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[Sanctissima]

I'm still game for the Alexandrian Coalition (Nice name, right?)

It's a pretty awesome name, and I think the Greeks are gonna be in it or die by me mighty rule. Especially since some will join me Greece will be an ally. Course it's easier if they all agree. And I think Byzantion is with it.
As far as alt history goes. Me and Greece is decent. With the way I said above. And as far as tylis goes. An allied front to defend from Thrace and against the the other Balkan and possible celts. As I said I wanted to expand north primarily to consolidate and prove to Greeks it's smart to join before taking the Greek colonies in Italy. Which is where I'll meet the Etruscans and team up. Know, they don't have to be allies with each other so maybe just them allied with me and they know about each other. That doesn't seem as bad. Alt history wise. And us and Etruscans are reasonable before we get into Italy

Either way, no matter whether the Alexandrian Coalition takes off or not, Byzantion plans on keeping close ties with Macedon.

[Elepis]

He was king of it, his son was king of it, how much more do you want? He was based more in Thrace, his son become king of Thrace but Pergamon got independence when he died

Eh, I was trying to deter you from getting maritally tied-up with him.

Oh well, looks like my ambitions will inevitably clash with yours.

Don't invade one of the regions powerhouses and her big ally and you will be safe. Just sit in Byzantion and get rich through trade

[G-Tech Corporation]

I'm still game for the Alexandrian Coalition (Nice name, right?)

It's a pretty awesome name, and I think the Greeks are gonna be in it or die by me mighty rule. Especially since some will join me Greece will be an ally. Course it's easier if they all agree. And I think Byzantion is with it.
As far as alt history goes. Me and Greece is decent. With the way I said above. And as far as tylis goes. An allied front to defend from Thrace and against the the other Balkan and possible celts. As I said I wanted to expand north primarily to consolidate and prove to Greeks it's smart to join before taking the Greek colonies in Italy. Which is where I'll meet the Etruscans and team up. Know, they don't have to be allies with each other so maybe just them allied with me and they know about each other. That doesn't seem as bad. Alt history wise. And us and Etruscans are reasonable before we get into Italy

Do you see the trouble with what you term an alliance though? There are very few alliances between nations in this historical period, and without exceptions those alliances are in pursuit of war against some foreign power. Mutual protection pacts/military alliances/self-defense treaties simply don't exist in the Hellenic Era, nor in Classical Antiquity. The closest you get are marriage alliances and the client state relationship, but those aren't the same thing.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Ik, what can you offer the Nordi when they finally reach you ?

The finest bronze in the Mediterranean, some nice boots, plentiful jewelry, map information, and famous Etruscan art. If that doesn't please you, you could also buy out some slaves or something. Bronze is good for weapons!

[Diliath]

Ik, what can you offer the Nordi when they finally reach you ?

The finest bronze in the Mediterranean, some nice boots, plentiful jewelry, map information, and famous Etruscan art. If that doesn't please you, you could also buy out some slaves or something. Bronze is good for weapons!

Iron or steel is better.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

It's a pretty awesome name, and I think the Greeks are gonna be in it or die by me mighty rule. Especially since some will join me Greece will be an ally. Course it's easier if they all agree. And I think Byzantion is with it.
As far as alt history goes. Me and Greece is decent. With the way I said above. And as far as tylis goes. An allied front to defend from Thrace and against the the other Balkan and possible celts. As I said I wanted to expand north primarily to consolidate and prove to Greeks it's smart to join before taking the Greek colonies in Italy. Which is where I'll meet the Etruscans and team up. Know, they don't have to be allies with each other so maybe just them allied with me and they know about each other. That doesn't seem as bad. Alt history wise. And us and Etruscans are reasonable before we get into Italy

Do you see the trouble with what you term an alliance though? There are very few alliances between nations in this historical period, and without exceptions those alliances are in pursuit of war against some foreign power. Mutual protection pacts/military alliances/self-defense treaties simply don't exist in the Hellenic Era, nor in Classical Antiquity. The closest you get are marriage alliances and the client state relationship, but those aren't the same thing.

The state we call Sparta is technically a complex string of alliances, and the Etruscans were often considered an alliance in their early union.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

The finest bronze in the Mediterranean, some nice boots, plentiful jewelry, map information, and famous Etruscan art. If that doesn't please you, you could also buy out some slaves or something. Bronze is good for weapons!

Iron or steel is better.

But bronze can be a status symbol.

[Prusslandia]

Ik, what can you offer the Nordi when they finally reach you ?

The finest bronze in the Mediterranean, some nice boots, plentiful jewelry, map information, and famous Etruscan art. If that doesn't please you, you could also buy out some slaves or something. Bronze is good for weapons!

Indeed it is. The vikings love jewelry, and combs. And sheep. Do you have sheep ?

[Sanctissima]

Eh, I was trying to deter you from getting maritally tied-up with him.

Oh well, looks like my ambitions will inevitably clash with yours.

Don't invade one of the regions powerhouses and her big ally and you will be safe. Just sit in Byzantion and get rich through trade

Well, I don't exactly plan on invading, unless that becomes necessary.

That said, getting rid of Thracian vassalage and establishing firm control over the Propontis are definitely a priority. We'll see whether or not that gets Lysimachus' ire, or if he'll settle for trade rights and open borders in exchange for tolerating a wedge between his territories in Thrace and Asia Minor.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

The finest bronze in the Mediterranean, some nice boots, plentiful jewelry, map information, and famous Etruscan art. If that doesn't please you, you could also buy out some slaves or something. Bronze is good for weapons!

Indeed it is. The vikings love jewelry, and combs. And sheep. Do you have sheep ?

Yes, and goats too.

Plus, we have contact with Rome, who has a heavily iron-based military. We could, through indirect transfer, provide it should the desire rise.

[Elepis]

you will raid the nation that controls the 2nd largest fleet and is allies to the nation with the largest fleet which spends most of its time destroying pirates?

I have slaves, I have metal, I have ships, I have food. The Ptolemy's liked mercenaries, do you have any good warriors?

Yup. You won't have any real reason to pursue me, seeing as how I'm way up north.

And yes, I have fantastic warriors. Berserkers and more.

Can the fight in a disciplined battle?

[Ancian]

It's a pretty awesome name, and I think the Greeks are gonna be in it or die by me mighty rule. Especially since some will join me Greece will be an ally. Course it's easier if they all agree. And I think Byzantion is with it.
As far as alt history goes. Me and Greece is decent. With the way I said above. And as far as tylis goes. An allied front to defend from Thrace and against the the other Balkan and possible celts. As I said I wanted to expand north primarily to consolidate and prove to Greeks it's smart to join before taking the Greek colonies in Italy. Which is where I'll meet the Etruscans and team up. Know, they don't have to be allies with each other so maybe just them allied with me and they know about each other. That doesn't seem as bad. Alt history wise. And us and Etruscans are reasonable before we get into Italy

Do you see the trouble with what you term an alliance though? There are very few alliances between nations in this historical period, and without exceptions those alliances are in pursuit of war against some foreign power. Mutual protection pacts/military alliances/self-defense treaties simply don't exist in the Hellenic Era, nor in Classical Antiquity. The closest you get are marriage alliances and the client state relationship, but those aren't the same thing.

True. True. I've thought about it. And in the end*shhh* I plan on turning the Greeks into client states. More or less. But conquest as well in the north and Italy. But with tylis it's a pact if you will. Trade and support we'll work out a logical way for that to work out IC . And same with Etruscans. So coalition maybe not. But possible. But it'll get the job done for me. I mean. The city states won't necessarily be client states but that might be the way it works out.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Do you see the trouble with what you term an alliance though? There are very few alliances between nations in this historical period, and without exceptions those alliances are in pursuit of war against some foreign power. Mutual protection pacts/military alliances/self-defense treaties simply don't exist in the Hellenic Era, nor in Classical Antiquity. The closest you get are marriage alliances and the client state relationship, but those aren't the same thing.

The state we call Sparta is technically a complex string of alliances, and the Etruscans were often considered an alliance in their early union.

Certainly. The Spartans exist as a military league originally intended to combat Athens though, and historically there's quite a bit of friction over when they aren't fighting their declared enemy; a similar example is the ultimate fate of the Delian League. The Etruscans, also, were more of a confederation on an economic and religious basis, not what we conceive of as a military alliance. Case in point, the eventual Roman-Etruscan Wars, with Rome fighting against specific cities rather than the League as a whole.

[Elepis]

The finest bronze in the Mediterranean, some nice boots, plentiful jewelry, map information, and famous Etruscan art. If that doesn't please you, you could also buy out some slaves or something. Bronze is good for weapons!

Indeed it is. The vikings love jewelry, and combs. And sheep. Do you have sheep ?

I have grain, ivory, gold, iron, bronze, jewels, vast knowledge of everything (Alexandrian library and all that), strange beasts, famous Egyptian art and strange writing

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Yup. You won't have any real reason to pursue me, seeing as how I'm way up north.

And yes, I have fantastic warriors. Berserkers and more.

Can the fight in a disciplined battle?

That's the beauty of Germanic warriors, though. They don't, and they crush easily those who do. Germanic berserkers were highly effective in battle, very bestial and felt almost no pain due to a process we aren't quite sure how to do, but it likely involved some drug usage.

[Elepis]

Can the fight in a disciplined battle?

That's the beauty of Germanic warriors, though. They don't, and they crush easily those who do. Germanic berserkers were highly effective in battle, very bestial and felt almost no pain due to a process we aren't quite sure how to do, but it likely involved some drug usage.

They were excellent at ambushes but most of the time they crushed in open battle against the Romans

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Indeed it is. The vikings love jewelry, and combs. And sheep. Do you have sheep ?

I have grain, ivory, gold, iron, bronze, jewels, vast knowledge of everything (Alexandrian library and all that), strange beasts, famous Egyptian art and strange writing

Aha, but the Great Library hasn't been built yet! It was constructed some time in the upcoming century, but some estimates place the construction in the reign of Ptolemy's successor, meaning it was likely towards the end of Ptolemy's life.

[Elepis]

I have grain, ivory, gold, iron, bronze, jewels, vast knowledge of everything (Alexandrian library and all that), strange beasts, famous Egyptian art and strange writing

Aha, but the Great Library hasn't been built yet! It was constructed some time in the upcoming century, but some estimates place the construction in the reign of Ptolemy's successor, meaning it was likely towards the end of Ptolemy's life.

We still have the things that went in to it

[Sanctissima]

Can the fight in a disciplined battle?

That's the beauty of Germanic warriors, though. They don't, and they crush easily those who do. Germanic berserkers were highly effective in battle, very bestial and felt almost no pain due to a process we aren't quite sure how to do, but it likely involved some drug usage.

I think the general consensus is that they either consumed a semi-hallucinogenic mushroom with their food: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

Or they just drank a lot of alcohol prior to battle.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

That's the beauty of Germanic warriors, though. They don't, and they crush easily those who do. Germanic berserkers were highly effective in battle, very bestial and felt almost no pain due to a process we aren't quite sure how to do, but it likely involved some drug usage.

They were excellent at ambushes but most of the time they crushed in open battle against the Romans

They later tested their strength against armies like the Picts and Gaelic kingdoms in the medieval era with the same process. Germans also rely on a swarm tactic sort of thing, which has potential to be quite effective if they can gather enough warriors. Of course, being Germanic, many warriors from all across Germania hop aboard expeditions for glory. Adventurers, if you will.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Indeed it is. The vikings love jewelry, and combs. And sheep. Do you have sheep ?

I have grain, ivory, gold, iron, bronze, jewels, vast knowledge of everything (Alexandrian library and all that), strange beasts, famous Egyptian art and strange writing

grain is a basic resource that can be found anywhere, and generally gold isn't traded in significant quantities, generally going to become currency instead. We, too, have jewels. And we, as the Etruscans, hold a fair knowledge of Greece, Italy, the Celtic lands, Iberia, The Balkans, and Germania through centuries of prolonged exposure and trade.

As for ivory, well, you've got me there.

[Nuverikstan]

That's the beauty of Germanic warriors, though. They don't, and they crush easily those who do. Germanic berserkers were highly effective in battle, very bestial and felt almost no pain due to a process we aren't quite sure how to do, but it likely involved some drug usage.

I think the general consensus is that they either consumed a semi-hallucinogenic mushroom with their food: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

Or they just drank a lot of alcohol prior to battle.

Wait, the Mario mushroom? Well if Mario has it shouldn't Italy also have it?

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Plus, we're so much fancier. Would you rather get Greek and Egyptian clothes, or go back with all the fancy Etruscan ones?

[Prusslandia]

I'd rather have the etruscan clothes. You can have the pelt of a mountain bear. Sound good ?

[Sanctissima]

I think the general consensus is that they either consumed a semi-hallucinogenic mushroom with their food: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

Or they just drank a lot of alcohol prior to battle.

Wait, the Mario mushroom? Well if Mario has it shouldn't Italy also have it?

Well, yes actually, they do (only upper North Italy mind you, near the Alps). Amanita muscaria is a fairly common mushroom.

I guess Mario gets high on a regular basis.