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So, what do you think about the monsterous rulebook.

Perfect! Lets get started with it ASAP!
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It could use some editing.
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BURN IT!
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Total votes : 32

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G-Tech Corporation
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:30 am

Oscalantine wrote:
So your problem doesn't lie in scientific backing but the actual lack of lore? If that's the case, I can always write more. The reasoning behind me stopping there isn't because I got nothing... I simply don't have the backing. If you need lore-building, you needn't tell me any more.

... but before you doubt me, I already have plenty going in the actual app. I am trying to summarize it as best possible for the masses.


Not really one or the other- it's with the lack of explanation within the lore. There are some salient points in your app, but it doesn't explain other things. Consider again the case of the first Feylin to manifest a dark energy field- even if it has drastically reduced energy requirements, it cannot speak, eat, touch, or communicate with its non-fielded brethren. On an inherent level it is genetically unfit, relying on others to bring it food and sustain its life. If it lives in a dwelling with a door, it cannot manipulate said door. It will dehydrate, in all likelihood, before the water to sustain its life can be integrated into its personal resonance field.

I'm just not understanding how they can be a functional species, since they'd have died out within a generation, or never emerged as a separate species/race in the first place.
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Postby Prusslandia » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:31 am

In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:
Jute wrote:Then how could you live there for a longer time?

because i'm the thing emitting the toxins.

You're every tree ? Bull.
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Postby Jute » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:32 am

In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:
Jute wrote:Then how could you live there for a longer time?

because i'm the thing emitting the toxins.

Alright. Do you think mine are scientifically sound? Cracked seems to have disagreed in the past, I think.
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

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Postby Jute » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:32 am

Prusslandia wrote:
In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:because i'm the thing emitting the toxins.

You're every tree ? Bull.

That's the question, could a snake kill itself with its own venom? :P
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby Oscalantine » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:33 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Oscalantine wrote:
So your problem doesn't lie in scientific backing but the actual lack of lore? If that's the case, I can always write more. The reasoning behind me stopping there isn't because I got nothing... I simply don't have the backing. If you need lore-building, you needn't tell me any more.

... but before you doubt me, I already have plenty going in the actual app. I am trying to summarize it as best possible for the masses.


Not really one or the other- it's with the lack of explanation within the lore. There are some salient points in your app, but it doesn't explain other things. Consider again the case of the first Feylin to manifest a dark energy field- even if it has drastically reduced energy requirements, it cannot speak, eat, touch, or communicate with its non-fielded brethren. On an inherent level it is genetically unfit, relying on others to bring it food and sustain its life. If it lives in a dwelling with a door, it cannot manipulate said door. It will dehydrate, in all likelihood, before the water to sustain its life can be integrated into its personal resonance field.

I'm just not understanding how they can be a functional species, since they'd have died out within a generation, or never emerged as a separate species/race in the first place.


I see what you are going at. I probably already mentioned that in the lore, but I understand that it is something that I need to explain further. I'll get back to you once I made that change.

Apart from that... I probably won't be reworking the entire species if extreme science backing is needed. So before I start editing... anything else that I need to cover?

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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:34 am

Prusslandia wrote:
In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:because i'm the thing emitting the toxins.

You're every tree ? Bull.

Not every tree does it.
But my trees do emit the toxins and so are naturally impervious to it.
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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:38 am

This is just for me
Hierarchy: +1 Starting Militia camp! + 1 Order each cycle!

Reproduction - Determines the rate at which you get more population. (Add 1 population each cycle For every Reproduction you have.)
Cognition - Determines Intelligence. (+1 Thought and +1 Knowledge capacity for each cognition.)

Special:
Fire resistence/starting
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:40 am

Oscalantine wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Not really one or the other- it's with the lack of explanation within the lore. There are some salient points in your app, but it doesn't explain other things. Consider again the case of the first Feylin to manifest a dark energy field- even if it has drastically reduced energy requirements, it cannot speak, eat, touch, or communicate with its non-fielded brethren. On an inherent level it is genetically unfit, relying on others to bring it food and sustain its life. If it lives in a dwelling with a door, it cannot manipulate said door. It will dehydrate, in all likelihood, before the water to sustain its life can be integrated into its personal resonance field.

I'm just not understanding how they can be a functional species, since they'd have died out within a generation, or never emerged as a separate species/race in the first place.


I see what you are going at. I probably already mentioned that in the lore, but I understand that it is something that I need to explain further. I'll get back to you once I made that change.

Apart from that... I probably won't be reworking the entire species if extreme science backing is needed. So before I start editing... anything else that I need to cover?


The only thing I'd say is that you should change "dark energy" to, say, "sonic resonance". Make them have an organ that throws off subconscious vibration at very high frequencies next to their skin- don't use science magic to explain it, just say the vibrations cause excruciating pain in organics and physical fracture in even modestly brittle materials, as well as macromolecular disintegration of softer materials. It makes sense, especially because they would all have slightly different resonance frequencies that can be inherently atuned over time to explain things gradually being able to enter their field. It stretches the bounds of science a bit, but far less than nebulous dark energy.
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Postby Oscalantine » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:43 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Oscalantine wrote:
I see what you are going at. I probably already mentioned that in the lore, but I understand that it is something that I need to explain further. I'll get back to you once I made that change.

Apart from that... I probably won't be reworking the entire species if extreme science backing is needed. So before I start editing... anything else that I need to cover?


The only thing I'd say is that you should change "dark energy" to, say, "sonic resonance". Make them have an organ that throws off subconscious vibration at very high frequencies next to their skin- don't use science magic to explain it, just say the vibrations cause excruciating pain in organics and physical fracture in even modestly brittle materials, as well as macromolecular disintegration of softer materials. It makes sense, especially because they would all have slightly different resonance frequencies that can be inherently atuned over time to explain things gradually being able to enter their field. It stretches the bounds of science a bit, but far less than nebulous dark energy.


Sonic Resonance... never touched that bound of science before. Regardless, I need to remake the app. Thanks for all the help, dude. I honestly look forward to how I will change my app.

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Postby Jute » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:45 am

Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:46 am



Huh, no central desert then.
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Postby Jute » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:47 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:


Huh, no central desert then.

Apparently?
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:48 am


I don't know what the roman numerals mean in this scenario...
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Postby Harkback Union » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:49 am

http://imgur.com/I5WovFR

Legend:

Bright green - Rainlands
Dark Green - Swamps
Dark Grey - Highlings
Light Grey - Windlands
Red-Brown - Deserts
Dark Red - Firelands
Pink - Coldlands
White - Ice sheet.
Blue - Oceans
Purple - Treelands.

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Postby Jute » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:49 am

In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:

I don't know what the roman numerals mean in this scenario...

Plot numbers
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby Jute » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:50 am

Harkback Union wrote:http://imgur.com/I5WovFR

Legend:

Bright green - Rainlands
Dark Green - Swamps
Dark Grey - Highlings
Light Grey - Windlands
Red-Brown - Deserts
Dark Red - Firelands
Pink - Coldlands
White - Ice sheet.
Blue - Oceans
Purple - Treelands.

Can I claim Windlands II?
Last edited by Jute on Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:51 am, edited 1 time in total.
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby Harkback Union » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:50 am

In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:

I don't know what the roman numerals mean in this scenario...


They are used to place your civ on the map!
"I Want to start in Rainland I." - For instance.
After I got flooded with special placement mails, I could no longer keep track of who wants to go where.

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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:50 am

Harkback Union wrote:http://imgur.com/I5WovFR

Legend:

Bright green - Rainlands
Dark Green - Swamps
Dark Grey - Highlings
Light Grey - Windlands
Red-Brown - Deserts
Dark Red - Firelands
Pink - Coldlands
White - Ice sheet.
Blue - Oceans
Purple - Treelands.

that... doesn't help at ALL
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Postby Jute » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:51 am

In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:http://imgur.com/I5WovFR

Legend:

Bright green - Rainlands
Dark Green - Swamps
Dark Grey - Highlings
Light Grey - Windlands
Red-Brown - Deserts
Dark Red - Firelands
Pink - Coldlands
White - Ice sheet.
Blue - Oceans
Purple - Treelands.

that... doesn't help at ALL

Why not?
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby Harkback Union » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:53 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:


Huh, no central desert then.


Well, You got Desert Region IV. Almost 100% free of ocean coast. You could sail in the swamps though.
I could also turn one of the windlands into deserts.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:53 am

Harkback Union wrote:http://imgur.com/I5WovFR

Legend:

Bright green - Rainlands
Dark Green - Swamps
Dark Grey - Highlings
Light Grey - Windlands
Red-Brown - Deserts
Dark Red - Firelands
Pink - Coldlands
White - Ice sheet.
Blue - Oceans
Purple - Treelands.


Dibs region II of Desert :P
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Postby Oscalantine » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:54 am

Scratch it. I am doing entire different app.
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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:55 am

Jute wrote:
In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:that... doesn't help at ALL

Why not?

it's incurable hard to tell what is what....
Maybe putting a
R for Rain
S for swamp
H for hgihlands
W for windlands
D for desert
F for firelands
C for coldlands
O for. Nope screw that. Just have that be blue
T fro treelands
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Postby Harkback Union » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:55 am

So, does everyone like the way this alien planet looks like?

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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:59 am

Harkback Union wrote:So, does everyone like the way this alien planet looks like?

it's good but the map could use some letters.
Also i would like to be in Forest 5
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