Alien Civilizations - OOC / Applications

[Oscalantine]

Where I am it's 2 pm. I venture you live in either China, Korea, Vietnam, or that general sea of Asia.

Korea. Thank you for remembering that we exist in East Asia ^^

[Normandy and Picardy]

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Looks awesome!
Also, have I missed anything recently. I was away from my computer.

Same here. The mechanics are a bit crazy but I can just about get a grasp of it. By the way, I like the map too.

[The Flame Dawn]

Looks awesome!
Also, have I missed anything recently. I was away from my computer.

Same here. The mechanics are a bit crazy but I can just about get a grasp of it. By the way, I like the map too.

Thank you. Also, I didn't realize there was a Map.

[G-Tech Corporation]

So the aerial roots attach to other objects and pull the entire tree along? That might work for younger trees, but the fluid pressure required to move a full-fledged tree will be quite impressive.

The point is: are you buying this or do I have to make another excuse? Please cut me some slack. It is 2am and I am in no place to crack my skull for biology which I haven't revisited since high school.

Anyhow, if enough can sprout from "Ents" fast and often enough, it could facilitate as movement. Now, that would be extremely slow... since you literally are growing a new set of roots to push the trees along. However, I feel like it would be fast enough to justify the movement notion while maintaining your logical reasoning that trees tend to be rigid and will break if you move the barks often enough.

*shrug*

Doesn't sound like walking, honestly. The fastest plant growth on record is 0.00003 kmph- if the trees are shooting out runners that quickly, fine. Those runners would have to grow for a bit to sustain the force of pulling along a full grown tree trunk however. Does that explain movement? Sure. At that rate, forests could migrate a quarter of a kilometer per year. Even if we make the Ents grow 10x faster than any real plant, that's still a movement rate of 2.5 kilometers every year.

[Jute]

They walk by removing their and replanting their roots, maybe? This is why it takes them so long to move, but it would have been a beneficial evolutionary trait, since you can find a better place to live that way and aren't bound to it. Especially helpful in cases of dryness, darkness etc.

Which makes sense- subtle turgor pressures often move trees over time anyway, and a stronger presence as well as actively detaching roots would allow a tree to move over time from place to place. They'd have a very hard time moving anywhere near a speed we would think of as walking though.

It'd still be moving, though There you have your explanation. Now let's move on.

[In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam]

Let's just say ENTS can walk
Pascals thing can do its thing.

[Oscalantine]

The point is: are you buying this or do I have to make another excuse? Please cut me some slack. It is 2am and I am in no place to crack my skull for biology which I haven't revisited since high school.

Anyhow, if enough can sprout from "Ents" fast and often enough, it could facilitate as movement. Now, that would be extremely slow... since you literally are growing a new set of roots to push the trees along. However, I feel like it would be fast enough to justify the movement notion while maintaining your logical reasoning that trees tend to be rigid and will break if you move the barks often enough.

*shrug*

Doesn't sound like walking, honestly. The fastest plant growth on record is 0.00003 kmph- if the trees are shooting out runners that quickly, fine. Those runners would have to grow for a bit to sustain the force of pulling along a full grown tree trunk however. Does that explain movement? Sure. At that rate, forests could migrate a quarter of a kilometer per year. Even if we make the Ents grow 10x faster than any real plant, that's still a movement rate of 2.5 kilometers every year.

When you start throwing numbers at this, I believe that I have made some success in negotiation but made you sour during the progress.

Not going to argue with the logic, but I am going to go on a roll and say that probably will be faster than that. Seriously, we have somewhat decent scientific backing now, couldn't you cut a break on this? Regardless, I don't have time to argue for other's approval from the masses when my own species needs help AND I need my fix of sleep. Going to settle on that and let the dices fall where it may.

G'night folks. And... before I go...

I wish to claim Firelands I ... or did someone already take that? I don't recall any app that I accepted taking firelands, so I am going to go on a whim and say that I do.

[Jack O Land]

Ah! A map!

I call dibs on Highland VI !
I'm never gonna see you suckers!

About the monastery: Denshu is a monastery in the same sense that the Mines of Moria is an iron mine. I'm relieved to know I can start with it. If you really need me to change the name, for example if there's actually a building called the Monastery available during the medieval era, I can change it to some made-up name, but I think that for the sake of clarity, calling it a monastery when my people are a race of monks (which is okay, right?) makes the most sense.

For my starting attributes, this isn't official, but I think I'm going to go with
Heavy Insulation (obviously)
Hierarchy (I wish more options were available, honestly, or this mechanic were taken out altogether)
and Tunneling Claws.

How should we calculate population? Mine's going to be very small.

[In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam]

What do you all think is the best strategy?

[In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam]

Also if hark doesn't mind I'll make a simpler version of the rules. Painfully.

[Harkback Union]

Ah! A map!

I call dibs on Highland VI !
I'm never gonna see you suckers!

About the monastery: Denshu is a monastery in the same sense that the Mines of Moria is an iron mine. I'm relieved to know I can start with it. If you really need me to change the name, for example if there's actually a building called the Monastery available during the medieval era, I can change it to some made-up name, but I think that for the sake of clarity, calling it a monastery when my people are a race of monks (which is okay, right?) makes the most sense.

For my starting attributes, this isn't official, but I think I'm going to go with
Heavy Insulation (obviously)
Hierarchy (I wish more options were available, honestly, or this mechanic were taken out altogether)
and Tunneling Claws.

How should we calculate population? Mine's going to be very small.

There will be a lot more options for social evolution! Just not at the start.

[The Flame Dawn]

What do you all think is the best strategy?

I think the best strategy is Hit-and-Run while when forced to fight in a head-to-head battle, try to out flank. Of course I'm a WW2 military freak so I think that it won't work well. I have a huge book about famous battles and how they were won, I may just use that.

[Jute]

What do you all think is the best strategy?

Varies on your starting location and species, as well as on your civilization.

Harkback, what is that deep purple spot in the map? It seems like it has an "R" on it. Also, the two greens are indistinguishable... or is there only one on the map?

[Turmenista]

Ah! A map!

I call dibs on Highland VI !
I'm never gonna see you suckers!

About the monastery: Denshu is a monastery in the same sense that the Mines of Moria is an iron mine. I'm relieved to know I can start with it. If you really need me to change the name, for example if there's actually a building called the Monastery available during the medieval era, I can change it to some made-up name, but I think that for the sake of clarity, calling it a monastery when my people are a race of monks (which is okay, right?) makes the most sense.

For my starting attributes, this isn't official, but I think I'm going to go with
Heavy Insulation (obviously)
Hierarchy (I wish more options were available, honestly, or this mechanic were taken out altogether)
and Tunneling Claws.

How should we calculate population? Mine's going to be very small.

There will be a lot more options for social evolution! Just not at the start.

Ok so, is this still going to be the official OOC or is that other link going to be it?

[The Flame Dawn]

What do you all think is the best strategy?

Varies on your starting location and species, as well as on your civilization.

Harkback, what is that deep purple spot in the map? It seems like it has an "R" on it. Also, the two greens are indistinguishable... or is there only one on the map?

Where's the map?

[In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam]

Order: when 0, -5 knowledge cap.
-1 tech, when tech >kc
Order = or < 30
Region over 1= -3 order.

[Harkback Union]

Here are example cycles for a civ in treelands:

The Hark-back.

Order at 6,
Health at 6.

Started with hierarchy (free camp).

Has Level 2 Constitution, Level 1 Reproduction, Level 3 Cognition, nothing special.

C: Start: 1 Population, 1 Village,
Increases pop by 1 with 1 reprod.
Gets 2 food and 2 Raw metarials and 2+2 manpower. Builds 2 Caves (4 manpower consumed).
At the end of the turn, all food is consumed, 2 Raw is stored. Gains 3 thought from cog, 1 from health, 2 is immedately spent on agricult tech.
2 T, 2 Knowledge cap remaining

C2: 2 Population
No pop increase this turn.
Gets food equal to pop + 2 Raw + 4 Manpower. Builds 1 garden with 3 Man, 1 Raw. Begins settling in nearby Treelands (1 manpower invested).
3 Raw stored, 6 T at the end of the turn (kept for now.)

C3: 2 Starting pop.
1 Pop increase this turn.
2 Pop assigned to garden, Generates +3 Food. Base income is 2 Food. Another 2 Raw Produced. 2 Manpower from order, 1 from the fresh pop for 3, 2 Manpower and 2 raw invested in new village, 1 manpower in settling nearby treelands (2).
3 out of 5 food was consumed, 2 Food and 2 raw stored.
+4 T for 10.

C4: 3+1 pop 2 (stored) + 2 (base) + 3 (garden) - 4 (consumed) = 3 Food
2 Working in farm
2 Generating MP
Industry: + 4 MP this turn, +2 Raw materials, All of that spent on 1 more garden and 1 more village.
3 Village, 2 Garden in total.
10+4 T, reserach Writing tech: -4 T => 10 T.

C5:-----Population-----Food------Raw-----MP-----
Starting:---4+1----------3----------0--------2------
Gardens:-----4----------+6---------0--------0----
Mines..........0..........0...........0.......0.....
Manpower....1...........0..........0.......+1.....
Build... Ahh screw this.

Volcano erupts and destroys the harkback.

As you can see, its not very difficult to expand your civilization. Gardens are key to long-term development.

[Jute]

Varies on your starting location and species, as well as on your civilization.

Harkback, what is that deep purple spot in the map? It seems like it has an "R" on it. Also, the two greens are indistinguishable... or is there only one on the map?

Where's the map?

http://imgur.com/I5WovFR

[Harkback Union]

Order: when 0, -5 knowledge cap.
-1 tech, when tech >kc
Order = or < 30
Region over 1= -3 order.

- 3 Order per cycle for each region you have over 1.
You can keep order with militia Warbands. Also 1 free manpower for every 3 order.
One awesome thing you can do is to pump up your order to 30 at start or something get the 10 free manpower each turn.

[The Flame Dawn]

Where's the map?

http://imgur.com/I5WovFR

What is the Key for the Map? I am curious because I'm thinking about where to put the Kettu.

[G-Tech Corporation]

*shrug*

Doesn't sound like walking, honestly. The fastest plant growth on record is 0.00003 kmph- if the trees are shooting out runners that quickly, fine. Those runners would have to grow for a bit to sustain the force of pulling along a full grown tree trunk however. Does that explain movement? Sure. At that rate, forests could migrate a quarter of a kilometer per year. Even if we make the Ents grow 10x faster than any real plant, that's still a movement rate of 2.5 kilometers every year.

When you start throwing numbers at this, I believe that I have made some success in negotiation but made you sour during the progress.

Not going to argue with the logic, but I am going to go on a roll and say that probably will be faster than that. Seriously, we have somewhat decent scientific backing now, couldn't you cut a break on this? Regardless, I don't have time to argue for other's approval from the masses when my own species needs help AND I need my fix of sleep. Going to settle on that and let the dices fall where it may.

G'night folks. And... before I go...

I wish to claim Firelands I ... or did someone already take that? I don't recall any app that I accepted taking firelands, so I am going to go on a whim and say that I do.

Haha no no, you proposed a realistic means by which trees can move- which is fantastic. I'm not sour on anything; I simply responded to your realistic proposal with a realistic respond- the cutting a break is saying the plants could propagate ten times faster than anything in a real plant, which is an acceptable suspension of disbelief honestly.

[Jute]

http://imgur.com/I5WovFR

What is the Key for the Map? I am curious because I'm thinking about where to put the Kettu.

Light gray is Windlands.

[Jute]

Do we need to post our traits here before posting in the IC thread?

[Harkback Union]

I'll be making some changes to the mechanics though as low starting food can cripple civs.
Civs starting in Desert and Highland, Coldland and Windland civs get +1 Culture each turn (you can spend culture and thought on social traits)

[Harkback Union]

Do we need to post our traits here before posting in the IC thread?

For now, just digest the thing. Its not final yet.