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Bolovia
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Postby Bolovia » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:50 pm

Kargintina wrote:
Of The Rnclave wrote:
Go ahead, we all know the CSA ain't gonna do it :p

*cries because its true*

*pops head out of nowhere* whats da matter boo? Anything Azteca can do?

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Postby Fascist Republic Of Bermuda » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:53 pm

Kargintina wrote:
Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:I would assume Germany, because rockets.

I mean, you can land a man on the moon, as long as the Germans were first. :p

Germany and CSA buddies?

Maybe. Depends on how much clay you into gib Reich.

Also, I will send you to ze Mün if you gib all clay.
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Postby Jeremy Beaver » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:54 pm

Lingria wrote:
Kargintina wrote:*cries because its true*

*Secretly gives CSA Space Rocket*

*Blows up space rocket*


Look the evil Chinese tried to bomb you! Glorious LEO Company save you!
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:56 pm

Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:
Kargintina wrote:Germany and CSA buddies?

Maybe. Depends on how much clay you into gib Reich.

Also, I will send you to ze Mün if you gib all clay.

Vile Germans! Give me back Schleswig and Holstein! :evil:
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Postby Lingria » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:57 pm

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Postby Fascist Republic Of Bermuda » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:59 pm

Jeremy Beaver wrote:
Lingria wrote:*Secretly gives CSA Space Rocket*

*Blows up space rocket*


Look the evil Chinese tried to bomb you! Glorious LEO Company save you!

Out of the way Constellation Co.! Glorious Kaiserreich vill exterminate all zee CSA's enemies for Anschluss! Friendship and Cooperation!

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:Maybe. Depends on how much clay you into gib Reich.

Also, I will send you to ze Mün if you gib all clay.

Vile Germans! Give me back Schleswig and Holstein! :evil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfgoK34cB74
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:00 pm

Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:
Jeremy Beaver wrote:*Blows up space rocket*


Look the evil Chinese tried to bomb you! Glorious LEO Company save you!

Out of the way Constellation Co.! Glorious Kaiserreich vill exterminate all zee CSA's enemies for Anschluss! Friendship and Cooperation!

Soviet Chernarus wrote:Vile Germans! Give me back Schleswig and Holstein! :evil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfgoK34cB74


Germany is a bully... :(
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Postby Of The Rnclave » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:00 pm

Lingria wrote:
Kargintina wrote:*cries because its true*

*Secretly gives CSA Space Rocket*


*Sets fire to CSA cotton* Whoops
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Postby Jeremy Beaver » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:01 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:Out of the way Constellation Co.! Glorious Kaiserreich vill exterminate all zee CSA's enemies for Anschluss! Friendship and Cooperation!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfgoK34cB74


Germany is a bully... :(

I help.

Where do want spy sattelite?
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:02 pm

Jeremy Beaver wrote:
Soviet Chernarus wrote:
Germany is a bully... :(

I help.

Where do want spy sattelite?

Hmmm...what exactly does spy satellite do? :eyebrow:
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Postby Of The Rnclave » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:03 pm

Bolovia wrote:
Kargintina wrote:*cries because its true*

*pops head out of nowhere* whats da matter boo? Anything Azteca can do?


Whatcha think of my new app Bolovia? :p
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Postby Jeremy Beaver » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:03 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
Jeremy Beaver wrote:I help.

Where do want spy sattelite?

Hmmm...what exactly does spy satellite do? :eyebrow:

We spy on germans.


We sell u info.

Is like walmart.
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Postby Fascist Republic Of Bermuda » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:04 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
Jeremy Beaver wrote:I help.

Where do want spy sattelite?

Hmmm...what exactly does spy satellite do? :eyebrow:

They get blown up by German Anti-Satellite Missiles, ja? :p
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Postby Of The Rnclave » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:04 pm

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Official Nation Name: Confederation of North America
Nation short Name: North America
Territorial Claims (Map Preferred): This territory works for me :p
Population: 322,005,000
Government Style: Constitutional Parliamentary Confederation
Capitol: Burgoyne ( OTL Philadelphia, changed when the popular Burgoyne was elected first Governor-General )
Head of State: Governor-General Bill Clinton
Head of Government: Governor-General Bill Clinton
Legislature type(ie Bicameral Tricameral etc): Tricameral

- Senate
- House of Representatives
- House of Govenors

Main Political Party(s): Peoples Coalition ( Liberal Party ) Collectivism Party ( OTL Syndicalism/Socialism ) Peace and Liberty Party ( Libertarian Party )
Political beliefs: Left Libertarianism, Classical Liberalism
Political Agenda and/or goals: Maintain it's position as the premier economic power and expand markets to Africa

Military information:
Foreign Policy: Xenophobic, do not get involved unless provoked, neutral
Military Branch names:

Confederate Air Force
Confederate Army
Confederate Navy

Size of each military branch

Active - 233,000
Reserve - 207,000
Total - 640,000
Type(s) of Automatic Rifle: M16A3
Type(s) of Pistol: M1911
Number and Type(S) of MBT:
Number and Type(s) of IFV:
M113 - 2000
Number of MLRS and Type(s):
Patriot - 500
Number of Towed Artillery:
M177 - 800
Number of APC's:
M113 - 500
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Number and Type(s) of Fighter Jets:
F-16 - 500
F-14 - 200
Number and Type(s) of Bombers:
B-52 - 15
B-1 - 35
B-2 - 20
Number and Type(s) of Cargo Planes:
C-7 - 50
Number and Type(s) of Attack Helicopters:
AH-64 - 400
Number and Type(s) of Transport Helicopters:
UH-60 - 800
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Number and Type(s) of Aircraft Carriers:
Burgoyne Class - 1
Number and Type(s) of Destroyer:
Zummwalt Class - 20
Number and Type(s) of Frigates:
Liberty Class - 15
Number and Type(s) of Missile Cruisers:
Spitfire Class - 22
Number and Type(s) of Submarines:
Quebec Class - 15
Number and Type(s) of LST or LPD:
Columbia Class - 20
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Number of Nuclear Weapons: 476
Number of Biological Weapons: 0
Number of Chemical Weapons: 0

Economy: A mixed Liberal Socialist economy. The largest and strongest in the world thanks to abundant resources, next to no wars and technological innovation as well as a protectionist policy. Free healthcare, and welfare are some if the best in the world, followed by the largest industrial sector on this earth.
GDP: 7.4 Trillion USD
Main Imports: Oil, Electronic Equipment, Medical Equipment and Vehicles
Main Exports: Manufactured goods, Steel, Machinery, Space and Aircraft parts, Machinery and Pumps

History of your Nation:

1766- As part of a compromise agreement negotiated and supported by Prime Minister William Pitt (the Elder), the British government admits members of each colony into Parliament as voting observers, thus giving "taxation with proper representation", and diffusing the crisis (the hated "Townshend Acts" never occur). The agreement stipulates that the colonies' Governors would still be appointed by the Crown, but would also be approved by the Parliament of each Colony. With a thusly united Empire, the British is set to go on to colonize the world, much as they did in our timeline, but with the support of all of North America behind her.
1770s- the American members of Parliament begin to have greater influence in the British Parliament, and are taken more seriously than at first- though most are still considered outsiders.

1779- Due mainly to the prompting and eloquence of the American MPs, the British Parliament adopts a more equitable and fair mode of representation for the people of Britain- based more on population than on class distinctions, though those remain.

1800- As the British Empire enters the nineteenth century, they control the entire eastern part of North America and Louisiana , the Aztecs control the south and most of Central America.

1812- North American British troops reinforce Texas, defeating Spanish forces in two minor battles. Aztec engages the British at sea, and suffer several humiliating defeats. Unable to penetrate deeply into Aztec Mexico, the British maintain the border at the Edge of Rio Grande throughout the conflict.

1818- The British Secretary of State for Colonial Affairs recommends to the Prime Minister that Britain should begin to groom the North American Colonies for independence. The Prime Minister and his cabinet agree, and formally approach several North American MPs about the idea.

1821- Britain's parliament enacts the "Continental Parliament Act", which establishes a Continental Parliament and "Articles of Government" for North America. The delegates to the parliament are to be selected by the Royal Governors of each Province and they are to meet in Philadelphia the following Spring.

1823- The Continental Parliament meets with all 25 Provinces represented (including what we now know as Canada).

1824- The Continental Parliament purchases California Territory (CA, NV, AZ) from the Aztecs.

1830- The Continental Parliament adopts the North America Constitution Act to replace the Articles of Government (1821). It establishes a House of Commons elected by the legislatures of the Provinces and an Upper House selected by the Governors of each Province from among the landed gentry and titled elite (but also from among prominent citizens and soldiers of the growing "Merchant class"). A Governor-General with a twelve-year term (ineligible for re-appointment) is appointed from the Upper House by a vote of the House of Commons to serve as the Executive power, their choice to be approved by the Parliament in London until the date of final separation.

1831- The British Parliament approves the North America Constitution Act, granting the North American Colonies Dominion status, and they become the Confederation of North America.

1833 - After the abolition of slavery is passed, the Hundred Day War begins. The war is. Robing more than small pierces into northern and southern territory, with no real achievements happening. A parliament vote grants the south independence, animosity remains high.

1834- Upon formal petition of the Continental Parliament, Britain grants independence to the North American Confederation. British funds and allies in Europe help the CNA build cross-crossing railroads to connect the nation.

1852 - The Workers party is established as a regional power in the north, but it's time will not come until later. The Plains war occurs between Indian secessionists and CNA militias, Lakota territory is seized. Railroads expand greatly during this time.

1850's - Whites move into territories gained in the war. Starts the assimilation process. Hispanics start to move out and into the south and other regions as well. First far north states (as they will be called) are formed with Columbia, Yukon, Hudson being the first.

1860's-80's - Industrial revolution. Larger than in IRL, a larger GDP allows for larger and more advanced industrialization. More plains states start to get statehood. Dynamics in the nation are shifting Occasional small revolts in the plains territories, but these are usually put down. Heavy migration of europeans to The Plains to help stifle indian outrage.

1886 - The CNA makes an agreement with Spain as they approach bankruptcy to sell Puerto Rico and the Pacific territories to The Confederation.

1900-1921 - CNA moves into many of its satellite states for military occupation for various reasons. In 1915, women gain suffrage.

1901 - The CNA is one of the most industrious, if not the most, on the planet. CNA economic expansion occurs at dizzying rates. Revolutionary attitude reaches a peak in Northern and industrious areas.

1905 -
Widespread strikes and mass protests ensued in the spring and summer of 1905 as the snow began to thaw from the Confederation. The serious effects of the banking crash of 1903 had not alleviated within a year as President Hanna had repeatedly stated to the press, and this combined with the effective end of legal multi-party politics in the Confederation by 1900 pushed the situation to a crisis point. Labor strikes and violence became prominent by spring, prompting widespread fear in the ruling classes of North America.

Confederation action led the most important and widespread disturbances in 1905. The AFL was generally uninterested in labor activism, as they had been bought out by Democratic connections, so most strikes were done by smaller unaffiliated Unions, usually under the mantle of industrial unionism. Railroad and longshoremen strikes were frequent during the year with the biggest in the fall of 1905 paralyzing the entirety of the Confederation for several weeks. Steelworkers across the industrial heart of North America staged violent strikes demanding an increase in wages and recognition of Unions, with the city of Pittsburgh almost a war zone for several days in June. Thousands of small trade unions also struck in almost every city in the Confederation, if only consisting of a few men for a few days. The greatest labor unrest took place in the traditional heart of North American labor unrest: the mining industry. By the fall of 1905, the Western Federation of Miners had managed to stage protests in the Rocky Mountains, and the Mine Workers of North America (officially banned by order of the Parliament in any state with a coal mining industry) had declared a mass strike. The MWA managed to ally with the Union of American Railway Workers under the banner of the Industrial Parliament (an umbrella organization for unions in the Industrial unionism movement) and declared a blanket restriction on the selling of coal. Limited coal amounts were shipped on special trains was delivered to poor areas determined by local UARW and IC organizational heads. Emboldened by the Federal Government's inability to prevent this limited syndicalism, IC leaders in cities from Sacrament to New York declared a general strike as part of a popular front of leftist groups. Mass protests with demands from a limited tax decrease, to the restoration of American Political Rights and free elections, to the impeachment of the entire Hannah Administration, to the overthrow of the Capitalist System.

Pinkertons had already engaged in violent conflict with various labor groups throughout the year, in cities such as Pittsburgh and Cleveland and in the massacres of Coal Creek and Uniontown, but the mass Industrial Parliament experiment with syndicalism and general strikes unleashed a wave of attacks previously unseen. Military units stationed on the CSA frontier were moved north to act as strike breakers, which they did violently in many American cities. In several, such as New York and Detroit, IC General Strikes faded away faced with stiff resistance, if not before achieving several days success. In other areas, such as Chicago and Pittsburgh, local socialists had managed to seize several arms supplies and fought back - if poorly - engaging federal troops and Pinkertons in running street battles. Miner resistance in Colorado and Appalachia was particularly fierce, with Miner's gaining several successes against Federal troops and several towns razed.

Concurrently, the continuing deflation of the Early 20th Century and the rapid increase in agricultural output worldwide hit American farmers particularly hard. Already hurting from bad years in 1903 and 1904, american farmers organized themselves into Agrarian Parties and engaged in their own resistance to what the unresponsive and city dominated Hanna Administration. Agrarian resistance took many forms, with some simply forming cooperatives and machine collectives, but many engaged in violent attacks against what they perceived as enemies: banks, local Democratic Leaders. The ability of Agrarians to work with the IC was hamepred by mutual distrust, a feeling that would become increasingly important as time went on.

The onset of snow in 1905 dampened the enthusiasm for protesting, and Confederation Troops managed to regain control over most of the CNA by December (with some exceptions). The damage however had already been done. Violent action had radicalized many protesters, and Communist lead movements had gained strength against those of more moderate minded socialists. Violent Anarchists active on the East Coast had assassinated several important city leaders, and more philosophically minded anarcho-syndicalists had begun to work on how to organize the next round of syndics for the production of what they saw as the coming war. IC leaders had been arrested en mass, allowing smaller groups lower in the IC, like the North American Workers Party to seize control in the secret "Emergency Parliament" of December. Thousands of Democratic Party Offices had been destroyed and burned by protesters, shaking the confidence of the Democratic Regime, and an untold number of suspected Pinkerton Agents had been lynched (or even tarred and feathered) in the streets of North America.

As Governor-General Hannah prepared to resign in favor of a "Grand Coalition" comprised mostly of New Unionist Leaders, an action which split the IC in a moderate and radical camp, one thing was clear: the alumnus snows in Burgoyne may have turned the city a comfortable peaceful white, but a second revolution was coming to the CNA.


1906-1915 -
The Confederates Surprise attack on Washington was not in fact that surprising. Although Governor-General Hanna had firmly believed that Braxton would respect internal Confederation affairs just as he had done to Richmond during the Houston affair, he did not realize the depth of the hate the Confederacy harbored for the union, quite unlike the Confederations general desire to ignore the Confederacy. The Confederations spies in the Confederacy had quickly learned of the Confederate troop movements to the Potomac. However, with the chaotic transition to the Provisional Government after Hanna's resignation, this was lost in the confusion. Theodore Roosevelt was not even told that he was Governor-General until three days before the Confederates stormed Washington, With most North American soldiers either already deserters or stationed in the cities to keep down revolutionary activity, America's once great defense emplacements were mostly abandoned. The Pinkertons, probably the Confederations greatest intelligence source throughout North America were in disarray, with agents being hunted throughout the country, and the President of the Company lynched in his Chicago home. When Confederate troops crossed the Potomac on fourth of May, Washington was hardly defended.

After a desultory attempt to prevent Confederate cavalry from entering the city, Confederation forces quickly routed in a chaotic movement northward along the railways. The remaining civil servants attempted to pay their way forward, crowding the railroad to no avail, the Confederates were quick behind. The most desperate to escape were African Americans, who by now made up a large portion of the population of the City. Many were killed by advancing Confederate troops. With the Governors burning in the background, General Wilcox's forces pursued the Confederation forces to Baltimore, where they once again routed any resistance. An effort to organize the fleeing Confederation troops and provide resistance at Abingdon just north of Baltimore did slow down the Confederates, however it was unable to stem the advance of the South.

To the west, Confederate armies had also advanced into Western Virginia and Maryland, destroying the mostly abandoned Confederation fortifications. union citizens dynamited many railways and roads as the Confederates sought to climb the Appalachians, slowing down their advance, but did not provide an opposing military force. With the Confederates advancing up the Mississippi and through Sequyah, Braxton's prediction of a long war seemed assuredly wrong.

Although many historians and rightists have wondered if, had he been warned slightly earlier, Theodore Roosevelt would have been able to rally the Confederations Provisional Armies and Militias and defend the Confederation, he did not, and it was not clear who was in control of any union forces at this time. It was this gap the Worker's Committees so skillfully used to seize control of the Confederation. Worker's Committees in Burgoyne and Baltimore had already fought Confederate troops in their respective areas, already mobilized to fight the Confederation troops, and had provided stiff resistance, forcing Confederate soldiers to perform Urban Warfare, they had not been organized. Here, the fact that the WCs had the support of both the National Rail-workers Union, the North American Railway Union, and the Telegraphers Protective League, allowed them organize the movements of hundreds of volunteer militias. The WCs seized control of a broad swathe of land from Burgoyne to New York, and immediately set about organizing a defense of Burgoyne from the Confederates. Rushing southwards, the first Worker's Militias met the Confederates at Newark Delaware. Many were veterans of the Third Confederate-North American War and immediately set about constructing trenches. The Confederates unprepared for such stiff resistance and with stretched supply lines (the Railways having been blown up by WC allied NRU and ARW forces) were forced to retreat across the Susquehanna river. The battle of Newark is notably confusing to modern history students for two reasons: Firstly, it did not take place int the well known Newark, but in Newark, DE; secondly, most of the defenders were actually from Wilmington and the surrounding area, a fact which goes against the popular image of brave Burgoyneians defending the union from Confederate forces as immortalized in such Cinematics as "the Bloody Dawn". This is a continuing source of frustration to Delawareans, a frustration met mostly with confusion by other North Americans.

The WCs thus provided the first clear victories against the invading Confederates, rallying many to their cause. The WC propaganda printers created thousands of posters and fliers that stated, "Join your brothers and sisters, fight for the Confederation!" and, "When you fight for the White and Blue, you fight for the Reds too!" Many North Americans suspicious of the Socialists message of equality understood their fight for the North and the defeat of the hated South. Whole companies of soldiers moved to the WCs side, and with Chicago having organized the national WC Syndic, red forces moved to contain the Confederates, preventing further advances in the Appalachians by organizing the remaining soldiers and Miner's unions. The WCs were also incredibly skilled at converting factories to war work. The use of Industrial Democracy and the general feeling among Industrial Workers of the value of their work allowed conversion at a much faster pace than in previous war efforts.

The WCs were severely hamstrung in certain ways, however. The lack of a strong command structure and officer corp (most officers had moved to join Roosevelt in the west or Lodge in the Northeast), prevented the WCs from organizing an advance to reclaim Baltimore or Washington D.C. Elected officers and militias were well able to defend, but found it difficult to advance.

The Confederates however also suffered difficulties. Braxton had not realized how quickly he would be able to advance into the Confederation, and his plan for a decisive victory to force the CNA to meet at the negotiating table met the critical problem of not having anyone to negotiate with. Refusing to recognize the WCS in (not that Chicago would have wanted to negotiate anyways), and with the Provisional Government defunct, Braxton was left with a war with undefined aims, undefined enemies, and undefined means. Guerrilla resistance in conquered territories proved a drag on the Confederate advance. The Confederate forces, overconfident from the easy successes at Washington and Baltimore, often advanced without direction or purpose, a problem not helped by Braxton's famous disinterest in governing. The Confederates crossed the Chesapeake, hoping to seize Wilmington and Burgoyne from the South, but failed to supply themselves or organize themselves effectively allowing a small force of Worker's militias to prevent an advance beyond the edge of the Eastern Shore.

The WCs ability to present themselves as the effective resistor of Southern Invasion convinced many in the remaining Confederation Navy to join the WCs. This was fortunate, for the remainder of the Potomac Fleet had been disastrously defeated by the Confederate Navy at Cornfield Harbor. The hastily organized "Worker's Navy" moved to face the Confederates at Cape Charles. Although the WN had some success they were unable to press the advantage further, and Norfolk remained safe for Confederates. The Norths traditional advantage on the seas would take several years to reassert itself.


1916 -
With the defeat of Gen. Roosevelt in late 1914, the only major native resistance to the Red Regime was Deseret. Deseret's stunning victories against the Confederate States and the Aztecs now lay far back in its past, with regiments having fallen back from the Gulf of California in the South and most of Western Idaho lost to Socialist forces. Still, Salt Lake City remained one of the most dangerous foes that the Worker's armies would face. Utah regiments were almost entirely veterans, and had now become some of the world's foremost alpine combatants. Almost every soldier had fought in either the drive to the Sea, or the defense of Mormon settlements in Colorado or Idaho. Their commanders were experienced, if not by formal training at one of the old North American military colleges, by having fought several different campaigns. They were also gifted with a fanatical religious motivation, with every Deseret soldier not only a defender of his home, but also a defender of the faith. Many Mormons saw the coming war in explicitly apocalyptic terms.

All these advantages were however undone by several distinct disadvantages, readily apparent to the Deseret High Command in Salt Lake. Firstly, Deseret was tired. Eight years of war, even with the armistice of 1913-1914, had ruined the Mormon population. The Mormon fighting population had shrunk drastically, something even the high Mormon birthrate was simply incapable of making up. New women's auxiliary units and the acceptance of every younger fighters did not make up the loss of thousands of men throughout the North American West. Mormon leaders knew that any war of attrition was unlikely to end in their favor. Further, the Deseret Army was fatally under equipped. With the defeat of the British and Mormon attempts to control the Great Northern Railway, and the retreat from the Gulf of California, the Mormon state was entirely surrounded by Socialist forces. Although the British had managed to help Deseret set up some small factories for the production of heavier weapons, Deseret units were almost entirely without any artillery or weapons heavier than a standard rifle. Mormon industrialists had managed to set up successful small arms factories, something that would prove critical in the Years of Resistance, but this led them to be fatally outmatched time and time again by well equipped Worker's Armies, equipped by the vast armament industries of the Midwest, the East, California. Finally, even with the religious motivation, Deseret was fraying internally. Eight years of war was simply too long for societies to remain fully committed to any conflict, particularly when the last four years had been an unceasing array of retreats and entrenchments. Mormon captured labor, drawn from throughout the West to replace Mormon workers lost Mormons in agricultural and industrial work, saw the Mormons as an alien force, unchristian and dangerous. Deseret ruled over extensive non-Mormon populations, particularly in Idaho, Arizona, and Colorado, who were inimically opposed to Mormon political power and welcomed Socialist expansion. The Eyes of Zion were kept busy in the waning days of Deseret, their black cloaks an ever present reminder of the eye of the state on those who would stray from the path of righteousness.

Deseret commanders expected the main socialist attack to come from over the Wasatch Range, the small mountain barrier between Socialist held Nebraska and Salt Lake City, with the Socialists hoping for a death blow by taking out Deseret command. Thus, Deseret command had built an extensive series of fortifications all across the range, dynamiting every major road and railway, and collapsing several passes entirely. The Socialist regime had kept track of these fortifications, and thus moved to an entirely different plan. Under the command of General "Big Bill" Hardy, the Worker's Mountain Army moved across from Colorado and over into Utah in the Early Summer of 1916. Caught by surprise, Mormon militias rushed to attack Socialist forces but were decisively defeated at the battle of Modo. Mormon reinforcements quickly arrived and continued a harrying actions on Socialist forces as they sped across Eastern Utah. More Mormon forces could not be brought up from the south due to movements of the Worker's SouthWest Army from New Mexico into Mormon held territory along the Colorado. Mormon forces scored decisive defeats due to poor planning on the Socialist forces part, marching directly over the incredibly hot Painted Desert without adequate supplies. However, this did pin down Mormon forces in the area, and did not distract the majority of the WSW Arm from it's main goal of supporting Mexican Revolutionaries, a plan which later failed. Navajo war bands, encouraged by the Socialist government, also attacked Mormon small holdings in the Southwest, scoring several victories and reclaiming land lost to white settlers. Mormon forces rushed southwards from Salt Lake City, abandoning the Wasatch fortifications to meet the WMon Army along the heartland of Mormonism. However, the sheer size of the Socialist forces continually wore down the Mormon forces giving them a string of defeats as the Red forces marched North. They were helped by forces from the Worker's NorthWest Army who prevented Mormon forces in Southern Idaho from helping defend Salt Lake City. Scattered raids and counter raids continued in Nevada, where small Mormon homesteaders fought non-Mormon forces, although without any decisive effects on other fields.

By July, the situation for Deseret looked grim. Socialist forces advanced onto Salt lake City, and the last ditch efforts to stop them at Lehi failed. British forces in the North, unwilling to jeopardize the uneasy peace they had reached with Socialist forces after the frightening days of the Ontario Campaign, did not mobilize against the Revolutionary Regime to save Deseret as many had expected. With the full might of the Socialists directed at Deseret, there was no escape. red forces entered and burned Salt Lake City on 28.7.1916, destroying the Temple, and ending eight years of Mormon freedom. Strong guerrilla resistance against Socialist forces would continue well into the 1920s, but for all intents and purposes the war within the CNA was finished. Peace talks at Oslo would continue for several months between the new Socialist CNA, Britain, The Aztecs, but all major fighting was finished.


1917 - The Second American Civil War, ends nit with a harsh treaty, but with the return of all territory and no real changes being made. With the war over, Governor-General Upton Sinclair is elected and oversees the rebuilding of the CNA. Tensions remain between many, and the revolutionary feeling is still with many. Sinclair first movie cuts ties with England and begins building North America in his image, and easing more people into socialism.

1918 - The CNA begins rebuilding it's forces and actual elections for parliamentary seats are held, with a Workers party gaining control over the nation. Political reforms are made so that the Governor-General and all public offices are chosen not by the Parliament, but by the people.

1919 - Washington Agreement is made with Germany. German territories are purchased for reduction of German Debt. Without going to war, CNA military continues to slowly increase in size. Plans have been outlined to bring its size up regardless of the end of the Great War.

1923 - The final revolutionary holdout is disbanded, and life returns to a pseudo-normal during this time, with economic revolvers coming like wildfire. Sinclair praises the workers and urges them to shape the future in their image. Infrastructure programs are passes to repair damage and better connect the nation.

1925 - The socialist air begins to die down, and more center and moderate parties begin to take power. The military begins to disarm and leaves civilian life. Reconstruction nears it's finish.

1929 - Bam! Wall Street Crash! The whole shabbam. Hits hard, though slightly better than IRL. Triggers the great depression. Nothing new here.

1932 - FDR in the Governor-General Mansion. Brings about a similar New Deal and stuff. Nothing really different. Due to a more socialist attitude, more of FDR's policies are excepted and a tad more extreme.

1936 - Parliament doesn't cut the size of the programs from the Second New Deal. These include the PWA. Huey Long is elected Governor-General, a far more Marxist atmosphere begins to fill the nation. The first of Long and his successors six Five Year mass industrialization and socialist reform plans is passed.

1938 - The Every man a King act is passed, limiting the riches fortunes, levying heavier taxes against them, and beginning income distribution. The national roadway bill is passed, more extreme and larger than IRL.

1941 - The CNA exits the depression, and begins building it's economic powerhouse. The Civil rights movement occurs similar to IRL, but without Martin Luther.

1958 - A joint CNA-British space program launches the first artificial satellite. The CNA begins levying funds to improve its air power, building more airports and so on.

1964-1974 - The CNA threatens war with the confederacy over its tests of atomic weapons, the CNA begins an embargo of its southern brethren. Martin Luther King is elected Governor-General, the next decade is known as the Decade of harmony, with racial tensions being brought now majorly by Luther and his reforms.

1977 - The CNA stands the undaunted and virtually untouchable economic premier of the world. It's infrastructure us renowned world wide and it's civil rights even more so. Universal nationwide healthcare, and so on make it a socialistic and liberal paradise, but as if late, socialist voices have quieted.

1982 - The CNA begins industrializing and mining in the Far North, new technology begins to increase industrial capacity and population in the north.

1985 - The CNA begins a process of becoming energy independent, less dependent on foreign imports, and more protectionist of its industry and businesses. NAFTA is proposed to integrate the economies of North America, few but smaller North American nations respond.


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Soviet Chernarus wrote:Hmmm...what exactly does spy satellite do? :eyebrow:

We spy on germans.


We sell u info.

Is like walmart.

Hmm..I think Scandinavia is of interest for this spy satellite...maybe I can finally get Schleswig holstein back :(
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Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:
Soviet Chernarus wrote:Hmmm...what exactly does spy satellite do? :eyebrow:

They get blown up by German Anti-Satellite Missiles, ja? :p

Good thing we will De Orbit our Satllite before your Missile gets to it.

Actually, Never mind either way you wont find out it was LEO.
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Jeremy Beaver wrote:
Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:They get blown up by German Anti-Satellite Missiles, ja? :p

Good thing we will De Orbit our Satllite before your Missile gets to it.

Actually, Never mind either way you wont find out it was LEO.

But it will burn up in the atmosphere, putting all dat money you spent on it to waste.

Also, glorious Germany requires your services. How do you feel about blowing up Stockholm and Paris?
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What's the point of divergence?
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Postby Bolovia » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:11 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:Feel free to point out any unrealistic/inaccuracies with my app :blush:

Nation App:
Official Nation Name: United Kingdom of Scandinavia
Nation Short Name: Scandinavia
Territorial Claims: Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Greenland, Iceland
Population: ~35,000,000
Government Style: Federal Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchy
Capitol: Stockholm
Head of State: No Head of State listed
Head of Government: No Head of Government listed
Legislature Name: The Scandinavian Riksdag
Legislature Type: Bicameral (First Chamber is the upper house, Second Chamber the lower one)
Main Political Parties:
-Scandinavian Social Democratic Party
-Scandinavian National Democratic Party
-Scandinavian Moderate Party
Political beliefs: Democratic socialism, liberalism,
Political Agenda and/or goals:

Military information:
Foreign Policy: No Foreign Policy defined
Military Branch names:
The Scandinavian Armed Forces consists of:
-Federal Scandinavian Army
-Federal Scandinavian Navy
-Federal Scandinavian Air Force
-Scandinavian Home Guard
Total Military Size: 450,000 actives and 600,000 reserve (tell me if these is too large - 150,000 of thr reserves are part of the Home Guard, which is responsible for the defense of Scandnavia in case of an invasion)
Type(s) of Automatic Rifle:
Type(s) of Pistol:
Number and Type(S) of MBT: ~1,000 MBTs
Number and Type(s) of IFV: ~2,500
Number of MLSR's: 150
Number of Towed Artillery: 200
Number of APC's: ~2,000
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Number and Type(s) of Fighter Jets: 300
Number and Type(s) of Bombers: 125
Number and Type(s) of Cargo Planes: ~40
Number and Type(s) of Attack Helicopters: ~60
Number and Type(s) of Transport Helicopters: ~30
------------------------------------------
Number and Type(s) of Aircraft Carriers: 1
Number and Type(s) of Destroyer: 17
Number and Type(s) of Frigates: 8
Number and Type(s) of Missile Cruisers: 3
Number and Type(s) of Submarines: 9
Number and Type(s) of LST and LPD: 8
Please Specify the Types of weapons.

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Number of Nuclear Weapons: Scandinavia possesses no nuclear weapons, although there are nuclear weapon programs ongoing.
Number of Biological Weapons: Biological weapon programs have been going on for a while now, and have been considered to be actually employed in the case of an invasion of Scandinavia. These biological weapons utilize various dangerous pathogens and diseases, and are kept under secure lock and key at all times, due to he possibility of a disease escaping and such.
Number of Chemical Weapons: The Swedish military possesses small chemical stockpiles which is kept under lock and key, and only authorized personnel and certain leaders within the government can access them. These chemical weapon stockpiles have never been used in war.
Number of Radiological Weapons: None

Economy: The economy is mostly free-market capitalist, with limited government interference. There are laws and regulations in place to help protect the people, and the economy is also largely oriented towards trade. It thrives on goods such as oil, lumber, and minerals. Due to a Social Democrat-dominated Riksdag in the latter half of the 20th century and early 21st century the country's economy has a large welfare sector. The country also has very high standards of living and good healthcare.
Main Imports: List your imports
Main Exports: List your exports


History of your Nation (Please be very detailed):
The POD is that Gustav Adolf does not die in the Battle of Lützen; Swedish forces, under Gustav Adolf continues to ravage Southern Germany, eventually invading Bohemia with French support. The Habsburg forces retreat, but a Swedish advance to Vienna is repulsed by Habsburg forces; however, catastrophic losses (on both sides) shocked Swedish leaders. Seeing an opportunity to attack, Denmark-Norway and Poland-Lithuania went on the offensive, with the both of them attacking Sweden, making large gains. Gustav's army was sent to fight these attacks, and the late 1630s the Swedish army defeated the joint enemy force. With Britain engulfed in a civil war, nothing was said except for a few feeble mutters of protest as Sweden incorporated Denmark-Norway into the Swedish Empire. Poland-Lithuania was not invaded, but forced to pay large indemnities and reparations.

With the conclusion of the Thirty Years War by the Peace of Westphalia, it marked the Swedish Empire's rise to one of the Great Powers. However, Sweden emerged financially devastated; many losses had been suffered through the war, and large portions of the German population had been killed. Swedish colonies, particularly in the New World, were either abandoned or taken over by other powers, and Sweden focused primarily in Europe, especially in Eastern Europe and the Baltics. Dominating Baltic trade, Sweden worked on recovering after the war. It spanned across the whole of Scandinavia, and began to seriously compete with other European powers, especially the rising Tsardom of Russia. Taxes were raised, with a small amount of money being put into place needed to be paid to get past Denmark and into the Baltic Sea. Gradually, combined with excellent administration and a growing ship industry in Scandinavia, Sweden began to recover. It experienced Danish and Finnish rebellions, hindering the recovery process, but the king held on firm.

Elaborate more on your history please.

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Postby Of The Rnclave » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:11 pm

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:What's the point of divergence?


As far back as you want it, for example, I'm America that never rebelled and merged with Canada, :p
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Postby Bolovia » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:11 pm

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:What's the point of divergence?

As far back as you want it be sir, mine was the 16th century.

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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:12 pm

Bolovia wrote:
Soviet Chernarus wrote:Feel free to point out any unrealistic/inaccuracies with my app :blush:

Nation App:
Official Nation Name: United Kingdom of Scandinavia
Nation Short Name: Scandinavia
Territorial Claims: Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Greenland, Iceland
Population: ~35,000,000
Government Style: Federal Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchy
Capitol: Stockholm
Head of State: No Head of State listed
Head of Government: No Head of Government listed
Legislature Name: The Scandinavian Riksdag
Legislature Type: Bicameral (First Chamber is the upper house, Second Chamber the lower one)
Main Political Parties:
-Scandinavian Social Democratic Party
-Scandinavian National Democratic Party
-Scandinavian Moderate Party
Political beliefs: Democratic socialism, liberalism,
Political Agenda and/or goals:

Military information:
Foreign Policy: No Foreign Policy defined
Military Branch names:
The Scandinavian Armed Forces consists of:
-Federal Scandinavian Army
-Federal Scandinavian Navy
-Federal Scandinavian Air Force
-Scandinavian Home Guard
Total Military Size: 450,000 actives and 600,000 reserve (tell me if these is too large - 150,000 of thr reserves are part of the Home Guard, which is responsible for the defense of Scandnavia in case of an invasion)
Type(s) of Automatic Rifle:
Type(s) of Pistol:
Number and Type(S) of MBT: ~1,000 MBTs
Number and Type(s) of IFV: ~2,500
Number of MLSR's: 150
Number of Towed Artillery: 200
Number of APC's: ~2,000
-----------------------------------------
Number and Type(s) of Fighter Jets: 300
Number and Type(s) of Bombers: 125
Number and Type(s) of Cargo Planes: ~40
Number and Type(s) of Attack Helicopters: ~60
Number and Type(s) of Transport Helicopters: ~30
------------------------------------------
Number and Type(s) of Aircraft Carriers: 1
Number and Type(s) of Destroyer: 17
Number and Type(s) of Frigates: 8
Number and Type(s) of Missile Cruisers: 3
Number and Type(s) of Submarines: 9
Number and Type(s) of LST and LPD: 8
Please Specify the Types of weapons.

-----------------------------------------
Number of Nuclear Weapons: Scandinavia possesses no nuclear weapons, although there are nuclear weapon programs ongoing.
Number of Biological Weapons: Biological weapon programs have been going on for a while now, and have been considered to be actually employed in the case of an invasion of Scandinavia. These biological weapons utilize various dangerous pathogens and diseases, and are kept under secure lock and key at all times, due to he possibility of a disease escaping and such.
Number of Chemical Weapons: The Swedish military possesses small chemical stockpiles which is kept under lock and key, and only authorized personnel and certain leaders within the government can access them. These chemical weapon stockpiles have never been used in war.
Number of Radiological Weapons: None

Economy: The economy is mostly free-market capitalist, with limited government interference. There are laws and regulations in place to help protect the people, and the economy is also largely oriented towards trade. It thrives on goods such as oil, lumber, and minerals. Due to a Social Democrat-dominated Riksdag in the latter half of the 20th century and early 21st century the country's economy has a large welfare sector. The country also has very high standards of living and good healthcare.
Main Imports: List your imports
Main Exports: List your exports


History of your Nation (Please be very detailed):
The POD is that Gustav Adolf does not die in the Battle of Lützen; Swedish forces, under Gustav Adolf continues to ravage Southern Germany, eventually invading Bohemia with French support. The Habsburg forces retreat, but a Swedish advance to Vienna is repulsed by Habsburg forces; however, catastrophic losses (on both sides) shocked Swedish leaders. Seeing an opportunity to attack, Denmark-Norway and Poland-Lithuania went on the offensive, with the both of them attacking Sweden, making large gains. Gustav's army was sent to fight these attacks, and the late 1630s the Swedish army defeated the joint enemy force. With Britain engulfed in a civil war, nothing was said except for a few feeble mutters of protest as Sweden incorporated Denmark-Norway into the Swedish Empire. Poland-Lithuania was not invaded, but forced to pay large indemnities and reparations.

With the conclusion of the Thirty Years War by the Peace of Westphalia, it marked the Swedish Empire's rise to one of the Great Powers. However, Sweden emerged financially devastated; many losses had been suffered through the war, and large portions of the German population had been killed. Swedish colonies, particularly in the New World, were either abandoned or taken over by other powers, and Sweden focused primarily in Europe, especially in Eastern Europe and the Baltics. Dominating Baltic trade, Sweden worked on recovering after the war. It spanned across the whole of Scandinavia, and began to seriously compete with other European powers, especially the rising Tsardom of Russia. Taxes were raised, with a small amount of money being put into place needed to be paid to get past Denmark and into the Baltic Sea. Gradually, combined with excellent administration and a growing ship industry in Scandinavia, Sweden began to recover. It experienced Danish and Finnish rebellions, hindering the recovery process, but the king held on firm.

Elaborate more on your history please.


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Postby Jeremy Beaver » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:13 pm

Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:
Jeremy Beaver wrote:Good thing we will De Orbit our Satllite before your Missile gets to it.

Actually, Never mind either way you wont find out it was LEO.

But it will burn up in the atmosphere, putting all dat money you spent on it to waste.

Also, glorious Germany requires your services. How do you feel about blowing up Stockholm and Paris?

Depends how much money you want to pay for our services.

Do you want Fighters or do you want Something in Space?
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:14 pm

Pretty much everyone has nuclear weapons...except me =.=
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May I rebuild the Western Roman Empire in Italia and Raetia Possibly Africa/Carthaginem?>
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