Iron and Steel;19th Century AH [Dead being rebooted]

[Soviet Chernarus]

I love how every one has Ironclads, YET they weren't invented till the 1850's

Woah, we have ironclads already? Then the royal navy probably has a few of them

[The New American commonwealth]

I love how every one has Ironclads, YET they weren't invented till the 1850's

Woah, we have ironclads already? Then the royal navy probably has a few of them

*sniffles*
And I'm here with 6 wooden frigates....
Wait...
IRONCLADS!
N.D SAID WE WERE USING 1820S TECHNOLOGY!

[Kosovo12345]

can uk and germany jsut come to damn Delhi so we can ahve a meeting and i can buy some ships lol?

[Benuty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwJj2EpC8vg

So found the theme for Gabriel Prosser (in memory to his years of servitude on the plantation in Virginia), and their army of ex-slaves as they stomp on the faces of slavers (with the Louisiana Territory expansion there most certainly will be an issue with slaves as was in real life).

Oh don't ye worry, the Missouri Compromise is going to happen, so the Slave States shall be limited to the South.
Also, think of invading me, and this is going to be my theme.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7VLTqGCOC8

Well its more the other way around since I don't support Manifest Destiny due to the fact the native civilizations within my borders like not being victims of Death's Scythe.

I suppose the Mexicans feel different about it, but take the position Mexico had in real life towards attempted (and ultimately) successful U.S expansion.

[Reddogkeno101]

What the hell, since when did we have ironclads? They aren't around for another good 50 years.

[Vicavian Empire]

What the hell, since when did we have ironclads? They aren't around for another good 50 years.

30 actaully, since technology shifted forward 20 years.

And when I wrote that I had ironclads, i meant larger and more modern turtle boats, thicker plating, modern guns, and a larger superstructure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_ship)
unless the op says otherwise, I guess we have civil war-era ironclads

[Reddogkeno101]

What the hell, since when did we have ironclads? They aren't around for another good 50 years.

30 actaully, since technology shifted forward 20 years.

And when I wrote that I had ironclads, i meant larger and more modern turtle boats, thicker plating, modern guns, and a larger superstructure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_ship)
unless the op says otherwise, I guess we have civil war-era ironclads

If I go to the wikipedia page, it says that 20-40 units deployed, which means that there are not that many considering that unknown number sank in Battle of Sacheon (1592).
I really would press the OP to ban Ironclads.

[The Danish Confederacy]

Well,lets do a poll on it

[Vicavian Empire]

30 actaully, since technology shifted forward 20 years.

And when I wrote that I had ironclads, i meant larger and more modern turtle boats, thicker plating, modern guns, and a larger superstructure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_ship)
unless the op says otherwise, I guess we have civil war-era ironclads

If I go to the wikipedia page, it says that 20-40 units deployed, which means that there are not that many considering that unknown number sank in Battle of Sacheon (1592).
I really would press the OP to ban Ironclads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sacheon_(1592)
note no korean loses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chilcheollyang
note the complete destruction of the korean navy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Noryang
note the near return to full strength of the korean navy after a year even as japan occupied the entire south portion of korea, a non-industrialized korea could do that in a year, imagine what a non-industrialized korea could do in 200 years with a strong leader and military prgoram *cough* my alt history *cough*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_i ... .931598.29

In my alternate history, korea has had the economic and technological means for 200 years to build up and improve their navy. It is not unfeasible that korea would upgrade the ship's design and build up 50 of these ships

[Reddogkeno101]

Well,lets do a poll on it

No. Enough polls. The OP needs to be decisive. Either Ironclads are in or they are out. IRL they weren't a thing till the 1860's. So I personally stand against it.

[Vicavian Empire]

Well,lets do a poll on it

No. Enough polls. The OP needs to be decisive. Either Ironclads are in or they are out. IRL they weren't a thing till the 1860's. So I personally stand against it.

Perhaps I should have said armored warships instead of ironclads
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-indust ... ured_ships

[The New American commonwealth]

*taps desk*
How long till we enter march?

[Am3rican Socialist R3publics]

No. Enough polls. The OP needs to be decisive. Either Ironclads are in or they are out. IRL they weren't a thing till the 1860's. So I personally stand against it.

Perhaps I should have said armored warships instead of ironclads
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-indust ... ured_ships

Since everybody seems to be interested in Iron-Clads how about some VERY EARLY submarines. By which I mean only one or two per country and even then they would be very unreliable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_submarines#Early_submarines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submersible)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus_(1800_submarine)

[Reddogkeno101]

Perhaps I should have said armored warships instead of ironclads
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-indust ... ured_ships

Since everybody seems to be interested in Iron-Clads how about some VERY EARLY submarines. By which I mean only one or two per country and even then they would be very unreliable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_submarines#Early_submarines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submersible)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus_(1800_submarine)

No. If that happens, I'm out.

[Vicavian Empire]

Since everybody seems to be interested in Iron-Clads how about some VERY EARLY submarines. By which I mean only one or two per country and even then they would be very unreliable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_submarines#Early_submarines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submersible)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus_(1800_submarine)

No. If that happens, I'm out.

I agree, armored warships i'm ok with, mainly since they existed and were tested in battle, but submarines are too far fetched especially since they failed in battle.

[Am3rican Socialist R3publics]

No. If that happens, I'm out.

I agree, armored warships i'm ok with, mainly since they existed and were tested in battle, but submarines are too far fetched especially since they failed in battle.

But they did exist, the fact that they failed in battle is why I said unreliable, there is no reason we cannot try to develop more reliable submarines. Just because they failed in battle in real life does not mean we can't have them in an alt history.

[Vicavian Empire]

I agree, armored warships i'm ok with, mainly since they existed and were tested in battle, but submarines are too far fetched especially since they failed in battle.

But they did exist, the fact that they failed in battle is why I said unreliable, there is no reason we cannot try to develop more reliable submarines. Just because they failed in battle in real life does not mean we can't have them in an alt history.

Armored warships were deployed in large numbers because they did help in war, there would be no point in developing submarines now, especially since we don,t have radio

[New Decius]

Alright what is the argument!

[The Danish Confederacy]

Its about Ironclads,submarines,and armoured ships

[The New Byzantine]

Its about Ironclads,submarines,and armoured ships

If that exist in this RP, I'm out.

French, Germans, and Anglo-Dutch "pirate" ships will destroy everything.

[New Decius]

Armored ships and submarines are not invented yet! They will not be allowed this early! So says I, the Almighty Dictator of Iron and Steel!

[Razzgriz]

Full Nation Name: Kingdom of Alaska
Short Nation Name: Alaska
National Flag:

Territory: All of Alaska
Official Language(s): English (official language of the military), Aleut, French, Russian
Form of Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Head of State: King Rodrick Randzgriz
Head of Government: Same
Capital City: Randzgriz
Population: 300,127
Religion: By the constitution Alaska is a Secular nation despite the ruling family being Protestant. Citizens are able to be any religion they wish without worry of repercussion from their neighbors or government. Alaska's view on religion has been heavily influenced by the United States of America and thus has taken steps to somewhat imitate it.
Army: Though trained to fight in any condition Alaskan troops specialize in winter warfare. Its army is divided into to small theaters (Eastern and Western Theaters). The army consist of 3 different classes: Officers, Warrant Officers, and Enlisted. Officers and Enlisted follow their traditional roles while Warrant officers are men and women who are specialized in a certain field and are not usually seen on the battlefield. The total army includes 30,000 personal with 18,000 in Active duty, 8,000 in Reserve, and 4,000 as a part of the Militia component of the army.
Navy: Led by the Chief of Naval Operations who serves under his majesty the Alaskan Navy consists of:
7 frigates
4 Man O Wars
3 Flag ships
3 Ship of the Lines
4 Sloop o Wars
Also part of the Navy is the merchant marine fleet which consists of 37 ships.
Economic Strength: Alaska's mining,fishing, and lumber industries dominate Alaska's economy. Due to gold being found Alaska's economy is currently enjoying a period if rapid expansion allowing better investment in infrastructure and its armed forces.
Infrastructure: Infrastructure in Alaska varies based on the local culture of the given region. Roads to major cites are paved in stone while more rural areas still have dirt roads. Along the Alaskan-Canadian Border a chain of forts dominate with small cities built for military families thrive. Most Buildings in Alaska are made to withstand the harsh winters and come with thick curtains to block out the sun that stays up most of the year.
Primary Goals:
-Maintain Sovereignty
-Expand territory to islands in the pacific
-Find new Trade opportunities to further strengthen the economy and provide more Raw resources
-Secure position as a major player in the politics of the Americas
-Become a world Power
History:

In 1784, Grigory Ivanovich Shelikhov arrived in Three Saints Bay on Kodiak Island, operating the Shelikhov-Golikov Company.[5] Shelikhov and his men killed hundreds of indigenous Koniag, then founded the first permanent Russian settlement in Alaska on the island's Three Saints Bay. By 1788 a number of Russian settlements had been established by Shelikhov and others over a large region, including the mainland areas around Cook Inlet.

The Russians had gained control of the habitats of the most valuable sea otters, the Kurilian-Kamchatkan and Aleutian sea otters. Their fur was thicker, glossier, and blacker than those of sea otters on the Pacific Northwest Coast and California. The Russians, therefore, advanced to the Northwest Coast only after the superior varieties of sea otters were depleted, around 1788. The Russian entry to the Northwest Coast was slow, however, due to a shortage of ships and sailors. Yakutat Bay was reached in 1794 and the settlement of Slavorossiya was built there in 1795. Reconnaissance of the coast as far as the Queen Charlotte Islands was carried out by James Shields, a British employee of the Golikov-Shelikhov Company. In 1795 Alexandr Baranov, who had been hired in 1790 to manage Shelikhov's fur enterprise, sailed into Sitka Sound, claiming it for Russia. Hunting parties arrived in the following years and by 1800 three-quarters of Russian America's sea otter skins were coming from the Sitka Sound area. In July 1799 Baranov returned on the brig Oryol and established the settlement of Arkhangelsk. It was destroyed by Tlingits in 1802 but rebuilt nearby in 1804 and given the name Novo-Arkhangelsk (New Archangel). It soon become the primary settlement and colonial capital of Russian America. After the Alaska Purchase, it was renamed Sitka, the first capital of Alaska Territory.

British settlements at the time in Alaska consisted of a few scattered trading outposts, with most settlers arriving by sea. Captain James Cook, midway through his third and final voyage of exploration in 1778, sailed along the west coast of North America aboard the HMS Resolution, from then-Spanish California all the way to the Bering Strait. During the trip, he discovered what came to be known as Cook Inlet (named in honor of Cook in 1794 by George Vancouver, who had served under his command) in Alaska. The Bering Strait proved to be impassable, although the Resolution and its companion ship HMS Discovery made several attempts to sail through it. The ships left the straits to return to Hawaii in 1779.

Cook's expedition spurred the British to increase their sailings along the northwest coast, following in the wake of the Spanish. Alaska-based posts owned by the Hudson's Bay Company, operated at Fort Yukon, on the Yukon River, Fort Durham (aka Fort Taku) at the mouth of the Taku River, and Fort Stikine, near the mouth of the Stikine River.

Alaska gained its independence after Russia began to view Alaska as a colony not worth maintaining. In its ignorance of Alaska's resources colonist were able to successfully petition the Czar to grant Alaska Independence and as of May 14, 1797 Alaska has been a Sovereign nation.

Sorry for the lack of creativity in the history. This does not reflect my Rping skills
RP Example: Here
-Sorry for the lack-luster appeal it may have I just wanted to get an app up quick before the rp progressed to much.-

[New Decius]

I do not mean Ironclad's as in the American Civil War era Ironclad's rather the kinds of Ironclad's that still used sails as well

[Vicavian Empire]

I do not mean Ironclad's as in the American Civil War era Ironclad's rather the kinds of Ironclad's that still used sails as well

So is alarger and more powerful version of this allowed (larger structure and better cannons)

Because they existed in the 17th century in korea

[New Decius]

I do not mean Ironclad's as in the American Civil War era Ironclad's rather the kinds of Ironclad's that still used sails as well

So is alarger and more powerful version of this allowed (larger structure and better cannons)

Because they existed in the 17th century in korea

I'll think on it.