Midnight in Moscow, Mk. III(OOC/Applications) (OPEN)

[The New Lowlands]

Tbf to Duchy I don't think I've ever tried to play anything in WW1 or late 19th century RP if it isn't :1848: Germoney.

[Senkaku]

That sucks, poor Khmar. Well, in another lifetime

All is not yet lost! Investing in this kind of country usually pays off really well. You have a really strong position at the table of diplomacy, which could grant you some pretty bonuses. Ever considered creating a viceroyality of Indochina...

But for any European power, if they were investing what little cash they've managed to make back since the end of the war, it'd be most effective to turn Khmer into a colony and extract resources from it rather than investing, strengthening them to the point where they could cockblock European interests, and eventually move out of the sphere of influence of their benefactor.

Things could get better, but any European power investing in Khmer would do so in such a way as to make Khmer completely dependent on them. And given that Japan is rising and China may be starting to be resurgent, I don't think any of the war-weary, cash-strapped Europeans are gonna want to touch Khmer with an eleven-foot pole.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Tbf to Duchy I don't think I've ever tried to play anything in WW1 or late 19th century RP if it isn't :1848: Germoney.

1848 Germany, As in the Liberal Revolutionary Nationalists?

[Kryskov]

I think slow collapse, because AH ist ob too many different nationalities, and ye keep having different events pop up to lower your stability, which your current ruler does not have enough administrative power to fix

lol bettr quit and load an earlier save

But seriously, Austria had what we're calling Ruthenia, southern Poland, and part of Romania. wat happen?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I think slow collapse, because AH ist ob too many different nationalities, and ye keep having different events pop up to lower your stability, which your current ruler does not have enough administrative power to fix

lol bettr quit and load an earlier save

But seriously, Austria had what we're calling Ruthenia, southern Poland, and part of Romania. wat happen?

They didn't have it? in our timeline I dunno?

But really why would you be asking for more angry minorities that hate you?

[Kryskov]

They didn't have it? in our timeline I dunno?

But really why would you be asking for more angry minorities that hate you?

I mean I would just sell the land or mak satelite but I kinda want to know the whole background to that so I can talk about it later...

[The New Lowlands]

Tbf to Duchy I don't think I've ever tried to play anything in WW1 or late 19th century RP if it isn't :1848: Germoney.

1848 Germany, As in the Liberal Revolutionary Nationalists?

as in a Germany formed by them, yep

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

- Begin investment in German and British markets

Just noticed this.

#FeelingRelevant

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

- Begin investment in German and British markets

Just noticed this.

#FeelingRelevant

He should invest in some Asian markets as well....

JUST GIVE ME MY DAMN MONEY, DAMNIT!

[Fascist Republic Of Bermuda]

Just noticed this.

#FeelingRelevant

He should invest in some Asian markets as well....

JUST GIVE ME MY DAMN MONEY, DAMNIT!

If I know Rnclave well enough, then all "investment" will eventually lead to invasion and annexation by the USC. RUN. RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN.

[Epraria]

Is there still room for a White Italian resistance force?

They have essentially been crushed by the Italian Socialists considering the socialists have had 5 years to crush them.

[Alleniana]

No, slightly different shade.
However, pending my realisation about Silesia, and fixing yet another random dot, this time in Lorraine, newer map
http://i.imgur.com/LNAdmHH.png
edit: Neo, Krys, you ok with this? Poland has gotten another province of Russia and Germany has gained 2 provinces of Silesia and 2 provinces of Prussia, 3 from Poland and 1 from Austria, reason being that a retcon was agreed upon about Prussia because Poland owning Prussia is silly, and because Silesia was originally meant to be entirely German but I got it wrong and recommended the wrong provinces to Svet.

Germoney am steal polish clay D:

Yeah, it's fine by me, as long as I don't have to give up any more land.

No, not by retcon anyway.

To correct a lot of points, the only actual socialist nation is Italy. France is still in a civil war and who knows how long it will take for me to be able to conquer Algeria. Spain is neutral and then will face a civil war that'll push it back. With Colombia actually getting involved in European politics, the socialists will have very little influence and it's hardly balanced. Now on Germany, they should have a decently sized socialist-leaning people in it's nation due to being heavily industrialized and because they did IRL hence why it was rather liberal under Wilhelm to appease them. Not saying they should go completely socialist, but I don't think they should be super hard-line at the very least.

Well, I don't think France is going to be anything but socialist at the end of the Civil War, and Spain has clearly stated that they're socialist, even if they're not internationally inclined. Yes, Columbia getting involved is significant, but not significant enough to tip the balance against a handful of GPs and SPs, when it's projecting power across an ocean with no bases except a few SPs. Nobody in Europe can stand up to Germany; WWI established that, so unless we're going to go back on France, Italy and Spain, there's no way that a socialist Germany won't mean a socialist Europe.

And as for not being hardline, I thought that was already the case. It certainly is the case for Scandinavia, even intervening in Russia as it is.

Wait hold on, in this RP, why do I have less land than in 1914?

I think your Polish land was allocated to Poland by Germany (which formed Poland out of Russian, Austrian and German land but mostly Russian), your Transylvania was probably taken during the war which wasn't won as strongly, Galicia... broke off, maybe? Bosnia, the same. It's possible that some compromising for stability has already begun. You'd have to ask people more familiar with it though.

*quietly installs French gov't-in-exile in Elsatz*

ersatz government in elsatz jajajajaja

Oh, but this is no mere colonialist act! This is a whole new thing: economic imperialism! No need for troops, just Germans making huge amounts of money abroad. Now, how does that sound? Besides, it will mostly be a private initiative, so I don't know how much the government has to say...

Khmer is 2unstable4me, and the close collusion of state policy and private economic forces will still (for the duration of imperialist policies) remain a thing.

Incidentally, if anyone wants to do something with Papua New Guinea, I'm about to abandon it grant it independence after a long nation-building project.

Eh, I'd say wait for the proper postcolonial era.

Belize is a British Protectorate/Dominion so it is under my rule.



Agreed. I don't see how Columbia + UK vs. France, Germany, Russia, Italy, Spain, etc, etc. is really balance. XD
Especially considering that Britain is in no position of getting involved in wars for the next decade or so, so that just leaves Columbia against continental Europe. Not to add that Germany and Britain aren't really on friendly terms so there isn't much of a "bloc"

Russia is gonna be fascist/capitalist so it's UK+Germany+Colombia+Russia+Japan+China(?) vs. France(Civil War) + Italy + (Maybe Civil War Spain).

UK + Germany + Columbia + Russia (Civil War) + Japan + China vs France (Civil War) + Italy + Spain (Civil War)
Which is unbalanced towards the capitalists throughout the Americas and Asia, but fairly balanced in Europe
UK + Columbia + Russia (Civil War) + Japan + China vs France (Civil War) + Italy + Spain (Civil War) + Germany
Which is entirely unbalanced towards the socialists in Europe, and unbalanced towards the capitalists everywhere else. Only problem is that Europe is kind of the centre of the world.

Is there still room for a White Italian resistance force?

topkek

Less Bias before I even complete my App? Or how about just zero comments other then the availability? Jesus Christ

Just commenting on how you always seem to do fascist Italy, or something similar.

To be fair, a fascist Italy is very likely at this point, even without ICD. I can't imagine a nation as relatively conservative as Italy would have gone communist easily, when even France is having a civil war.

[Lunas Legion]

Urgh. When's Svet gonna post? I want the Civil War to end so then I can actually get involved with international diplomacy as someone. Don't know who though.

[Alleniana]

Urgh. When's Svet gonna post? I want the Civil War to end so then I can actually get involved with international diplomacy as someone. Don't know who though.

You're planning on continuing on in the Ukraine, was that it?

All is not yet lost! Investing in this kind of country usually pays off really well. You have a really strong position at the table of diplomacy, which could grant you some pretty bonuses. Ever considered creating a viceroyality of Indochina...

But for any European power, if they were investing what little cash they've managed to make back since the end of the war, it'd be most effective to turn Khmer into a colony and extract resources from it rather than investing, strengthening them to the point where they could cockblock European interests, and eventually move out of the sphere of influence of their benefactor.

Things could get better, but any European power investing in Khmer would do so in such a way as to make Khmer completely dependent on them. And given that Japan is rising and China may be starting to be resurgent, I don't think any of the war-weary, cash-strapped Europeans are gonna want to touch Khmer with an eleven-foot pole.

Mmm, Scandinavia would have been rich enough, but it's not interested in colonies.
edit: for Khmer, what state is it in? I understand its unstable and poor, but due to what? Rebels along ethnic, political, what lines?

[Lunas Legion]

Urgh. When's Svet gonna post? I want the Civil War to end so then I can actually get involved with international diplomacy as someone. Don't know who though.

You're planning on continuing on in the Ukraine, was that it?

I don't really have a plan. Ukraine was one option, Stalin and Voroshilov making a Causcausian Commune was another, Timoshenko leading a Union of Steppe Socialist Republics is a third.

[Alleniana]

You're planning on continuing on in the Ukraine, was that it?

I don't really have a plan. Ukraine was one option, Stalin and Voroshilov making a Causcausian Commune was another, Timoshenko leading a Union of Steppe Socialist Republics is a third.

Hmm. To be frank, as soon as Reds winning looks impossible, Scandinavia will start pulling out. We don't like the Reds, but we aren't exactly fond of the Whites either, and considering that Russia has no significant use as a buffer, we'll get to annexing/protectorating lands fairly soon.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Urgh. When's Svet gonna post? I want the Civil War to end so then I can actually get involved with international diplomacy as someone. Don't know who though.

You're planning on continuing on in the Ukraine, was that it?

But for any European power, if they were investing what little cash they've managed to make back since the end of the war, it'd be most effective to turn Khmer into a colony and extract resources from it rather than investing, strengthening them to the point where they could cockblock European interests, and eventually move out of the sphere of influence of their benefactor.

Things could get better, but any European power investing in Khmer would do so in such a way as to make Khmer completely dependent on them. And given that Japan is rising and China may be starting to be resurgent, I don't think any of the war-weary, cash-strapped Europeans are gonna want to touch Khmer with an eleven-foot pole.

Mmm, Scandinavia would have been rich enough, but it's not interested in colonies.
edit: for Khmer, what state is it in? I understand its unstable and poor, but due to what? Rebels along ethnic, political, what lines?

Mostly political lines. The different ethnicities don't matter as much, as Khmer is really the dominant force there. In the places where the ethnic minorities are, government rule doesn't even reach. We are talking Luddite rebels, communists, republicans, hard-line democrats, reactionaries, other leftists and perhaps some theocratic rebels. All hidden within the vast jungle. If I'm going to fight them effectively, I'll need government control (meaning weapons and supply routes) and a good education system in all the territories, and a good bureaucracy. The bureaucracy is copied from the French bureaucracy and the plans are good, but the government influence doesn't reach beyond the Cambodian shore and large cities, like Bangkok. So, that makes it all unstable, lack of government control. Nothing a good rifle can't fix, though. A good rifle and a good economy. So, with guns, rail roads and factories, I'll be in better shape.

[Lunas Legion]

I don't really have a plan. Ukraine was one option, Stalin and Voroshilov making a Causcausian Commune was another, Timoshenko leading a Union of Steppe Socialist Republics is a third.

Hmm. To be frank, as soon as Reds winning looks impossible, Scandinavia will start pulling out. We don't like the Reds, but we aren't exactly fond of the Whites either, and considering that Russia has no significant use as a buffer, we'll get to annexing/protectorating lands fairly soon.

You could start protectorating lands during the war. Just form a line across the Karelian Isthmus between the Baltic and White Sea and say everything north of this is Scandanavian clay.

Also, what's the objective of the Scandanavian Grand Fleet in the Baltic?

[Alleniana]

Hmm. To be frank, as soon as Reds winning looks impossible, Scandinavia will start pulling out. We don't like the Reds, but we aren't exactly fond of the Whites either, and considering that Russia has no significant use as a buffer, we'll get to annexing/protectorating lands fairly soon.

You could start protectorating lands during the war. Just form a line across the Karelian Isthmus between the Baltic and White Sea and say everything north of this is Scandanavian clay.

Also, what's the objective of the Scandanavian Grand Fleet in the Baltic?

My drafted post does just that, actually. Though, officially, it's not protectorating; it's granting "self determination", which will miraculously favour union with Scandinavia. I might also go for Ingria, though that'd be a far far cry.

The Grand Fleet is also going to be explained next post; it's blockading the Gulf of Finland and will be seeking British support in destroying the Red Fleet in battle.

[Senkaku]

edit: for Khmer, what state is it in? I understand its unstable and poor, but due to what? Rebels along ethnic, political, what lines?

It's becoming clear to me I should've reviewed GCCS's app more carefully and given him a clearer picture on what Khmer is.

Khmer has multiple rebellions, probably particularly in the Laotian and Thai regions, in addition to political turmoil, financial trouble, a weak economy, foreign powers circling like vultures (including, in all likelihood, agents of the FSR and Third Republic waiting to try and reclaim their old colony), and a generally weak and unsteady government.

Nothing a good rifle can't fix, though. A good rifle and a good economy. So, with guns, rail roads and factories, I'll be in better shape.

Well, marginally better (if you can buy them with your nonexistent money or convince a foreign power to just give them to you and not just take over). You'll still be basically the Iraq of the Far East- Vietnamese, Hmong, Khmer, Thai, all thrown together in a state with little authority and no respect or devotion from the people. It's lines on a map, not a cohesive nation.
I'll say it again: Khmer should be basically just struggling to survive, not industrializing and building stronk armies. The government has no money, a weak army, and you're resource-rich, so any European power you invite in is going to immediately recognize that it'd be better for them to just take over (which'd be pretty damn easy). You have a stronk Japan right nearby and an increasingly resurgent China, and loads of rebels and political dissidents. If Khmer doesn't go the same way my Ikh Mongol Uls went in New Imperialism 2, I will be slightly surprised, although there is a chance it could struggle onwards. But you've already had a palace coup in the first post, which is hardly promising. If you're playing Khmer, you're gonna need to be writing a lot of political intrigue stuff.

Assuming, of course, that no one invades you.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

UK + Germany + Columbia + Russia (Civil War) + Japan + China vs France (Civil War) + Italy + Spain (Civil War)
Which is unbalanced towards the capitalists throughout the Americas and Asia, but fairly balanced in Europe
UK + Columbia + Russia (Civil War) + Japan + China vs France (Civil War) + Italy + Spain (Civil War) + Germany
Which is entirely unbalanced towards the socialists in Europe, and unbalanced towards the capitalists everywhere else. Only problem is that Europe is kind of the centre of the world.

I think that Columbia should only be counted in that side though. European nations right now are in very bad shape to do anything. A little push and they tip into collapse.

[Lunas Legion]

UK + Germany + Columbia + Russia (Civil War) + Japan + China vs France (Civil War) + Italy + Spain (Civil War)
Which is unbalanced towards the capitalists throughout the Americas and Asia, but fairly balanced in Europe
UK + Columbia + Russia (Civil War) + Japan + China vs France (Civil War) + Italy + Spain (Civil War) + Germany
Which is entirely unbalanced towards the socialists in Europe, and unbalanced towards the capitalists everywhere else. Only problem is that Europe is kind of the centre of the world.

I think that Columbia should only be counted in that side though. European nations right now are in very bad shape to do anything. A little push and they tip into collapse.

The solution would be a socialist/communist/lefty GP in Asia, which means either China or Japan.

[Fortunagen]

Allen, what should be done with estonia

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

edit: for Khmer, what state is it in? I understand its unstable and poor, but due to what? Rebels along ethnic, political, what lines?

It's becoming clear to me I should've reviewed GCCS's app more carefully and given him a clearer picture on what Khmer is.

Khmer has multiple rebellions, probably particularly in the Laotian and Thai regions, in addition to political turmoil, financial trouble, a weak economy, foreign powers circling like vultures (including, in all likelihood, agents of the FSR and Third Republic waiting to try and reclaim their old colony), and a generally weak and unsteady government.

Nothing a good rifle can't fix, though. A good rifle and a good economy. So, with guns, rail roads and factories, I'll be in better shape.

Well, marginally better (if you can buy them with your nonexistent money or convince a foreign power to just give them to you and not just take over). You'll still be basically the Iraq of the Far East- Vietnamese, Hmong, Khmer, Thai, all thrown together in a state with little authority and no respect or devotion from the people. It's lines on a map, not a cohesive nation.
I'll say it again: Khmer should be basically just struggling to survive, not industrializing and building stronk armies. The government has no money, a weak army, and you're resource-rich, so any European power you invite in is going to immediately recognize that it'd be better for them to just take over (which'd be pretty damn easy). You have a stronk Japan right nearby and an increasingly resurgent China, and loads of rebels and political dissidents. If Khmer doesn't go the same way my Ikh Mongol Uls went in New Imperialism 2, I will be slightly surprised, although there is a chance it could struggle onwards. But you've already had a palace coup in the first post, which is hardly promising. If you're playing Khmer, you're gonna need to be writing a lot of political intrigue stuff.

Assuming, of course, that no one invades you.

Well, it wasn't exactly a coup, to give a clear picture. The heir to the throne basically made sure his father placed all the powers of the emperor on his shoulders, so that effective rule could take place. The emperor is dying, struck by disease. It isn't really a coup, more like early succession.

[Senkaku]

I think that Columbia should only be counted in that side though. European nations right now are in very bad shape to do anything. A little push and they tip into collapse.

The solution would be a socialist/communist/lefty GP in Asia, which means either China or Japan.

It doesn't actually need to be perfectly balanced, guys.

The actual World Wars were pretty unbalanced, if you think about it.