{Open} Athena V2: Gods Rising Expansion Pack

[Anowa]

"Everything will exceed expectations, if you don't have any."
Words to live by.

Shit way to live though. Certainly not the way to inspire people or form lasting friendships.

For video games and other media, it's good.
For actual life stuff, it's terrible.

[Socarux]

So, what ammo is everyone using in Beijing? This is a check

[Altito Asmoro]

So, what ammo is everyone using in Beijing? This is a check

7.62x51mm NATO cartridges, according to wikipedia.

[Tiltjuice]

5.56 NATO here, for main. .45 for side.

[Pan Asian Amercian Coalition]

Shit way to live though. Certainly not the way to inspire people or form lasting friendships.

For video games and other media, it's good.
For actual life stuff, it's terrible.

Yeah, basically.

So, what ammo is everyone using in Beijing? This is a check

Depends on their gun. 7.62 and 5.56 NATO for most people's rifles and the pistols seem to be either .9 or .45. For my char it's 5.56 AP and .45 ACP.

[Vacif]

So, what ammo is everyone using in Beijing? This is a check

I'm using the 6.8x43mm Remington SPC 'cause reasons.
Also yeah, .45 ACP

[Camicon]

So, what ammo is everyone using in Beijing? This is a check

I'm using the 6.8x43mm Remington SPC 'cause reasons.
Also yeah, .45 ACP

Actually, all of the soldiers carbines, assault and battle rifles should be using either a 5.56 or 7.62 NATO round. The Quartermaster is going to carry as few different parts as possible. Interchangeability of as much firearm hardware as possible would be important for a group like ATHENA.

All handguns, with the exception of the Ruger SP101, are chambered for .45 caliber rounds.

[Anowa]

I never got why the M240 was considered an LMG when it weighs nearly 30 pounds.

[Monfrox]

I never got why the M240 was considered an LMG when it weighs nearly 30 pounds.

It's classified by it's cartridge.

[Anowa]

I never got why the M240 was considered an LMG when it weighs nearly 30 pounds.

It's classified by it's cartridge.

It fire, a 7.62 NATO round though, which isn't a light round.

[Monfrox]

It's classified by it's cartridge.

It fire a 7.62 NATO round though which isn't a light round.

7.62 has been a mainstay for battle rifles since the 50's. HMGs fire .50 cal or the equivalent, 12.7 X 108mm

[Anowa]

It fire a 7.62 NATO round though which isn't a light round.

7.62 has been a mainstay for battle rifles since the 50's. HMGs fire .50 cal or the equivalent, 12.7 X 108mm

...and?

[Monfrox]

7.62 has been a mainstay for battle rifles since the 50's. HMGs fire .50 cal or the equivalent, 12.7 X 108mm

...and?

By that comparison, the M240 is an LMG. Same with the M60. The "Light" refers to the size of the round, not how much the gun itself weighs.

[Anowa]

...and?

By that comparison, the M240 is an LMG. Same with the M60. The "Light" refers to the size of the round, not how much the gun itself weighs.

Compared to a .50 though everything is light, an M249 being a LMG makes sense, the M240 being one doesn't, even with the cartridge calibers, the M240 shouldn't be an LMG.

[Monfrox]

By that comparison, the M240 is an LMG. Same with the M60. The "Light" refers to the size of the round, not how much the gun itself weighs.

Compared to a .50 though everything is light, an M249 being a LMG makes sense, the M240 being one doesn't, even with the cartridge calibers, the M240 shouldn't be an LMG.

How?

[Anowa]

Compared to a .50 though everything is light, an M249 being a LMG makes sense, the M240 being one doesn't, even with the cartridge calibers, the M240 shouldn't be an LMG.

How?

7.62 isn't the mainline cartridge for 2 main reasons, it kills people too easily (more supplies spent on wounded soldiers) and it's recoil (which we'll be discussing) 5.56 and 5.45 are easy to control even if you fire a sustained burst they are also considerably lighter in bulk, making the 17 pound M249 easy to carry around and with lighter ammo (therefore 'light'), 7.62 isn't nearly as easy to control as 5.56 (granted weapon weight kind of counteracts this) and is heavier in bulk so whereas 5.56 might weigh 1 pound per 100 rounds (this isn't an accurate measurement) the 7.62 will weigh 2 pounds take the M240 which already weighs almost 30 pounds and add another 2, and the only decent place for it is on a tripod or a vehicle mount, not being lugged around the desert.
Just doesn't make sense.

[Vacif]

I'm using the 6.8x43mm Remington SPC 'cause reasons.
Also yeah, .45 ACP

Actually, all of the soldiers carbines, assault and battle rifles should be using either a 5.56 or 7.62 NATO round. The Quartermaster is going to carry as few different parts as possible. Interchangeability of as much firearm hardware as possible would be important for a group like ATHENA.

All handguns, with the exception of the Ruger SP101, are chambered for .45 caliber rounds.

Well that makes me sad. Guess I'm firing the 5.56 then.

[Vancon]

No.

Say that over here, and tell me how that works out.

[Monfrox]

How?

7.62 isn't the mainline cartridge for 2 main reasons, it kills people too easily (more supplies spent on wounded soldiers) and it's recoil (which we'll be discussing) 5.56 and 5.45 are easy to control even if you fire a sustained burst they are also considerably lighter in bulk, making the 17 pound M249 easy to carry around and with lighter ammo (therefore 'light'), 7.62 isn't nearly as easy to control as 5.56 (granted weapon weight kind of counteracts this) and is heavier in bulk so whereas 5.56 might weigh 1 pound per 100 rounds (this isn't an accurate measurement) the 7.62 will weigh 2 pounds take the M240 which already weighs almost 30 pounds and add another 2, and the only decent place for it is on a tripod or a vehicle mount, not being lugged around the desert.
Just doesn't make sense.

The M60 was only a few pounds lighter than the 240 and it's still classified as an LMG. The Bravo is also being used in the LMG role by Marines in Afghanistan, and while 5.56 and 5.45 are easier to control and carry, they also suffer from a severe lack of range and power when compared to the 7.62. The 7.62 will go farther, hit harder, and be on target more than the 5.56, which is why it's being used as such. LMGs are for suppressing fire and cutting down large numbers of hostiles.

The bigger round means that it can chew through more cover than the 5.56 can, providing more suppression. And while suppressing fire isn't exactly intended to kill, it helps immensely because the rounds are more accurately hitting the enemy position. Not to mention if you are looking to hold off on a defensive position that your platoon literally just walked into a few seconds ago, all you have to do is set your gunner up in a good position and the bad guys drop a lot faster.

[Anowa]

7.62 isn't the mainline cartridge for 2 main reasons, it kills people too easily (more supplies spent on wounded soldiers) and it's recoil (which we'll be discussing) 5.56 and 5.45 are easy to control even if you fire a sustained burst they are also considerably lighter in bulk, making the 17 pound M249 easy to carry around and with lighter ammo (therefore 'light'), 7.62 isn't nearly as easy to control as 5.56 (granted weapon weight kind of counteracts this) and is heavier in bulk so whereas 5.56 might weigh 1 pound per 100 rounds (this isn't an accurate measurement) the 7.62 will weigh 2 pounds take the M240 which already weighs almost 30 pounds and add another 2, and the only decent place for it is on a tripod or a vehicle mount, not being lugged around the desert.
Just doesn't make sense.

The M60 was only a few pounds lighter than the 240 and it's still classified as an LMG. The Bravo is also being used in the LMG role by Marines in Afghanistan, and while 5.56 and 5.45 are easier to control and carry, they also suffer from a severe lack of range and power when compared to the 7.62. The 7.62 will go farther, hit harder, and be on target more than the 5.56, which is why it's being used as such. LMGs are for suppressing fire and cutting down large numbers of hostiles.

The bigger round means that it can chew through more cover than the 5.56 can, providing more suppression. And while suppressing fire isn't exactly intended to kill, it helps immensely because the rounds are more accurately hitting the enemy position. Not to mention if you are looking to hold off on a defensive position that your platoon literally just walked into a few seconds ago, all you have to do is set your gunner up in a good position and the bad guys drop a lot faster.

Just found out that it can technically be classified as an Medium Machine Gun/General Purpose Machine Gun, you learn something new everyday it seems.

[Vancon]

There ya go.

My current Magnum Opus.

[Tiltjuice]

Awesomeness!

[United Kingdom of Poland]

sorry I disappeared on you guys. I kind of got triple wammied by jet lag induced mental blocks, a funeral, and a metric ton of OSHA classes. Any chance I can rejoin.

[Vancon]

sorry I disappeared on you guys. I kind of got triple wammied by jet lag induced mental blocks, a funeral, and a metric ton of OSHA classes. Any chance I can rejoin.

You bet! Always open!

[Socarux]

Well I think the term LMG is any mg that can act as a mobile firing position, that is managed, loaded, and crewed by a total of one person who lugs it around all day while laying down suppressive fire, or mows down enemies. Where a HMG is a fixed gun of death