Forge of Empires II - AH RP [OOC/Open!]

[The Vaktovian Empire]

@Vak, interesting idea. Are you suggesting direct action against them preemptively or...

Kinda flaunt your power around and show your effectiveness and military prowess for your regional power in the area. Same thing I advised the Mughals to do. In this way, I hope we can both avoid Japanese intentions and actions in a Great War (of which we know every nation wants to limit the nations involved to a minimum but Russia can't escape involvement at this point, with Japan there's still a chance to discourage them enough)
My thinking is, if you and the Mughals show your support for Asian sovereignty of different nations, as in not just Russia but China, Manchuria, the Mughals, Siam, etc, and the Alaskan holdings in the Philippines, than Japan is going to be less apt to fuck with one of us if they know they might have to fuck with all of us. We're not united necessarily because we support or commemorate what we do in our own realms, but this area of the world is kind of a quasi-cooperative esque area, and an underdeveloped one, especially with China. It's necessary for the three of us, as well as Siam and China (Who I didn't TG because Siam won't scare the Japanese as much in my opinion) to show our military power and how we're not going to back down or allow a Japanese Empire. Not only is this a Great War threat, it's an expansionist Japanese threat and a threat for a premature, in-progress Japanese Empire, which again, none of us wants. So for right now, no direct military action, more flaunting of power, like the U.S against Japan, only they were more developed IRL than I think you could consider Japan is in this RP, and plus Russia and America weren't as close IRL, which led to the ability for Tojo to pull it off, in this RP we are closer or at least can get along in common terms easier.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Okay but like Japan has not actually invaded anything like at all ever.

They have an infamy score of like 0.

I don't see why this not even secondary power is now a global threat and everyone needs to form an informal coalition to stop them.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Sounds good. We've manufactured a Kandahar-pattern LMG, if you're interested in some portable firepower.

Is it expensive? We don't have enough money, as we spend the most of the money on economy improvement.

Naw, hardly. They're meant to be cheap and reliable and easy to use, though not particular fantastic for accuracy or kill-power. I'll slap in a shipment with the rifles and arty for free, I'm just curious if you wanted some.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

I'm all for containing Japan (as someone with Pacific colonies, duh), but how are the Mughals doing this realistic?

Japan is going for Manchuria and well Manchuria. It is not like they are invading Indonesia or Indochina or Siam, the three places that would most likely concern the Mughals.

Why the Mughals would have any interest in containing something that is not even a secondary power also confuses me. I mean it's not like Japan has been expansion crazy thus far either, they've literally yet to gain anymore land than they started with in 1836.

What I'm trying to address is that even though he hasn't expanded at all yet, his government is ultra-imperialist and that's public knowledge. They were backed by an expansionist, yet Democratic nation; Anglois, and they have the potential to become a threat, and if we're following this realistically, once Japan sets sights and god-forbid gets Manchuria, they're going to target China next, and the Chinese ain't too nifty or advanced even though they're getting fair Alaskan support, and with that in mind, you conquer China your one skip and a jump away from the Mughals, or Siam for that matter.

[Kisinger]

Okay but like Japan has not actually invaded anything like at all ever.

They have an infamy score of like 0.

I don't see why this not even secondary power is now a global threat and everyone needs to form an informal coalition to stop them.

I've only asked for the Dual Administration of Korea to end and denied a A Mutual Defense Agreement which I had to hands down decline...

And I'm not even officially an Empire...

[G-Tech Corporation]

...Asian sovereignty of different nations... Siam

In case you haven't noticed, the Mughals barely care about Siam's sovereignty

[Greater Istanistan]

All is great, but your army is pretty massive.

Given the explanation, it makes sense but it's like 5% of your population - which is a lot. It might be safer to go somewhere between 2% and 4%. I will leave your army numbers up to Buj, everything else is great and accepted tho. Do me a favor and TG him asking for his approval on just your numbers, and if you gives you the go ahead you're fully accepted.

I'll do that. Thanks!

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Okay but like Japan has not actually invaded anything like at all ever.

They have an infamy score of like 0.

I don't see why this not even secondary power is now a global threat and everyone needs to form an informal coalition to stop them.

I'm not saying they're a global threat. It's just Russia is the first who has felt threatened by a growing military presence from them near and somewhat inside Russian territorial waters, especially near Port Arthur, so they're addressing major Asian powers specifically Eastern Asia of this threat they feel is somewhat important for this time period leading up to a Great War conflict, and are getting others involved so they are A. Not alone, and B. can deal with even the slightest possibility of a successful Japanese Empire or expanded one, together as a group instead of one nation trying to.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

...Asian sovereignty of different nations... Siam

In case you haven't noticed, the Mughals barely care about Siam's sovereignty

Truueee

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I'm all for containing Japan (as someone with Pacific colonies, duh), but how are the Mughals doing this realistic?

Japan is going for Manchuria and well Manchuria. It is not like they are invading Indonesia or Indochina or Siam, the three places that would most likely concern the Mughals.

Why the Mughals would have any interest in containing something that is not even a secondary power also confuses me. I mean it's not like Japan has been expansion crazy thus far either, they've literally yet to gain anymore land than they started with in 1836.

What I'm trying to address is that even though he hasn't expanded at all yet, his government is ultra-imperialist and that's public knowledge. They were backed by an expansionist, yet Democratic nation; Anglois, and they have the potential to become a threat, and if we're following this realistically, once Japan sets sights and god-forbid gets Manchuria, they're going to target China next, and the Chinese ain't too nifty or advanced even though they're getting fair Alaskan support, and with that in mind, you conquer China your one skip and a jump away from the Mughals, or Siam for that matter.

Okay and?

Like I said, he's still yet to conquer anything. He is yet to even try to conquer anything.

The fear of Japan is unwarranted. Especially since you are a European based great power and Japan is an Asian not even secondary power. There is no way the Russian Empire would fear Japan. Hell, the barely feared them leading up to the Russo-Japanese War due to European arrogance and Japan was certainly considered a secondary power then, perhaps even a great power. This is Japan that is not a secondary power. So the arrogance would be much worse.

[Altito Asmoro]

Is it expensive? We don't have enough money, as we spend the most of the money on economy improvement.

Naw, hardly. They're meant to be cheap and reliable and easy to use, though not particular fantastic for accuracy or kill-power. I'll slap in a shipment with the rifles and arty for free, I'm just curious if you wanted some.

Yes, please. Does Mughal has any interest with Tibet?

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Okay but like Japan has not actually invaded anything like at all ever.

They have an infamy score of like 0.

I don't see why this not even secondary power is now a global threat and everyone needs to form an informal coalition to stop them.

I've only asked for the Dual Administration of Korea to end and denied a A Mutual Defense Agreement which I had to hands down decline...

And I'm not even officially an Empire...

Well you've pressured and hinted at wanting us to get rid of Port Arthur and that Manchuria is a puppet of Russia, which is not necessarily true. Regardless, Russia is just checking their corners, don't take it personally Kis...

[The Vaktovian Empire]

What I'm trying to address is that even though he hasn't expanded at all yet, his government is ultra-imperialist and that's public knowledge. They were backed by an expansionist, yet Democratic nation; Anglois, and they have the potential to become a threat, and if we're following this realistically, once Japan sets sights and god-forbid gets Manchuria, they're going to target China next, and the Chinese ain't too nifty or advanced even though they're getting fair Alaskan support, and with that in mind, you conquer China your one skip and a jump away from the Mughals, or Siam for that matter.

Okay and?

Like I said, he's still yet to conquer anything. He is yet to even try to conquer anything.

The fear of Japan is unwarranted. Especially since you are a European based great power and Japan is an Asian not even secondary power. There is no way the Russian Empire would fear Japan. Hell, the barely feared them leading up to the Russo-Japanese War due to European arrogance and Japan was certainly considered a secondary power then, perhaps even a great power. This is Japan that is not a secondary power. So the arrogance would be much worse.

I'll keep that in mind, I apologize for the confusion Glit

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Well you've pressured and hinted at wanting us to get rid of Port Arthur and that Manchuria is a puppet of Russia, which is not necessarily true. Regardless, Russia is just checking their corners, don't take it personally Kis...

Except I'm pretty sure he said all of that in the OOC and not the IC???

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

I'll keep that in mind, I apologize for the confusion Glit

Thank you, and please do.

Otherwise it is pretty much meta-gaming.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Naw, hardly. They're meant to be cheap and reliable and easy to use, though not particular fantastic for accuracy or kill-power. I'll slap in a shipment with the rifles and arty for free, I'm just curious if you wanted some.

Yes, please. Does Mughal has any interest with Tibet?

Sure. We'd like stability on our northern border as both a trade artery to China and to cut down on brigandry in our northern provinces. Pulling up the standards of living there is at least partially dependent on pulling up your standards of living, and the less warlordism and bandits there are crossing from Tibet the better for the Mughals.

[Kisinger]

Okay but like Japan has not actually invaded anything like at all ever.

They have an infamy score of like 0.

I don't see why this not even secondary power is now a global threat and everyone needs to form an informal coalition to stop them.

I'm not saying they're a global threat. It's just Russia is the first who has felt threatened by a growing military presence from them near and somewhat inside Russian territorial waters, especially near Port Arthur, so they're addressing major Asian powers specifically Eastern Asia of this threat they feel is somewhat important for this time period leading up to a Great War conflict, and are getting others involved so they are A. Not alone, and B. can deal with even the slightest possibility of a successful Japanese Empire or expanded one, together as a group instead of one nation trying to.

You aren't factoring in that Alaska wants no part in a GW, and if the Great War did break out I'd more than likely join against you and I don't think Scotland and Alaska want to take that risk... Not to mention when they are focused on a crumbling Spainsh Empire

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

You aren't factoring in that Alaska wants no part in a GW, and if the Great War did break out I'd more than likely join against you and I don't think Scotland and Alaska want to take that risk... Not to mention when they are focused on a crumbling Spainsh Empire

Yeah Buj and I are staying out of the Great War unless one of us is directly attacked.

Mainly bc neither of us have anything to gain and we are not part of the alliance blocs, and also bc neither of us have time to partake in the Great War very well/

[The Vaktovian Empire]

I'm not saying they're a global threat. It's just Russia is the first who has felt threatened by a growing military presence from them near and somewhat inside Russian territorial waters, especially near Port Arthur, so they're addressing major Asian powers specifically Eastern Asia of this threat they feel is somewhat important for this time period leading up to a Great War conflict, and are getting others involved so they are A. Not alone, and B. can deal with even the slightest possibility of a successful Japanese Empire or expanded one, together as a group instead of one nation trying to.

You aren't factoring in that Alaska wants no part in a GW, and if the Great War did break out I'd more than likely join against you and I don't think Scotland and Alaska want to take that risk... Not to mention when they are focused on a crumbling Spainsh Empire

It'd be a coin toss with Alaska. As for the Scottish yeah, I defiently agree with you. But Alaska has more to lose if we lose Manchuria and our influence in the Pacific. Because we're a primary power that supports the bolstering of China as a stronger power (By Alaska might I add) because we see it as no problem as the Alaskans are originally Russians and for the past 40+ years have shown no interest in holding a former Colony-Motherland grudge. We're kinda like IRL America-Britain although my Historical relationship I wrote up for Russia didn't include much between us and Alaska... mostly because even though we can agree on most things and negotiate easily when we need to, and we're very close to eachother (IRL Alaska-Eastern Siberia tip) We don't need to get involved in eachother's business because we do our own things in our own spheres of influence. However, like I said, it could be a potential hit if we god forbid lose to you Japanese because then Alaska is -1 an ally in the Pacific and they're +1 an expanding Asian power which most likely doesn't care a whole lot about the Chinese with your current foreign policy.
However, I do see your point. Really, Russia is just getting the Mughals and Alaska noticing of the situation because A. Nicholas II might be jumping the gun a little here and overreacting, but also B. Russia right now is preparing for a Great War scenario, so in every sense, on every front they can imagine, they want to be prepared and know who they want on their side, and who is drawing the line in front of their cannons and cavalry.

[Bujahla]

@Vak, interesting idea. Are you suggesting direct action against them preemptively or...

Kinda flaunt your power around and show your effectiveness and military prowess for your regional power in the area. Same thing I advised the Mughals to do. In this way, I hope we can both avoid Japanese intentions and actions in a Great War (of which we know every nation wants to limit the nations involved to a minimum but Russia can't escape involvement at this point, with Japan there's still a chance to discourage them enough)
My thinking is, if you and the Mughals show your support for Asian sovereignty of different nations, as in not just Russia but China, Manchuria, the Mughals, Siam, etc, and the Alaskan holdings in the Philippines, than Japan is going to be less apt to fuck with one of us if they know they might have to fuck with all of us. We're not united necessarily because we support or commemorate what we do in our own realms, but this area of the world is kind of a quasi-cooperative esque area, and an underdeveloped one, especially with China. It's necessary for the three of us, as well as Siam and China (Who I didn't TG because Siam won't scare the Japanese as much in my opinion) to show our military power and how we're not going to back down or allow a Japanese Empire. Not only is this a Great War threat, it's an expansionist Japanese threat and a threat for a premature, in-progress Japanese Empire, which again, none of us wants. So for right now, no direct military action, more flaunting of power, like the U.S against Japan, only they were more developed IRL than I think you could consider Japan is in this RP, and plus Russia and America weren't as close IRL, which led to the ability for Tojo to pull it off, in this RP we are closer or at least can get along in common terms easier.

Honestly we don't see Japan as a threat and aren't gonna do anything about them.

[Kisinger]

Now I feel bad for Russia ;-; He just had most of his support ripped from him

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Now I feel bad for Russia ;-; He just had most of his support ripped from him

Well I mean he can't get what he never ad taken away from him, or at least that is one way to look at it.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Now I feel bad for Russia ;-; He just had most of his support ripped from him

Well I mean he can't get what he never ad taken away from him, or at least that is one way to look at it.

Truueee

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Kinda flaunt your power around and show your effectiveness and military prowess for your regional power in the area. Same thing I advised the Mughals to do. In this way, I hope we can both avoid Japanese intentions and actions in a Great War (of which we know every nation wants to limit the nations involved to a minimum but Russia can't escape involvement at this point, with Japan there's still a chance to discourage them enough)
My thinking is, if you and the Mughals show your support for Asian sovereignty of different nations, as in not just Russia but China, Manchuria, the Mughals, Siam, etc, and the Alaskan holdings in the Philippines, than Japan is going to be less apt to fuck with one of us if they know they might have to fuck with all of us. We're not united necessarily because we support or commemorate what we do in our own realms, but this area of the world is kind of a quasi-cooperative esque area, and an underdeveloped one, especially with China. It's necessary for the three of us, as well as Siam and China (Who I didn't TG because Siam won't scare the Japanese as much in my opinion) to show our military power and how we're not going to back down or allow a Japanese Empire. Not only is this a Great War threat, it's an expansionist Japanese threat and a threat for a premature, in-progress Japanese Empire, which again, none of us wants. So for right now, no direct military action, more flaunting of power, like the U.S against Japan, only they were more developed IRL than I think you could consider Japan is in this RP, and plus Russia and America weren't as close IRL, which led to the ability for Tojo to pull it off, in this RP we are closer or at least can get along in common terms easier.

Honestly we don't see Japan as a threat and aren't gonna do anything about them.

Of jkings, but, 30 Years Later

[Altito Asmoro]

Yes, please. Does Mughal has any interest with Tibet?

Sure. We'd like stability on our northern border as both a trade artery to China and to cut down on brigandry in our northern provinces. Pulling up the standards of living there is at least partially dependent on pulling up your standards of living, and the less warlordism and bandits there are crossing from Tibet the better for the Mughals.

To pull up our standards of living meaning we must have strong economy first. Savoy's money make the progress continue, a bit faster.

Less warlordism and bandits requires military modernization, something that Mughal can provide to us.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Now I feel bad for Russia ;-; He just had most of his support ripped from him

Yeah, it's alright though. At least ICly the Tsar has made it aware of to the right people so that if you should try something and start expanding out of nowhere you might gain some attention or heat. It's just right now, you're not eyed as a threat because of the fact you haven't done anything yet. At this point, I'd take the deal I gave you ICly, or maybe it was OOCly, idk, which was negotiating on a settlement on who controls Sakhalin (Our northernmost island territorial dispute) as well as Port Arthur and its territorial control. The Manchurians however, are sovereign and should you attack them, Russia will back them. (OOCly thought they kindof are our puppet HUEHUEHUE)