The number system doesn't actually mean alot.....
Advertisement
by Imperial City-States » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:56 pm
by The New Sea Territory » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:57 pm
| Ⓐ ☭ | Anarchist Communist | Heideggerian Marxist | Vegetarian | Bisexual | Stirnerite | Slavic/Germanic Pagan | ᚨ ᛟ |
Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by Imperial City-States » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:58 pm
by Imperial City-States » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:58 pm
by Prusslandia » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:59 pm
by Of The Rnclave » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:02 pm
by Tayner » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:02 pm
by Imperial City-States » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:07 pm
Of The Rnclave wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:
No, it really doesn't.
You could have a '9' in military but if you lack the capacity to keep your troops supplied with weapons and ammunition you're royally fucked.
I have a seven in infastructure and a five or six in manufacturing, they've done pretty well for themselves
by The New Sea Territory » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:08 pm
Of The Rnclave wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:
No, it really doesn't.
You could have a '9' in military but if you lack the capacity to keep your troops supplied with weapons and ammunition you're royally fucked.
I have a seven in infastructure and a five or six in manufacturing, they've done pretty well for themselves
| Ⓐ ☭ | Anarchist Communist | Heideggerian Marxist | Vegetarian | Bisexual | Stirnerite | Slavic/Germanic Pagan | ᚨ ᛟ |
Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by Imperial City-States » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:09 pm
by Kentsland » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:09 pm
by Of The Rnclave » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:12 pm
Kentsland wrote:Yes, the points are very dependent on one another. A 9 or 10 in military means nothing if you don't have an infrastructure to protect, agriculture to feed, health/education to heal and obey, manufacturing to produce, and of course allies.
And a nine or ten doesn't make you a world beater. When I get home im going to make a more specific chart because I can forsee this causing some issues again.
by Of The Rnclave » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:15 pm
Kentsland wrote:Yes, the points are very dependent on one another. A 9 or 10 in military means nothing if you don't have an infrastructure to protect, agriculture to feed, health/education to heal and obey, manufacturing to produce, and of course allies.
And a nine or ten doesn't make you a world beater. When I get home im going to make a more specific chart because I can forsee this causing some issues again.
by Tayner » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:16 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Of The Rnclave wrote:
I have a seven in infastructure and a five or six in manufacturing, they've done pretty well for themselves
You're missing the point.
It's about the content of the military, infrastructure and manufacturing the number itself is pretty arbitrary.
A '9' in Military could just mean you're very well trained but have shite equipment, it could mean you have excellent equipment and mediocre training.
MANFAC: It's the content, my industrial power is focused on refined goods (machined parts) and high quality firearms and ammunition. I have a lacking in things like 'cart making' or making canvas from hemp. You could have an 'overall' rating of 5 in MANFAC but you're going to lack in some areas, that's just how it works.
by Imperial City-States » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:20 pm
Tayner wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:
You're missing the point.
It's about the content of the military, infrastructure and manufacturing the number itself is pretty arbitrary.
A '9' in Military could just mean you're very well trained but have shite equipment, it could mean you have excellent equipment and mediocre training.
MANFAC: It's the content, my industrial power is focused on refined goods (machined parts) and high quality firearms and ammunition. I have a lacking in things like 'cart making' or making canvas from hemp. You could have an 'overall' rating of 5 in MANFAC but you're going to lack in some areas, that's just how it works.
A 9 means you have good guns and good training. It says it in the OP Points Scale.
by Kazarogkai » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:23 pm
Kazarogkai wrote:Settlement Name: Free Polis of Highwood
Settlement Government Description: We are officially a Stratocratic Directorial Republic.
Charter of Government
Settlement Population: 1000
Settlement Location: The seat of government is in the Resort but territory also encompasses some of the surrounding lands.
Settlement Society:
Economy
As of now the economy is stable and growing, albeit rather slowly since the end of the turbulent era of the "Social Revolution" and the subsequent "Reaction". In terms of trade as a result of are isolation and partial xenophobia we have a strong policy of protectionism and a desire for Autarky. Never the less we do trade with the outside world, principally agricultural products and some light weaponry produced by us. Whether we like it or not we have gained attention from the surrounding lands who have heard of are prosperity and the skill of are Weapon-Smiths. Whether this will result in more trade, or more conflict remains to be seen. Never the less trade is difficult as a result of are previously mentioned isolation but it does occur mostly from ambitious merchants and the like who arrive every once in a while, mostly in the fall when harvest time has arrived. Said merchants alongside diplomats and pretty much any and all visitors are received in a designated Trade post that lies on the outskirts of are territory. Foreign trade is mostly done via barter but for internal commerce we have a Currency known as Polis Sovereigns that are basically old poker chips from the small casino present in the resort with a conversion rate of 1 PS = 3 poptabs. The domestic economy is for the most part capitalist controlled by private owners for profit but the state intervenes extensively to maintain stability overall and protect the rights of citizens.
Social
The basic unit of society is the Household or Villa as it is usually refereed to as and includes any and all citizens and their wards living under the same roof. The Villas form the center of social life in terms of domestic matters and are considered the primary rearer of children, under the supervision of the state of course. The Villa also have a function as the most basic unit of government being. individual identity and place is defied nor by class per say but instead by ones membership in the Villas and to a degree the various alliances and webs formed by the Villas between themselves. The Villas are also the basic unit of military service and taxes with the citizenry being taxed on a Household by Household basis rather than a Individual by Individual basis and military service in the Phalanx being required similarly with each Villa being required to contribute a single Warrior to the Phalanx when called upon.
Religion
Organized religion like say Christianity, Islam, and the like have for the most part disappeared among the people .All that remain is a range of loosely affiliated tribal beliefs, taboos, customs, and tradition with a mix of shamanism, ancestor worship, animism, and mysticism all in a special blend. The government is officially secular with the state prevented from restricting belief or opinion, though it may in the name of the public good restrict practice when needed.
Politics
Politics is defined in part on ones membership in the Various Villas with Each villa being given representation in the Grand Forum via their Elder. The power of said Elder is defined based off the number of citizens within their Villa with each citizen adding more to what is known as their Vote-Weight. So for example an Elder with 5 Citizens in their Villa(including themselves) would have a Vote-Weight of 5 when they are being counted in contrast to an elder with say 2 Citizens in their household having only a Vote_weight of 2. As a result of formal political parties being banned for they are seen as against the public good the population instead typically divides itself by their Villa and those are grouped into what are known as Cliques which function like Voting blocs who vote in line on common concerns and are typically led by a particularly powerful Elder known as a "Big Man". They are not a permanent thing though and are almost always single issue only being formed when said issue becomes prominent and subsequently fading out when said issue is over. Citizenship is of ultimate importance and follows what can be defined as the civic-republican conception of it. Citizens have certain rights like speech and worship but also many duties like say military service and voting. One is never born a citizen under any circumstance, Citizenship is ultimately a choice that can be taken by children who come of age and resident-aliens who have lived in the Polis for a long enough time with the conditions being that you are considered militarily fit(mentally and physically), have reached the age of Majority(16 years), and finally swear an oath to the Constitution and the Polis as a whole renouncing your ties with all outside groups. Citizenship is for the most part defined by the Individuals obligations to the Collective and the Collectives obligations to the Individual in regards to protection of their rights with the state acting as a organizer of sorts for the public interest.
-Administrative units: What are known as Wards are used for administrative purposes. They are wedge shaped extending from part of the Polis proper to surrounding rural areas.
Settlement History:
The Beginning
Formed decades after the aftermath of the apocalyptic cataclysm that destroyed the land as we know it by the Founders who were refugees from the city proper. The Resort was for the most part abandoned with the original inhabitants having deserted it in the aftermath. The Founders seeing the overall isolation and decent defensible nature of the place took up roots here. Weapons were few and far between forcing the Founders to have to come up with their own homegrown solutions. It's isolation from most other groups kept it relatively safe from danger and they for the most part prospered relying on scavenging from what remained of the original farmland. Even then they eventually did have to face new opponents who saw their prosperity and wished to take it from them which precipitated the need for an active military force that would defend them from the various threats they had to face. Immigrants came to the land seeking refuge from the harshness of the waste but they were met by the founders and their families to a degree with nativism and xenophobia becoming prominent. Eventually a Hierarchy was formed with the New immigrants, termed subjects, forming the lower class and the original founders and their descendants forming the upper class. The Leader of the Polis was officially titled as Dictator and was elected by the Upper class with little to no input from the lower class. This social order bought some stability and order to the Polis it led to discontent which eventually came to a head.
The Social Revolution and Reaction
Though originally confined to the lower class protests eventually came to members of the Upperclass who saw the current social order in a rather poor light, though originally peaceful with strike actions being formed increasingly repressive measures from the Central government were met by revolts and inevitably the taking up of arms from dissatisfied members of the public. The Polis was set to collapse with order breaking down all around until a military coup led by a few members of the officers corps the most prominent of which was named Jack Royce. The Polis government was overthrown and new government declared support for many of the demands of the rebels who had been fighting the government but they also demanded national unity. Under a Junta led by Jack Royce they declared the beginning of a Social Revolution to change the nation for the better granting long sought rights to any and all members of the public with the only condition being citizenship, ending natural born citizenship, establishing a corporatist model of political organization, and making the constitution as we know it today along with many social reforms. Some of the members of the old guard as they were known as were angry at the new reforms and set out to return it back to what it was before and began "The Reaction". This would lead to a large scale and violent conflict that would damage the nation as a whole and nearly led to the end of the Social revolution. Stalemate became the norm and the war dragged on for years with no clear victor. Even with the death of Jack Royce little changed and to many it seemed that the conflict was turning into an ever war taking on the characteristics of a sorta medieval WW1 with brutal trench warfare and vicious hand to hand combat being the norm in the fighting between the Radicals and the Reactionaries. It took a common enemy to bring the nation back together and that came in the form of a marauding warlord with a powerful horde. This forced the Reactionaries and the Radicals to band together to inevitably fight the warlord who took territory from both without discriminating. They more or less combined forces but the radicals in a rather shrewd way made it so that the Reactionaries did most of the fighting since ultimately the Reactionaries territory was most at risk. When it was all said and done the Warlord was gone but the two opposing sides remained though one was far more weakened from the conflict than the other. Taking the advantage the Radicals soon launched an all out offensive that bought the Reactionaries to their knees forcing them to finally give up the struggle. The civil war was finally Over.
Modern times
With the Victory of the Radicals the Social Revolution would be maintained though to maintain stability many of it's more radical aspects would have to be abandoned. The civil war was a massive disruption in the development of the nation and the effects are still here today. Much of the good infrastructure that was previously evident in the settlement has been utterly destroyed or damaged. Rebuilding has taken a long time and will have to continue on into the near future. But overall the future looks bright. Many measures like the banning of Political parties and increased competition laws have had to be made in the name of stability and as a result of the previously mentioned warlord are relations with the outside world have been tainted with anxiety for the most part with fears of what is outside their borders. For now they simply want to pick up the peaces and move on with the general opinion being "Remember the past, Live the present, and Hope for the Future".
Settlement Goal: Maintain independence, possibly expand a little into the surrounding area.
Settlement Description: Discuss how your settlement is (with respect to the points) in each of the categories.
Infastructure
The Civil War led to much of the old Infrastructure present being damaged, some beyond repair. With old trenches and fox holes doting the countryside, some roads mined, and damaged buildings the civil war left it's mark on the nation. It has been a while since the civil war though and peace has prevailed allowing for rebuilding to take place with the walls surrounding the Seat of government being repaired and many other achievements. Homes are made of wood from nearby forests though other typically public buildings are made of stone and mud brick. We have a long way to go but we are going there at a rapid pace and eventually it will be behind the Free-Polis.
Military
The military or Phalanx as it is refereed to as is composed of all citizens of the Polis with them being required to participate until they have earned the title of senior citizen after many decades of service. The Phalanx is separated into 2 branches the Public force and the General staff.
-The General Staff: The General staff are the closest things to professionals we have being composed of specialized full time soldiers with various jobs ranging from skilled craftsmen(blacksmiths, cobblers, etc), Specialized soldiers(medics, signalers, etc), to most importantly the officer corps themselves. They function as a sort of Cadre being the permanent skeleton establishment of a unit, around which the full unit can be built if needed.
-The Public Force: While the General staff is the skeleton the Public force is the meat of the body. The Public force is composed of all Members of The Polis until they have achieved the status of Senior-Citizen after many decades of service(about 32 productive years) from where they can fully participate in government and join public office if they desire. They function as a sort of as needed call up force of Citizen soldiers Military service is done like many things on a Villa by Villa basis rather than individual by individual basis with each Villa being required to contribute one warrior when called upon to the field army. Organization is rather localized with the individual units known as Regiments being attached to one of the Wards that function as administrative units of the Polis. The Regiments are named after said Ward(for example North Ward) and it's members come from exclusively that Ward. The regiment is commanded by a Colonel below which are Captains who command Sub-units known as companies who function as field detachments of multiple warriors. The Colonel is responsible not only for calling up the Warriors, but also for policing his ward, collecting taxes, issuing firearms and other material in times of war with the help of their Captains who function as his lieutenants of sorts. Above the Colonels are the Generals who are able to command multiple regiments to bear all at once, from one of these the third consul is chosen, they are ultimately subordinate to the Triumvirate. In terms of weaponry the early days the Regiments were issued with firearms by the government of the day. The individual warriors were obliged to keep these firearms serviceable and ready at all times. When a call up has been issued the Warriors are required to bring their weapon and what constitutes a uniform for are forces, a simply black sash showing loyalty to the Polis.The weapons they use are locally made firearms and explosives. Basic gunpowder breach-loaders and various small pieces of artillery, with are tube rockets being some of the most infamous, are made by are weapon-smiths in the various workshops. These Weapons are crude but are effective at their job and are used by are warriors effectively when need be. Alongside are Firearms we also have extensive amounts of melee weapons for engaging the enemy up close the most prolific being the Hand Axes which are capable of being used in hand to hand combat but also can be thrown with accuracy if need be. When their is peace all citizens regardless of whether they are warriors or not are required to train once a week to maintain their skills and overall discipline.
Agriculture: A strong component of are economy but like many things was damaged by the civil war to a degree. Despite this Agriculture by far was one of the aspects of are nation that we were able to more or less rebuild rather quickly in comparison to other things. Though not as strong and prosperous as it used to be it is enough to keep the population fed and happy, and even allow us a small surplus that can be traded or stored for hard times if w wish. Though their are plenty of full scale farmers living in the more rural portions of the Free-Polis's territory most Villas for the most part maintain their own small gardens, fish ponds, and even a few small animal pens to supplement their diet and their incomes.
Manufacturing
A major source of pride for society, are Manufacturing capabilities are quite good compared to many groups. We Produce are own weapons which was needed for we lacked said weapons and were surrounded by hostile enemies. The making of tools also forms a major part of this scene and these are probably as of now are main export. With are local weapon-smiths we have been able to make basic guns and artillery to equip are military allowing us an edge against tribals and mutants armed with sticks and stones and whatever else they can scrounge up. though partially damaged by the Civil war it has been rebuilding and is set to continue expanding for the time being.
Health/Education
A Key component of the Social Revolution guaranteed education and health care for all citizens and their wards. Before it was the exclusive purview of the upper class but no more. Many saw it as an over expansion of government power into the lives of the people adding fuel to The Reaction but in the end it would become accepted by the population as a whole, though some grumble about the fact the government spends so much of it's income on this sector. Healthcare is administered locally and technically controlled by Private clinics but with a single payer system whereby the government assumes the cost of payment and negotiates with the Private Clinics on prices and the like. Most medicine is Herbal in nature like willow bark used for pain relief, birch bracket for antibacterial use, and similar measures but we can treat the majority of wounds one may incur and some minor surgeries during which hygiene is essential with tools being effectively sterilized and medical personal taking measures to prevent contamination during said treatments. Education is organized locally but ultimately controlled by the central government. We have been able to create a public education system that is composed minors from age 2-16 and has bee effective in reducing illiteracy among the population, as time goes by it only gets better. School age children attend school once a day every single week for about 8 hours from 0800-1600. It is considered the principal social welfare scheme under the belief that "Give a man a fish you feed him for a day teach a man to fish you feed him for life" as such it is given precedence over all others. Basic academic subjects are taught to the students including Language, Mathematics, Science, and finally Civics which is considered the most important for it prepares them to be proper citizens if they are to choose to become one.
Scavenging
With the lack of resources to scrounge from the local area forcing us to rely on local ingenuity and ability. A strong stigma against scavenging from the "Bones of the Old world" developed leading to the current predicament making it so that we only really care to make are own things or if we have to trade for them from other groups. Ones who scavege are looked down upon and are known as Rubbish men which cares a strong stigma in day to day life. As such are scavenging abilities are practically null, not that we had many opportunities to scavenging considering the distance from major scavenging targets like the city proper.
Points: See above for details, max of 35, 1-10. Average would be 6 in each
Infrastructure: 4/10
Military: 8/10
Agriculture: 6/10
Manufacturing: 7/10
Health/Education: 8/10
Scavenging: 2/10
by The New Sea Territory » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:24 pm
| Ⓐ ☭ | Anarchist Communist | Heideggerian Marxist | Vegetarian | Bisexual | Stirnerite | Slavic/Germanic Pagan | ᚨ ᛟ |
Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by Tayner » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:25 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Tayner wrote:
A 9 means you have good guns and good training. It says it in the OP Points Scale.
The two are not mutually exclusive. The OP is providing examples.
For Example, Free Polis's military is an 8, They still use fucking black powder rifles but have good training and field artillery.
The Points Scale is an example of what the various numbers could mean. You're being far to literal in the interpretation.
by Kazarogkai » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:27 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Tayner wrote:
A 9 means you have good guns and good training. It says it in the OP Points Scale.
The two are not mutually exclusive. The OP is providing examples.
For Example, Free Polis's military is an 8, They still use fucking black powder rifles but have good training and field artillery.
The Points Scale is an example of what the various numbers could mean. You're being far to literal in the interpretation.
by Heraklea- » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:32 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:Seeing as I have a bunch of random, rare medicine in the hospital, can I invent new drugs? Stardust and Fireball seem too easy to manufacture, and I wanted something that could bring in more caps.
by Of The Rnclave » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:34 pm
Kazarogkai wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:
The two are not mutually exclusive. The OP is providing examples.
For Example, Free Polis's military is an 8, They still use fucking black powder rifles but have good training and field artillery.
The Points Scale is an example of what the various numbers could mean. You're being far to literal in the interpretation.
To be fair 150 years after the apocalypse do you think that would be really that uncommon? Consider the fact that black powder is rather easy and simple to make in contrast Smokeless powder is worlds apart and would be very difficult to manufacture unless you had a good deal of knowledge in chemistry. Not only that but Firearms not taken care of like most things degrade over time so as such guns produced 150 years ago would be pretty much falling apart except in some rare occasions.
Return to Portal to the Multiverse
Users browsing this forum: No registered users
