1991: A World with New Borders! REBOOT!!(OOC/Sign-Ups/ Open)

[Epraria]

The problem is that he is claiming half of the Mediterranean and a lot of territory that would have cast him off a long time ago,

I claimed the Loyalist parts of Rome, With a Joint Graeco-Roman state it would have rathered Rome then sticking it alone against the Musselmen

No surviving Rome. Seriously it fucks everyone's history up.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

I claimed the Loyalist parts of Rome, With a Joint Graeco-Roman state it would have rathered Rome then sticking it alone against the Musselmen

No surviving Rome. Seriously it fucks everyone's history up.

How so? It's the same thing as a United Italy..or an Ottoman Empire...People do a Surviving Byzantium all the time..

[Bolovia]

I claimed the Loyalist parts of Rome, With a Joint Graeco-Roman state it would have rathered Rome then sticking it alone against the Musselmen

No surviving Rome. Seriously it fucks everyone's history up.

Maybe an Italian state that tried to recreate the Roman empire with a certain degree of success perhaps, maybe called the Republic of Rome as Rome is stilled named Rome?

[Bolovia]

No surviving Rome. Seriously it fucks everyone's history up.

How so? It's the same thing as a United Italy..or an Ottoman Empire...People do a Surviving Byzantium all the time..

I'm all for an Ottoman Republic

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

How so? It's the same thing as a United Italy..or an Ottoman Empire...People do a Surviving Byzantium all the time..

I'm all for an Ottoman Republic

I',m asking him why it messes with anyone history?

[Epraria]

Either way it was a fun Idea, I'm switching to now be a more recent creation possibly the 1500's made up from an Italian state,

I hope you won't go and claim half of the Mediterranean again...

No surviving Rome. Seriously it fucks everyone's history up.

How so? It's the same thing as a United Italy..or an Ottoman Empire...People do a Surviving Byzantium all the time..

The Roman Empires collapse was what shaped the medieval ages and the eventual evolution of the modern nations we know of today. The earliest PoD we have is in the 16th century and for that to be ready we can't have a surviving Rome trotting around and claiming everything.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Either way it was a fun Idea, I'm switching to now be a more recent creation possibly the 1500's made up from an Italian state,

I hope you won't go and claim half of the Mediterranean again...

How so? It's the same thing as a United Italy..or an Ottoman Empire...People do a Surviving Byzantium all the time..

The Roman Empires collapse was what shaped the medieval ages and the eventual evolution of the modern nations we know of today. The earliest PoD we have is in the 16th century and for that to be ready we can't have a surviving Rome trotting around and claiming everything.

It still collapsed......It's just a Latin Cultured sucessor state....Why is this any differant from the Byzantine Empire, Give a real reason here.

[Gyrenaica]

Tag. Will make reservation when my computer is up and running. Can't make a map as it is broken...

[Neros]

Depends on which nations because if it's an Apartheid South Africa it won't work.

Okay.

Any other nations that are at least free to be taken in Europe?

Bro! Be the Bantu Federation, fuck Epi. Unite Sud-Africa based on Bantu tribal lines in order to dispel ethnic tensions. Like, the tribes are the states of the Federation, etc. It is realistically possible with a good reasoning and back story...though, development will still be a bit behind everyone else.

[Bolovia]

Tag. Will make reservation when my computer is up and running. Can't make a map as it is broken...

Hey there Gyre, thanks for the tag.

[Epraria]

I hope you won't go and claim half of the Mediterranean again...

The Roman Empires collapse was what shaped the medieval ages and the eventual evolution of the modern nations we know of today. The earliest PoD we have is in the 16th century and for that to be ready we can't have a surviving Rome trotting around and claiming everything.

It still collapsed......It's just a Latin Cultured sucessor state....Why is this any differant from the Byzantine Empire, Give a real reason here.

The Byzantine Empire became more and more Greek as time went on to the point where they used Greek rather than Latin. Then comes the fact that Byzantium while surviving for along time was a decaying state for the last few hundred years. It didn't see a giant comeback. Your Rome thing is apparently Rome suddenly making a come back despite the fact that the Visigoths, the Franks, the Pope, the HRE and all other states wanting Italy for themselves and then have Latin make a comeback. The Byzantine Empire at least survived to the 15th century giving it a lot of time and potential PoD, the western Empire did not last further than the 5th.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

It still collapsed......It's just a Latin Cultured sucessor state....Why is this any differant from the Byzantine Empire, Give a real reason here.

The Byzantine Empire became more and more Greek as time went on to the point where they used Greek rather than Latin. Then comes the fact that Byzantium while surviving for along time was a decaying state for the last few hundred years. It didn't see a giant comeback. Your Rome thing is apparently Rome suddenly making a come back despite the fact that the Visigoths, the Franks, the Pope, the HRE and all other states wanting Italy for themselves and then have Latin make a comeback. The Byzantine Empire at least survived to the 15th century giving it a lot of time and potential PoD, the western Empire did not last further than the 5th.

So? We have a fucking modern Aztec Republic and your complaining about Rome? Peasents revolts and reform Rome in italia Slowly rebuild and reestablish power (From one of the most powerful areas of Europe) then Spread through it's old unstable African territorie with it's most probable allies the Eastern Romans, Together they fight back the Moslem hordes and Have children marry, Reuniting the east and west, Done Alt History.

[Epraria]

The Byzantine Empire became more and more Greek as time went on to the point where they used Greek rather than Latin. Then comes the fact that Byzantium while surviving for along time was a decaying state for the last few hundred years. It didn't see a giant comeback. Your Rome thing is apparently Rome suddenly making a come back despite the fact that the Visigoths, the Franks, the Pope, the HRE and all other states wanting Italy for themselves and then have Latin make a comeback. The Byzantine Empire at least survived to the 15th century giving it a lot of time and potential PoD, the western Empire did not last further than the 5th.

So? We have a fucking modern Aztec Republic and your complaining about Rome? Peasents revolts and reform Rome in italia Slowly rebuild and reestablish power (From one of the most powerful areas of Europe) then Spread through it's old unstable African territorie with it's most probable allies the Eastern Romans, Together they fight back the Moslem hordes and Have children marry, Reuniting the east and west, Done Alt History.

Yes I'm complaining about Rome because it just spontaneously reforming is just silly. Why would the peasants revolt to reform Rome? How did this new Rome regain small of it without falling prey to other nations wishing to take control of Italy like the Lombards or the franks? How did they beat back the growing armies of the Muslims once they gained control over Persia? How come there wasn't any infighting between west and east for the title of the true Rome? If you want to make a new Roman Empire fine but make it after the Renaissance at least...

[Neros]

So? We have a fucking modern Aztec Republic and your complaining about Rome? Peasents revolts and reform Rome in italia Slowly rebuild and reestablish power (From one of the most powerful areas of Europe) then Spread through it's old unstable African territorie with it's most probable allies the Eastern Romans, Together they fight back the Moslem hordes and Have children marry, Reuniting the east and west, Done Alt History.

Yes I'm complaining about Rome because it just spontaneously reforming is just silly. Why would the peasants revolt to reform Rome? How did this new Rome regain small of it without falling prey to other nations wishing to take control of Italy like the Lombards or the franks? How did they beat back the growing armies of the Muslims once they gained control over Persia? How come there wasn't any infighting between west and east for the title of the true Rome? If you want to make a new Roman Empire fine but make it after the Renaissance at least...

Or have it based on the Romantic vision of Rome for the Italians following unification in the 1860s. Srs ep deny him until he shapes up and accepts constructive criticism.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Yes I'm complaining about Rome because it just spontaneously reforming is just silly. Why would the peasants revolt to reform Rome? How did this new Rome regain small of it without falling prey to other nations wishing to take control of Italy like the Lombards or the franks? How did they beat back the growing armies of the Muslims once they gained control over Persia? How come there wasn't any infighting between west and east for the title of the true Rome? If you want to make a new Roman Empire fine but make it after the Renaissance at least...

Or have it based on the Romantic vision of Rome for the Italians following unification in the 1860s. Srs ep deny him until he shapes up and accepts constructive criticism.

I already accepted mind you, so I don't need you saying anything God damnit

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

So? We have a fucking modern Aztec Republic and your complaining about Rome? Peasents revolts and reform Rome in italia Slowly rebuild and reestablish power (From one of the most powerful areas of Europe) then Spread through it's old unstable African territorie with it's most probable allies the Eastern Romans, Together they fight back the Moslem hordes and Have children marry, Reuniting the east and west, Done Alt History.

Yes I'm complaining about Rome because it just spontaneously reforming is just silly. Why would the peasants revolt to reform Rome? How did this new Rome regain small of it without falling prey to other nations wishing to take control of Italy like the Lombards or the franks? How did they beat back the growing armies of the Muslims once they gained control over Persia? How come there wasn't any infighting between west and east for the title of the true Rome? If you want to make a new Roman Empire fine but make it after the Renaissance at least...

Did you not just read I was going to do that?

[Of The Rnclave]

Reservations app:
NS Name: Australian Antarctica
Nation Name: California/Californian Republic
Land Claim(be reasonable): The Mexican Cession, Oregon, Washington, Alaska and what remains of Montana

Land claim requested by a friend, since he's on a phone currently

Lower Cali is owned by CSA, along with AZ and NM.

I think it'd be fun, and thhe CSA can have Panama or something for their pacific port, but a tri split North America would be cool

[Epraria]

Yes I'm complaining about Rome because it just spontaneously reforming is just silly. Why would the peasants revolt to reform Rome? How did this new Rome regain small of it without falling prey to other nations wishing to take control of Italy like the Lombards or the franks? How did they beat back the growing armies of the Muslims once they gained control over Persia? How come there wasn't any infighting between west and east for the title of the true Rome? If you want to make a new Roman Empire fine but make it after the Renaissance at least...

Did you not just read I was going to do that?

Then let me ask why would the peasants of Renaissance Italy care about revolting to reform the Roman Empire? The only ones who would care where the rulling elite. Why would any Italian state or European great power even let anyone try to reunite Italy or a Roman empire in this era. We all know the Italian States loved to backstabbing each other in that period.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Did you not just read I was going to do that?

Then let me ask why would the peasants of Renaissance Italy care about revolting to reform the Roman Empire? The only ones who would care where the rulling elite. Why would any Italian state or European great power even let anyone try to reunite Italy or a Roman empire in this era. We all know the Italian States loved to backstabbing each other in that period.

No...No no not that..That was just me talking about Plausibility I said upwards in the page about the 16th century thing.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

So now what I'm thinking is an Italian Napoleon happened, With mega Neo-Classicalism reestablishment of Latin language , Uniting the Italian people and fending off Foreigners, untill expanding across the pong to Africa, using Liberalism and Authoirtarianism to keep down the Arabs while the more populous Italians move into the gap in Libya, Following that a Coptic Revolt is sponsered, along with the Greeks who are inducted into the Empire, for Protection against the Former Turks and Arabs.

[Epraria]

So now what I'm thinking is an Italian Napoleon happened, With mega Neo-Classicalism reestablishment of Latin language , Uniting the Italian people and fending off Foreigners, untill expanding across the pong to Africa, using Liberalism and Authoirtarianism to keep down the Arabs while the more populous Italians move into the gap in Libya, Following that a Coptic Revolt is sponsered, along with the Greeks who are inducted into the Empire, for Protection against the Former Turks and Arabs.

Ok first of how did this Napoleon figure manage to reunite Italy without getting crushed by a coalition of France, Italian States and Austria who really don't want their play ground ruined? How would neo-classicism revive a dead language? How would the Italians conquer their way to own half of the freaking Mediterranean without a massive coalition standing in the way? How would the Italians change the fact that the Copts are not a majority in Egypt or that while the Balkan peopl's hate Kebab they don't like other people either and with the age of nationalism comming that would leave the question of how they did not gain independence by 1991.

[Marsisian]

So would anybody like to help me on my great crusade to liberate the Mayans?

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

So now what I'm thinking is an Italian Napoleon happened, With mega Neo-Classicalism reestablishment of Latin language , Uniting the Italian people and fending off Foreigners, untill expanding across the pong to Africa, using Liberalism and Authoirtarianism to keep down the Arabs while the more populous Italians move into the gap in Libya, Following that a Coptic Revolt is sponsered, along with the Greeks who are inducted into the Empire, for Protection against the Former Turks and Arabs.

Ok first of how did this Napoleon figure manage to reunite Italy without getting crushed by a coalition of France, Italian States and Austria who really don't want their play ground ruined? How would neo-classicism revive a dead language? How would the Italians conquer their way to own half of the freaking Mediterranean without a massive coalition standing in the way? How would the Italians change the fact that the Copts are not a majority in Egypt or that while the Balkan peopl's hate Kebab they don't like other people either and with the age of nationalism comming that would leave the question of how they did not gain independence by 1991.[/quote]
1: The Papal States (Where this Napoleone figure would come from has been historically allied to France, I see not why this would change with no threat to France, Austria was simply fought back with funding to other enemies of it, There have been more surprising victories than that in History.
-Neo-Classicalism: In this case it elevated to a Romanesque Nationalism that Deifies the Latin Culture, In the ways to Napoleon only with Latin instead of France, Where latin would be advanced as the natural language of the Italians, against the various dialects it would be used as a unifying force.
-The Copts are however a Huge Minority, and if other Christians came I would not doubt they would support them an topple their oppressors
-Same way the Occitans went in regards to the Balkans, The Promotion of Latin as the sole language of Empire, and Assimilating them or deporting some, The Balkans have historically been rather small in regards to the Population, and the Greeks would have a damned well near Deification in the new "Neo-Classicalism" so they would not be a problem especially in teh fight for Anatolia and their lost brethren.
-As well Egypt will be an Autonomous province governed by the Copts, while the rest of the Empire is ruled by the Graeco-Roman Elite (Roman meaning Romanized Italians who still embody the Italian culture but speak Latin. due to mass Literacy following the Industrial revolution.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Can someone at least it would be interesting to have a more Powerful state in Southern Europe for once? Rather then the Tradionally strong West?

[Epraria]

Ok first of how did this Napoleon figure manage to reunite Italy without getting crushed by a coalition of France, Italian States and Austria who really don't want their play ground ruined? How would neo-classicism revive a dead language? How would the Italians conquer their way to own half of the freaking Mediterranean without a massive coalition standing in the way? How would the Italians change the fact that the Copts are not a majority in Egypt or that while the Balkan peopl's hate Kebab they don't like other people either and with the age of nationalism comming that would leave the question of how they did not gain independence by 1991.

1: The Papal States (Where this Napoleone figure would come from has been historically allied to France, I see not why this would change with no threat to France, Austria was simply fought back with funding to other enemies of it, There have been more surprising victories than that in History.
-Neo-Classicalism: In this case it elevated to a Romanesque Nationalism that Deifies the Latin Culture, In the ways to Napoleon only with Latin instead of France, Where latin would be advanced as the natural language of the Italians, against the various dialects it would be used as a unifying force.
-The Copts are however a Huge Minority, and if other Christians came I would not doubt they would support them an topple their oppressors
-Same way the Occitans went in regards to the Balkans, The Promotion of Latin as the sole language of Empire, and Assimilating them or deporting some, The Balkans have historically been rather small in regards to the Population, and the Greeks would have a damned well near Deification in the new "Neo-Classicalism" so they would not be a problem especially in teh fight for Anatolia and their lost brethren.
-As well Egypt will be an Autonomous province governed by the Copts, while the rest of the Empire is ruled by the Graeco-Roman Elite (Roman meaning Romanized Italians who still embody the Italian culture but speak Latin. due to mass Literacy following the Industrial revolution.[/quote]
-Except France in this RP is Protestant and really doesn't like the Pope leading to them not liking the idea of a Papal States trying to unite Italy.
-I also see it hard for Latin just replace a language that had already replaced Latin everywhere in Italy. Just because it was the language of Rome didn't mean it would be seen as the true Italian language. It's harder than you think to replace languages.
-The Copts didn't rise up when Napoleon arrived, the copts didn't rise up when any major Christian power came. Why would the arrival of Italy-wank change anything?
-and of course that neglects that people are furiously stubborn to retain their own language. The Balkan people would not just stand there and have their language and culture taken from them without a bloody fight. The Greeks I also see would rather be independent and fight to unite all Greeks instead of being part of another Roman Empire.
-As the age of nationalism comes and colonialism falls those Arab territories including Egypt and Anatolia with it's Muslim majority would have revolted and gained independence a long time ago.