Age of Roma: 300 BCE (OOC/Signups) Open

[Elepis]

Okay, guys. I've chosen to take Lydia/Sardes anyway and I'm accepted by the OP by TG so make way for Lydia.

do not attack Pergamon and we can be friends, do attack Pergamon and we will not be

[Elepis]

Okay, guys. I've chosen to take Lydia/Sardes anyway and I'm accepted by the OP by TG so make way for Lydia.

do not attack Pergamon and we can be friends, do attack Pergamon and we will not be

I would say build a fleet by all means but not one on the scale of mine of Rhodes, if you do, it will trigger an arms race which will spiral out of control eventually bankrupting us both and paving way for Macedon to take over as the great power

[G-Tech Corporation]

Interesting. So Seleuces has some valid grasp of the importance of naval power. Perhaps I should start work in the shipyards of Lebanon.

and trigger an arms race between Egypt, Rhodes and you. I was hoping for peaceful slight friendshipness

Arms race? I doubt the Seleucids have any need for a navy as large as Egypt and definitely not Rhodes, but IRL Seleuces built a small navy to support landings and port sieges along the near Mediterranean. My only need for ships is similar to that, and to control piracy off the coast of Judea/Syria that the Ptolemies have no incentive to suppress.

[Elepis]

and trigger an arms race between Egypt, Rhodes and you. I was hoping for peaceful slight friendshipness

Arms race? I doubt the Seleucids have any need for a navy as large as Egypt and definitely not Rhodes, but IRL Seleuces built a small navy to support landings and port sieges along the near Mediterranean. My only need for ships is similar to that, and to control piracy off the coast of Judea/Syria that the Ptolemies have no incentive to suppress.

good, I am trying to crush Piracy and the Rhodians also did that IRL, we could work together

[Diliath]

Okay, guys. I've chosen to take Lydia/Sardes anyway and I'm accepted by the OP by TG so make way for Lydia.

do not attack Pergamon and we can be friends, do attack Pergamon and we will not be

I'm ok with peace. I'll search peace with everyone anyway. Peace with Pergamon, Egypt, the Seleucids and Pontus are some of my main goals.
I will built a fleet but just for defensive reasons. I guess that the Ionian cities and Nicomedia both already are big fleet stations.

[Taelete]

do not attack Pergamon and we can be friends, do attack Pergamon and we will not be

I'm ok with peace. I'll search peace with everyone anyway. Peace with Pergamon, Egypt, the Seleucids and Pontus are some of my main goals.
I will built a fleet but just for defensive reasons. I guess that the Ionian cities and Nicomedia both already are big fleet stations.

That's me again sorry.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Crete works out, with the Ptolemies, Greeks, and Etruscans all angling for it.

[Elepis]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Crete works out, with the Ptolemies, Greeks, and Etruscans all angling for it.

My first aim is to force the king of Crete to give me Heraklion and exclusive trading rights, then I will either let him be or come back later and take the entire island. I later aim to take over some of the smaller island city states like Thera and Limnos

Basically, I have no intention of attacking Macedon Sparta etc unless they attack an ally or an ally attacks them

[Nuxipal]

Meanwhile, Carthage is just sitting there.. waiting for the "King of Sicily" to die so we can take Syracuse finally..

[Elepis]

It would take apporx 5 days for triremes from Rhodes travelling at normal speed to reach Crete, that seems like an OK time to supply a possible invasion force (I aim initially to just establish a large trade post)

[Lisbane]

Roman Republic plans to ally all of Italia and then go on adventures in france.

[Elepis]

Roman Republic plans to ally all of Italia and then go on adventures in france.

how will it reach France? the Etruscans are in the way. When Caesar annexed Gaul, he had men from all over the Mediterranean fighting with him, 120,000 men, and even then it was almost impossible. How do you plan to do it with just the area round Rome which is poorer and less populated than the Empire of 58BC?

[Diliath]

Roman Republic plans to ally all of Italia and then go on adventures in france.

how will it reach France? the Etruscans are in the way. When Caesar annexed Gaul, he had men from all over the Mediterranean fighting with him, 120,000 men, and even then it was almost impossible. How do you plan to do it with just the area round Rome which is poorer and less populated than the Empire of 58BC?

And the threat of other italians and cathage. Well, Rome has a very good and disciplined army although its small. I guess that they can establish some kind of coast enclave when they use a part of their forces.

[Olthenia]

Roman Republic plans to ally all of Italia and then go on adventures in france.

how will it reach France? the Etruscans are in the way. When Caesar annexed Gaul, he had men from all over the Mediterranean fighting with him, 120,000 men, and even then it was almost impossible. How do you plan to do it with just the area round Rome which is poorer and less populated than the Empire of 58BC?

He could launch a fleet from Rome, sail north of Sardinia and land at Gaul's southern coast.

[Elepis]

how will it reach France? the Etruscans are in the way. When Caesar annexed Gaul, he had men from all over the Mediterranean fighting with him, 120,000 men, and even then it was almost impossible. How do you plan to do it with just the area round Rome which is poorer and less populated than the Empire of 58BC?

And the threat of other italians and cathage. Well, Rome has a very good and disciplined army although its small. I guess that they can establish some kind of coast enclave when they use a part of their forces.

The Roman army of 300BC was nothing compared to the army of 58BC, they will be inexperienced and will crucialy not have been reformed by Marius. They will also not have Caesar, one of the greatest generals in history leading them

[Elepis]

how will it reach France? the Etruscans are in the way. When Caesar annexed Gaul, he had men from all over the Mediterranean fighting with him, 120,000 men, and even then it was almost impossible. How do you plan to do it with just the area round Rome which is poorer and less populated than the Empire of 58BC?

He could launch a fleet from Rome, sail north of Sardinia and land at Gaul's southern coast.

and then what?

And the threat of other italians and cathage. Well, Rome has a very good and disciplined army although its small. I guess that they can establish some kind of coast enclave when they use a part of their forces.

The Roman army of 300BC was nothing compared to the army of 58BC, they will be inexperienced and will crucial not have been reformed by Marius. They will also not have Caesar, one of the greatest generals in history leading them

[Olthenia]

He could launch a fleet from Rome, sail north of Sardinia and land at Gaul's southern coast.

and then what?

The Roman army of 300BC was nothing compared to the army of 58BC, they will be inexperienced and will crucial not have been reformed by Marius. They will also not have Caesar, one of the greatest generals in history leading them

Be eaten for lunch by angry, angry tribesmen?

[Elepis]

and then what?

Be eaten for lunch by angry, angry tribesmen?

yep, and most likely, Rome will be sacked by them a 2nd time

[Taelete]

He could launch a fleet from Rome, sail north of Sardinia and land at Gaul's southern coast.

and then what?

The Roman army of 300BC was nothing compared to the army of 58BC, they will be inexperienced and will crucial not have been reformed by Marius. They will also not have Caesar, one of the greatest generals in history leading them

It was the army as it was before Marius that defeated Cathage, many spanish tribes, the italians in the Gauls. The system before Marius was very good. Also it is stupid that they would lose because they haven't got Caesar as Rome constantly produced good generals, also in early times. Take a look at the Scipii for example.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Yes but it is set in RL historical settings, so I assume that the maps would reflect that ancient historical context.

And according to the list of available nations in the RP, there are supposed to be seven Chinese warring states, of which I only see six on the map...

There are seven states, the small one included.

And it reflects a period, yes, but there are things changed for fun, like Carthage owning Corsica, there being only three Gaelic tribes, etc.

There's only 3 tribes because, quite frankly, it would be near impossible to map out the singular territories of every single tribe in the world at the time.

Oh, and Carthage totally owned Corsica

[Elepis]

and then what?

It was the army as it was before Marius that defeated Cathage, many spanish tribes, the italians in the Gauls. The system before Marius was very good. Also it is stupid that they would lose because they haven't got Caesar as Rome constantly produced good generals, also in early times. Take a look at the Scipii for example.

The Marian reforms were brought in to counter the Gauls/Germans, before they were brought in they were being hammered and Rome looked like it was about to fall. If Marius (a very good general) had to change the entire structure of the Roman army to beat two tribes, how will this Rome with no Marian reforms beat all the tribes?

Remember, this Roman has not fought Carthage yet, it has not fought Macedon or the Seleucids yet, it is young an inexperienced, during Caesar's time it was very experienced. Also, now it is not that rich, it is probably quite poor, in 58BC it was the richest nation on earth but it still took years to beat the Gauls .

Finally, the Roman empire in 58BC had a population measured in millions, it could raise armies measured in the hundreds of thousands. Caesar took an army of 120,000 in to Gaul and still had a hard time of it, how many men could the Romans of 300BC send in, 50,000? 30,000?

[Lisbane]

I could most likely use the maniple (since this ah I would have that early) unit, which would decrease the effectiveness of any range weapons while still maintaining a good defense against any infantry. Also with my shields I could probably fend off an attack of light cavalry ( taking heavy(to medium) losses mind you). And if i were to conquer a small bit of land on the coast I could recruit enemy ranged units, while still keeping morale up with all those lovely fish. Also, pointy iron swords.

[Diliath]

It was the army as it was before Marius that defeated Cathage, many spanish tribes, the italians in the Gauls. The system before Marius was very good. Also it is stupid that they would lose because they haven't got Caesar as Rome constantly produced good generals, also in early times. Take a look at the Scipii for example.

The Marian reforms were brought in to counter the Gauls/Germans, before they were brought in they were being hammered and Rome looked like it was about to fall. If Marius (a very good general) had to change the entire structure of the Roman army to beat two tribes, how will this Rome with no Marian reforms beat all the tribes?

Remember, this Roman has not fought Carthage yet, it has not fought Macedon or the Seleucids yet, it is young an inexperienced, during Caesar's time it was very experienced. Also, now it is not that rich, it is probably quite poor, in 58BC it was the richest nation on earth but it still took years to beat the Gauls .

Finally, the Roman empire in 58BC had a population measured in millions, it could raise armies measured in the hundreds of thousands. Caesar took an army of 120,000 in to Gaul and still had a hard time of it, how many men could the Romans of 300BC send in, 50,000? 30,000?

Of course is he not able to conquer Gaul. I just say the the roman army was still strong before Marius' reforms. Also the two barbarian tribes that fought Rome in its starting time were not weak. I just want to say that Rome is able to launch an expidition to conquer some coast enclave in Gaul. REmember that the Gallic tribes are divided so maybe a weak coast tribe or something could be possible.

[Diliath]

I could most likely use the maniple (since this ah I would have that early) unit, which would decrease the effectiveness of any range weapons while still maintaining a good defense against any infantry. Also with my shields I could probably fend off an attack of light cavalry ( taking heavy(to medium) losses mind you). And if i were to conquer a small bit of land on the coast I could recruit enemy ranged units, while still keeping morale up with all those lovely fish. Also, pointy iron swords.

The Hastati, Principes, Triarii triple formation is also a good tactic(even against barbarians ).

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Hey Ik, pardon me but it seems as you have only six major warring states instead of seven in the area of ancient China in your political map? (Unless that small little bit in the middle counts as one but that seems unlikely)

And also, based on historical assessments and estimations, shouldn't the Qin state have a land border with the states of Han, Wei, Zhao and Chu?

I do apologise for the nitpickiness, the result of my own obsession with historical accuracy and my inane OCD.

This isn't a historical RP, look at the maps, they're crazy.

Yes, the maps sure are crazy. I only spent hours digging up the names of tribes and the extent of their borders, including over half an hour to find one Berber tribe that wasn't Numidia. Then I had to do Arabia, which I was lucky enough to have found it having some big tribes. Scytho-Sarmatia was also fairly easy in comparison with Europe because of the large land-size, but it still took effort. Then I fill in India mostly, adding the few non-Maurya kingdoms. I could find next to no information on Tibetan tribes, and had to improvise on that. After all that, I was eager to finally be done with it. I pulled up a map of the Warring States that seemed rather ambiguous in its placement within China, and I tried to replicate the borders it told me. Yes, I left one out, I do make mistakes.

And then I had to do the culture and religion maps, refilling every little area and trying to find which areas corresponded to what cultures, like how much of Massalia has a Gaulish population? Does any of it follow the Druid religion? and this got especially fun with Italic tribes, and the Veneti in particular. It is quite difficult finding a decent amount of information on the Veneti. I then figured out which tribe corresponds to the Goths, which tribe turned out to be ambiguously the Vandals, where in Bactria the cultural borders were, and other such things. Don't even get me started on resorting this information into a nations list, taking 3 hours in itself.

This is not easy, and it takes a lot of time. So please, do excuse me if your one insignificant tribe isn't there because a practical clone is there under a different name.