries leave, guess what? We have no defense whatsoever even against bandits or marauders. Maybe we'll get a dozen, maybe even twenty volunteers, but that isn't much or remotely enough for any duties whatsoever.


There are plenty of former soldiers currently living here and as usual plenty of young militant individuals who would happily join the armed forces just like in any nation there is on earth. It may take a while but eventually there will be some, at least 1-2% of the population(which is the norm) leaving the military at 150-300 personnel which is normal for a nation of are size. Especially considering most nations are size do not even have armed forces at all, instead most countries are size just have very well armed police forces who theoretically could be used for defensive purposes but would be unable to be used outside of national boundaries.


His idea is that no one is patriotic enough about our military. I think he is dead wrong. Obviously people truly believe in our nation if 25,000 people were willing to move here. They believed that a better and stoic society could be set up here. So, why would they not wish to defend it? My character will heavily push for a military made up of the common man, and will fight heavily against any use of pmc's in our armed forces.

Also, Neo-Chicago, I did.
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Postby Red Party » Fri May 22, 2015 6:38 pm

I'm running for senate
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Fri May 22, 2015 7:54 pm

So, how do we figure out whom won seats in the senate? Also, how many?

Also, Terralis. Has my commercial aired?
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Postby Terrelis » Fri May 22, 2015 7:58 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:So, how do we figure out whom won seats in the senate? Also, how many?

Also, Terralis. Has my commercial aired?

Yes it's been 5 months it's aired plenty of times

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Postby Neo-Chicago » Fri May 22, 2015 7:58 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:So, how do we figure out whom won seats in the senate? Also, how many?

Also, Terralis. Has my commercial aired?

On the IC thread, I'll put up a list of the parties running for Senate, plus Independent. If 20 people vote, and the Hypothetical Party (really hate those guys) wins four votes, they get thirty seats, one fifth of 150.
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Postby Marsisian » Fri May 22, 2015 7:59 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Kazarogkai wrote:
There are plenty of former soldiers currently living here and as usual plenty of young militant individuals who would happily join the armed forces just like in any nation there is on earth. It may take a while but eventually there will be some, at least 1-2% of the population(which is the norm) leaving the military at 150-300 personnel which is normal for a nation of are size. Especially considering most nations are size do not even have armed forces at all, instead most countries are size just have very well armed police forces who theoretically could be used for defensive purposes but would be unable to be used outside of national boundaries.


His idea is that no one is patriotic enough about our military. I think he is dead wrong. Obviously people truly believe in our nation if 25,000 people were willing to move here. They believed that a better and stoic society could be set up here. So, why would they not wish to defend it? My character will heavily push for a military made up of the common man, and will fight heavily against any use of pmc's in our armed forces.

Also, Neo-Chicago, I did.

They came here to make a difference in politics or change their lives for the better, not standing around all day guarding something or walk in the desert for hours.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Fri May 22, 2015 8:02 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:
His idea is that no one is patriotic enough about our military. I think he is dead wrong. Obviously people truly believe in our nation if 25,000 people were willing to move here. They believed that a better and stoic society could be set up here. So, why would they not wish to defend it? My character will heavily push for a military made up of the common man, and will fight heavily against any use of pmc's in our armed forces.

Also, Neo-Chicago, I did.

They came here to make a difference in politics or change their lives for the better, not standing around all day guarding something or walk in the desert for hours.


Would they not want to protect their chance at a new way and ideal of life? They are obviously devoted, so, I think they would.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri May 22, 2015 8:04 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Kazarogkai wrote:
There are plenty of former soldiers currently living here and as usual plenty of young militant individuals who would happily join the armed forces just like in any nation there is on earth. It may take a while but eventually there will be some, at least 1-2% of the population(which is the norm) leaving the military at 150-300 personnel which is normal for a nation of are size. Especially considering most nations are size do not even have armed forces at all, instead most countries are size just have very well armed police forces who theoretically could be used for defensive purposes but would be unable to be used outside of national boundaries.


His idea is that no one is patriotic enough about our military. I think he is dead wrong. Obviously people truly believe in our nation if 25,000 people were willing to move here. They believed that a better and stoic society could be set up here. So, why would they not wish to defend it? My character will heavily push for a military made up of the common man, and will fight heavily against any use of pmc's in our armed forces.

Also, Neo-Chicago, I did.


The population started off at 15,000 at the beginning of the Rp I doubt it would have increased to 25,000 in the roughly single year we have been playing.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri May 22, 2015 8:05 pm

Neo-Chicago wrote:I'd prefer you guys to declare in the IC...


Kinda already did, stated the NCF had made it's Senate Seat Roster and that Solomon and Albert were at the top of said list.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Fri May 22, 2015 8:05 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:
His idea is that no one is patriotic enough about our military. I think he is dead wrong. Obviously people truly believe in our nation if 25,000 people were willing to move here. They believed that a better and stoic society could be set up here. So, why would they not wish to defend it? My character will heavily push for a military made up of the common man, and will fight heavily against any use of pmc's in our armed forces.

Also, Neo-Chicago, I did.


The population started off at 15,000 at the beginning of the Rp I doubt it would have increased to 25,000 in the roughly single year we have been playing.


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Postby Marsisian » Fri May 22, 2015 8:08 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Marsisian wrote:They came here to make a difference in politics or change their lives for the better, not standing around all day guarding something or walk in the desert for hours.


Would they not want to protect their chance at a new way and ideal of life? They are obviously devoted, so, I think they would.

No, not really. They would be more supportive of mercenaries doing the work for them.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri May 22, 2015 8:10 pm

Neo-Chicago wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:So, how do we figure out whom won seats in the senate? Also, how many?

Also, Terralis. Has my commercial aired?

On the IC thread, I'll put up a list of the parties running for Senate, plus Independent. If 20 people vote, and the Hypothetical Party (really hate those guys) wins four votes, they get thirty seats, one fifth of 150.


Proporotional representation, that is something I can approve of :)

Now all we need is to replace the current FPTP system for the president with the IRV system and we would be set.
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Postby Terrelis » Fri May 22, 2015 8:15 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Would they not want to protect their chance at a new way and ideal of life? They are obviously devoted, so, I think they would.

No, not really. They would be more supportive of mercenaries doing the work for them.

No they wouldn't, why would they support paying people to protect then when they can protect themselves.

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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Fri May 22, 2015 8:18 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Would they not want to protect their chance at a new way and ideal of life? They are obviously devoted, so, I think they would.

No, not really. They would be more supportive of mercenaries doing the work for them.


The majority of people would not want hired guns to protect them. The obvious reason being that they don't serve the people, rather a paycheck. I would much rather join the military myself than have some foreigner be paid to do it for me. There is always that mistrust factor.
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Fri May 22, 2015 8:26 pm

Sorry I didn't write something clever for the independents, it's pretty late.
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Postby Marsisian » Fri May 22, 2015 8:32 pm

Terrelis wrote:
Marsisian wrote:No, not really. They would be more supportive of mercenaries doing the work for them.

No they wouldn't, why would they support paying people to protect then when they can protect themselves.

They wouldn't protect themselves because they don't want to protect themselves and the ones that do are woefully outnumbered.
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Postby Marsisian » Fri May 22, 2015 8:33 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Marsisian wrote:No, not really. They would be more supportive of mercenaries doing the work for them.


The majority of people would not want hired guns to protect them. The obvious reason being that they don't serve the people, rather a paycheck. I would much rather join the military myself than have some foreigner be paid to do it for me. There is always that mistrust factor.

Would you want a number of professional, trained soldiers who may (very unlikely) betray you in exchange for more money (who would do this? North Korea?) or want a group of 30 people who want to protect themselves armed with shotguns?
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Fri May 22, 2015 8:37 pm

Cristo, that act passed months ago. It's a reality, not some distant future. We don't rely on hired guns anymore.
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Postby Marsisian » Fri May 22, 2015 8:41 pm

Neo-Chicago wrote:Cristo, that act passed months ago. It's a reality, not some distant future. We don't rely on hired guns anymore.

What?
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