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Reatra
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Reatra » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:29 pm

What Year will it be?
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The Danish Confederacy
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Postby The Danish Confederacy » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:35 pm

Full Nation Name: Større Kongeriget Danmark-Norge. (Greater Kingdom of Denmark-Norway)
Short Nation Name: Større Danmark-Norge, Danmark-Norge (Greater Denmark-Norway, Denmark-Norway)
National Flag:
Image
Territory: Denmark and Norway (Obviously)
Colonies: Iceland, Faroe Islands, Greenland, Danish West Indies.
Client States: None
Official Language(s): Danish
Form of Government: Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy
Head of State: Christian IX, House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg
Head of Government: Council President Hannibal Sehested
Capital City: Copenhagen
Population: 4,539,032
Ethnicities: German, Faroese, Icelandic, Norwegian, Danish, Greenlandic
Religion: The Government is Secular, with few mentions of "God" in government. The majority is Protestant, but a small catholic minority in the Danish West Indies.
Army: The Army takes heavy influences from the German Army, and along with the German army, is one of the best. There is a law that once a man becomes 18, he serves in the army for 6 years, and is given a choice of either to stay or to go back home. There is also a law that in time of being invaded, all capable adult males are drafted. The numbers are:
1,234,567 (Active)
1,925,578 (Reserve)
Navy: The Navy also takes influences from its German counterpart. The Navy has very well equipped ships and is able to defeat most common naval powers. It has a good 50 destroyers, 9 battleships, and lots of other kinds of ships.
Air Force: The government is currently researching flight, and has nearly come to a breakthrough
Economic Strength: Trade is a big thing for Denmark-Norway, and things are getting better for it. The government also has many endeavors of mining and such in the colonies. The current Gross Domestic Product, or GDP, is 1,634,123,987 kroner.
Infrastructure: The Greater Kingdom of Denmark-Norway keeps buildings, roads, and other related things very highly maintained. Maintenance is often performed not because it needs to, but because it should have high standards.(briefly describe the quality of your nations infrastructure)
Scientific Research and Development: Science is very highly cared for in Denmark-Norway, and is where most government spending lies. Researched items are:
Vehicles such as planes and automobiles for the military
Things to improve the life of the population
And other great and demanding projects
Primary Goals: To expand, increase economy, and to be the best in scientific research.
History: Instead of splitting from Denmark in 1814, Norway stays with Denmark and is never hindered by the international community for its colonies. Denmark-Norway reaches a near century long golden age, and continues its way to near superpower status. (Can't really think of anything else, seeing as it deviated from the end of the last RP)
RP Example: My short time as Denmark here.
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The Danish Confederacy
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Postby The Danish Confederacy » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:36 pm

Reatra wrote:What Year will it be?

1900
The Stats of TDC. Legal ages in TDC. What do I stand for? Educate yourself before you call me contradictory
General Dicking Around wrote:AND THEN JOHN SMASHED THE WINDOW AND FUCKED A GOOSE WITH A LIGHTSABER

[violet] wrote:Right. It's words. Billions of words. :)


Douglas Adams wrote:In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:
Engleberg wrote:Big Brother will always be there for you.

And always watching you as you fap to porn.

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Reatra
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Reatra » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:03 pm

I was thinking that this Gran Perú is way ahead of what IRL Latin America was like. Like they're on their way up to become an almost great power. With a huge navy and great industry that uses their abundant resources. Basically what people THOUGHT Mexico and South America would be like after independence.


Basically the USA fifty years ago.
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Kosovo12345
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Postby Kosovo12345 » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:05 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Kosovo12345 wrote:will your nation be friendly or an enemy to the Russian Empire? And if you are enemy, i hope you would realize you would be together but an Islamic rebel force

We just want an independent Chechnya

i think about it but u must be a state in the russian empire with special freedom rights~thats my only demand

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Alouite
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Postby Alouite » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:14 pm

Alouite - Scottish Empire
National Liberalism, National School Economics, National Dividend, Constitutional Originalism, Protection of US Domestic Trade, The Chinese Gov't in Exile in Taipei, and Ending the War on Nouns
Hyman Minsky
Totalitarianism, the Destruction of the Environment, Racism, and, most of all, people who end statements in questions?
The Patriot Act, The Illegitimate Communist Authorities in China, Economic Libertarianism, Absolutism and Communism

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Benian Republic
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Postby Benian Republic » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:18 pm

Kosovo12345 wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:We just want an independent Chechnya

i think about it but u must be a state in the russian empire with special freedom rights~thats my only demand

Alright. But we reserve the right to an honorary king.
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Anti: English Imperialism, Nazism, communism, Israel, Zionism, Margret thatcher, Martin McGuinness, good Friday agreement.
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Humalle
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Postby Humalle » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:27 pm

Full Nation Name: Second French Empire
Short Nation Name: France, French Empire
National Flag: Image
Territory: France (Without Alsace or Lorraine)
Colonies:
-Quebec
-Haiti
-Martinique
-French Indochina
-French East Egypt

Client States: Duchy of Corsica
Official Language(s): French
Form of Government: Absolute Monarchy
Head of State: Napoleon III, Emperor of France
Head of Government: Napoleon III, Emperor of France
Capital City: Paris
Population: 45,801,374
Ethnicities: French, German, Belgian, Dutch, English
Religion: Though the Church is not allowed any political power in France, France itself is largely Catholic and good relations with the Vatican are maintained. Though Religious teachings are not allowed to be taught in French schools.
Army: (both size and a description of its quality, organisation & structure, etc)
Navy: (same as the army)
Air Force: (This will largely depend on the economic and industrial capability of your nation. So at the start of the RP, really only major powers will have moderately large and modern air forces for a while)
Economic Strength: (briefly describe how wealthy your nation is)
Infrastructure: (briefly describe the quality of your nations infrastructure)
Scientific Research and Development: (briefly describe the state of scientific R&D in your nation)
Primary Goals:
History: (From point of deviation from actual history)
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Kosovo12345
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Postby Kosovo12345 » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:33 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Kosovo12345 wrote:i think about it but u must be a state in the russian empire with special freedom rights~thats my only demand

Alright. But we reserve the right to an honorary king.

Alright, you can put up your app. But your king must follow Russian Empire law as all Russians do. And if you want to make laws for only Chechnya, they must pass the Chechnya congress which is set up by the Russian government

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Benian Republic
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Postby Benian Republic » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:37 pm

Kosovo12345 wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Alright. But we reserve the right to an honorary king.

Alright, you can put up your app. But your king must follow Russian Empire law as all Russians do. And if you want to make laws for only Chechnya, they must pass the Chechnya congress which is set up by the Russian government

Yeah
Pro: United Ireland, IRA, Allan Ryan, Palestine, Malvinas, Ukraine, Hamas-Fatah cooperation, legalized Gay marriage, Tibetan Resistance, Atheism.
Anti: English Imperialism, Nazism, communism, Israel, Zionism, Margret thatcher, Martin McGuinness, good Friday agreement.
Proud to be Irish, please telegram me I enjoy getting them.
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Soviet Chernarus
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:58 pm

Full Nation Name: Republic of Hungary
Short Nation Name: Hungary, Greater Hungary
National Flag:
Image

Territory:
The brownish-red territory in Central Europe
Colonies: N/A
Client States: N/A
Official Language(s): Hungarian, German
Form of Government: Parliamentary republic
Head of State: President
Head of Government: Prime Minister
Capital City: Budapest
Population: 17.5 million
Ethnicities: Magyar (Hungarian), Romanians, Ruthenians, Serbs, Croats, German
Religion: The government is officially secular on all matters pertaining to religion, and the Church holds virtually no power in Hungary; separation of Church and State is heavily stressed. However, Roman Catholicism is the dominant religion, followed by various denominations of Protestantism and a large Jewish minority.
Army: The Hungarian Army, once disorganized, poorly trained and equipped, was heavily reformed and received a major overhaul. The Army adopted the Prussian model, and with the help of Germany, helped to modernize and train the army. Currently, the Hungarian Army stands at around 200,000 active and 150,000 reserve, making a total of 350,000 men. Having been formerly trained and helped by German officers and generals, the Army largely resembles Germany's in some aspects, although it has its differences. One of its weaknesses are its numbers, which can't be too high due to Hungary's rather small population in comparison with the other Great Powers. However, this is made up in training, and the Army also includes an elite 15,000-strong force called the Honvéd (National Defense) Guard which is considered the best of Hungary's troops.
Navy: With Hungary's independence in 1848, the Hungarian Navy largely consisted of the Austrian Empire's former navy; the government was largely focused on organizing and trying to keep the Republic together in the early years of fledging Republic, and the Navy was largely ignored, with the most focus being put towards the Army. However, in the late 60s and early 70s as Hungary began to industrialize thanks to the help of its allies, several prominent people within Hungary began advocating for the expansion and reform of its navy. While it is still a rather formidable force, containing 2 capital-class dreadnoughts and a handful of pre-dreadnoughts, as well as dozens of other ships, the Hungarian Navy is given less priority than the army. Currently, the Navy consists of 10,000 active personnel and around 20,000 reserve, making up a total of 30,000 men.
Air Force: The Hungarian Aviation Troops, or Air Force, is the weakest branch out of the 3; consisting of only 500 pilots, it has around ~70 aircraft, with only around half the number being actually operable. The Aviation troops also has a handful of reconnaissance balloons. Several attempts have been made to try to expand the number of squadrons currently within the aviation troops, but have failed.
Economic Strength:
Infrastructure: The infrastructure of Hungary is rather well developed, mainly in the central parts of the Republic. Most of Hungary's cities are connected by rail and the country itself has over 6,000 km of railways. Most of them are nationalized; roads in Hungary are usually well maintained when they connect urban areas, but are of significantly poorer quality in the countryside
Scientific Research and Development:
Primary Goals:
History: (From point of deviation from actual history)
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Vicavian Empire
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Postby Vicavian Empire » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:23 pm

Full Nation Name: Democratic Empire of Korea
Short Nation Name: Korean Empire
National Flag:
Image

Territory:
Image

Colonies: None
Client States:
Image

Official Language(s): Korean
Form of Government: Imperial Parliamentary Democracy
Head of State: Emperor Gojong
Head of Government: Prime Minister Yi
Capital City: Seoul
Population:95,860,000
Ethnicities: Korean, Manchurian, Russian, Japanese
Religion: Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, etc..
Army: (both size and a description of its quality, organisation & structure, etc)
Navy: (same as the army)
Air Force: (This will largely depend on the economic and industrial capability of your nation. So at the start of the RP, really only major powers will have moderately large and modern air forces for a while)
Economic Strength: (briefly describe how wealthy your nation is)
Infrastructure: (briefly describe the quality of your nations infrastructure)
Scientific Research and Development: (briefly describe the state of scientific R&D in your nation)
Primary Goals:
History: (From point of deviation from actual history)
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Humalle
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Postby Humalle » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:23 pm

Kosovo12345 wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Alright. But we reserve the right to an honorary king.

Alright, you can put up your app. But your king must follow Russian Empire law as all Russians do. And if you want to make laws for only Chechnya, they must pass the Chechnya congress which is set up by the Russian government


I though you were playing as the Ottoman Empire?

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Kosovo12345
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Postby Kosovo12345 » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:27 pm

Humalle wrote:
Kosovo12345 wrote:Alright, you can put up your app. But your king must follow Russian Empire law as all Russians do. And if you want to make laws for only Chechnya, they must pass the Chechnya congress which is set up by the Russian government


I though you were playing as the Ottoman Empire?

I am, thats for another ro

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Kosovo12345
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Postby Kosovo12345 » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:27 pm

Rp*****

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SECP
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby SECP » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:35 pm

Full Nation Name: The United Federation of Balkans
Short Nation Name: Balkans
National Flag: ( I guess the one you already put on the map)
Territory: (already on map)
Colonies: none...
Client States: none that I know of
Official Language(s): Istro-Romanian, Greek, Bulgarian, and Serbo-Croatian
Form of Government: Federal Republic
Head of State: Dimosthenis Željko
Head of Government: Andrej Ilia
Capital City: (symbolic) Constantinople (political) Sofia
Population: ~35 million
Ethnicities: Greek, Bulgarian, Romanian, Serb,.... Just Balkan... Hungarian, Slavic, etc.
Religion: Mainly Orthodox but slight Islamic in the west and slight Catholic in the north west
Army: 250,000: active ~100,000: reserve / The quality of the Balkan Armed Forces (BAF) weapons is slightly behind compared to major powers like Germany and Great Britain but that is made up with the soldiers training. Roughly 200,000 are highly trained (3 years of military training) and are part of the Βουνού Βαλκανίων Πεζικού (Balkan Mountain Infantry). They are well known for their Guerrilla Tactics and their light infantry movements.
Navy: ~2,000 personal / The Balkan Navy is underfunded due to their access to open waters freely. Their are only a few above water warships (~20) but they only secure the coast their real power is again is in their light movement tactics. The only part of the fleet that gets good funding is their Submarine Fleet (~35).
Air Force: ~200 personal / No military only experimental. No aircraft, but slowly edging that way...slowly
Economic Strength: The Balkan's economy is moderate-moderate high. Most of the old Byzantine banks were in European Constantinople and other major Balkan banks. Due to the large sum of old gold held in Balkan Banks, the Balkans are able to keep a healthy economy.
Infrastructure: Buildings are quite good due to Greek and Byzantine methods. Railroad connects the country, but roads are still in poor contain.
Scientific Research and Development: Work on aircraft (nonmilitary reasons), an automobile for every family, and newer roads are high on the to-do list.
Primary Goals: Basically to stay in this world. We are content about were we are, so I guess only to try to make some allies.
History: In 1840 Astro-Hungary's democratic revolution finally reached into the Byzantine Empire. By 1857 most of the Byzantium's Balkan territories were up in arms demanding a change. In 1858 a revolution was declared and the Balkans declared themselves independent from the Byzantine Empire. Due to the economic importance of the Balkans and it's modernization compared to the rest of the Byzantine Empire they were able to hold the Byzantine Empire off long enough to breaker for peace. In 1860 the Byzantine Empire and the new United Federation of Balkans parted ways, the Byzantine Empire then fell apart by 1870 the Byzantine Empire lost the rest of it's claims and was finally destroyed. In 1874 the United Federation the Balkans changed their capital from Constantinople to Sofia. Since 1875 the United Federation the Balkans has been reaching out to see if any other countries what to be allies.
RP Example: you know me ;)
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The Union of Courland
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Postby The Union of Courland » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:54 pm

Full Nation Name: Papal Republic of South Italy
Short Nation Name: Papal Republic
National Flag:
Image

Territory: As shown on the map.
Colonies:
Image

Client States: N/A
Official Language(s): Italian, Latin
Form of Government: Constitutional Republic with elements of Theocracy
Head of State: President Franchesco Mandazi
Head of Government: Same
Capital City: Palermo, Sicily
Population: 12,840,000
Ethnicities: South Italian, Somali
Religion: Catholic is the dominant religion, and currently the church is loosely tied with the state.
Army: 550,000. A little more than 2% of the total population. Split into 25 Regiments of 22,000 each. Equipment is well maintained and very up to date.
Navy: 1,000 Service members, 6 Cruisers, 2 Battleships, 3 Corvettes, 1 experimental Submarine. Same as Army, equipment and ships are kept up to date and in working condition.
Air Force: The Papal Republic is experimenting with Aerial Warfare, and they currently have 50 member, mostly engineers and repairmen, 2 Recon Planes and an experimental Biplane Fighter. As with the other two branches, all planes and equipment is up to date and well maintained.
Economic Strength: Not extremely rich, but a rather rich nation. Sicily's position at the center of the Mediterranean means that it is a major trade hub, with many ships stopping at Palermo and other ports to do trade or simply pass through. All economic decisions are made by the people, so the Papal Republic is a Free Market Economy.
Infrastructure: First World European nation, so infrastructure is amazing. All equipment in hospitals, fire departments, and police stations is up to date and maintained, as are roads and buildings.
Scientific Research and Development: Currently most technological progress is focused on military might, as the constant fear in the Papal Republic is that North Italy will invade South Italy, supported by Germany.
Primary Goals: Pope's Goal: Spread Catholicism through Papal Somaliland and other areas of Africa.
President Mandazi's Goal: Secularize the Papal Republic completely, severing the link between Church and State.
Both aim to improve relations with North Italy, and to trade the province of Roma in exchange for control over the Peloponnese.
History: After Italy lost the Great War, it's populace saw the current government as one who was unreliable, and as such was angry for the loss of the war and at the government in general. The Pope, sensing an opportunity, inspired the Catholic majority of Italy to rise up against the Italian Monarchy. After 2 years of fighting, the Pope declared a New Papal State. However, this was short lived as the majority of people were tired of living under a monarchy, and they voted for South Italy to become a Republic. The vote was a success, and the Papal Republic was born. The next half century was spent building and improving upon the Armed Forces, as the fear throughout the country was that Italy would try to retake the Republic with support from the mostly Protestant Germany. After relations between North and South Italy improved slightly, the highly militarized border between the nations was De-militarized, and the Papal Republic set it's sights towards Africa, landing several Regiments there and securing Papal Somaliland in the early 1890s. Currently, the Papal Republic seeks to improve relations with North Italy, and to give Roma Province to North Italy in exchange for Republican control over the Peloponnese Peninsula, currently controlled by North Italy.
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Yay done!
This is the law of the jungle,
As old and as true as the sky,
The wolf that shall keep it may prosper,
But the wolf that shall break it must die,
As the creeper that girdles the tree trunk,
The law runneth forwards and back,
For the strength of the pack is the wolf,
And the strength of a wolf is the pack.
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Reddogkeno101
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:56 pm

Full Nation Name: The Second Polish Commonwealth
Short Nation Name: Poland
National Flag:
Image

Territory: Poland, Latvia, Estonia, parts of Ukraine, parts of Belarus (As Shown on le map)
Colonies: none
Client States: None
Official Language(s): Polish, Estonian, Latvian
Form of Government: Constitutional Elective Monarchy
Head of State: King Frederick Augustus III
Head of Government: Jan Kucharzewski
Capital City: Warsaw
Population: 34830000
Ethnicities: Polish, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, Ukrainian, Belorussian.
Religion: Catholicism dominates Poland, however in the Ukrainian and Belorussian parts of Poland, Orthodoxy is the major religion. Approximately 85% of the population is Catholic.
Army: (both size and a description of its quality, organisation & structure, etc) The Polish Armed Forces are a relatively large force, one needed to keep her neighbours at bay. With 100,000 in an Army that is well maintained and modern, the Polish Army is a force to be reckoned with. With compulsory military service in place, the male populace is armed with the skills necessary if and when called up to fight for their country.
Navy: The Polish Navy is a small naval force in the region, based in Estonia. The Polish Fleet consists of 3 old Battleships and 1 old dreadnought, as well as 2 new Destroyers and 4 old destroyers.
Air Force: Poland lacks a large Air Force, however the Eastern Border Force and Southern Border force are equipped with 4 aeroplanes each.
Economic Strength: The Polish nation
Infrastructure: Poland's infrastructure was left at the levels seen during the days of the First Commonwealth by the occupying powers until the Polish Liberation, when the first King announced the construction of new roads and rail across the country
Scientific Research and Development: Poland's Scientific Research and Development is one of the leading departments in Europe. While her armed forces may not see a full role out of new products immediately, the R&D department is full of leading minds from throughout Poland and Europe who develop new military and civil products, theorems and other ideas.
Primary Goals: Get Ukraine to Gib Clay, be friends with Hungary, Germoney and Denmark. Keep the Ruskies at bay as per usual (Plz don't do what you did last time).
History: (From point of deviation from actual history) I'll need to chat with Ukrainian and Russian player before continuing.
RP Example: I was here before :P
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SECP
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby SECP » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:59 pm

I really dont want to work on the history right now

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New Decius
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Postby New Decius » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:05 pm

Full Nation Name: Großdeutschen Reich (German: Greater German Empire)
Short Nation Name: Groß-Deutschland, Deutschland (German: Greater Germany, Germany)
National Flag: Image
Territory: Image
Colonies: Colonies
Client States: None
Official Language(s): German
Form of Government: Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy
Head of State: Kaiser Wilhelm II, German Emperor and King of Prussia
Head of Government: Chlodwig zu Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst, Chancellor of Germany
Capital City: Berlin
Population: 47,912,608
Ethnicities: German, French, Polish, Czechs, Dutch
Religion: Political Influence by any Church is illegal in the Greater German Empire. The majority of the Empire is Protestant with a small minority of Catholics remaining in West Prussia. However, Catholic influence is heavily suppressed.
Army: The Deutsches Heer (Imperial German Army) is perhaps one of the greatest military forces in Europe if not the world. It has a total strength of 3.5 million troops with one and a half million in active service and the remainder in reserve. There is also the Landwehr which totals at one million spread out across the German states. Colonial Troops are not counted in total strength but include Africans, Indonesians, and Indians with these corps numbering at some half a million.

The Imperial German Army utilizes only the most modern of training techniques and regimes, and created a new doctrine of adaptable mission-based tactics for its troops rather than the traditional and less-adaptable order-based tactics utilized by most other armies. These tactics allow German troops, to be given a general idea for their orders and adapt to the changing situation to best complete their orders. Every recruit into the army is given six months of academy training before being sent into active training fighting partisans in the African colonies or India for six months. The Imperial German Army also maintains strict levels of health for its troops, ensuring that frontline units are always well supplied with proper nutrition.

The overall commander of the Imperial German Army is the Marshal of the Realm appointed by the German General's Staff, made up of the finest military minds in the German Empire. The Imperial German Army maintains a number of Heeresgruppen (German: Army Groups) to command its troops, each command by an officer of at least Field Marshal rank.

As on 1899, an Armored Corps was introduced to the Imperial German Army, and as of 1900 it has reached a size of some 1,250 Armored Vehicles dubbed as 'Tanks'. Also praised is the German Army's program of motorization for movement and deployment, which began with a program in 1890 to phase out horse-utilization in the Imperial German Army and replace it with motorized transportation. This is extensively used in both the Infantry and Artillery and by 1900 there is hardly any Cavalry or horse-utilization left in the German Army.

As to equipment, due to Germany's lead in the development of weaponry, the very most modern of equipment is utilized by the Imperial German Army. This includes the implementation of machine guns, sub-machine guns, and flamethrowers. There has also been extensive development in chemical based weaponry.
(both size and a description of its quality, organisation & structure, etc)
Navy: The Kaiserliche Marine (German: Imperial Navy) has become a force to match the Royal Navy in both size and power, maintaining a force of 1,107 warships, largely consisting of Battleships, Dreadnoughts, and Cruisers. Also maintained is a vast Submarine fleet which the Navy first began developing in the early 1890's. (same as the army)
Air Force: The Deutsches Luftstreitkräfte (Imperial German Flying Corps) is a jewel to behold. Due to the presence of the Fokker company in Germany, aircraft production has remained steady in the German Empire, bringing the German Air Wing up to a strength of 2,300 aircraft of Biplane nature with a Bomber force being developed. Triplane research and development is also underway.
Economic Strength: Industrialisation progressed dynamically in Germany and German manufacturers began to capture domestic markets from British imports, and also to compete with British industry abroad, particularly in the U.S. The German textile and metal industries had by 1870 surpassed those of Britain in organisation and technical efficiency and superseded British manufacturers in the domestic market. Germany became the dominant economic power on the continent and was the second largest exporting nation after Britain. Yet by 1876, as German scientists made significant technological leaps, Germany began to grow even stronger economically, until it was, by 1889, the strongest economy in Europe. Many attribute this to the old system of the German Empire during the Great War and the successes of Germany during the Great War.
Infrastructure: Whilst roads are well maintained across the Empire, Autobahns for motor vehicles are now in existence as well, stretching across the country and between the states. Yet the railway system is also extensive and well maintained as well. So much so that one could travel from Strasbourg to Memel in a mere five hours travel on the Imperial German Railway. (briefly describe the quality of your nations infrastructure)
Scientific Research and Development: German Scientific Research and Development is quite extensive in both the civilian and military fields. Universities and Research centers sprang up across Germany between the 1860's and 1890's, as Religious Schools became illegal and were torn down to make way for new buildings of scientific development. (briefly describe the state of scientific R&D in your nation)
Primary Goals: Maintain German Independence, End the Russian Socialist system, Expand the German Colonial Empire, Establish the Greater Germanic Empire
History: (From point of deviation from actual history)
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WIP
Proud advocate that Europe stands stronger together than divided. The EU may be flawed in some areas but the idea of a united Europa can only bring good fortune to Europe and the world. For more than two thousand years, Europe was home to conflicts inspired by coveting one another's territory and resources, even making the continent the home to some of the world's most destructive and costly conflicts. But the idea was all wrong in their minds. Their idea was to bring this territory or that under their flag and spread influence on the continent. The idea they should all have been thinking was that the goal should be to bring the continent under one unified flag.

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Postby Vicavian Empire » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:33 pm

Could we have a time system, like four ic pages is one month/one year

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Postby Reatra » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:50 pm

Full Nation Name: La República de Gran Perú
Short Nation Name: Gran Perú
National Flag: Coming Soon to an App Near You
Territory: Perú, Ecuador, Chile, Bolivia, Argentina
Colonies: Easter Island
Client States: I'm debating whether or not Colombia should be one. Is it a Mexican Client state?
Official Language(s): Spanish, native languages
Form of Government: Presidential Constitutional Republic
Head of State: Presidente René Soto
Head of Government: El Congresso de La República
Capital City: Lima
Population: 14,107,000
Ethnicities: Andean, Native Andean, La Platan
Religion: While technically a secular state, the Catholic Church holds much power over the people. Which is why religion is such an important thing when campaigning for president.
Army: 56,000 active 286,000 reserve. The army is still an important part of the nation, as historically the country was constantly at war with its neighbors. But now, with most of South America at peace, less and less of this generation are volunteering. The army is still kept (mostly) at the cutting edge of technology, at compared to the rest of the Western Hemisphere, and trade with the USA, Mexico, and the great powers in Europe keeps the military ready and practiced.
Navy: Ten river gunboats, twenty-two destroyers, eight battleships, twenty-nine corvettes, and nearly fifty thousand personnel makes the Gran Perúvian navy the second mightiest in the Western Hemisphere after the USA. Several naval wars with Brasil, Argentina (before unification), and Mexico forced the navy to become to first priority for several decades. While Europeans tried to make peace with the restriction of naval development the Gran Perúvians used the time to foster an entire generation of seamen and gunners. The single colony of Easter Island was a source of pride for the Gran Perúvians, and they wouldn't let anybody take it away. There were attempts by the Germans and French to encroach on Gran Perúvian sovereignty in the Pacific, but each time a careful use of naval exercises convinced them that it would be better to look closer to home for warfare.
Air Force: A few dozen light reconnaissance aircraft, and two twin craft whose sole purpose is to drop (relatively small) bombs on the enemy.
Economic Strength: It's been nearly a century since independence, and the Gran Perúvians are proud to say their great-grandfathers' nation of poverty and want is no more. With resources from around the world being developed by foreign and domestic companies and corporations, and with a hugely successful anti-corruption campaign keeping the government efficient, the nation has prospered in recent decades more than ever before. Rapid industrialization has brought millions to the cities, and the sue of fertilizers in the La Platan and Andean farms has nearly eradicated hunger. For the first time since the fall of the Tawantinsuyu to the Spanish so long ago, it looks like the Andes is the strongest economy in South America.
Infrastructure: Years old railroads crisscross the coastal deserts and the plains in La Plata, and new technologies have begun ideas for railroads along the Andes. Otherwise, paved roads and highways are growing in popularity, but still stone roads are the norm, at least outside of the big cities.
Scientific Research and Development: Still a few steps behind Europe and the USA, but not NEARLY as far behind as Latin America was IRL.
Primary Goals: Perhaps annex Colombia and Venezuela and share our wealth with them, continue to fend off Brasil. Eventually become a great power through industry and naval dominance of the South Pacific.
History: After the conquest of the Tawantinsuyu and delaying of the Sapa Inka, the king of Spain made the entire former empire into the Viceroyality of Perú. Nobody knows where the name came from, probably made up by a Spanish slave driver during the "Spanish Inka" phase. But it stuck, and the Viceroyality of Perú became to biggest in South America. The Viceroyality gradually grew to encompass all of the Andes, much of the jungles in the north and east, and the coast down to Santiago. Even much of western La Plata eventually became under the jurisdiction of the viceroy. And with the Tawatinsuyu resettlement of families most of the population was of one language and faith. The natives were enslaved, forced to work in the silver mines, the work was so terrible that mother would cut off the hands of their children so they wouldn't be forced to mine, etc. Until 1799. With the French Revolutionaries invading Spain, and the British blockading the resulting French client state, the natives (who were now a mix of Spanish and Quechua) revolted. Inspired by the United States of America's aspiration for liberty, the viceroy was overthrown and the aristocrats killed. The viceroyalty became the republic, with a fully Andean president. With the Spanish not even able to consider reconquest until after the Napoleonic Wars, the new nation was given a full two decades to consolidate and build up for the inevitable attempt by the Spanish to bring the Perúvians back under their heel. Only the invasion never came. Instead, all the Perúvians got from those two decades were a huge amount of coastal forts, an organized militia that turned into the army, and labor groups that built the forts now we're building roads and irrigation. Great measures were taken to turn the former colony from a mine and plantation state into a functioning nation. By the 1850s it was blatantly obvious that the Spaniards weren't coming back, and relations began to normalize between the two. In addition, the 1850s became the time of industrialization for the country, with factories opening up along the coastal cities and in the inland to extract iron, copper, tin, silver, and gold ores along with stone, agricultural products, and clay. Soon, due to actions by the government, the industry began to refine these materials and sell them on the global market. Suddenly thousands of tons of Gran Perúvian steel, coal, furniture, and clothing were available across Europe and boosted the economy. Around this time the La Platans were officially annexed into the republic, creating tension across the continent, but efforts to assimilate the culture into the Andean one and the fact that Pan-Latinoaméricano nationalism was beginning to take root turned the La Platans into (mostly) willing citizens. It still took several years until the next generation saw themselves as Gran Perúvian. The economy continued to grow for the next few decades at a stable rate, and with American and European influence in South America growing, the Gran Perúvians began to build a navy to combat any attack. By 1900 Gran Perú had been around for a century and was beginning to cement its place as a secondary power.
RP Example: I've been in way too many RPs to list, but some memorable ones would be the "History of ______" series, Civilization Domination, and New Imperialism.
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Postby New Decius » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:03 pm

Vicavian Empire wrote:Could we have a time system, like four ic pages is one month/one year


Month

Though battles, diplomacy and such can still play out in a sort of realtime state
Proud advocate that Europe stands stronger together than divided. The EU may be flawed in some areas but the idea of a united Europa can only bring good fortune to Europe and the world. For more than two thousand years, Europe was home to conflicts inspired by coveting one another's territory and resources, even making the continent the home to some of the world's most destructive and costly conflicts. But the idea was all wrong in their minds. Their idea was to bring this territory or that under their flag and spread influence on the continent. The idea they should all have been thinking was that the goal should be to bring the continent under one unified flag.

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Postby New Decius » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:10 pm

Reatra wrote:Full Nation Name: La República de Gran Perú
Short Nation Name: Gran Perú
National Flag: Coming Soon to an App Near You
Territory: Perú, Ecuador, Chile, Bolivia, Argentina
Colonies: Easter Island
Client States: I'm debating whether or not Colombia should be one. Is it a Mexican Client state?
Official Language(s): Spanish, native languages
Form of Government: Presidential Constitutional Republic
Head of State: Presidente René Soto
Head of Government: El Congresso de La República
Capital City: Lima
Population: 14,107,000
Ethnicities: Andean, Native Andean, La Platan
Religion: While technically a secular state, the Catholic Church holds much power over the people. Which is why religion is such an important thing when campaigning for president.
Army: 56,000 active 286,000 reserve. The army is still an important part of the nation, as historically the country was constantly at war with its neighbors. But now, with most of South America at peace, less and less of this generation are volunteering. The army is still kept (mostly) at the cutting edge of technology, at compared to the rest of the Western Hemisphere, and trade with the USA, Mexico, and the great powers in Europe keeps the military ready and practiced.
Navy: Ten river gunboats, twenty-two destroyers, eight battleships, twenty-nine corvettes, and nearly fifty thousand personnel makes the Gran Perúvian navy the second mightiest in the Western Hemisphere after the USA. Several naval wars with Brasil, Argentina (before unification), and Mexico forced the navy to become to first priority for several decades. While Europeans tried to make peace with the restriction of naval development the Gran Perúvians used the time to foster an entire generation of seamen and gunners. The single colony of Easter Island was a source of pride for the Gran Perúvians, and they wouldn't let anybody take it away. There were attempts by the Germans and French to encroach on Gran Perúvian sovereignty in the Pacific, but each time a careful use of naval exercises convinced them that it would be better to look closer to home for warfare.
Air Force: A few dozen light reconnaissance aircraft, and two twin craft whose sole purpose is to drop (relatively small) bombs on the enemy.
Economic Strength: It's been nearly a century since independence, and the Gran Perúvians are proud to say their great-grandfathers' nation of poverty and want is no more. With resources from around the world being developed by foreign and domestic companies and corporations, and with a hugely successful anti-corruption campaign keeping the government efficient, the nation has prospered in recent decades more than ever before. Rapid industrialization has brought millions to the cities, and the sue of fertilizers in the La Platan and Andean farms has nearly eradicated hunger. For the first time since the fall of the Tawantinsuyu to the Spanish so long ago, it looks like the Andes is the strongest economy in South America.
Infrastructure: Years old railroads crisscross the coastal deserts and the plains in La Plata, and new technologies have begun ideas for railroads along the Andes. Otherwise, paved roads and highways are growing in popularity, but still stone roads are the norm, at least outside of the big cities.
Scientific Research and Development: Still a few steps behind Europe and the USA, but not NEARLY as far behind as Latin America was IRL.
Primary Goals: Perhaps annex Colombia and Venezuela and share our wealth with them, continue to fend off Brasil. Eventually become a great power through industry and naval dominance of the South Pacific.
History: After the conquest of the Tawantinsuyu and delaying of the Sapa Inka, the king of Spain made the entire former empire into the Viceroyality of Perú. Nobody knows where the name came from, probably made up by a Spanish slave driver during the "Spanish Inka" phase. But it stuck, and the Viceroyality of Perú became to biggest in South America. The Viceroyality gradually grew to encompass all of the Andes, much of the jungles in the north and east, and the coast down to Santiago. Even much of western La Plata eventually became under the jurisdiction of the viceroy. And with the Tawatinsuyu resettlement of families most of the population was of one language and faith. The natives were enslaved, forced to work in the silver mines, the work was so terrible that mother would cut off the hands of their children so they wouldn't be forced to mine, etc. Until 1799. With the French Revolutionaries invading Spain, and the British blockading the resulting French client state, the natives (who were now a mix of Spanish and Quechua) revolted. Inspired by the United States of America's aspiration for liberty, the viceroy was overthrown and the aristocrats killed. The viceroyalty became the republic, with a fully Andean president. With the Spanish not even able to consider reconquest until after the Napoleonic Wars, the new nation was given a full two decades to consolidate and build up for the inevitable attempt by the Spanish to bring the Perúvians back under their heel. Only the invasion never came. Instead, all the Perúvians got from those two decades were a huge amount of coastal forts, an organized militia that turned into the army, and labor groups that built the forts now we're building roads and irrigation. Great measures were taken to turn the former colony from a mine and plantation state into a functioning nation. By the 1850s it was blatantly obvious that the Spaniards weren't coming back, and relations began to normalize between the two. In addition, the 1850s became the time of industrialization for the country, with factories opening up along the coastal cities and in the inland to extract iron, copper, tin, silver, and gold ores along with stone, agricultural products, and clay. Soon, due to actions by the government, the industry began to refine these materials and sell them on the global market. Suddenly thousands of tons of Gran Perúvian steel, coal, furniture, and clothing were available across Europe and boosted the economy. Around this time the La Platans were officially annexed into the republic, creating tension across the continent, but efforts to assimilate the culture into the Andean one and the fact that Pan-Latinoaméricano nationalism was beginning to take root turned the La Platans into (mostly) willing citizens. It still took several years until the next generation saw themselves as Gran Perúvian. The economy continued to grow for the next few decades at a stable rate, and with American and European influence in South America growing, the Gran Perúvians began to build a navy to combat any attack. By 1900 Gran Perú had been around for a century and was beginning to cement its place as a secondary power.
RP Example: I've been in way too many RPs to list, but some memorable ones would be the "History of ______" series, Civilization Domination, and New Imperialism.



So your tiny South American Navy managed to scare off the massive and modern German and French Pacific Fleet's. I mostly speak as to Germany. Which you could not scare off because Germany was already established as a modern naval power before your nation was even founded.


You do realize that any technological advancement in your nation would require close and very friendly relations with countries like Britain, Germany, France, and the USA. Because those four countries would be leaders as to technological development throughout the 1800's.

Essentially compared to European militaries, yours is no where near on par.
Proud advocate that Europe stands stronger together than divided. The EU may be flawed in some areas but the idea of a united Europa can only bring good fortune to Europe and the world. For more than two thousand years, Europe was home to conflicts inspired by coveting one another's territory and resources, even making the continent the home to some of the world's most destructive and costly conflicts. But the idea was all wrong in their minds. Their idea was to bring this territory or that under their flag and spread influence on the continent. The idea they should all have been thinking was that the goal should be to bring the continent under one unified flag.

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Postby Reatra » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:17 pm

New Decius wrote:
Reatra wrote:Full Nation Name: La República de Gran Perú
Short Nation Name: Gran Perú
National Flag: Coming Soon to an App Near You
Territory: Perú, Ecuador, Chile, Bolivia, Argentina
Colonies: Easter Island
Client States: I'm debating whether or not Colombia should be one. Is it a Mexican Client state?
Official Language(s): Spanish, native languages
Form of Government: Presidential Constitutional Republic
Head of State: Presidente René Soto
Head of Government: El Congresso de La República
Capital City: Lima
Population: 14,107,000
Ethnicities: Andean, Native Andean, La Platan
Religion: While technically a secular state, the Catholic Church holds much power over the people. Which is why religion is such an important thing when campaigning for president.
Army: 56,000 active 286,000 reserve. The army is still an important part of the nation, as historically the country was constantly at war with its neighbors. But now, with most of South America at peace, less and less of this generation are volunteering. The army is still kept (mostly) at the cutting edge of technology, at compared to the rest of the Western Hemisphere, and trade with the USA, Mexico, and the great powers in Europe keeps the military ready and practiced.
Navy: Ten river gunboats, twenty-two destroyers, eight battleships, twenty-nine corvettes, and nearly fifty thousand personnel makes the Gran Perúvian navy the second mightiest in the Western Hemisphere after the USA. Several naval wars with Brasil, Argentina (before unification), and Mexico forced the navy to become to first priority for several decades. While Europeans tried to make peace with the restriction of naval development the Gran Perúvians used the time to foster an entire generation of seamen and gunners. The single colony of Easter Island was a source of pride for the Gran Perúvians, and they wouldn't let anybody take it away. There were attempts by the Germans and French to encroach on Gran Perúvian sovereignty in the Pacific, but each time a careful use of naval exercises convinced them that it would be better to look closer to home for warfare.
Air Force: A few dozen light reconnaissance aircraft, and two twin craft whose sole purpose is to drop (relatively small) bombs on the enemy.
Economic Strength: It's been nearly a century since independence, and the Gran Perúvians are proud to say their great-grandfathers' nation of poverty and want is no more. With resources from around the world being developed by foreign and domestic companies and corporations, and with a hugely successful anti-corruption campaign keeping the government efficient, the nation has prospered in recent decades more than ever before. Rapid industrialization has brought millions to the cities, and the sue of fertilizers in the La Platan and Andean farms has nearly eradicated hunger. For the first time since the fall of the Tawantinsuyu to the Spanish so long ago, it looks like the Andes is the strongest economy in South America.
Infrastructure: Years old railroads crisscross the coastal deserts and the plains in La Plata, and new technologies have begun ideas for railroads along the Andes. Otherwise, paved roads and highways are growing in popularity, but still stone roads are the norm, at least outside of the big cities.
Scientific Research and Development: Still a few steps behind Europe and the USA, but not NEARLY as far behind as Latin America was IRL.
Primary Goals: Perhaps annex Colombia and Venezuela and share our wealth with them, continue to fend off Brasil. Eventually become a great power through industry and naval dominance of the South Pacific.
History: After the conquest of the Tawantinsuyu and delaying of the Sapa Inka, the king of Spain made the entire former empire into the Viceroyality of Perú. Nobody knows where the name came from, probably made up by a Spanish slave driver during the "Spanish Inka" phase. But it stuck, and the Viceroyality of Perú became to biggest in South America. The Viceroyality gradually grew to encompass all of the Andes, much of the jungles in the north and east, and the coast down to Santiago. Even much of western La Plata eventually became under the jurisdiction of the viceroy. And with the Tawatinsuyu resettlement of families most of the population was of one language and faith. The natives were enslaved, forced to work in the silver mines, the work was so terrible that mother would cut off the hands of their children so they wouldn't be forced to mine, etc. Until 1799. With the French Revolutionaries invading Spain, and the British blockading the resulting French client state, the natives (who were now a mix of Spanish and Quechua) revolted. Inspired by the United States of America's aspiration for liberty, the viceroy was overthrown and the aristocrats killed. The viceroyalty became the republic, with a fully Andean president. With the Spanish not even able to consider reconquest until after the Napoleonic Wars, the new nation was given a full two decades to consolidate and build up for the inevitable attempt by the Spanish to bring the Perúvians back under their heel. Only the invasion never came. Instead, all the Perúvians got from those two decades were a huge amount of coastal forts, an organized militia that turned into the army, and labor groups that built the forts now we're building roads and irrigation. Great measures were taken to turn the former colony from a mine and plantation state into a functioning nation. By the 1850s it was blatantly obvious that the Spaniards weren't coming back, and relations began to normalize between the two. In addition, the 1850s became the time of industrialization for the country, with factories opening up along the coastal cities and in the inland to extract iron, copper, tin, silver, and gold ores along with stone, agricultural products, and clay. Soon, due to actions by the government, the industry began to refine these materials and sell them on the global market. Suddenly thousands of tons of Gran Perúvian steel, coal, furniture, and clothing were available across Europe and boosted the economy. Around this time the La Platans were officially annexed into the republic, creating tension across the continent, but efforts to assimilate the culture into the Andean one and the fact that Pan-Latinoaméricano nationalism was beginning to take root turned the La Platans into (mostly) willing citizens. It still took several years until the next generation saw themselves as Gran Perúvian. The economy continued to grow for the next few decades at a stable rate, and with American and European influence in South America growing, the Gran Perúvians began to build a navy to combat any attack. By 1900 Gran Perú had been around for a century and was beginning to cement its place as a secondary power.
RP Example: I've been in way too many RPs to list, but some memorable ones would be the "History of ______" series, Civilization Domination, and New Imperialism.



So your tiny South American Navy managed to scare off the massive and modern German and French Pacific Fleet's. I mostly speak as to Germany. Which you could not scare off because Germany was already established as a modern naval power before your nation was even founded.


You do realize that any technological advancement in your nation would require close and very friendly relations with countries like Britain, Germany, France, and the USA. Because those four countries would be leaders as to technological development throughout the 1800's.

Essentially compared to European militaries, yours is no where near on par.


Oh, I know.

The only thing we didn't want was reconquest of our lands by ANY Europeans.

We;re still friends with them.
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