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Postby Elepis » Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:49 am

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Elepis wrote:will the coup descend in to civil war?


Yes...yes it will but we were heading that way anyway.


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Postby Novae Vitae » Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:51 am

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Also, recall that Jaime is to be having a chat with Tytos as they ride for Deep Den, or when they arrive. It's your discretion, I really don't care.

Speaking of Jaime at Deep Den, I have a question of logistics for OOC. Here is what's going down in the West:

-Jaime, on the night of 2DFD, sent several ravens to his lords, ordering them to send 500 mounted men to Deep Den within three days; I imagine Jaime would wait until 6 or 7DFD before riding. At this point, how many men would he have? For simplicity, we'll say him having all of them would be 10,000 men, including his own.
-Also, once Jaime leaves Deep Den, he's going to ride hard for King's Landing. About how long will it take him to arrive, from Deep Den, riding as hard as horses will allow?


I'd say it would take about a week since Nux laid out a walltofell hard ride is one week and a marching army is two weeks. Since you have an army marching it'll be about a week I estimate.

Also, side note, I find it funny how Ser Davos, who has nothing to do with the plot and is the only Baratheon loyal to Aerion is the one who's been wrongfully accused and about to be thrown from the top of the holdfast.


Hmmm . . . If it'll take that long for force to arrive in King's Landing, I think I'll wait until all ten thousand horsemen amass. Does arrive one think that could be done in five days? Ergo, Jaime would be ready to ride from Duskendale at 8DFD.

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Postby Givious » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:05 am

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Novae Vitae wrote:
Also, recall that Jaime is to be having a chat with Tytos as they ride for Deep Den, or when they arrive. It's your discretion, I really don't care.

Speaking of Jaime at Deep Den, I have a question of logistics for OOC. Here is what's going down in the West:

-Jaime, on the night of 2DFD, sent several ravens to his lords, ordering them to send 500 mounted men to Deep Den within three days; I imagine Jaime would wait until 6 or 7DFD before riding. At this point, how many men would he have? For simplicity, we'll say him having all of them would be 10,000 men, including his own.
-Also, once Jaime leaves Deep Den, he's going to ride hard for King's Landing. About how long will it take him to arrive, from Deep Den, riding as hard as horses will allow?


I'd say it would take about a week since Nux laid out a walltofell hard ride is one week and a marching army is two weeks. Since you have an army marching it'll be about a week I estimate.

Also, side note, I find it funny how Ser Davos, who has nothing to do with the plot and is the only Baratheon loyal to Aerion is the one who's been wrongfully accused and about to be thrown from the top of the holdfast.


Ned Stark "rebelled" and his entire household was slaughtered, including a "dancing" instructor and a septa. Davos is paying for the sins of renly and Stannis
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Postby Givious » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:08 am

Novae Vitae wrote:
Independent States of Tula wrote:
I'd say it would take about a week since Nux laid out a walltofell hard ride is one week and a marching army is two weeks. Since you have an army marching it'll be about a week I estimate.

Also, side note, I find it funny how Ser Davos, who has nothing to do with the plot and is the only Baratheon loyal to Aerion is the one who's been wrongfully accused and about to be thrown from the top of the holdfast.


Hmmm . . . If it'll take that long for force to arrive in King's Landing, I think I'll wait until all ten thousand horsemen amass. Does arrive one think that could be done in five days? Ergo, Jaime would be ready to ride from Duskendale at 8DFD.


Duskendale?
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Postby Independent States of Tula » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:10 am

Givious wrote:
Novae Vitae wrote:
Hmmm . . . If it'll take that long for force to arrive in King's Landing, I think I'll wait until all ten thousand horsemen amass. Does arrive one think that could be done in five days? Ergo, Jaime would be ready to ride from Duskendale at 8DFD.


Duskendale?


I think he meant Deep Den, the two of us are TGing each other and Duskendale came into the conversation. A slip of the tongue I'd guess...or fingers in this case.

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Postby Independent States of Tula » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:13 am

Givious wrote:
Independent States of Tula wrote:
I'd say it would take about a week since Nux laid out a walltofell hard ride is one week and a marching army is two weeks. Since you have an army marching it'll be about a week I estimate.

Also, side note, I find it funny how Ser Davos, who has nothing to do with the plot and is the only Baratheon loyal to Aerion is the one who's been wrongfully accused and about to be thrown from the top of the holdfast.


Ned Stark "rebelled" and his entire household was slaughtered, including a "dancing" instructor and a septa. Davos is paying for the sins of renly and Stannis


Except Ned Stark actually drew his blade against Joffery and Cersei, Davos wanted to get Aerion and his family to safety. Don't let this influence you ICly but when you do kill him Aerion will probably be known as a murderer. And Renly might try to capture Daeron so he can cut his throat open in front of Aerion if Aerion survives the battle. Doubtful since I doubt both will survive the war but hey, it would make for drama later.

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Postby Novae Vitae » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:14 am

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Givious wrote:
Duskendale?


I think he meant Deep Den, the two of us are TGing each other and Duskendale came into the conversation. A slip of the tongue I'd guess...or fingers in this case.


Yes, lol. I asked where Dun Fort was (I presumed Duskendale was also a castle), and its proximity to King's Landing (to which Jaime will ride) caused me to confuse it from Deep Den. So I'll rephrase:

At 8DFD, will Jaime have all 10,000 riders from his lords? That means even the latest of his lords will have been riding hard for five days.

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Givious wrote:
Ned Stark "rebelled" and his entire household was slaughtered, including a "dancing" instructor and a septa. Davos is paying for the sins of renly and Stannis


Except Ned Stark actually drew his blade against Joffery and Cersei, Davos wanted to get Aerion and his family to safety. Don't let this influence you ICly but when you do kill him Aerion will probably be known as a murderer. And Renly might try to capture Daeron so he can cut his throat open in front of Aerion if Aerion survives the battle. Doubtful since I doubt both will survive the war but hey, it would make for drama later.


#PoeticVengeance. Also, does Aerion have living male siblings? As stated ICly, Tywin believes this is vengeance against Aerion for leading to Gerion's banishment with his paranoia.

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Postby Elepis » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:43 am

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Elepis wrote:will the coup descend in to civil war?


Yes...yes it will but we were heading that way anyway.


Of cause, the kings will have to take out loans to support their war. In the war of the 5 kings, even the Lannisters had to get loans
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
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B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Postby Independent States of Tula » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:46 am

Elepis wrote:
Independent States of Tula wrote:
Yes...yes it will but we were heading that way anyway.


Of cause, the kings will have to take out loans to support their war. In the war of the 5 kings, even the Lannisters had to get loans


We do have access to three-quarters of the Royal treasury, but to get one quarter of it we'll be visiting you soon with Renly and Tywin as official diplomats of the Confederation I'm sure.

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Postby Elepis » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:49 am

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Elepis wrote:
Of cause, the kings will have to take out loans to support their war. In the war of the 5 kings, even the Lannisters had to get loans


We do have access to three-quarters of the Royal treasury, but to get one quarter of it we'll be visiting you soon with Renly and Tywin as official diplomats of the Confederation I'm sure.


You may meet the Sealord himself, you may not. It depends who has the advantage in Westeros

I hope to get a post up tonight but if I cannot, I will get one up tomorrow
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
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B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Postby Elepis » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:57 am

Elepis wrote:
Independent States of Tula wrote:
We do have access to three-quarters of the Royal treasury, but to get one quarter of it we'll be visiting you soon with Renly and Tywin as official diplomats of the Confederation I'm sure.


You may meet the Sealord himself, you may not. It depends who has the advantage in Westeros

I hope to get a post up tonight but if I cannot, I will get one up tomorrow


also, it is still highly possible you will have to take out loans, in the books the Crown had to even when there was not a war on
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Postby Givious » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:03 pm

Novae Vitae wrote:
Independent States of Tula wrote:
I think he meant Deep Den, the two of us are TGing each other and Duskendale came into the conversation. A slip of the tongue I'd guess...or fingers in this case.


Yes, lol. I asked where Dun Fort was (I presumed Duskendale was also a castle), and its proximity to King's Landing (to which Jaime will ride) caused me to confuse it from Deep Den. So I'll rephrase:

At 8DFD, will Jaime have all 10,000 riders from his lords? That means even the latest of his lords will have been riding hard for five days.

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Except Ned Stark actually drew his blade against Joffery and Cersei, Davos wanted to get Aerion and his family to safety. Don't let this influence you ICly but when you do kill him Aerion will probably be known as a murderer. And Renly might try to capture Daeron so he can cut his throat open in front of Aerion if Aerion survives the battle. Doubtful since I doubt both will survive the war but hey, it would make for drama later.


#PoeticVengeance. Also, does Aerion have living male siblings? As stated ICly, Tywin believes this is vengeance against Aerion for leading to Gerion's banishment with his paranoia.


Ned drew his sword after Cersei tore up the final decree of King Robert, treason in itself and attempted to have a twelve year old boy crowned king before Robert was cold.

Aerion does have a brother, Aerys who is the Lord of Harrenhal and is Lunas' main character...

Elepis wrote:
Independent States of Tula wrote:
We do have access to three-quarters of the Royal treasury, but to get one quarter of it we'll be visiting you soon with Renly and Tywin as official diplomats of the Confederation I'm sure.


You may meet the Sealord himself, you may not. It depends who has the advantage in Westeros

I hope to get a post up tonight but if I cannot, I will get one up tomorrow


I will have a post up shortly of a person sent by Aerion to withdraw funds from the Bank. The account is passphrased by Tywin Lannister so only he can open it, however he will bear royal documents stating that Tywin has "fallen out of favor". Technically, you are not to open the account for my guy.
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Postby Independent States of Tula » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:04 pm

Elepis wrote:
Elepis wrote:
You may meet the Sealord himself, you may not. It depends who has the advantage in Westeros

I hope to get a post up tonight but if I cannot, I will get one up tomorrow


also, it is still highly possible you will have to take out loans, in the books the Crown had to even when there was not a war on


That was because of King Robert's extravagant lifestyle and Littlefinger purposely using his position to bankrupt the Iron Throne. We'll see if the loans are needed though in the future. And we know exactly who to go to.

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Postby Givious » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:08 pm

So, I was going to have Aerion have a badass speech with Renly and Tywin; but for the sake of time and the fact that we are stuck on day 1, I am going to fast forward the battle to the end.
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Postby Independent States of Tula » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:09 pm

Givious wrote:
Novae Vitae wrote:
Yes, lol. I asked where Dun Fort was (I presumed Duskendale was also a castle), and its proximity to King's Landing (to which Jaime will ride) caused me to confuse it from Deep Den. So I'll rephrase:

At 8DFD, will Jaime have all 10,000 riders from his lords? That means even the latest of his lords will have been riding hard for five days.



#PoeticVengeance. Also, does Aerion have living male siblings? As stated ICly, Tywin believes this is vengeance against Aerion for leading to Gerion's banishment with his paranoia.


Ned drew his sword after Cersei tore up the final decree of King Robert, treason in itself and attempted to have a twelve year old boy crowned king before Robert was cold.

Aerion does have a brother, Aerys who is the Lord of Harrenhal and is Lunas' main character...

Elepis wrote:
You may meet the Sealord himself, you may not. It depends who has the advantage in Westeros

I hope to get a post up tonight but if I cannot, I will get one up tomorrow


I will have a post up shortly of a person sent by Aerion to withdraw funds from the Bank. The account is passphrased by Tywin Lannister so only he can open it, however he will bear royal documents stating that Tywin has "fallen out of favor". Technically, you are not to open the account for my guy.


Still Ser Davos did nothing to Aerion except for not realizing his son was up to treason. Also yes as we discussed it's impossible for you to retrieve the funds as the Iron Bank cannot break its word on how funds given to them are to be handled, withdrawn, and loaned in the details of the agreement made on how the Iron Bank can handle that coin unless it would like to see no one ever trust their coin to the Iron Bank again. A bank is only as trustworthy as it's word after all.

Also I mean, you can have that badass speech if you'd like, I doubt it'll take too long.

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Postby Givious » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:16 pm

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Givious wrote:
Ned drew his sword after Cersei tore up the final decree of King Robert, treason in itself and attempted to have a twelve year old boy crowned king before Robert was cold.

Aerion does have a brother, Aerys who is the Lord of Harrenhal and is Lunas' main character...



I will have a post up shortly of a person sent by Aerion to withdraw funds from the Bank. The account is passphrased by Tywin Lannister so only he can open it, however he will bear royal documents stating that Tywin has "fallen out of favor". Technically, you are not to open the account for my guy.


Still Ser Davos did nothing to Aerion except for not realizing his son was up to treason. Also yes as we discussed it's impossible for you to retrieve the funds as the Iron Bank cannot break its word on how funds given to them are to be handled, withdrawn, and loaned in the details of the agreement made on how the Iron Bank can handle that coin unless it would like to see no one ever trust their coin to the Iron Bank again. A bank is only as trustworthy as it's word after all.

Also I mean, you can have that badass speech if you'd like, I doubt it'll take too long.


Davos' only sin was his sigil. And the Iron bank CAN break its word, although unlikely.
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Postby Novae Vitae » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:23 pm

Je reviens.

Also, I stated that there were three parameters on which the money could be withdrawn from the Iron Bank. I recall two:
-that Tywin Lannister or any other person with the pass-phrase can access it
-upon the death of Tywin Lannister, the money returns to the Iron Throne in King's Landing (proof of death would be required)

The third was a precedent for superseding Tywin, but I don't know where the post is nor do I recall the precedent itself. Nevertheless, I recall it was rather complicated. Allow me to look.

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Postby Givious » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:25 pm

Novae Vitae wrote:Je reviens.

Also, I stated that there were three parameters on which the money could be withdrawn from the Iron Bank. I recall two:
-that Tywin Lannister or any other person with the pass-phrase can access it
-upon the death of Tywin Lannister, the money returns to the Iron Throne in King's Landing (proof of death would be required)

The third was a precedent for superseding Tywin, but I don't know where the post is nor do I recall the precedent itself. Nevertheless, I recall it was rather complicated. Allow me to look.


I had to get three members of the council
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Postby Givious » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:26 pm

Another reason for killing Davos Tula is that he is one of the few who know who was named heir. This helps muddle it up
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Postby Independent States of Tula » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:30 pm

Givious wrote:Another reason for killing Davos Tula is that he is one of the few who know who was named heir. This helps muddle it up


I still don't get why you're keeping it an OOC secret but I suppose I'll have to take the suspense.

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Postby Phalnia » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:31 pm

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Givious wrote:Another reason for killing Davos Tula is that he is one of the few who know who was named heir. This helps muddle it up


I still don't get why you're keeping it an OOC secret but I suppose I'll have to take the suspense.


Calling it now, it's Hot Pie.

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Postby Novae Vitae » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:32 pm

Givious wrote:
Novae Vitae wrote:Je reviens.

Also, I stated that there were three parameters on which the money could be withdrawn from the Iron Bank. I recall two:
-that Tywin Lannister or any other person with the pass-phrase can access it
-upon the death of Tywin Lannister, the money returns to the Iron Throne in King's Landing (proof of death would be required)

The third was a precedent for superseding Tywin, but I don't know where the post is nor do I recall the precedent itself. Nevertheless, I recall it was rather complicated. Allow me to look.


I had to get three members of the council


*dramatic finger snap* You beat me to it.

Yes, and signatory of the King (or, king de facto, who would unquestionably be Aerion in the eyes of the Iron Bank). Of course, it's still a tricky matter. Aerion is currently detained, he's arrested one of his council members, and three more have abandoned his council. I'll ask with seriousness now: do you have three council members? You undoubtedly have Oberyn, but Corlys Velaryon is just a filler character. And even if you had him, that's only two council members.

If you would like to, TG me and perhaps we can work out a final argument to the Iron Bank situation before we have another (healthily) roaring debate OOC.

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Givious wrote:Another reason for killing Davos Tula is that he is one of the few who know who was named heir. This helps muddle it up


I still don't get why you're keeping it an OOC secret but I suppose I'll have to take the suspense.


I would take a guess and say it's the same reason I haven't disclosed the pass-phrase. This way no one can claim that the walls have ears.

And Phalnia: :rofl:

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Postby Givious » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:46 pm

Phalnia wrote:
Independent States of Tula wrote:
I still don't get why you're keeping it an OOC secret but I suppose I'll have to take the suspense.


Calling it now, it's Hot Pie.


I TOLD YOU NOT TO TELL ANYONE!
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Postby Independent States of Tula » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:55 pm

Renly's response to what's going on coming up soon.

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