Age of Roma: 300 BCE (OOC/Signups) Open

[The NAR]

IC comes out today right?

[Nuxipal]

So, exactly how are we going to be doing armies in this RP? I know past RPs we've done 3-5% of total population, but for this time period, certain nations, Carthage included, regularly fielded armies ranging between 30 and 50 thousand on the land alone. I know that the majority of these have been described as Mercenary in the case of Carthage, though it seems they were more like the Roman Auxiliary forces that were supplied by allies in Iberia, Balearic Islands, North Africa, etc.

Just wanting to know how we are doing military forces so that I can try and reflect these larger numbers... because having less than 10,000 in Iberia/on Sicily/in Africa would be disastrous unless it could be reinforced by auxiliaries(mercenaries) and actual mercenaries.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Realistically, one can raise 20-30% of the male population for a campaign season, with attendant downsides. Those will all be fairly poorly trained levies though, which is good to keep in mind. I think Alouite is aiming for the 5% hard limit though.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Realistically, one can raise 20-30% of the male population for a campaign season, with attendant downsides. Those will all be fairly poorly trained levies though, which is good to keep in mind. I think Alouite is aiming for the 5% hard limit though.

the Age of Glory series upon which this is based has always had the 5% limit, and the first AOG started 1495

[Sanctissima]

So, exactly how are we going to be doing armies in this RP? I know past RPs we've done 3-5% of total population, but for this time period, certain nations, Carthage included, regularly fielded armies ranging between 30 and 50 thousand on the land alone. I know that the majority of these have been described as Mercenary in the case of Carthage, though it seems they were more like the Roman Auxiliary forces that were supplied by allies in Iberia, Balearic Islands, North Africa, etc.

Just wanting to know how we are doing military forces so that I can try and reflect these larger numbers... because having less than 10,000 in Iberia/on Sicily/in Africa would be disastrous unless it could be reinforced by auxiliaries(mercenaries) and actual mercenaries.

Basically, I think (and I can't speak for the OP or Ik) that it will depend on the nation. Carthage, for example, would have a diverse army, being semi-professional, semi-conscripted and semi-mercenary (and that's not even mentioning it's navy). Other nations, particularly the tribal ones, would be almost 100% mercenary. And then there's semi-divided empires like the Seleucids who have a massive army, but it's divided amongst semi-autonomous satraps.

So, yeah, depends on the nation and what's going on. In peace-time, Carthage might just have 10,000 regular troops scattered throughout the garrisons of any given territory. However, in war-time, it wouldn't take long to supplement this with a much larger conscripted army, as well as various mercenaries (which is pretty much what most nations like Carthage did).

[Nuxipal]

Realistically, one can raise 20-30% of the male population for a campaign season, with attendant downsides. Those will all be fairly poorly trained levies though, which is good to keep in mind. I think Alouite is aiming for the 5% hard limit though.

That'll be rough. Well, I'll be needing to employ actual mercenaries. Considering the Carthaginian army was about a half dozen or so standing units and a large standing army. With the citizenry only being conscripted when the city itself was in danger.

Realistically, one can raise 20-30% of the male population for a campaign season, with attendant downsides. Those will all be fairly poorly trained levies though, which is good to keep in mind. I think Alouite is aiming for the 5% hard limit though.

the Age of Glory series upon which this is based has always had the 5% limit, and the first AOG started 1495

I remember the first AOG.. the Iroquois were going to kick the crap out of those European Colonists..

[The Intergalactic Russian Empire]

Realistically, one can raise 20-30% of the male population for a campaign season, with attendant downsides. Those will all be fairly poorly trained levies though, which is good to keep in mind. I think Alouite is aiming for the 5% hard limit though.

That'll be rough. Well, I'll be needing to employ actual mercenaries. Considering the Carthaginian army was about a half dozen or so standing units and a large standing army. With the citizenry only being conscripted when the city itself was in danger.

the Age of Glory series upon which this is based has always had the 5% limit, and the first AOG started 1495

I remember the first AOG.. the Iroquois were going to kick the crap out of those European Colonists..

Fair bit of warning, most of my knowledge about this era and military strategy comes from Total War games.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Realistically, one can raise 20-30% of the male population for a campaign season, with attendant downsides. Those will all be fairly poorly trained levies though, which is good to keep in mind. I think Alouite is aiming for the 5% hard limit though.

That'll be rough. Well, I'll be needing to employ actual mercenaries. Considering the Carthaginian army was about a half dozen or so standing units and a large standing army. With the citizenry only being conscripted when the city itself was in danger.

the Age of Glory series upon which this is based has always had the 5% limit, and the first AOG started 1495

I remember the first AOG.. the Iroquois were going to kick the crap out of those European Colonists..

And the Byzantines were totally going to revive a pagan Rome

[Nuxipal]

That'll be rough. Well, I'll be needing to employ actual mercenaries. Considering the Carthaginian army was about a half dozen or so standing units and a large standing army. With the citizenry only being conscripted when the city itself was in danger.



I remember the first AOG.. the Iroquois were going to kick the crap out of those European Colonists..

Fair bit of warning, most of my knowledge about this era and military strategy comes from Total War games.

We can try and compensate for you. Most of my knowledge of this era comes from university level schooling.

That'll be rough. Well, I'll be needing to employ actual mercenaries. Considering the Carthaginian army was about a half dozen or so standing units and a large standing army. With the citizenry only being conscripted when the city itself was in danger.



I remember the first AOG.. the Iroquois were going to kick the crap out of those European Colonists..

And the Byzantines were totally going to revive a pagan Rome

That storyline was so epic.. and the Aztec culture that was spreading across North America was so entertaining. When we restarted it, I was pretty disappointed that I'd be losing my Iroquois Pyramids..

[The Intergalactic Russian Empire]

Fair bit of warning, most of my knowledge about this era and military strategy comes from Total War games.

We can try and compensate for you. Most of my knowledge of this era comes from university level schooling.

I mean, I had never even heard of the Geats and Jutes until I started watching a YouTuber play Attila: Total War as the Geats.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

This isn't a historical RP, look at the maps, they're crazy.

Yes, the maps sure are crazy. I only spent hours digging up the names of tribes and the extent of their borders, including over half an hour to find one Berber tribe that wasn't Numidia. Then I had to do Arabia, which I was lucky enough to have found it having some big tribes. Scytho-Sarmatia was also fairly easy in comparison with Europe because of the large land-size, but it still took effort. Then I fill in India mostly, adding the few non-Maurya kingdoms. I could find next to no information on Tibetan tribes, and had to improvise on that. After all that, I was eager to finally be done with it. I pulled up a map of the Warring States that seemed rather ambiguous in its placement within China, and I tried to replicate the borders it told me. Yes, I left one out, I do make mistakes.

And then I had to do the culture and religion maps, refilling every little area and trying to find which areas corresponded to what cultures, like how much of Massalia has a Gaulish population? Does any of it follow the Druid religion? and this got especially fun with Italic tribes, and the Veneti in particular. It is quite difficult finding a decent amount of information on the Veneti. I then figured out which tribe corresponds to the Goths, which tribe turned out to be ambiguously the Vandals, where in Bactria the cultural borders were, and other such things. Don't even get me started on resorting this information into a nations list, taking 3 hours in itself.

This is not easy, and it takes a lot of time. So please, do excuse me if your one insignificant tribe isn't there because a practical clone is there under a different name.

And I can assure you Sir that it has never been my intention to cast aspersions on your work nor demean the effort you put in, rather that I just happened to notice an anomaly in the maps. An anomaly. Not me saying that the maps suck (which they don't because that Asia Minor bit aside, I do enjoy and appreciate the work you've put in).

If of course that came across in the wrong way, then I do hereby formally and unreservedly apologise.

[Alouite]

IC comes out today right?

I still think it shall.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Yes, the maps sure are crazy. I only spent hours digging up the names of tribes and the extent of their borders, including over half an hour to find one Berber tribe that wasn't Numidia. Then I had to do Arabia, which I was lucky enough to have found it having some big tribes. Scytho-Sarmatia was also fairly easy in comparison with Europe because of the large land-size, but it still took effort. Then I fill in India mostly, adding the few non-Maurya kingdoms. I could find next to no information on Tibetan tribes, and had to improvise on that. After all that, I was eager to finally be done with it. I pulled up a map of the Warring States that seemed rather ambiguous in its placement within China, and I tried to replicate the borders it told me. Yes, I left one out, I do make mistakes.

And then I had to do the culture and religion maps, refilling every little area and trying to find which areas corresponded to what cultures, like how much of Massalia has a Gaulish population? Does any of it follow the Druid religion? and this got especially fun with Italic tribes, and the Veneti in particular. It is quite difficult finding a decent amount of information on the Veneti. I then figured out which tribe corresponds to the Goths, which tribe turned out to be ambiguously the Vandals, where in Bactria the cultural borders were, and other such things. Don't even get me started on resorting this information into a nations list, taking 3 hours in itself.

This is not easy, and it takes a lot of time. So please, do excuse me if your one insignificant tribe isn't there because a practical clone is there under a different name.

And I can assure you Sir that it has never been my intention to cast aspersions on your work nor demean the effort you put in, rather that I just happened to notice an anomaly in the maps. An anomaly. Not me saying that the maps suck (which they don't because that Asia Minor bit aside, I do enjoy and appreciate the work you've put in).

If of course that came across in the wrong way, then I do hereby formally and unreservedly apologise.

You were right, the state was missing. I gave my reason for why I forgot it, even though I believe it is in the nations list. It was more directed to Reatra, who has so far been debating the Iverni thing.

[Azaflaza]

Brigantias theme

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb2_IfSnN54

Or it could be britains theme as a whole with each tribes capital city being shown like in game of thrones title sequence!

[Reatra]

Brigantias theme

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb2_IfSnN54

Or it could be britains theme as a whole with each tribes capital city being shown like in game of thrones title sequence!

hahahahahahahaha

You act as if you'll survive long enough to own Britain.

[Azaflaza]

Brigantias theme

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb2_IfSnN54

Or it could be britains theme as a whole with each tribes capital city being shown like in game of thrones title sequence!

hahahahahahahaha

You act as if you'll survive long enough to own Britain.

Sorry should I act like I'm going to fail pathetically?

Besides nothing in my post suggested such a thing.

[Alouite]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=333351

http://www.crystalinks.com/RomePainting4.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okhmrjBuYnc

[Azaflaza]

Highlanders life- like the Picts in the north, the Brigantes are primarily located in mountainous regions which gives them a familiarity with living and fighting in these terrains. Bonus when fighting in highland terrain or fighting an enemy without this modifier.

King in the north- king of Brigantia rules over a huge amount of land equating to pretty much all of Northern England, as such he is powerful and influencial. Bonus to public relations with the king throughout the british isles making conquered populations quick to be subdued.

North/South divide- the hardships and struggles of life in Brigantia has created a cultural divide between the northern Kingdom and the southern kingdoms, as such a rivalry exists between the two regions. Disadvantage of diplomacy with southern kingdoms

Britannia rules the waves- with an extensive coastline to defend from Nordic raiders and the typical marine associations with a islander culture, the Brigantes hold the strongest fleeting Britain. Bonus when fighting Coastal raiders or other Britannic kingdoms on the sea.

202- modifiers for Brigantia

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=333351

http://www.crystalinks.com/RomePainting4.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okhmrjBuYnc

Yeah Boii!

Heheheheh....get it? Boii? Like the tribe?

[Alouite]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=333351

http://www.crystalinks.com/RomePainting4.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okhmrjBuYnc

Yeah Boii!

Heheheheh....get it? Boii? Like the tribe?

I put that modifier in.

[Alouite]

Highlanders life- like the Picts in the north, the Brigantes are primarily located in mountainous regions which gives them a familiarity with living and fighting in these terrains. Bonus when fighting in highland terrain or fighting an enemy without this modifier.

King in the north- king of Brigantia rules over a huge amount of land equating to pretty much all of Northern England, as such he is powerful and influencial. Bonus to public relations with the king throughout the british isles making conquered populations quick to be subdued.

North/South divide- the hardships and struggles of life in Brigantia has created a cultural divide between the northern Kingdom and the southern kingdoms, as such a rivalry exists between the two regions. Disadvantage of diplomacy with southern kingdoms

Britannia rules the waves- with an extensive coastline to defend from Nordic raiders and the typical marine associations with a islander culture, the Brigantes hold the strongest fleeting Britain. Bonus when fighting Coastal raiders or other Britannic kingdoms on the sea.

202- modifiers for Brigantia

You are not Britannia yet me laddy, Britannia doesn't rule the waves yet. But I will let you use the bonus under another name and slightly weaken the modifiers.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Yeah Boii!

Heheheheh....get it? Boii? Like the tribe?

I put that modifier in.

I saw. Thank you.

Fun fact: Pompeii was an Etruscan city, and one of the major states of the Campanian League, a league of southern Etruscans. Rome's conquered them by now, though.

[Azaflaza]

You are not Britannia yet me laddy, Britannia doesn't rule the waves yet. But I will let you use the bonus under another name and slightly weaken the modifiers.

It's not an literal statement, it's a metaphor to make the modifier sound cooler haha.
Which ones do you want weakened and how so?

[Aden Protectorate]

I came to this late, but are Tibet or the Xiongnu open?

[Alouite]

You are not Britannia yet me laddy, Britannia doesn't rule the waves yet. But I will let you use the bonus under another name and slightly weaken the modifiers.

It's not an literal statement, it's a metaphor to make the modifier sound cooler haha.
Which ones do you want weakened and how so?

I won't give you dominance over all other naval powers in Britain. But you will be allowed to dominate coastal raiders, oh, and since you likely have the biggest fleet anyways you wouldn't need a modifier to dominate the seas nearby. Post yourself doing that and it will trigger a modifier, most IC posts have potential for me to create new modifiers from. Negative ones will be added in red.