Forge of Empires II - AH RP [OOC/Open!]

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Heh, your serious fleet is a quarter of the size of the Mughal navy, and less than a half of the size of her battleships. Even so, whether the Scottish people would be willing to fight for a nation they're only trading with... eh.

Oh no? I mean, the Mughals could certainly go Banana Wars on Daksina, ensuring a friendly regime is in place with useful trade relations. It'd be hard to justify annexing the whole thing, certainly, but the functional difference between a puppet government + concessions/harbors and annexation is little.

To be honest? Not really worried about Siam. I have no intention of invading it in the near future, and even if I did, Siam is a mouthful. With Scottish support? Still a mouthful, just a touch harder to swallow. Scotland can hurt the Mughals at sea if she decides to really try, but really trying involves discarding any plans with Hispania/leaving the homeland undefended/extensive mobilization... all to support a tiny nation in South-East Asia her public probably cares little about.

Also consider we have one of the most modern and premier navies in the world. My navy is also not entirely lolhuge bc I built it with being a big secondary power in mind, and had no idea I was actually considering a great power until more recently (like a day or two before Buj left for Chicago). Plus we are also trading with you and :notAustralia: the difference is for some reason I have a sphere (see the I was unexpectedly a great power bit). I don't see how logically we wouldn't defend our sphere, or if I would even have to defend my sphere (this is largely because I have no idea how the fuck spheres work). I mean the relationship with the Mughals and :notAustralia: is very similar, with the exception of the whole sphere thing. Also if you're not invading Siam and undermining our sphere there, then I don't have to justify defending it elsewhere because I abandoned it in Siam. Like I said, I honestly have no idea how spheres work.

Also if you're going to go Banana Wars on it, who the fuck cares. The only thing is if you start annexing land.

I mean it is likely to get eaten itself and lose Mexico, but at least player interaction ey?

Essentially yes. Also, there's somewhat of a chance to not get eaten if it plays it's cards right. The trick would be to have the leaders read up on the probably very public Alaskan notMonroe doctrine, and subsequently fortify everything, and prepare to escalate things to a world war if necessary by acquiring allies. It might not work, but it'd be fun to try.

And strong allies are going to be in the Great War soon, and the issue with joining a bloc is you now add Scotland and Alaska to the great war, bringing in every great power when it is only supposed to be six of them.

Besides, the :notMonroe: Doctrine is hella old, and is not being used to justify the war. It only deters people from gaining new land in the Americas, not keeping old. Plus that would be fairly meta-gamey.

I mean you will likely lose Mexico (it has an anti-imperialist and presumed independence movement there currently) but you don't have to lose much else. Besides, any plans for the war would be made between you, Buj, Baja (Venezuela also wants in), and I. Cannot have a war without planning and coordination. Or at least a semi-realistic war.

Also re the AAA Alliance:

Aragon and the HF really do not like each other. They're friendly by no means at all. They aren't violently opposed to one another (as in neither wants to unite Iberia), but they are not friends. The Scots can use their influence over the Anglios to keep you out as well.

And in terms of the German block, well do they really want to fight Scotland and Alaska in the Great War too?

Also blocs are intended for the GPs, not SPs.

Basically, the war that is going down is going to be similar to the Spanish-American War. Scotland is just entering as a co-belligerent for Alaska and hitting the Spanish fleets and trying to isolate them from their holdings in the Americas. I'm not actually gaining much if any land (if I gain anything it is the South Atlantic islands).

[Aldelxane]

Heh, your serious fleet is a quarter of the size of the Mughal navy, and less than a half of the size of her battleships. Even so, whether the Scottish people would be willing to fight for a nation they're only trading with... eh.

Oh no? I mean, the Mughals could certainly go Banana Wars on Daksina, ensuring a friendly regime is in place with useful trade relations. It'd be hard to justify annexing the whole thing, certainly, but the functional difference between a puppet government + concessions/harbors and annexation is little.

To be honest? Not really worried about Siam. I have no intention of invading it in the near future, and even if I did, Siam is a mouthful. With Scottish support? Still a mouthful, just a touch harder to swallow. Scotland can hurt the Mughals at sea if she decides to really try, but really trying involves discarding any plans with Hispania/leaving the homeland undefended/extensive mobilization... all to support a tiny nation in South-East Asia her public probably cares little about.

Also consider we have one of the most modern and premier navies in the world. My navy is also not entirely lolhuge bc I built it with being a big secondary power in mind, and had no idea I was actually considering a great power until more recently (like a day or two before Buj left for Chicago). Plus we are also trading with you and :notAustralia: the difference is for some reason I have a sphere (see the I was unexpectedly a great power bit). I don't see how logically we wouldn't defend our sphere, or if I would even have to defend my sphere (this is largely because I have no idea how the fuck spheres work). I mean the relationship with the Mughals and :notAustralia: is very similar, with the exception of the whole sphere thing. Also if you're not invading Siam and undermining our sphere there, then I don't have to justify defending it elsewhere because I abandoned it in Siam. Like I said, I honestly have no idea how spheres work.

Also if you're going to go Banana Wars on it, who the fuck cares. The only thing is if you start annexing land.

Essentially yes. Also, there's somewhat of a chance to not get eaten if it plays it's cards right. The trick would be to have the leaders read up on the probably very public Alaskan notMonroe doctrine, and subsequently fortify everything, and prepare to escalate things to a world war if necessary by acquiring allies. It might not work, but it'd be fun to try.

And strong allies are going to be in the Great War soon, and the issue with joining a bloc is you now add Scotland and Alaska to the great war, bringing in every great power when it is only supposed to be six of them.

Besides, the :notMonroe: Doctrine is hella old, and is not being used to justify the war. It only deters people from gaining new land in the Americas, not keeping old. Plus that would be fairly meta-gamey.

I mean you will likely lose Mexico (it has an anti-imperialist and presumed independence movement there currently) but you don't have to lose much else. Besides, any plans for the war would be made between you, Buj, Baja (Venezuela also wants in), and I. Cannot have a war without planning and coordination. Or at least a semi-realistic war.

Also re the AAA Alliance:

Aragon and the HF really do not like each other. They're friendly by no means at all. They aren't violently opposed to one another (as in neither wants to unite Iberia), but they are not friends. The Scots can use their influence over the Anglios to keep you out as well.

And in terms of the German block, well do they really want to fight Scotland and Alaska in the Great War too?

Also blocs are intended for the GPs, not SPs.

Basically, the war that is going down is going to be similar to the Spanish-American War. Scotland is just entering as a co-belligerent for Alaska and hitting the Spanish fleets and trying to isolate them from their holdings in the Americas. I'm not actually gaining much if any land (if I gain anything it is the South Atlantic islands).

You are probably right. The issue is that nobody is really willing to challenge America or an America analogue in the 20th century, AFAIK. Also, shouldn't the fact that Mexico is an equal partner in a Federation count for something more than what Buj seems to be portraying?

Edit: If a nation has a policy of attacking European powers in the Americas, it's fairly reasonable to expect European powers in the Americas to be nervous.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Also consider we have one of the most modern and premier navies in the world. My navy is also not entirely lolhuge bc I built it with being a big secondary power in mind, and had no idea I was actually considering a great power until more recently (like a day or two before Buj left for Chicago). Plus we are also trading with you and :notAustralia: the difference is for some reason I have a sphere (see the I was unexpectedly a great power bit). I don't see how logically we wouldn't defend our sphere, or if I would even have to defend my sphere (this is largely because I have no idea how the fuck spheres work). I mean the relationship with the Mughals and :notAustralia: is very similar, with the exception of the whole sphere thing. Also if you're not invading Siam and undermining our sphere there, then I don't have to justify defending it elsewhere because I abandoned it in Siam. Like I said, I honestly have no idea how spheres work.

Also if you're going to go Banana Wars on it, who the fuck cares. The only thing is if you start annexing land.



And strong allies are going to be in the Great War soon, and the issue with joining a bloc is you now add Scotland and Alaska to the great war, bringing in every great power when it is only supposed to be six of them.

Besides, the :notMonroe: Doctrine is hella old, and is not being used to justify the war. It only deters people from gaining new land in the Americas, not keeping old. Plus that would be fairly meta-gamey.

I mean you will likely lose Mexico (it has an anti-imperialist and presumed independence movement there currently) but you don't have to lose much else. Besides, any plans for the war would be made between you, Buj, Baja (Venezuela also wants in), and I. Cannot have a war without planning and coordination. Or at least a semi-realistic war.

Also re the AAA Alliance:

Aragon and the HF really do not like each other. They're friendly by no means at all. They aren't violently opposed to one another (as in neither wants to unite Iberia), but they are not friends. The Scots can use their influence over the Anglios to keep you out as well.

And in terms of the German block, well do they really want to fight Scotland and Alaska in the Great War too?

Also blocs are intended for the GPs, not SPs.

Basically, the war that is going down is going to be similar to the Spanish-American War. Scotland is just entering as a co-belligerent for Alaska and hitting the Spanish fleets and trying to isolate them from their holdings in the Americas. I'm not actually gaining much if any land (if I gain anything it is the South Atlantic islands).

You are probably right. The issue is that nobody is really willing to challenge America or an America analogue in the 20th century, AFAIK. Also, shouldn't the fact that Mexico is an equal partner in a Federation count for something more than what Buj seems to be portraying?

The issue is that it just makes it hell for your side during the Great War if you try.

But like I said, this is going down similar to the Spanish-American War. It is likely to not be too bad for you.

You will probably lose Mexico and it will probably be similar to IRL Cuba and get fucked over by Alaska pretty hard government wise. Expect to lose a few Caribbean islands, but not all of them (my prediction is PR, the Virgin Islands, and maybe the Bahamas to Alaska and a few tiny ones to Venezuela) and your South Atlantic islands to me. But, all in all you keep Spain proper and Morocco. In fact comparing the Spanish-American War to the Spanish-Alaskan War, the results are likely to be pretty similar. Plus you don't lose the Philippines bc well you never owned them so that's a plus right?

[Promethius Prime]

I'm going to have this accepted.
However, I assume you purchased the Mausers from the Mauser Company, yeah? Just want to make sure, since I'm the German player.

I would assume so if that is alright with you; if not I'll have to make do with cheap knock-offs.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Also consider we have one of the most modern and premier navies in the world. My navy is also not entirely lolhuge bc I built it with being a big secondary power in mind, and had no idea I was actually considering a great power until more recently (like a day or two before Buj left for Chicago). Plus we are also trading with you and :notAustralia: the difference is for some reason I have a sphere (see the I was unexpectedly a great power bit). I don't see how logically we wouldn't defend our sphere, or if I would even have to defend my sphere (this is largely because I have no idea how the fuck spheres work). I mean the relationship with the Mughals and :notAustralia: is very similar, with the exception of the whole sphere thing. Also if you're not invading Siam and undermining our sphere there, then I don't have to justify defending it elsewhere because I abandoned it in Siam. Like I said, I honestly have no idea how spheres work.

Also if you're going to go Banana Wars on it, who the fuck cares. The only thing is if you start annexing land.



And strong allies are going to be in the Great War soon, and the issue with joining a bloc is you now add Scotland and Alaska to the great war, bringing in every great power when it is only supposed to be six of them.

Besides, the :notMonroe: Doctrine is hella old, and is not being used to justify the war. It only deters people from gaining new land in the Americas, not keeping old. Plus that would be fairly meta-gamey.

I mean you will likely lose Mexico (it has an anti-imperialist and presumed independence movement there currently) but you don't have to lose much else. Besides, any plans for the war would be made between you, Buj, Baja (Venezuela also wants in), and I. Cannot have a war without planning and coordination. Or at least a semi-realistic war.

Also re the AAA Alliance:

Aragon and the HF really do not like each other. They're friendly by no means at all. They aren't violently opposed to one another (as in neither wants to unite Iberia), but they are not friends. The Scots can use their influence over the Anglios to keep you out as well.

And in terms of the German block, well do they really want to fight Scotland and Alaska in the Great War too?

Also blocs are intended for the GPs, not SPs.

Basically, the war that is going down is going to be similar to the Spanish-American War. Scotland is just entering as a co-belligerent for Alaska and hitting the Spanish fleets and trying to isolate them from their holdings in the Americas. I'm not actually gaining much if any land (if I gain anything it is the South Atlantic islands).

You are probably right. The issue is that nobody is really willing to challenge America or an America analogue in the 20th century, AFAIK. Also, shouldn't the fact that Mexico is an equal partner in a Federation count for something more than what Buj seems to be portraying?

Edit: If a nation has a policy of attacking European powers in the Americas, it's fairly reasonable to expect European powers in the Americas to be nervous.

Sorry for double post, but it doesn't.

The policy is basically "Europeans shall not try to recolonize independent nations in the Americans without Alaskan intervention" not "no Europeans can have land in the Americas". Keep in mind Scotland owns a nice chunk of the Americans and Alaska gives no fuck.

Basically, leave the land in Alaska's sphere alone and they don't care if you have old land in the Americas, you just are not getting new land via the policy.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Also consider we have one of the most modern and premier navies in the world. My navy is also not entirely lolhuge bc I built it with being a big secondary power in mind, and had no idea I was actually considering a great power until more recently (like a day or two before Buj left for Chicago). Plus we are also trading with you and :notAustralia: the difference is for some reason I have a sphere (see the I was unexpectedly a great power bit). I don't see how logically we wouldn't defend our sphere, or if I would even have to defend my sphere (this is largely because I have no idea how the fuck spheres work). I mean the relationship with the Mughals and :notAustralia: is very similar, with the exception of the whole sphere thing. Also if you're not invading Siam and undermining our sphere there, then I don't have to justify defending it elsewhere because I abandoned it in Siam. Like I said, I honestly have no idea how spheres work.

Also if you're going to go Banana Wars on it, who the fuck cares. The only thing is if you start annexing land.

Certainly- plus justifying a lolhuge navy with a population of ~28 million is a bit of a stretch; even GB, which at the time had the financial support and the resources of the Raj and countless other colonies, only had a navy around the size of the current Scottish one (excepting Dreads). Scotland doesn't have near the resources of IRL GB, even though she is very developed and well-to-do for our timeline. Realistically, Scotland will not find it financially expedient to increase their navy size, while other naval powers are still building. Unless you want to go the way of the Dread race of IRL, which doomed the British Empire.

True, you are trading both with the Mughals and Daksina- but if we compare quantity and value of trade, well, Daksina is likely a bit lower down there. Sphering is really a very informal process, where nations have priority interests in other nations- case in point, the US and her Monroe Doctrine. Do you have to defend your sphere? Nah. Might you want to? Possibly, if you think the disruption in trade/friendly governments is worth it.

[Aldelxane]

You are probably right. The issue is that nobody is really willing to challenge America or an America analogue in the 20th century, AFAIK. Also, shouldn't the fact that Mexico is an equal partner in a Federation count for something more than what Buj seems to be portraying?

The issue is that it just makes it hell for your side during the Great War if you try.

But like I said, this is going down similar to the Spanish-American War. It is likely to not be too bad for you.

You will probably lose Mexico and it will probably be similar to IRL Cuba and get fucked over by Alaska pretty hard government wise. Expect to lose a few Caribbean islands, but not all of them (my prediction is PR, the Virgin Islands, and maybe the Bahamas to Alaska and a few tiny ones to Venezuela) and your South Atlantic islands to me. But, all in all you keep Spain proper and Morocco. In fact comparing the Spanish-American War to the Spanish-Alaskan War, the results are likely to be pretty similar. Plus you don't lose the Philippines bc well you never owned them so that's a plus right?

Spain without colonies is essentially nothing, since it has no prospects for industrialization given it's inferior and hard to get at coal. Losing Mexico would probably cause an economic collapse IMO.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Certainly- plus justifying a lolhuge navy with a population of ~28 million is a bit of a stretch; even GB, which at the time had the financial support and the resources of the Raj and countless other colonies, only had a navy around the size of the current Scottish one (excepting Dreads). Scotland doesn't have near the resources of IRL GB, even though she is very developed and well-to-do for our timeline. Realistically, Scotland will not find it financially expedient to increase their navy size, while other naval powers are still building. Unless you want to go the way of the Dread race of IRL, which doomed the British Empire.

True, you are trading both with the Mughals and Daksina- but if we compare quantity and value of trade, well, Daksina is likely a bit lower down there. Sphering is really a very informal process, where nations have priority interests in other nations- case in point, the US and her Monroe Doctrine. Do you have to defend your sphere? Nah. Might you want to? Possibly, if you think the disruption in trade/friendly governments is worth it.

Basically the navy is so lolhuge bc we've been subsidizing the fuck out of it forever. And re-Dreads, I was given that number by Buj and did not actually care too much about them. So nah not really caring about any of that. We are building our first Super-Dread, but we are only gonna have two of those. Three at most, but I doubt that number.

And that sounds fine then, if I don't actually have to defend my sphere who gives a fuck. The only issue was ICly I did not know if I could justify not going to war for :notAustralia:. And as you said, Mughal money is far superior to :notAustralian: money so.

[Aldelxane]

Honestly there's not much worth RPing, since the Hispanic Federation is predestined to fail, and La Plata can't move without being attacked by Nova Roma and possibly Alaska, and there isn't much else left to RP.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Honestly there's not much worth RPing, since the Hispanic Federation is predestined to fail, and La Plata can't move without being attacked by Nova Roma and possibly Alaska, and there isn't much else left to RP.

Well, you can always app as rebels, or a governor, or whatever.

[Liecthenbourg]

Honestly there's not much worth RPing, since the Hispanic Federation is predestined to fail, and La Plata can't move without being attacked by Nova Roma and possibly Alaska, and there isn't much else left to RP.

I'd go with the HF.
I'd play it in a style where it free's Mexico off of the bat, rendering you free from a front and mainly focusing entirely on Europe + Africa + Some Carib islands.
You then trade with both Blocs for teh monies and ask for someone to help you industrialise.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Honestly there's not much worth RPing, since the Hispanic Federation is predestined to fail, and La Plata can't move without being attacked by Nova Roma and possibly Alaska, and there isn't much else left to RP.

I mean you can also apply for the Dual Kingdom

[Aldelxane]

Honestly there's not much worth RPing, since the Hispanic Federation is predestined to fail, and La Plata can't move without being attacked by Nova Roma and possibly Alaska, and there isn't much else left to RP.

I'd go with the HF.
I'd play it in a style where it free's Mexico off of the bat, rendering you free from a front and mainly focusing entirely on Europe + Africa + Some Carib islands.
You then trade with both Blocs for teh monies and ask for someone to help you industrialise.

Africa is all taken, trade is only fun for a couple of posts, and it's in nobody's interests to help Spain industrialize. Also, 'freeing' Mexico would be unrealistic, since it's an equal partner in a Federation AFAIK.

[Lunas Legion]

Honestly there's not much worth RPing, since the Hispanic Federation is predestined to fail, and La Plata can't move without being attacked by Nova Roma and possibly Alaska, and there isn't much else left to RP.

Balkans, man. We still need a Romania or a Greece.

[Aldelxane]

Honestly there's not much worth RPing, since the Hispanic Federation is predestined to fail, and La Plata can't move without being attacked by Nova Roma and possibly Alaska, and there isn't much else left to RP.

I mean you can also apply for the Dual Kingdom

Orson has Calt's app, which I can't really compete against.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I mean you can also apply for the Dual Kingdom

Orson has Calt's app, which I can't really compete against.

I mean you can also use Calt's app.

[Liecthenbourg]

Honestly there's not much worth RPing, since the Hispanic Federation is predestined to fail, and La Plata can't move without being attacked by Nova Roma and possibly Alaska, and there isn't much else left to RP.

Balkans, man. We still need a Romania or a Greece.

We have a Romania
It's "Black Marshes."

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Balkans, man. We still need a Romania or a Greece.

We have a Romania
It's "Black Marshes."

Greece tru.

The Balkan Wars are about to kick off, and Greece needs a player.

[Aldelxane]

Orson has Calt's app, which I can't really compete against.

I mean you can also use Calt's app.

But Orson put in an app first, meaning that with the exact same app, it'll probably come down to that.

[Liecthenbourg]

We have a Romania
It's "Black Marshes."

Greece tru.

The Balkan Wars are about to kick off, and Greece needs a player.

Behind the veil of the Balkan Wars, great powers are at work.

Speaking of which, I should really have the Illuminati be around.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I mean you can also use Calt's app.

But Orson put in an app first, meaning that with the exact same app, it'll probably come down to that.

No it will come down to the person's ability to RP since neither of them wrote the app.

[Aldelxane]

We have a Romania
It's "Black Marshes."

Greece tru.

The Balkan Wars are about to kick off, and Greece needs a player.

I might pick Greece to ruin ICD's plans join in, if I end up not being able to think of anything else.

[Aldelxane]

But Orson put in an app first, meaning that with the exact same app, it'll probably come down to that.

No it will come down to the person's ability to RP since neither of them wrote the app.

I don't know how good of an RPer Orson is...

[Liecthenbourg]

But Orson put in an app first, meaning that with the exact same app, it'll probably come down to that.

No it will come down to the person's ability to RP since neither of them wrote the app.

Mhm.
You could always base an application from Calt's, history wise, but make it your own, y'know?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

No it will come down to the person's ability to RP since neither of them wrote the app.

I don't know how good of an RPer Orson is...

Neither do we lmfao.